Why do you care if I'm dead?

[averygamerdude]

I'm so confused right now. Everyone is telling me not to die, because there are people who "care" about me, or something stupid like that. What have I done for them? Nothing. All I do is cost them hundreds of dollars each year on essentials that they could be using for themselves. So why do they care if I lie dead on the ground? It's not like I have a bright future, or able to do anything useful. All I wanna actually do isn't at all useful, or very safe. I can't or want to do anything for society, so there's no point.

[Karkat]

To be honest, you could say the same applies to most people. I'm probably a bigger waste of space than you are, truth be told.

However, I'm somewhat of an existential nihilist- I believe there's not really that much of a fuckin' point to die just as much as there's not much of one to live.

So you make your own point. You find your own purpose. No one is going to give you one. And if you stubbornly choose to see life as pointless, well, by all means, I guess.

But death impacts others. I guess sometimes it takes loss to know loss. Really, that's all I can tell you.

[CrazyPerson101]

I'm so confused right now. Everyone is telling me not to die, because there are people who "care" about me, or something stupid like that. What have I done for them? Nothing. All I do is cost them hundreds of dollars each year on essentials that they could be using for themselves. So why do they care if I lie dead on the ground? It's not like I have a bright future, or able to do anything useful. All I wanna actually do isn't at all useful, or very safe. I can't or want to do anything for society, so there's no point.

If you where to die right now, your friends & family would be so sad, you never truly know what you have untill its not there ( It being a person, place or thing ). The world would suck even more if you weren't here on it, I maynot personally know you but you impact anyone and everyone's life in some way. Life is a precious thing, you only get it once, you can easily lose it that gift, you need to use it to its fullest, you can do so much with your life ( or anyone for that matter ) and death brings that gift to an end. It's heart breaking out living your children, your parents would be so sad, your friends would be extremely sad as well. Things may look seem like absolute shit, scum of the earth crap but things will pull through, you've just got to truck right on through.

[CharlieHorse]

I'm sort of feeling the same way. I don't really like the fact that people want me to live because I mean something to them. It's sort of selfish.

[James Dean]

You don't know that for sure. Love is unconditional many times. That's an easy excuse for a permanent decision. "they don't love me", "they don't care", "nobody knows I exist". That's a dismissive statement in which you don't know the whole picture to. Don't have a defeatist attitude like that. Try to see what life has in store for you. Find out what the whole picture is. Don't give up like that. Live for yourself and tell your story to the world. :)

[DeadEyes]

People will get attached to you no matter what, family, friends and lovers will grow affection for you and will miss you when you are gone, call them silly for having a soft spot for you all you want, that won't make them stop anyway. So of course you will hurt them if you commit suicide, don't ever doubt that.

[averygamerdude]

I'm sort of feeling the same way. I don't really like the fact that people want me to live because I mean something to them. It's sort of selfish.

THANK YOU!!! :metal:

[SethfromMI]

because you are a human being who is extremely valuable. I may not know you personally, but doesn't mean your life is not special, important, or valuable. I do know there would be many people who are close to you who would be devastated if something were to happen to you

[DeadEyes]

I don't really like the fact that people want me to live because I mean something to them. It's sort of selfish.

Alright, I didn't want to reply to this because I'm going to be extremely negative but I couldn't agree more, it's my life and if I'm fed up suffering it I couldn't care less if you love me, if you do love me then you should just let me go and not care only about the void it will leave in your life, people come and go, deal with it.

[Renata_cmp]

People stops you from doing that because they know it's not your life you wanna end, it's your suffering, but you're too young to understand that. With that said, even if it's selfish for the people that cares about you, don't you care enough about them to not let them go through this much pain and suffering? I lost a member of my family and it takes MUCH more to recover from than just saying "Deal with it!"

[DeadEyes]

People stops you from doing that because they know it's not your life you wanna end, it's your suffering, but you're too young to understand that.

You wouldn't believe how much maturity I acquired, it makes me choke laughing whenever people dare say I'm too young, or still young.
Suffering is a part of life, and some are having a life involving more suffering than others, that's what YOU don't understand.

[Renata_cmp]

Don't start acting like i have a happy and pain-free life, you don't know me. Soo since suffering is a part of life, it's not legit at all to end it because you're suffering, don't you think?

[DeadEyes]

Soo since suffering is a part of life, it's not legit at all to end it because you're suffering, don't you think?

You're contradicting yourself, if suffering is a part of life, it's legit to end your life to end the suffering then.

I lost a member of my family and it takes MUCH more to recover from than just saying "Deal with it!"

It could be a loss due to a suicide, a disease or an accident, it doesn't matter, death is a part of life and you will loose members of your family, you got to deal with it.

[CharlieHorse]

In all honesty, suicidal ideaology is irrational thought which can be helped so that the individual can enjoy living. In most cases, suicide survivors wish they never tried, because they realize that there was a lot more to live for than they could see at that time.

[DeadEyes]

In all honesty, suicidal ideaology is irrational thought which can be helped so that the individual can enjoy living.

I'm being completely rational, I never enjoyed living and never will. I'm not sad, I despise life with every fibers of my being, that's just a fact. Now, I'm not saying some people can't be helped and just won't get better, so you should be trying as hard as you can, but there's just a point where it's ridiculous to keep trying.

[Renata_cmp]

I find your opinion not only extremely close-minded but plain dangerous. There is nothing more uncertain than the future, you have absolutely NO way to know you'll never enjoy life or being happy. Im not gonna try any further with you dude, you're not the subject of this topic, but still, everything, good or bad can happen at any time.

[averygamerdude]

because you are a human being who is extremely valuable. I may not know you personally, but doesn't mean your life is not special, important, or valuable. I do know there would be many people who are close to you who would be devastated if something were to happen to you

Me? Valuable? Are you joking? I'm not even worth 1 cent! And everyone's just being a big baby about me dying. My life is just too much of a burden.

I find your opinion not only extremely close-minded but plain dangerous. There is nothing more uncertain than the future, you have absolutely NO way to know you'll never enjoy life or being happy. Im not gonna try any further with you dude, you're not the subject of this topic, but still, everything, good or bad can happen at any time.

Look, it doesn't matter if life gets better. It's not gonna change the fact that I've wasted way too much time on things that don't matter.

In all honesty, suicidal ideaology is irrational thought which can be helped so that the individual can enjoy living. In most cases, suicide survivors wish they never tried, because they realize that there was a lot more to live for than they could see at that time.

Suicide is irrational? That's funny. But I'm not gonna wish I never tried, because death is the only way to be responsibility-free. Besides, I wish my mom had me aborted.

People stops you from doing that because they know it's not your life you wanna end, it's your suffering, but you're too young to understand that. With that said, even if it's selfish for the people that cares about you, don't you care enough about them to not let them go through this much pain and suffering? I lost a member of my family and it takes MUCH more to recover from than just saying "Deal with it!"

Dying is the only to end my suffering.

Posts merged, next time please use the edit or multiquote button. ~Hannah

[Renata_cmp]

whatever you've done is never wasted, even if it didn't get you to do the things you want now, it's not useless. Even if you spent years doing things you regret now, the fact that you DO realise they were wasted then can mean you'll do anything to do the things you didn't do before. Anything can be inspirational or depressing, it's just a matter of perception, you don't deserve to die, there are a lot of horrible pieces of shit murderers in the world, don't you think you're less valuable than them? Right now you see the glass of water half-empty, but you can learn to see it half-full. I did it and i was at the bottom of the hill like you. If you accept some help you can do it too.

[SethfromMI]

Me? Valuable? Are you joking? I'm not even worth 1 cent! And everyone's just being a big baby about me dying. My life is just too much of a burden.

dude, you are more valuable than all of the money in the world. you can put a dollar amount on the worth of many things; a human being is not one of them. you can put a price on a car. on cattle. on a house, whatever. but humans are too special for that. you are too special for that. I know you may not be able to see it right now, but you are worth more than you will ever know

[MarsReid]

Let’s get straight into it. No one cares if you die. Think about that for a second. Imagine yourself being wiped out of existence. Who will give a damn? Let’s rule out the obvious. Your family and friends. And after that? Perhaps your school. Perhaps the grocer who lives down the street and doesn’t see you around anymore. If anyone on this Earth died right this second, how much of an impact would it really make? For the average person, it is minimal. Millions of people die every year. i don’t care. All we see is my own life. any distraction away from that is irellivant to me, live, die i dont care as long as your "death" doesnt change the way i actually "live" then pffft be negative and die*

[Leprous]

I'm so confused right now. Everyone is telling me not to die, because there are people who "care" about me, or something stupid like that. What have I done for them? Nothing. All I do is cost them hundreds of dollars each year on essentials that they could be using for themselves. So why do they care if I lie dead on the ground? It's not like I have a bright future, or able to do anything useful. All I wanna actually do isn't at all useful, or very safe. I can't or want to do anything for society, so there's no point.

People care because nobody deserves to die. Even if I don't know someone, I still care, I've been involved with suicide allot and trust me, it's no solution. Life does get better, aslong as we keep on going, I've been exactly where you've been, and not so long ago, I too thought dead would be the end, but no, that's not true, it never is.
Nobody deserves to die, and neither do you, if you wanna talk, feep free to contact me. All I can say is that you should never give up.

[chrisawesome]

Dying is the only to end my suffering.

That is just plain stupid. I'm serious, it's not my religion that tells me suicide is wrong it's just the plain truth. The only way to end your suffering is to change your life not end it. Killing yourself is basically letting others win over you. If you really dislike them then get THEM out YOUR LIFE. NOT you out there's. The question is not whether they need you. It's whether you need them. Just imagine what you could do for yourself if you broke away from them.
- I know how it feels to be in a state of depression and unimportance. Just happened to me a month ago. It started from nowhere. Now every day I have done something to make my life better. First thing was to let loose the doubters and haters. Please take my advice.

Btw. May I ask what it is you want to do as a job?

[rakz105]

Dying is the only to end my suffering.

Hi,
There is more to life... With some patience of gaining more years and experience, you will realize that some of these negative thinking are part of growing up, of going through pubescence. Once you have found your place in the world, once you have seen how important you are and how much you can help enrich other people's lives, life would not be all about suffering after all.
Hugs,
Rakz

[averygamerdude]

Hi,
There is more to life... With some patience of gaining more years and experience, you will realize that some of these negative thinking are part of growing up, of going through pubescence. Once you have found your place in the world, once you have seen how important you are and how much you can help enrich other people's lives, life would not be all about suffering after all.
Hugs,
Rakz

There are people who've felt this way for decades. Also, I'm positive it's not part of growing up, because all of my peers are as happy as can be! Also, I don't have a place in this world, or at least not anymore. And why should I enrich other peoples lives when they don't even try to enrich mine?

Sincerely, Avery

(P.S. There's a difference between negativity and realism.)

That is just plain stupid. I'm serious, it's not my religion that tells me suicide is wrong it's just the plain truth. The only way to end your suffering is to change your life not end it. Killing yourself is basically letting others win over you. If you really dislike them then get THEM out YOUR LIFE. NOT you out there's. The question is not whether they need you. It's whether you need them. Just imagine what you could do for yourself if you broke away from them.
- I know how it feels to be in a state of depression and unimportance. Just happened to me a month ago. It started from nowhere. Now every day I have done something to make my life better. First thing was to let loose the doubters and haters. Please take my advice.

Btw. May I ask what it is you want to do as a job?

Well, to begin with, I can't change my life. It'll take decades of hard labor, which I don't like. The only way I won't have to deal with decades of hard labor and a terrible life on top of that is if I'm dead. Next, I WOULD get them out of my life, but that results in life without parole or even death in my country. So if I can't kill them, I'm just gonna have to kill myself. Also, unless you can figure out a way to make life perfect without working, I'm afraid I'm gonna have no choice but to shoot myself.

Finally, I don't want a career anymore, because it's too much work. And I won't take your advice, because working is one of the reasons I want to die in the first place.

Posts merged, next time please use the edit or multiquote button. ~Hannah

whatever you've done is never wasted, even if it didn't get you to do the things you want now, it's not useless. Even if you spent years doing things you regret now, the fact that you DO realise they were wasted then can mean you'll do anything to do the things you didn't do before. Anything can be inspirational or depressing, it's just a matter of perception, you don't deserve to die, there are a lot of horrible pieces of shit murderers in the world, don't you think you're less valuable than them? Right now you see the glass of water half-empty, but you can learn to see it half-full. I did it and i was at the bottom of the hill like you. If you accept some help you can do it too.

Well, to start, it is indeed useless. All going to school and doing stupid chores around the house is doing is making me wish I was dead, because it's too much hard work. And I don't wanna spend 1 nano second on working, when I could be relaxing. Also, I can't do the things I didn't do, because I have to waste way too much time doing pointless BS. And as for me not deserving to die, I don't even know what I do and don't deserve, because I feel like a good person, but all that happens me is bad. Very, very bad! And about those horrible piece of shit murderers in the world, I'm pretty sure they've had those people killed for a good reason. Also, I'm worth less than them because at least they can actually DO something. I can't. Also, I don't see the glass as "half-empty" or "half-full". I see it as: "This glass is holding half of its maximum volume." I don't take things at a pessimistic perspective, I take things at a REALISTIC perspective. Also, I'm not gonna accept any "help", because those people are just trying to brainwash me into being a government slave. Which unlike everybody else, I don't want to happen. So that leaves me with little choice but to shoot myself.

Sincerely, Avery

[Karkat]

Well, to start, it is indeed useless. All going to school and doing stupid chores around the house is doing is making me wish I was dead, because it's too much hard work. And I don't wanna spend 1 nano second on working, when I could be relaxing. Also, I can't do the things I didn't do, because I have to waste way too much time doing pointless BS. And as for me not deserving to die, I don't even know what I do and don't deserve, because I feel like a good person, but all that happens me is bad. Very, very bad! And about those horrible piece of shit murderers in the world, I'm pretty sure they've had those people killed for a good reason. Also, I'm worth less than them because at least they can actually DO something. I can't. Also, I don't see the glass as "half-empty" or "half-full". I see it as: "This glass is holding half of its maximum volume." I don't take things at a pessimistic perspective, I take things at a REALISTIC perspective. Also, I'm not gonna accept any "help", because those people are just trying to brainwash me into being a government slave. Which unlike everybody else, I don't want to happen. So that leaves me with little choice but to shoot myself.

Sincerely, Avery

This is literally all rationalization. You're twisting reality to make sense to your needs. You're caught up in delusional paranoia, and of course things won't change when you're so heavily in denial of the fact that you have a problem.

Imo, you want there to be a problem, because like you said, you feel like you're a good person, but good things don't happen to you. You blame life and want to escape it because you're miserable and you don't know why.

And you post here, and argue with everyone here to try to solidify in your mind just how bad you have it. You try to pit the people helping you against you because you don't want help, you want self-reassurance that you deserve to die.

And you don't. And maybe the murderers have 'accomplished' more than you, but is what they've accomplished worth anything?

Now we could go nihilistic here and debate that nothing has any true worth- and I'd agree with you there, I feel worth is subjective- but did those murderers do anything of value to you? Not likely.

What IS of value to you? Obviously death is. Or so you think.

But why? Why is death valuable to you? Do you believe in an afterlife where things will be made better for you? (I'm not mocking you- this is a legitimate question.) It doesn't sound like you do, so I'll assume not. That means you just want to escape the pain and monotony in life, right? I know it's hard to see "nothingness" as being a bad thing when you're that apathetic, but it is, believe me. I mean, there is no bad in nothingness TECHNICALLY, but there is no good either. It just is.

And there isn't any turning back.

If you get to the point where you feel like you want to die, it means you are sick. Society may have suicidal ideation stigmatized, but it is no different than CANCER.

You are suffering from a deadly disease. You need medical treatment or you may die. Your brain is so warped from it that you are no longer thinking clearly. You need help.

If a family member, or a friend- someone you love- had cancer, would you just tell them to give up? If they had a chance of living, would you want them to accept treatment? What if they didn't want to because they were misinformed and scared?

What I think, is that you are misinformed and scared. And there's nothing wrong with that. But I've been where you are, and it's very close to the edge. Hang in there, please. I know you probably think no one cares about you, but you're wrong- even though I roll my eyes every time I read your messages, I am in fact glad you're still alive. Fwiw.

[averygamerdude]

This is literally all rationalization. You're twisting reality to make sense to your needs. You're caught up in delusional paranoia, and of course things won't change when you're so heavily in denial of the fact that you have a problem.

Imo, you want there to be a problem, because like you said, you feel like you're a good person, but good things don't happen to you. You blame life and want to escape it because you're miserable and you don't know why.

And you post here, and argue with everyone here to try to solidify in your mind just how bad you have it. You try to pit the people helping you against you because you don't want help, you want self-reassurance that you deserve to die.

And you don't. And maybe the murderers have 'accomplished' more than you, but is what they've accomplished worth anything?

Now we could go nihilistic here and debate that nothing has any true worth- and I'd agree with you there, I feel worth is subjective- but did those murderers do anything of value to you? Not likely.

What IS of value to you? Obviously death is. Or so you think.

But why? Why is death valuable to you? Do you believe in an afterlife where things will be made better for you? (I'm not mocking you- this is a legitimate question.) It doesn't sound like you do, so I'll assume not. That means you just want to escape the pain and monotony in life, right? I know it's hard to see "nothingness" as being a bad thing when you're that apathetic, but it is, believe me. I mean, there is no bad in nothingness TECHNICALLY, but there is no good either. It just is.

And there isn't any turning back.

If you get to the point where you feel like you want to die, it means you are sick. Society may have suicidal ideation stigmatized, but it is no different than CANCER.

You are suffering from a deadly disease. You need medical treatment or you may die. Your brain is so warped from it that you are no longer thinking clearly. You need help.

If a family member, or a friend- someone you love- had cancer, would you just tell them to give up? If they had a chance of living, would you want them to accept treatment? What if they didn't want to because they were misinformed and scared?

What I think, is that you are misinformed and scared. And there's nothing wrong with that. But I've been where you are, and it's very close to the edge. Hang in there, please. I know you probably think no one cares about you, but you're wrong- even though I roll my eyes every time I read your messages, I am in fact glad you're still alive. Fwiw.

Hey, sorry I didn't reply in a while.

Well, first, I do have a problem. A problem with BEING IN PAIN!! I don't want there to be any problems, but unfortunately, my problems can't be fixed. I don't necessarily blame life, I just blame the people that make my life miserable. And to be honest, I'm just so hopeless and sad at this point that I don't even know what I do and don't deserve anymore. I just want people to stop being sadists, because if I'm still alive, things are just going to get worse! Also, what the murderers have accomplished is a vital necessity during war. And sure, those murderers didn't do anything of value for ME, but I'm downright useless myself.

Second, you're right, I don't believe in an afterlife, or at least HOPE there isn't one, because when I die, I just wanna stay dead. Also, you're right about wanting to escape the pain and monotony in life, because that's all that happens in my life. Also, what nothingness? There is no "nothingness" when you die, you're just dead. At least I hope it's that way... Also, I don't care if nothing good happens when I'm dead, because nothing good happens when I'm alive, and as long as nothing bad happens, then it's better than living.

And why would I turn back when I've worked so hard to be dead?

Third, I'm not "sick" or suffering from a "disease". I just have a bad life and have no choice but to kill myself. Having an untolerable life and wanting to be dead is as much of a disease as homosexuality. Also, I am thinking clearly. The only way I can not tolerate my impossible issues is by being dead. And getting help will only make things worse.

If someone I love had cancer and they could cure it, but could choose not to, that would be their decision. If they don't want to live, then that's their choice. I'm not gonna be a cruel sadist and force them to live a life of unbearable awfulness.

Also, I'm not scared. It's not like I'm in a horror movie right now. I can't hang on anymore, I'm sick of all this effing bull. And I know that people care about me, and that's a problem, because it's gonna make suicide a lot more difficult. And I'm a little surprised that you "like" me, because I thought that you thought I was an annoying doofus.

Sincerely, Avery.

[Karkat]

Hey, sorry I didn't reply in a while.

Well, first, I do have a problem. A problem with BEING IN PAIN!! I don't want there to be any problems, but unfortunately, my problems can't be fixed. I don't necessarily blame life, I just blame the people that make my life miserable. And to be honest, I'm just so hopeless and sad at this point that I don't even know what I do and don't deserve anymore. I just want people to stop being sadists, because if I'm still alive, things are just going to get worse! Also, what the murderers have accomplished is a vital necessity during war. And sure, those murderers didn't do anything of value for ME, but I'm downright useless myself.

Second, you're right, I don't believe in an afterlife, or at least HOPE there isn't one, because when I die, I just wanna stay dead. Also, you're right about wanting to escape the pain and monotony in life, because that's all that happens in my life. Also, what nothingness? There is no "nothingness" when you die, you're just dead. At least I hope it's that way... Also, I don't care if nothing good happens when I'm dead, because nothing good happens when I'm alive, and as long as nothing bad happens, then it's better than living.

And why would I turn back when I've worked so hard to be dead?

Third, I'm not "sick" or suffering from a "disease". I just have a bad life and have no choice but to kill myself. Having an untolerable life and wanting to be dead is as much of a disease as homosexuality. Also, I am thinking clearly. The only way I can not tolerate my impossible issues is by being dead. And getting help will only make things worse.

If someone I love had cancer and they could cure it, but could choose not to, that would be their decision. If they don't want to live, then that's their choice. I'm not gonna be a cruel sadist and force them to live a life of unbearable awfulness.

Also, I'm not scared. It's not like I'm in a horror movie right now. I can't hang on anymore, I'm sick of all this effing bull. And I know that people care about me, and that's a problem, because it's gonna make suicide a lot more difficult. And I'm a little surprised that you "like" me, because I thought that you thought I was an annoying doofus.

Sincerely, Avery.

You know what, at this point, I'm done too. I think I'll just kill myself as well.

[averygamerdude]

You know what, at this point, I'm done too. I think I'll just kill myself as well.

I'm gonna miss ya, 'cause I actually like ya.

[Karkat]

I'm gonna miss ya, 'cause I actually like ya.

Aww.

[averygamerdude]

Aww.

Yeah. :P

[Inoh]

Well, I guess we're feeling the same way, but I kinda think different. I just feel this huge emptiness, as if nothing can make me happy, I've actually went as far as taking a knife, and sat there for like 30 minutes thinking if it was worth. I obviously didn't do it, but I still think about it. I know that if I die, everyone will be shocked, but that's not why I don't do it. I dunno, I juat have this feeling that I might suffer a day, a week, a year, but one time or another, I'll something will make me feel better. I know that's not the way you think, but seriously, think about it, I know I don't even know you, but death or pain is something I wouldn't want for any human being. Unfortunately it still happens anyway so helping is always worth a shot. Good luck and hope you live :) .

[averygamerdude]

Well, I guess we're feeling the same way, but I kinda think different. I just feel this huge emptiness, as if nothing can make me happy, I've actually went as far as taking a knife, and sat there for like 30 minutes thinking if it was worth. I obviously didn't do it, but I still think about it. I know that if I die, everyone will be shocked, but that's not why I don't do it. I dunno, I juat have this feeling that I might suffer a day, a week, a year, but one time or another, I'll something will make me feel better. I know that's not the way you think, but seriously, think about it, I know I don't even know you, but death or pain is something I wouldn't want for any human being. Unfortunately it still happens anyway so helping is always worth a shot. Good luck and hope you live :) .

I like how you're being nice. The only reason I'm still here is because I don't have any guns or lethally toxic substances in my house.