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Hideous
December 3rd, 2014, 04:15 PM
http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/us/2014/12/03/nr-no-indictment-eric-garner-nypd-chokehold-death.cnn.html

(quick heads up: it's tough to watch, and it's incredibly graphic)

New York (CNN) -- A grand jury in New York on Wednesday decided not to indict white police officer Daniel Pantaleo in the July choke hold death of Eric Garner, an unarmed black man, according to two law enforcement officials. During the fatal encounter July 17 Garner raised both hands in the air and told the officers not to touch him. Seconds later, a video shows an officer behind Garner grab him in a choke hold and pull him to the sidewalk, rolling him onto his stomach.

"I can't breathe! I can't breathe!" Garner said repeatedly, his cries muffled into the pavement.

The grand jury was made up of 14 white and nine nonwhite members.

The cause of Garner's death was "compression of neck (choke hold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police," the medical examiner's office has said. The death was ruled a homicide. The New York City Police Department prohibits choke holds.
Garner, 43, was pronounced dead that day. Police had suspected Garner of selling cigarettes illegally. The death led to demonstrations around the city and came weeks before the racially charged police shooting of unarmed teen Michael Brown in Ferguson, Missouri.

Ferguson and New York

In both Ferguson and New York, mostly African-American protesters took to the streets for weeks after both men died to decry police violence.
Demonstrators in New York have called the police response during Garner's arrest excessive and criminal, but during protests, the contact between police and demonstrators has been largely cordial.

"The NYPD appeared genuinely sympathetic to the marchers, giving everyone wide latitude to voice their frustrations," said photographer Joel Graham, who took pictures of a demonstration Upper Manhattan.

He found the demonstrators to be equally peaceful.

"This crowd was composed of good, well-meaning people who understood that peace was the only option and were adamant that things remain calm over Eric's death," he said.

Missing were the tear gas canisters, assault rifles, armored vehicles and the lootings and flying bottles that marred the St. Louis suburb in the wake of Brown's death. When the Missouri grand jury declined to charge Wilson, violence returned to Ferguson, as cars were set on fire.
On Monday, officials in Staten Island met with New York City Police Commissioner William Bratton to discuss the impending decision and the borough's preparedness for reaction to it.

read more at http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/03/justice/new-york-grand-jury-chokehold/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

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[Update]

Protests erupt in wake of chokehold death decision

VID: http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2014/12/05/pkg-soares-nyc-chokehold-global-reaction.cnn.html

Protesters are flooding the streets of New York and elsewhere -- chanting, blocking traffic and demanding change after the decision not to indict in the chokehold death of Eric Garner. Demonstrators staged a "die-in" in Brooklyn, New York, late Thursday. They lay in the middle of Atlantic Avenue. An eerie silence descended as the protesters, who had cardboard coffins, stopped chanting. The march was being led by three mothers, all of whom had lost a son to police. Protesters stopped other marchers from getting ahead of the women. They wanted them to walk in front.

"I'm so happy that people of all cultures, all ethnicities, came out to show their love and support, and basically we have to make a change because they're killing us off," a protester told CNN.

A part of the Brooklyn Bridge was closed. Protesters marched up Broadway, and police used pepper spray on the West Side Highway near Houston Street. The vast majority of the demonstrations were peaceful.

"What do we want? Justice! When do we want it? Now!" protesters shouted in New York's Foley Square.

They chanted Garner's final words: "I can't breathe!"

Garner, a black man, died in July after a white officer put him in a chokehold on Staten Island. The case cracked open a wider discussion around policing practices in communities of color.

"I'm out here because the system has failed us too many times," Courtney Wicker, a protester, told CNN affiliate NY1.

"It makes me feel like there's no justice."

Demonstrations also erupted in Boston, Washington, D.C. and Chicago, where they shut down one of the major roads downtown.

Robert Spriggs, 22, a young protester in Washington, told CNN: It feels like we're moving backwards, so if we have to march like it's the '60s, we will.

Earlier in Pittsburgh, protesters marched and lay down in the middle of a street.

"It's happening in every city, every town. It's happening here in Pittsburgh," Julia Johnson told CNN affiliate WPXI.
"Police are racially profiling people. They are harassing people," she said.
"There is just no accountability and no justice for the victims."

The demonstrations raise the question: If the way we police in America is wrong, as many suggest, then what's right?
That's the problem police and communities now face in the wake of three high-profile investigations that, collectively, have sparked a national conversation around changing the status quo. In Ferguson, Missouri, violence and chaos erupted after a different grand jury elected not to indict a white officer for killing a black teenager. A nearly two-year investigation by the Justice Department revealed a pattern of excessive force by police in Cleveland. And in New York, officials are still in the midst of grappling with what to do in the wake of Garner's death. His encounter with Officer Daniel Pantaleo was captured on video. Another video shows the dying man lying on the street for more than six minutes as officers calmly wait for an ambulance, showing no sign of urgency.

"Fundamental questions are being asked, and rightfully so, about how we respect peoples' rights -- how we reduce the use of force in the relationship between police and community, in each encounter between police and community -- how we get it right," New York Mayor Bill de Blasio said.

The mayor said: "This tragedy is raising a lot of tough questions. There's tremendous resolve here in this city to answer those questions, to get it right."

Feds launch civil right investigation

Pantaleo may not stand trial in Garner's death, but he's not off the hook. Attorney General Eric Holder said that the U.S. Justice Department will conduct an "exhaustive and fair" civil rights probe into the incident. The New York Police Department is taking a fresh look at the case as well, escalating its internal investigation of Garner's death by interviewing more officers. Even if it's not illegal, the city's police department patrol guide states its officers "will not use chokeholds," which it defines as any action pressuring the throat or windpipe.

"Whenever it becomes necessary to take a violent or resisting subject into custody, responding officers should utilize appropriate tactics in a coordinated effort to overcome resistance," the patrol guide says.

Once this investigation is finished, it's possible that a negotiated settlement will be reached or that there will be a department trial.

"If there's a finding of guilt, a decision will be made as to an appropriate penalty or discipline for that," said police Commissioner William Bratton, who would decide on the punishment.

read more at: http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/04/justice/new-york-grand-jury-chokehold/

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Do you think this would bring change? Or do you think it would make matters worse?

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[Update]

Al Sharpton & Eric Garner Family Press Conference On Grand Jury Decision

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Dec. 3, 2014

Al Sharpton, Eric Garner's mother and wife give a press conference on the Staten Island Grand Jury decision NOT to bring charges against NYPD Officer Daniel Pantaleo in the chokehold death of Mr. Garner.

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[Update]

Hundreds March as California Protests Continue
BERKELEY, Calif. — Dec 10, 2014, 12:09 AM ET

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Caption: Protesters make a break for the freeway to block it off in Oakland while demonstrating against grand jury decisions in Ferguson and New York, in Berkeley, Calif., on Tuesday, December 9, 2014.

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Hundreds of protesters angered at the killing of unarmed black men by white police officers marched through downtown Berkeley streets Tuesday night as protests continued in Northern California.

Protesters stopped at City Hall, where a city councilman addressed the crowd and said he will ask for an investigation into police response to the protests over the weekend, when the latest wave of protests started.

Bay Area Rapid Transit officials said the station in downtown Berkeley was closed as a precaution. A City Council meeting scheduled for Tuesday night was canceled after threats to disrupt it, said Berkeley Mayor Tom Bates.

Amtrak train service was suspended between the Oakland Coliseum station stop and Richmond because of the protest, officials said.

A California Highway Patrol official said 80 percent off its available staff would be deployed to monitor the protest in Berkeley after a crowd of about 1,500 blocked all lanes of Interstate 80 and blocked an Amtrak train Monday night.

The agency arrested 223 people Monday on suspicion of resisting arrest, obstructing police and other charges, said Ernie Sanchez, assistant chief of the CHP's Golden Gate Division. Berkeley police arrested another nine people.

Sanchez told the San Francisco Chronicle the agency will also ask the Alameda County district attorney's office to increase bails and charges.

Those arrested face bails of up to $50,000, and many remain in custody, he added.

A large group of demonstrators destroyed highway perimeter fencing, flooded lanes, and threw rocks and other objects at officers. It took about an hour and a half to clear the interstate, and no major injuries were reported, the CHP said.

A woman stuck in traffic went into labor during the protest, but fire crews were able to get her to a hospital, KPIX-TV reported.

"The CHP respects the public's right to gather and demonstrate, but it needs to be done in a safe manner," Sanchez said. "At this point, they've made their statement and we respect that. Now, we're asking them to stop."

Although many activists in other parts of the country have gone home, protests in Berkeley and Oakland are still active, reflecting the area's long history of protest dating to the 1960s.

read more at: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/protesters-block-highway-stop-train-california-27463439

CosmicNoodle
December 3rd, 2014, 04:45 PM
Wait wait wait....a police officer killed a citizen, accidentally, making this man slaughter, and gets away with it, not putting a downer on the police (I'm talking to you, thatcountrykid), but I wonder if the same would have happened if this was a civ...

MercenaryMarksman
December 3rd, 2014, 04:46 PM
The man killed himself. His record was longer than than a government regulation list and the cop did what had to be done. People need to stop the tribe mentality and come together no matter what race they are. The whole white cop, black man thing is getting out of control and it represents just how simple minded some people can be. If the white cop killed a white guy we'd get over it pretty damn fast. This crap needs to end and so does the "hands up don't shoot" bull shit. THE MAN ROBBED A STORE FOR GODS SAKE. P.s. I'm a black man writing this

Allbutanillusion
December 3rd, 2014, 10:46 PM
The man killed himself. His record was longer than than a government regulation list and the cop did what had to be done. People need to stop the tribe mentality and come together no matter what race they are. The whole white cop, black man thing is getting out of control and it represents just how simple minded some people can be. If the white cop killed a white guy we'd get over it pretty damn fast. This crap needs to end and so does the "hands up don't shoot" bull shit. THE MAN ROBBED A STORE FOR GODS SAKE. P.s. I'm a black man writing this



Good for you! Finally someone with intellect and common sense/logic. I am getting tired of all this PC race-baiting/anti white crap. Comply with what the cop asks you to do and the outcome will be different. Everyone jumps on the bandwagon..., because it has became fashionable and/or PC to express anti white bigoted attitudes in society today. Regardless of what really happened...regardless of the facts

In all fairness...what about this case? White teen killed by black cop in Alabama mirrors Ferguson (http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/nov/27/white-teen-gilbert-collar-killed-by-black-cop-trev/)

the case has received little attention outside Alabama, prompting critics to accuse the national media of a “whiteout.”

Two years, and still only crickets.

there has been no rioting or sustained protest , No DOJ investigation, no presidential speeches, no speeches from anyone, even though the slightly built Collar, unlike Brown, never touched the officer and, because he was naked when he was shot, was more obviously unarmed.

Horatio Nelson
December 3rd, 2014, 11:37 PM
It's stupid. The guy had been arrested something like 30 times prior, He was no angel.

The choke hold may have been a bit much, but the guy was resisting arrest. Why couldn't he just comply?

Lovelife090994
December 4th, 2014, 12:08 AM
Wait wait wait....a police officer killed a citizen, accidentally, making this man slaughter, and gets away with it, not putting a downer on the police (I'm talking to you, thatcountrykid), but I wonder if the same would have happened if this was a civ...

Police get away with everything in America. Ferguson, the Zimmerman case, the 12 year shot dead, this, no one believes police can be charged or should be. Plus few in America agree that Blacks are seen differently under the law. But who wants to admit it? No one.

fairmaiden
December 4th, 2014, 02:29 AM
I'm not aware of all of the facts; but from my understanding, all of the crimes that Eric Garner had been convicted of prior to his death were petty and non-violent. I personally think that this police officer should have been charged. Not even based on the fact that this could have been a race crime, but the fact that he's killed a guy for trying to sell loose cigarettes to make ends meet. Loose cigarettes. This was caught on video; unlike the Mike Brown case.

Eric Garner had 6 kids and now they're going to be fatherless thanks to some wacko using an illegal choke-hold to restrain this guy. The coroner ruled it as homicide, so why was the police officer not charged?

Edit; Also, why couldn't they have had 11/12 white people and 11/12 minorities?

Vlerchan
December 4th, 2014, 03:43 AM
Chokeholds are an illegal tactic according to the NYPD. So he should be getting done for that at the least. But then I also believe the use of force beyond this was excessive: the police were unnecessarily forceful and Garner gave a clear indication he was in distress when he claimed he couldn't breath 9 whole times, which should have been a hint to stop. A medical examiner rightly declared the killing a "homicide".

I also agree with Cosmic Noodle. Until police officers are held to the same laws as civilians there really can be no justice.

Referring to the rest of the above: Regardless of how long the mans criminal record is this doesn't justify police officers dishing out yet another street-side execution. I think that's the most worrying aspect of this. It's a rather dangerous trend we're seeing here - and too many people seem intent to legitimise it.

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It's also hilarious how we've the anti-PC crowd jumping straight-off to discuss race here.

thatcountrykid
December 4th, 2014, 07:08 PM
Police get away with everything in America. Ferguson, the Zimmerman case, the 12 year shot dead, this, no one believes police can be charged or should be. Plus few in America agree that Blacks are seen differently under the law. But who wants to admit it? No one.

First of all Zimmerman wasn't even a cop.

Second of all the other cases were reviewed by grand jury and found to be justified. Opinions of the public have no sway cause it was found right by that law.

Lovelife090994
December 4th, 2014, 07:20 PM
First of all Zimmerman wasn't even a cop.

Second of all the other cases were reviewed by grand jury and found to be justified. Opinions of the public have no sway cause it was found right by that law.



The law also used to say slavery was right and that gays shouldn't marry. Does that make it right? The law does not deem what is and isn't right. It does not have the final say. Law comes at the consent of the governed not solely by the government.

thatcountrykid
December 4th, 2014, 07:22 PM
The law also used to say slavery was right and that gays shouldn't marry. Does that make it right? The law does not deem what is and isn't right. It does not have the final say. Law comes at the consent of the governed not solely by the government.

It is the final say. Ree hear of double jeopardy. Morales and opinions have no place in th court room. It goes by evidence and law.

Lovelife090994
December 4th, 2014, 07:55 PM
It is the final say. Ree hear of double jeopardy. Morales and opinions have no place in th court room. It goes by evidence and law.

So you blindly agree? Forget it. That went over your head.

Captain Canada
December 4th, 2014, 08:29 PM
Well, it's understandable that police use force to detain suspects or criminals, but continuing to use force after he was detained was unnceessary and caused an unfortunate death. But I guess like Danny said, in the end morals and humane opinions don't matter because it's up to the Grand Jury to decide if the case would go to court or not. In this instance, it was decided there wasn't enough evidence for it to go to court.

dirtyboxer55
December 4th, 2014, 09:54 PM
So you blindly agree? Forget it. That went over your head.

living a life of luxury from birth makes people take a lot of things for granted. you are a good example of this. youre welcome to leave anytime you like and go to an actual police state like north korea, where police really do get away with everything. sure we have a few cases that are blown up by the media to start race wars, but do you see your average everyday cops walking around beating people? how much police brutality have you witnessed? im sure i could google police who have been arrested for a certain crime and come up with a list much longer than this list of cops who 'got away with it'.

Captain Canada
December 4th, 2014, 11:28 PM
living a life of luxury from birth makes people take a lot of things for granted. you are a good example of this.
How so? Because she disagrees with someone about them following whatever the grand jury (or authority) decides and "not thinking for them self" to a sense? (No offense Danny).

im sure i could google police who have been arrested for a certain crime and come up with a list much longer than this list of cops who 'got away with it'.
And all those cops who were punished for doing crime have something to do with now? Of course people see it as a racial issue because it's an African American male being harassed and arrested by a Caucasian police officer. In this case, the guy was a larger man and the cop used force to detain him. This resulted in the mans death and the non punishment of the officer and so in this case, all those cops who were punished don't matter. I'm not saying he should or shouldn't be punished, I'm saying that your point is useless because what do those cops who were punished have to do with the one that wasn't punished?

Lovelife090994
December 5th, 2014, 01:55 AM
living a life of luxury from birth makes people take a lot of things for granted. you are a good example of this. youre welcome to leave anytime you like and go to an actual police state like north korea, where police really do get away with everything. sure we have a few cases that are blown up by the media to start race wars, but do you see your average everyday cops walking around beating people? how much police brutality have you witnessed? im sure i could google police who have been arrested for a certain crime and come up with a list much longer than this list of cops who 'got away with it'.

You don't know me at all do you? YOU HAVE NO IDEA. I am far from in a life of luxury, and cops are not saints. Cops actually do and have beat people on the streets but no one addresses it enough. Race wars? Race wars are already here, they never left in the 60s. The trick is telling yourself the Civil Rights Movement is over, it's already here and has been here since the 1700s. A jury may have the final say in the books, they do not have the final say in history. History always finds the truth.

Vlerchan
December 5th, 2014, 03:08 AM
Second of all the other cases were reviewed by grand jury and found to be justified. Opinions of the public have no sway cause it was found right by that law.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_authority

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[L]iving a life of luxury from birth makes people take a lot of things for granted. you are a good example of this. youre welcome to leave anytime you like and go to an actual police state like north korea, where police really do get away with everything.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

phuckphace
December 5th, 2014, 03:27 AM
SIR YOU ARE CHARGED WITH 20 COUNTS OF FELONY TOBACCO-MONGERING, PLEASE PUT YOUR HANDS BEHIND YOUR HEAD

SIR I'M GONNA NEED YOU TO DROP THE NEWPORTS AND RAISE YOUR HANDS SLOWLY

I suspect that had Garner not been an asthmatic the chokehold wouldn't have killed him, but it was still ridiculous to physically restrain someone especially in a chokehold for the heinous crime of hawking smokes on the corner

fairmaiden
December 5th, 2014, 10:19 AM
living a life of luxury from birth makes people take a lot of things for granted. you are a good example of this. youre welcome to leave anytime you like and go to an actual police state like north korea, where police really do get away with everything. sure we have a few cases that are blown up by the media to start race wars, but do you see your average everyday cops walking around beating people? how much police brutality have you witnessed? im sure i could google police who have been arrested for a certain crime and come up with a list much longer than this list of cops who 'got away with it'.

''blown up by the media'' You think that Eric Garner's death was justified? Of course there are higher rates of police brutality elsewhere, but one death in such a horrific way is totally unacceptable. He died in pain. No-one should ever have to die in pain, and the fact that you're trying to justify his death because you think it wasn't as brutal as what they'd do in North Korea, is sick.

Whatever motivated the police officer to hold Eric Garner down, whether it was his race or not, he had absolutely no right to use an illegal chokehold to restrain the man. Eric Garner wasn't threatening anybody. He wasn't a danger to society. He cried out 'I can't breath' numerous times, but no-one even stopped restraining him?

The video makes me upset to the point of crying. Watching a man being killed on camera, by a police officer of all people, is absolutely horrifying and I have no idea why this police officer wasn't charged.

The coroner ruled it as homicide. Isn't there a possibility of the jury members being swayed? Because to me something doesn't seem right.
I have no idea how even one member of the jury could disagree that the chokehold caused/contributed to his death. Yes Eric was asthmatic, but didn't anyone see the bulging on the police officers arm?

Correct me if I'm wrong, but if he had been convicted of cigarette selling a few times (or whatever petty crime it was) wouldn't they have had his medical history, or known he was asthmatic?

dirtyboxer55
December 5th, 2014, 05:39 PM
You don't know me at all do you? YOU HAVE NO IDEA. I am far from in a life of luxury, and cops are not saints. Cops actually do and have beat people on the streets but no one addresses it enough. Race wars? Race wars are already here, they never left in the 60s. The trick is telling yourself the Civil Rights Movement is over, it's already here and has been here since the 1700s. A jury may have the final say in the books, they do not have the final say in history. History always finds the truth.
have you or anyone you know personally ever been a victim of police brutality
there are good cops and bad cops, but there are far more good than bad.


''blown up by the media'' You think that Eric Garner's death was justified?

no. but people die in unfairly and unjustly every day (and even sometimes by authority more often than you think so dont say its because the guys a cop) so what makes this case special
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Lovelife090994
December 5th, 2014, 05:50 PM
have you or anyone you know personally ever been a victim of police brutality
there are good cops and bad cops, but there are far more good than bad.



no. but people die in unfairly and unjustly every day (and even sometimes by authority more often than you think so dont say its because the guys a cop) so what makes this case special
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So you just ignore the bad cops and let them go for "doing their job?" Doing your job is not the same as killing any man you cross.

Vlerchan
December 5th, 2014, 05:51 PM
no. but people die in unfairly and unjustly every day
Whataboutism.

so what makes this case special
Whataboutism continued.

dirtyboxer55
December 5th, 2014, 07:45 PM
So you just ignore the bad cops and let them go for "doing their job?" Doing your job is not the same as killing any man you cross.[/QUOTE]

am i saying that? no, im saying shit happens, dont let this string of occurences taint your mind into thinking that all cops are out to get people and that the law is corrupt.

phuckphace
December 5th, 2014, 08:43 PM
It feels like we're moving backwards, so if we have to march like it's the '60s, we will.

:lol3: you wanted "rights" so badly and now you have them. so tell me folks, how are those rights working out? not so useful without community, are they? you had a community at some point but it seems to have quietly dissolved while you were chummin' it with the opportunistic Marxists. better luck next time!

fairmaiden
December 5th, 2014, 10:00 PM
have you or anyone you know personally ever been a victim of police brutality
there are good cops and bad cops, but there are far more good than bad.



no. but people die in unfairly and unjustly every day (and even sometimes by authority more often than you think so dont say its because the guys a cop) so what makes this case special

Right, so in your opinion, if someone dies in a horrific and painful way; it's alright because it happens to plenty of different people? Of course the world isn't going to be alerted to every single unjustified death. However, we were alerted to Eric Garner's death, and we have a right to defend his honour from malicious people.

I think it's very wrong of you to try and turn this into a trivial matter. A man has been died in a painful and unhumane way and you're trying to come up with some ridiculous logic to refute this?

Also, why are you trying to quiz Lovelife090994 on his personal life? Lovelife090994 doesn't need to have been a victim of police brutality in order to know what's wrong and right. Even if he was, his personal life hasn't got anything to do with his opinion on the matter.

Lovelife090994
December 5th, 2014, 10:13 PM
So you just ignore the bad cops and let them go for "doing their job?" Doing your job is not the same as killing any man you cross.

am i saying that? no, im saying shit happens, dont let this string of occurences taint your mind into thinking that all cops are out to get people and that the law is corrupt.[/QUOTE]

Shit happens? Oh so we should ignore this because "shit happens?" Ha! Please do not become an educator, police officer, or military serviceman with thoughts like that. "I was captured by terrorists and finally clawed my way out after two years." that is not a "shit happens" event! This is not a "shit happens" event! If we have to march like in the 60s it will happen. Why quiz me? Does it matter what I've done? As a Black male I can attest that people do look at you differently and follow you in stores looking at your every move.

dirtyboxer55
December 5th, 2014, 10:54 PM
Right, so in your opinion, if someone dies in a horrific and painful way; it's alright because it happens to plenty of different people?

facepalm


Also, why are you trying to quiz Lovelife090994 on his personal life? Lovelife090994 doesn't need to have been a victim of police brutality in order to know what's wrong and right. Even if he was, his personal life hasn't got anything to do with his opinion on the matter.
his demeanor is that most cops are bad and evil, based on the cases that have come up recently. to try and get him to look at it from a different angle i asked how many police officers he had seen roughing up people in person, because there is a large ratio of good to bad cops

am i saying that? no, im saying shit happens, dont let this string of occurences taint your mind into thinking that all cops are out to get people and that the law is corrupt.

Shit happens? Oh so we should ignore this because "shit happens?" Ha! Please do not become an educator, police officer, or military serviceman with thoughts like that. "I was captured by terrorists and finally clawed my way out after two years." that is not a "shit happens" event! This is not a "shit happens" event! If we have to march like in the 60s it will happen. Why quiz me? Does it matter what I've done? As a Black male I can attest that people do look at you differently and follow you in stores looking at your every move.
why are you talking about being captured by terrorists. and you realize that when those kinds of stories do happen they are given moderate media attention, because they are really rare. cops killing someone with an illegal choke (that specific choke is responsible for a lot of accidental murders by cops every year if you didnt know) happens more often than youd think. the only reason this story got big was to fuel the fire started by the events in ferguson

fairmaiden
December 5th, 2014, 11:30 PM
facepalm


You can't even answer my first question so you decide to put 'facepalm'. Your logic is severely flawed. Whoever mentioned 'whataboutism' on the first page of this thread was absolutely correct.

I'm having trouble trying to reply to you as you are actually making my stomach churn.

You keep trying to answer my question with a 'but shit happens' 'happens to other people too'.

The damn point is; it shouldn't have even happened in the first place. None of this 'happens to loads of people'. Shouldn't have even happened.

Your attitude towards certain matters needs to change drastically, because to be frank you're behaving like a child. It's like you're blind to such obvious issues and you're trying to cover them up. What do you get out of trying to make out as if this man's life didn't matter? And like it was just another death for your police brutality statistics?

Every single freaking life matters.

Lovelife090994
December 6th, 2014, 01:31 PM
facepalm


his demeanor is that most cops are bad and evil, based on the cases that have come up recently. to try and get him to look at it from a different angle i asked how many police officers he had seen roughing up people in person, because there is a large ratio of good to bad cops


why are you talking about being captured by terrorists. and you realize that when those kinds of stories do happen they are given moderate media attention, because they are really rare. cops killing someone with an illegal choke (that specific choke is responsible for a lot of accidental murders by cops every year if you didnt know) happens more often than youd think. the only reason this story got big was to fuel the fire started by the events in ferguson

You're not listening or comprehending me. All life matters. The man should never have been killed.

fairmaiden
December 6th, 2014, 09:57 PM
You're not listening or comprehending me. All life matters. The man should never have been killed.
I completely agree with you.

Lovelife090994
December 6th, 2014, 10:35 PM
I completely agree with you.

Yeah but I wish he'd/ she'd see that saying shit happens to death is a little insensitive.

fairmaiden
December 7th, 2014, 04:21 PM
Yeah but I wish he'd/ she'd see that saying shit happens to death is a little insensitive.
Exactly, it's totally inappropriate to say something like that about someone dying. I think he's a troll anyway.

Hideous
December 10th, 2014, 08:02 AM
[Update]

Hundreds March as California Protests Continue
BERKELEY, Calif. — Dec 10, 2014, 12:09 AM ET

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Caption: Protesters make a break for the freeway to block it off in Oakland while demonstrating against grand jury decisions in Ferguson and New York, in Berkeley, Calif., on Tuesday, December 9, 2014.

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Hundreds of protesters angered at the killing of unarmed black men by white police officers marched through downtown Berkeley streets Tuesday night as protests continued in Northern California.

Protesters stopped at City Hall, where a city councilman addressed the crowd and said he will ask for an investigation into police response to the protests over the weekend, when the latest wave of protests started.

Bay Area Rapid Transit officials said the station in downtown Berkeley was closed as a precaution. A City Council meeting scheduled for Tuesday night was canceled after threats to disrupt it, said Berkeley Mayor Tom Bates.

Amtrak train service was suspended between the Oakland Coliseum station stop and Richmond because of the protest, officials said.

A California Highway Patrol official said 80 percent off its available staff would be deployed to monitor the protest in Berkeley after a crowd of about 1,500 blocked all lanes of Interstate 80 and blocked an Amtrak train Monday night.

The agency arrested 223 people Monday on suspicion of resisting arrest, obstructing police and other charges, said Ernie Sanchez, assistant chief of the CHP's Golden Gate Division. Berkeley police arrested another nine people.

Sanchez told the San Francisco Chronicle the agency will also ask the Alameda County district attorney's office to increase bails and charges.

Those arrested face bails of up to $50,000, and many remain in custody, he added.

A large group of demonstrators destroyed highway perimeter fencing, flooded lanes, and threw rocks and other objects at officers. It took about an hour and a half to clear the interstate, and no major injuries were reported, the CHP said.

A woman stuck in traffic went into labor during the protest, but fire crews were able to get her to a hospital, KPIX-TV reported.

"The CHP respects the public's right to gather and demonstrate, but it needs to be done in a safe manner," Sanchez said. "At this point, they've made their statement and we respect that. Now, we're asking them to stop."

Although many activists in other parts of the country have gone home, protests in Berkeley and Oakland are still active, reflecting the area's long history of protest dating to the 1960s.

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Cognizant
December 10th, 2014, 03:45 PM
[Update]

Hundreds March as California Protests Continue
BERKELEY, Calif. — Dec 10, 2014, 12:09 AM ET

image (http://blog.sfgate.com/stew/wp-content/blogs.dir/2290/files/east-bay-protests-dec-9/14_12_9_protests1210_1854.jpg)
Caption: Protesters make a break for the freeway to block it off in Oakland while demonstrating against grand jury decisions in Ferguson and New York, in Berkeley, Calif., on Tuesday, December 9, 2014.

image (http://blog.sfgate.com/stew/wp-content/blogs.dir/2290/files/east-bay-protests-dec-9/14_12_9_protests1210_2010.jpg)

image (http://blog.sfgate.com/stew/wp-content/blogs.dir/2290/files/east-bay-protests-dec-9/14_12_9_protests1210_2145.jpg)



read more at: http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/protesters-block-highway-stop-train-california-27463439
I'm sorry, but I feel that this is getting out of hand. I'm all for peaceful protesting but damaging others property and blocking commuters from going home to their families will not help get public support for the cause.
I bet if the situation was flipped on them and it was the protesters businesses getting destroyed and it was them who were stuck for an hour and a half idling on I-80 that they would also be annoyed.....