Gay Marriage bans upheld in 4 states

[World Eater]

The same-sex marriage movement lost its first major case in a federal appeals court Thursday after a lengthy string of victories, creating a split among the nation's circuit courts that virtually guarantees Supreme Court review.

The 2-1 ruling from the U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit reversed district court rulings that had struck down gay marriage bans in Michigan, Ohio, Kentucky and Tennessee.

More important, it gives Supreme Court justices an appellate ruling that runs counter to four others from the 4th, 7th, 9th and 10th circuits. Those rulings struck down same-sex marriage bans in Virginia, Indiana, Wisconsin, Oklahoma, Utah, Idaho and Nevada, leading to similar action in neighboring states.

Circuit Judge Jeffrey Sutton, one of the Republican Party's most esteemed legal thinkers and writers, issued the 42-page decision precisely three months after hearing oral arguments in the cases, with fellow GOP nominee Deborah Cook concurring. He delivered a rare defeat for proponents of same-sex marriage, who had won nearly all the cases decided from Florida to Alaska since the Supreme Court ruled against the federal Defense of Marriage Act in June 2013.

Sutton argued that appellate judges' hands are tied by a one-sentence Supreme Court ruling from 1972, which "upheld the
right of the people of a state to define marriage as they see it." Last year's high court decision requiring the federal government to recognize legal same-sex marriages does not negate the earlier ruling as it applies to states where gay marriage is not legal, he said. The same reasoning was used by a federal district court judge in Puerto Rico last month.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/11/06/gay-marriage-appeals-court-ohio-michigan-kentucky-tennessee/15712319/

Can't say I'm surprised.

[CosmicNoodle]

'Murica everybody, land of the fucking free!

[CrazyPerson101]

'Murica everybody, land of the fucking free!


Pretty much what Joe said ^^ :/

[xXl0sth0peXx]

Well this is shit. Whyyyy >_>

[Emerald Dream]

a one-sentence Supreme Court ruling from 1972

The entire problem right here. Not that it should have ever been a thing to begin with, but we've got geezers reinforcing decisions from over 40 years ago.

[Vlerchan]

Not that it should have ever been a thing to begin with, but we've got geezers reinforcing decisions from over 40 years ago.
Legal precedent is pretty foundational to any common law system. It would be rather difficult to remain consistent without it (and there's lots of ambiguities in law - i.e., the illegality of "cruel and unusual" punishments means what exactly?).

I'd imagine this is going to get overruled in the (federal) Supreme Court anyway. So no biggie really.

[phuckphace]

'Murica everybody, land of the fucking free!

more like "Land of the World-Famous Culture War Battle Royale" pitted between a few goofy pirates having a slapfight over who has the right to more grog and blankets while their ship is sailing directly into an iceberg.

[Uranus]

more like "Land of the World-Famous Culture War Battle Royale" pitted between a few goofy pirates having a slapfight over who has the right to more grog and blankets while their ship is sailing directly into an iceberg.

Lolz I agree.
Whatever happened to the real America?!
Where da fuck did it go? O.o

[CosmicNoodle]

more like "Land of the World-Famous Culture War Battle Royale" pitted between a few goofy pirates having a slapfight over who has the right to more grog and blankets while their ship is sailing directly into an iceberg.

Reminds me of this:

"Freedom to obey" - The Amazing Athiest

[Lovelife090994]

Cool! Do gays honestly think their little hostile takeover will win without resistance? Let me grab my popcorn and watch the show.

[Stronk Serb]

Cool! Do gays honestly think their little hostile takeover will win without resistance? Let me grab my popcorn and watch the show.

Watching some if not most things in America is so amusing I ran out of popcorn.

Honestly, what's going on? Freedom of marriage doesn't apply to everyone apparently. For ye religious folks, they're not campaining for a religious marriage, just for a legal one. If some churches want to marry them or not, it's their choice, not the government's.

[Lovelife090994]

Watching some if not most things in America is so amusing I ran out of popcorn.

Honestly, what's going on? Freedom of marriage doesn't apply to everyone apparently. For ye religious folks, they're not campaining for a religious marriage, just for a legal one. If some churches want to marry them or not, it's their choice, not the government's.

Until the Rainbow Political Correct Coalition stops being biased and hateful I'll delight in any loss the LGBT gets.

[Vlerchan]

Do gays honestly think their little hostile takeover will win without resistance?
I have no idea how you managed to rationalise using the word "hostile" as a descriptor of judicial activism.

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I'm also curious as to what "real" America is.

[phuckphace]

I have no idea how you managed to rationalise using the word "hostile" as a descriptor of judicial activism.

judicial activism is undemocratic, is it not? I certainly don't see how it could be justified in a legitimate democracy.

Honestly, what's going on? Freedom of marriage doesn't apply to everyone apparently. For ye religious folks, they're not campaining for a religious marriage, just for a legal one. If some churches want to marry them or not, it's their choice, not the government's.

Christians don't make a distinction between legal and religious marriage because according to their beliefs, the entire institution of marriage is ordained by God and is considered a "holy sacrament" or whatever. that's why they view the concept of secular legal marriages, especially between gays, as invalid and heretical redefinitions of marriage.

not to say I agree with them obviously, just giving you the reason why they say what they say.

[Vlerchan]

judicial activism is undemocratic, is it not? I certainly don't see how it could be justified in a legitimate democracy.
I don't see what's undemocratic about acting to ensure that your rights as enshrined in the constitution are upheld.

[phuckphace]

I don't see what's undemocratic about acting to ensure that your rights as enshrined in the constitution are upheld.

Judicial activism is a term that describes judicial rulings suspected of being based on personal or political considerations rather than on existing law.

sounds pretty undemocratic if you ask me.

the constitution doesn't define marriage. the super-majority voted democratically to define marriage based on popular consensus, which is the point where the losing faction is supposed to take their ball and go home. but instead the losing team runs to their rich attorney dad who pulls some strings and has the winning team's trophy revoked. the gay judge who overturned Proposition 8 in California is one well-known example - yeah, no bias or conflict of interest there.

[Vlerchan]

sounds pretty undemocratic if you ask me.
I think our problem lies in me using the term judicial activism wrongly to begin with. Whatever term connects to the ideal I gave above is the is the one I was wanting to use - so not judicial activism because it's something that has more to do with the movement-side of the issue.

Reading into what Judicial Activism really is I also don't have much of an issue with it.

the constitution doesn't define marriage.
It has a nice equal protection clause though.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal_Protection_Clause

You then have Loving v. Virginia [1967] ( http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loving_v._Virginia) as precedent.

the super-majority voted democratically to define marriage based on popular consensus
14th amendment still stands last time I checked.

[CosmicNoodle]

Cool! Do gays honestly think their little hostile takeover will win without resistance? Let me grab my popcorn and watch the show.

Now I remember why i really don't like you.

Answer me this, how is wanting to do something that affects no one else, doesn't influence them in any way, and is none of your fucking business, a hostile take over? We just want the basic right to love who we want to and display it how we want. What's your problem with us, like seriously, what did we do to you or your imaginary friend in the sky? Ohh I forgot, you never actually thought about it but just used 2000 year outdated opinions so you didn't have to think -_-

Thankfully ignorant and uneducated opinions like yours are soon to die, I'll be sure to sit back with popcorn and watch all you believe in crumbles, actually, I'll watch it whilst having sex with my husband :)

[Babs]

Until the Rainbow Political Correct Coalition stops being biased and hateful I'll delight in any loss the LGBT gets.

I'm just gonna be blunt.
This is one of the dumbest things I've read all week, both of your posts in this thread. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you meant to type something a little less asinine and ironic.

[phuckphace]

Thankfully ignorant and uneducated opinions like yours are soon to die, I'll be sure to sit back with popcorn and watch all you believe in crumbles, actually, I'll watch it whilst having sex with my husband :)

angry, derisive and shamelessly vulgar - progressives.txt

personally I'm hoping we see Inquisition 2.0 pretty soon. every now and then humanity gets a little too full of itself and needs a good prod with the pointy end of a halberd.

speaking of watching things crumble, that'll be your society (you would have noticed this already were your concerns not directed obsessively inward). on the other hand, the very few religious communities that remain will be the safest and most stable anywhere. peace homie

[Lovelife090994]

Now I remember why i really don't like you.

Answer me this, how is wanting to do something that affects no one else, doesn't influence them in any way, and is none of your fucking business, a hostile take over? We just want the basic right to love who we want to and display it how we want. What's your problem with us, like seriously, what did we do to you or your imaginary friend in the sky? Ohh I forgot, you never actually thought about it but just used 2000 year outdated opinions so you didn't have to think -_-

Thankfully ignorant and uneducated opinions like yours are soon to die, I'll be sure to sit back with popcorn and watch all you believe in crumbles, actually, I'll watch it whilst having sex with my husband :)

Wow you are so defensive and angry. Not saying the LGBT are friendly with that now are we? This is why I don't support the LGBT. You all only love yourself and you spit on religion. No, I'm sorry, you just spit on Christianity because the other faiths won't have it.

"Now I remember why I don't like you," wow? That's your handle, that's your reply? What a vulgar, heartless, disheartening, and asinine thing to say. I have nothing against you. I just have issue with the fact that the LGBT acts like they are all that matters.
I'm just gonna be blunt.
This is one of the dumbest things I've read all week, both of your posts in this thread. But I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you meant to type something a little less asinine and ironic.

I'm just gonna be blunt, I don't give a care what you think. You know the LGBT are not saints, so quit acting pious.

[PinkFloyd]

Didn't same-sex marriage get legalized in Utah?

[Melodic]

That's it. I'm moving.

[samii]

Its also banded in mine

[CosmicNoodle]

angry, derisive and shamelessly vulgar - progressives.txt

personally I'm hoping we see Inquisition 2.0 pretty soon. every now and then humanity gets a little too full of itself and needs a good prod with the pointy end of a halberd.

speaking of watching things crumble, that'll be your society (you would have noticed this already were your concerns not directed obsessively inward). on the other hand, the very few religious communities that remain will be the safest and most stable anywhere. peace homie

Ye, I have noticed society starting to crumble, the state we are in at the moment and the way we conduct ourselves on an international level simply isn't sustainable. I resly don't think humanity will last much longer.

And ye, that's a good description of my wording toward him, but he made me angry, so no fucks are given on my part

Wow you are so defensive and angry. Not saying the LGBT are friendly with that now are we? This is why I don't support the LGBT. You all only love yourself and you spit on religion. No, I'm sorry, you just spit on Christianity because the other faiths won't have it.

"Now I remember why I don't like you," wow? That's your handle, that's your reply? What a vulgar, heartless, disheartening, and asinine thing to say. I have nothing against you. I just have issue with the fact that the LGBT acts like they are all that matters..

Yes, I am defensive and angry when there are people as close minded and ignorant to other peoples feelings and wants as you are, well, ignorant to it, or simply uncaring and inconsiderate.
LGBT people are aware that there are problems more than themselves, to think we don't know that is just plain stupid. And I think you'll find 99% of LGBT people really don't give. ashit which imaginary friend in the sky you wish to follow, we just want to be able to be with who we want, and not have to confirm to YOUR views. Really? Why does what YOU believe in affect OUR weight to marry? Why is it any of YOUR business who I love and want to be with? Why should YOU get a say in what goes on in MY life?

Vulgar, not really, its my honest opinion, I don't like you (right now), deal with it, not that I think you really care. Heartless, fair enough, I have no sympathy for Bigots. Disheartening, disheartened you from what? Asinine, don't really see how it is, but then again I see your opinion of LGBT rights Asninine.
And I'm aware you have nothing against me, but right now I have so ethong against you and your Bigoted views. Just because your OK with me doesn't mean I'm OK with you. And LGBT people are aware that we are not all that matters, if anything we likely have a MORE open view of the world than you. Don't see why you deem it nesiccery to restrict who other people can love, be with, ect.

Honestly, if Gay marriage was legalised tomorrow, would there be anarchy in the streets? Would every child and woman be raped? Would beasiality be legal? No, life would go on, but with a more accepting and happy society. Please, keep your 2000 year outdated religious views OUT of the loves life's of OTHER people.

(To be honest, yes, my response to you was overly hostile, and unnesiccersly harsh, but you really did make me angry with that comment, chances are I'll not even care in a few days, but right now I really don't like you. )

Merged Double Posts.
~Plane And Simple

[Lovelife090994]

Yes, I am defensive and angry when there are people as close minded and ignorant to other peoples feelings and wants as you are, well, ignorant to it, or simply uncaring and inconsiderate.
LGBT people are aware that there are problems more than themselves, to think we don't know that is just plain stupid. And I think you'll find 99% of LGBT people really don't give. ashit which imaginary friend in the sky you wish to follow, we just want to be able to be with who we want, and not have to confirm to YOUR views. Really? Why does what YOU believe in affect OUR weight to marry? Why is it any of YOUR business who I love and want to be with? Why should YOU get a say in what goes on in MY life?

Vulgar, not really, its my honest opinion, I don't like you (right now), deal with it, not that I think you really care. Heartless, fair enough, I have no sympathy for Bigots. Disheartening, disheartened you from what? Asinine, don't really see how it is, but then again I see your opinion of LGBT rights Asninine.
And I'm aware you have nothing against me, but right now I have so ethong against you and your Bigoted views. Just because your OK with me doesn't mean I'm OK with you. And LGBT people are aware that we are not all that matters, if anything we likely have a MORE open view of the world than you. Don't see why you deem it nesiccery to restrict who other people can love, be with, ect.

Honestly, if Gay marriage was legalised tomorrow, would there be anarchy in the streets? Would every child and woman be raped? Would beasiality be legal? No, life would go on, but with a more accepting and happy society. Please, keep your 2000 year outdated religious views OUT of the loves life's of OTHER people.

(To be honest, yes, my response to you was overly hostile, and unnesiccersly harsh, but you really did make me angry with that comment, chances are I'll not even care in a few days, but right now I really don't like you. )

You know, the LGBT will be a hate group as long as it has people like you. I'm not relogious but I have my views. I respected you but you disrespected me, my words, my character, and my faith. I don't get you. No beliefs are outdated. The LGBT says they are against religious intolerance but really you only just hate all who disagree and who are Christian. You all are nothing but bullies. You lack empathy, understanding, and the grounds to agree to disagree. And for that I wish you nothing even though you wish for me and those like me to die. Careful, I'm already suicidal so don't give me any ideas. My mother is not the best person and borders extreme Christian, but not all are like her.

[Vlerchan]

You know, the LGBT will be a hate group as long as it has people like you.
If there's 'hateful people' in the LGBT community that doesn't make the LGBTA movement a 'hate group'.

On that note do you actually have an argument against marriage equality or are you going to [stick to] ad homs?

[CosmicNoodle]

You know, the LGBT will be a hate group as long as it has people like you.

Because everyone is as harsh as me, obviously, clever boy.

I'm not relogious but I have my views. I respected you but you disrespected me, my words, my character, and my faith.

You just said your not religious, but then refer to your faith? What? And no, I don't respect you, I can't when you have such Bigoted views

I don't get you. No beliefs are outdated.

So does that mean the bible verse that says women are inferior to men is still valid? Hmm...interesting....

The LGBT says they are against religious intolerance but really you only just hate all who disagree and who are Christian.

No, I , ME, ME personally, dislikes Christianity, it's fucked me over many times before so I really have no reason to like it. I went to a Christian school and was bullied by the Christian children for being Bi, and when I asked them why? God said so. I really can't help but hate a religion that does shit like that. But I will admit it does a lot of good as well.

You all are nothing but bullies.

Yup, because everyone is as douche baggy and rude as me.

You lack empathy,

I have empathy, but not for Bigots

understanding,

As I've said many times before, I used to be Christian, I understand your views and religion perfectly, it's not as if I dislike them for no reason and without understanding, much like you seem to do with LGBT right.

and the grounds to agree to disagree.

I lack the grounds to disagree? When LGBT people all over the world are hated and prosecuted (not totally, but far too much)

And for that I wish you nothing even though you wish for me and those like me to die.

I don't wish for you to die, I wish you a happy, wholesome life, happiness, a family, a house to yourself, a good job and plenty of food and money, and a secure life. I just wish you wouldn't spew hate at a group of people because of there sexuality.

Careful, I'm already suicidal

So am I, soI have no empathy for you. And I refuse to restrict my views based on other feelings, if this is upsetting you that much, don't reply.

so don't give me any ideas.

How could this give you any ideas? It's not like I'm telling you to cut your wrists, I'm just disagreeing with stupidity.

My mother is not the best person and borders extreme Christian, but not all are like her.

Obviously not everyone is like her, based on your description we'd all be fucked if everyone was.


If your having suicidal thoughts have you considered talking to a doctor or therapist about what your feeling?

[Lovelife090994]

If your having suicidal thoughts have you considered talking to a doctor or therapist about what your feeling?

I hate the LGBT. You all want those you deem as "bigots" to burn. You just said you have no empathy to those who disagree. So because a few Christians hurt you we must all be terrible? Excuse me while I bring up how that argument never seems to work for Non-Christians.

And don't act like you care about me. I've learned you can't trust anyone. You can't trust many Christians, LGBTers are judgemental hateful pricks, and Atheists like you will forever hate me have and no problem trampling on the beliefs I hold so dear just because. I am spiritual not religious. You contradicted yourself. The LGBT is exactly like you! Cold, defensive, hypocritical, and apparently unaccepting. But you can't help it I guess. It's clear humans aren't worth the trouble after all.

[CosmicNoodle]

I hate the LGBT. You all want those you deem as "bigots" to burn.

Ohh, I'm glad you know what I wan't more than me, makes my job easier. Grow up, you have no idea what I want, you've only ever talked to me through the medium of very angry messages. I don't want the Bigots (don't use quotation marks, thats what you ARE) to burn, I just wish they wouldn't fuck everyone else over to make themselves happy.

You just said you have no empathy to those who disagree.

Noooo, I have no empathy for you being suicidal, I have empathy for you disagreeing.

So because a few Christians hurt you we must all be terrible?

I don't hate the Christiant, I dislike the teachings. Simple. I have no problem with them, but what they (some of them, not all) seem intent to shove in my face, that we wouldn't be able to marry because there imaginary friend in the sky said so.

Excuse me while I bring up how that argument never seems to work for Non-Christians.

I use a different argument, your point is mute

And don't act like you care about me.

I care about each and every human on the planet, just because I disagree with your views doesn't mean I don't care.

I've learned you can't trust anyone. You can't trust many Christians, LGBTers are judgemental hateful pricks,

Your right, damn those LGBTers and there peaceful protests and logical messages! Damn them all!

and Atheists like you will forever hate me

As I've said MANY times, I don't hate you, I just think your views are misguided.

have and no problem trampling on the beliefs I hold so dear just because. I am spiritual not religious.

Forgive my ignorance, what "beliefs" does a "spiritual" person hold that don't count as religious?

You contradicted yourself. The LGBT is exactly like you!

Have you ever talked to a group of LGBT people in real life? We have the same emotions you do, a lot of us get angry when Bigots like yourself insult us, I wish this argument could be a little more civil. Look at the LGBT people on this site, (wish is the majority population), are they all as bad tempered and cruel as me? No, they are an extremely nice population. Go ahead, talk to them, JackRussleDad, Dame, GammaMale, go ahead, all lovely people, I'm the one bad example and you decide to base them all off me? Well done.

Cold, defensive, hypocritical, and apparently unaccepting.

Actually I'm a very accepting person, if you want to do something, provided it doesn't harm anyone else, go ahead, and have fun, you seem to think I hate you because your "spiritual" (whatever the fuck that means) I don't, I dislike you because your making cruel, misguided arguments. And ain't you LGBT yourself? I thought you where gay?

But you can't help it I guess. It's clear humans aren't worth the trouble after all.

Ain't gonna argue with that.


-_-......

[Lovelife090994]

-_-......

I'm not a bigot. The definition of a bigot is someone who can't work in society and someone who is not fit to function in society. Either they are too rash, too dividing, too heretical, or turns their hate into action. And I may be non-straight but that doesn't mean I have to like or support the LGBT terror group. I know non-straight people but they'll betray me too sooner or later like everyone else. Like I said; no one is worth the trouble of caring about if they don't care.

[CosmicNoodle]

I'm not a bigot. The definition of a bigot is someone who can't work in society and someone who is not fit to function in society. Either they are too rash, too dividing, too heretical, or turns their hate into action. And I may be non-straight but that doesn't mean I have to like or support the LGBT terror group. I know non-straight people but they'll betray me too sooner or later like everyone else. Like I said; no one is worth the trouble of caring about if they don't care.

I remember now, your gay, and you call yourself "none straight", ha, sooner or later you'll have to bet comfortable with the idea your gay. And you are a biggot, with your views your not fit to function in modern day society when you spew shit like that when something nice happens for a lot of people, YOURSELF included. The LGBT terror group? Ok, I'll entertain the idea, what have we done that can be described as terrorism? What did we blow up? Who did we kill? Who did we oppress? But your LGBT people have YET to betray you, I think you'll find, most LGBT people are very friendly and helpful, sure he have wankers, every group does, but for some odd reason we seem to have an unusually high number of nice people.

Trust me, the sooner you accept yourself, the sooner you'll be happy, but if you really want to deny and hate your sexuality and oppress your own feeling, feel free.

But I ask again:
The LGBT terror group? Ok, I'll entertain the idea, what have we done that can be described as terrorism? What did we blow up? Who did we kill? Who did we oppress?

Please, enlighten me.

[Lovelife090994]

I remember now, your gay, and you call yourself "none straight", ha, sooner or later you'll have to bet comfortable with the idea your gay. And you are a biggot, with your views your not fit to function in modern day society when you spew shit like that when something nice happens for a lot of people, YOURSELF included. The LGBT terror group? Ok, I'll entertain the idea, what have we done that can be described as terrorism? What did we blow up? Who did we kill? Who did we oppress? But your LGBT people have YET to betray you, I think you'll find, most LGBT people are very friendly and helpful, sure he have wankers, every group does, but for some odd reason we seem to have an unusually high number of nice people.

Trust me, the sooner you accept yourself, the sooner you'll be happy, but if you really want to deny and hate your sexuality and oppress your own feeling, feel free.

But I ask again:
The LGBT terror group? Ok, I'll entertain the idea, what have we done that can be described as terrorism? What did we blow up? Who did we kill? Who did we oppress?

Please, enlighten me.

The LGBT is nothing more than a group of bullies who overstep the Constitution to invent laws for themselves. The LGBT is against all religions and seeks to end aml tradition with their "openness" to all things immoral.

And a victory? So stamping out the rights of the majority is a victory? And see? Self-entitlement. The LGBT feels the world owes them something. Newsflash it owes you nothing. You all would rather divide the world into your kind and the non that it shows your true dark purposes. And the LGBT will not stop until every religion is eradicated. You seek misery.

And I've accepted myself. I accepted happiness is an illusion, love doesn't exist, and that I'll die alone. The LGBT is an insult to traditional values and nature with it's participants as pawns. No good will come. Still hate "homophobes?" The ones that don't even fear you? Hate the terrorists klling you. Quit being hypocritical.

[CosmicNoodle]

Before I begin, you should know after reading that I gave out a small derogatory laugh that I couldn't keep in, you sir, are ridiculous.

The LGBT is nothing more than a group of bullies who overstep the Constitution to invent laws for themselves.

Have you ever read the constitution? Really? It seems not.

The LGBT is against all religions and seeks to end aml tradition with their "openness" to all things immoral.

No, we're not, in any way, provided you don't shove it down our necks we don't give a flying fuck with imaginary friend you have.

And a victory? So stamping out the rights of the majority is a victory?

*sighs* Go on then, impress me, HOW are we stampng our the rights of the majority by simply asking for the same rights as everyone else, unless it is everyone else's right to fuck us over I don't see how we're doing that.

And see? Self-entitlement. The LGBT feels the world owes them something.

It owes us the right to love who we want without mockery or prosecution, like anyone else

Newsflash it owes you nothing.

Apart from the right to love who we want.

You all would rather divide the world into your kind and the non that it shows your true dark purposes.

Dark Purposes?...serious question, do you also believe in the Illuminati? We don't want to divide the world, we just want to love who we fucking love, fuck sake.

And the LGBT will not stop until every religion is eradicated. You seek misery.

Nooooo, we seek happiness, and don't give a shit about which imaginary friend you wish to follow

And I've accepted myself. I accepted happiness is an illusion, love doesn't exist, and that I'll die alone.

With a personality and hatred like you have now, I agree.

The LGBT is an insult to traditional values and nature

Ohh, your one of the ***** ***** who believe that homosexuality is against nature, news flash genius, it is PART of nature, found in many, many species, including Humans. Homosexuality is normal on earth, hatred and bigotry is not.

with it's participants as pawns.

Ok, you win, homosexuals run the world, we rig the elections, faked the moon landing, killed Kennedy, fuck, we even faked Nixon's whole administration. We are the Illuminati, you caught us

No good will come. Still hate "homophobes?"

Fuuuuuccckkkkkk sakkkkkeee...I, DO, NOT, HATE, THEM, I dislike there uneducated views, get that through your skull.

The ones that don't even fear you?

Fear, HAHAHAHA! I have NEVER found someone who shows genuine fear toward a homosexual, never, please, show me one so I can laugh at him.

Hate the terrorists klling you.

The terrorists are people like you, for 4 or 5 years I was beat up every day because of homphobes, just saying, and somehow my own sexuality is to blame? Nooo, I think it's homophobia and stupidity

Quit being hypocritical.

I wasn't, in any way, please explain how, I don't see how I was.


You sir, are good for a laugh.

[Lovelife090994]

Before I begin, you should know after reading that I gave out a small derogatory laugh that I couldn't keep in, you sir, are ridiculous.



You sir, are good for a laugh.

Wow, you got none of that. Should we mimic nature and eat our kin too? Why is nature male to female? Why must I want people to be happy when happiness doesn't exist? Why shoukd the LGBT want marriage? Marriage is miserable and expensive. Also, gays have beaten me so why should I support them? And I wish to be alone for the aforementioned and because I'm unloving and not worth it. Why should I love LGBT actions? And the LGBT is against traditional values. I don't have to like you. And yes I'm smiling just a bit. Thanks, first genuine smile I've had in months. But not from happiness.

[CosmicNoodle]

Wow, you got none of that. Should we mimic nature and eat our kin too? Why is nature male to female? Why must I want people to be happy when happiness doesn't exist? Why shoukd the LGBT want marriage? Marriage is miserable and expensive. Also, gays have beaten me so why should I support them? And I wish to be alone for the aforementioned and because I'm unloving and not worth it. Why should I love LGBT actions? And the LGBT is against traditional values. I don't have to like you. And yes I'm smiling just a bit. Thanks, first genuine smile I've had in months. But not from happiness.

Ohh believe me, I've been smiling AT you for hours now...

See what I got from that was "I can';t be happy, so no one can be". And so what if marriage is expensive and supposedly miserable, is it any of your business?
Why should the LGBT want marriage? Because we want the basic right to express our love for another person, just like a straight couple. Duh
"I'm unloving and not worth it"....I'm saying nothing...

You just come off as an angry, hateful, brainwashed, confused and frustrated individual. I genuinely pitty you right now. You need to look at the big picture.

[Lovelife090994]

Ohh believe me, I've been smiling AT you for hours now...

See what I got from that was "I can';t be happy, so no one can be". And so what if marriage is expensive and supposedly miserable, is it any of your business?
Why should the LGBT want marriage? Because we want the basic right to express our love for another person, just like a straight couple. Duh
"I'm unloving and not worth it"....I'm saying nothing...

You just come off as an angry, hateful, brainwashed, confused and frustrated individual. I genuinely pitty you right now. You need to look at the big picture.

There is no picture. The LGBT breeds hatred. And I prefer to look at myself as disturbed. Ahahahahahha

[CosmicNoodle]

There is no picture. The LGBT breeds hatred. And I prefer to look at myself as disturbed. Ahahahahahha

How does the LGBT breed hate? The ways you have already said are incorrect, unfounded and without evidence, try again. I don't think your disturbed, I would say what I think you are but site rules prohibit it.

And there is a picture, its the fact that you shouldn't have a say in the love lifes of other people. I'm sure even you can grasp that.

[Lovelife090994]

How does the LGBT breed hate? The ways you have already said are incorrect, unfounded and without evidence, try again. I don't think your disturbed, I would say what I think you are but site rules prohibit it.

And there is a picture, its the fact that you shouldn't have a say in the love lifes of other people. I'm sure even you can grasp that.

Yet you have a say in what I say? No way. The LGBT have messed with me for the last time. They are never going to win and are wolves dressed as sheep. You'll see. Gay marriage will fail one day.

[CosmicNoodle]

Yet you have a say in what I say? No way. The LGBT have messed with me for the last time. They are never going to win and are wolves dressed as sheep. You'll see. Gay marriage will fail one day.

No, you can say what you want, you seem to think I want to censor you, no, I would happily die for the right to free speech, but when you spew something stupid I'll be sure to point it out. I would die for your right to say what you want to say, that doesn't change the fact that what you want to say makes no sense.
You do realise your gay, you ARE on of the LGBT...
I hope that I get to meet you in say 50 years, so I can shove that comment in your face, and prove you wrong, not only now, but when your a sad, lonely old man.

But I could be wrong, maybe one day your views will change. After all, people change, thankfully.

[Lovelife090994]

No, you can say what you want, you seem to think I want to censor you, no, I would happily die for the right to free speech, but when you spew something stupid I'll be sure to point it out. I would die for your right to say what you want to say, that doesn't change the fact that what you want to say makes no sense.
You do realise your gay, you ARE on of the LGBT...
I hope that I get to meet you in say 50 years, so I can shove that comment in your face, and prove you wrong, not only now, but when your a sad, lonely old man.

But I could be wrong, maybe one day your views will change. After all, people change, thankfully.

They have changed. And I doubt I'll grow old. Fine the LGBT can get married but I hate their flamboyance. Fair ebough? You people are so predictable and defensive. Changing your words because they make no sense? Out of voices? I won't change twice. I'm already losing it and becoming the Nihilistic Atheist everyone said I'd be. And I am not in the LGBT. No way will I make their pledge. They would kill me if they knew my views. They are dangerous.

[CosmicNoodle]

They have changed. And I doubt I'll grow old. Fine the LGBT can get married but I hate their flamboyance. Fair ebough? You people are so predictable and defensive. Changing your words because they make no sense? Out of voices? I won't change twice. I'm already losing it and becoming the Nihilistic Atheist everyone said I'd be. And I am not in the LGBT. No way will I make their pledge. They would kill me if they knew my views. They are dangerous.

LGBT, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transsexual. Like it or not, you are one, you may not identify as the label but you come under it.
And I think you'll find most LGBT people are not flamboyant, I for one can be described as a Grunge Child, the opposite of flamboyant. Most of us are normal people, you seem to base the gay person as they are in cartoons. With small dogs, pink shoes and a camp personality, most of us ain't that, we are mostly just normal people.
And what LGBT pledge do you talk off? There isn't one? What do we do, put our hands on a copy of Sex and the City and pledge allegiance to Satan? There is no LGBT pledge.
And lastly WE, ARE, NOT, DANGEROUS.

[Lovelife090994]

LGBT, lesbian, gay, bisexual, transsexual. Like it or not, you are one, you may not identify as the label but you come under it.
And I think you'll find most LGBT people are not flamboyant, I for one can be described as a Grunge Child, the opposite of flamboyant. Most of us are normal people, you seem to base the gay person as they are in cartoons. With small dogs, pink shoes and a camp personality, most of us ain't that, we are mostly just normal people.
And what LGBT pledge do you talk off? There isn't one? What do we do, put our hands on a copy of Sex and the City and pledge allegiance to Satan? There is no LGBT pledge.
And lastly WE, ARE, NOT, DANGEROUS.

Yes. You. Are. I know some of you will try and kill me one day. One day all homophobes shall be slain by rainbrow grudge and the streets shall run with blood. You may not participate but to the spectacle you won't be late. For when all is said and done, the Rainbow Coalition will at last have won. Hahahaha war is coming!

[CosmicNoodle]

Yes. You. Are. I know some of you will try and kill me one day. One day all homophobes shall be slain by rainbrow grudge and the streets shall run with blood. You may not participate but to the spectacle you won't be late. For when all is said and done, the Rainbow Coalition will at last have won. Hahahaha war is coming!

Ok, thats it, I'm done, that's crossed the line from stupid into ether crazy, or trolling. And honestly I don't care which, enjoy your very lonely and hateful life good sir, I shall bid thee adieu.

[phuckphace]

yeah there's really no point in trying to "protect" the institution of marriage when it has already been rendered meaningless. at this point Christians are trying to revive a dead patient, and that only worked for JC and Lazarus.

[CosmicNoodle]

yeah there's really no point in trying to "protect" the institution of marriage when it has already been rendered meaningless. at this point Christians are trying to revive a dead patient, and that only worked for JC and Lazarus.

And the fact that they where both fictional doesn't help there argument :P

[phuckphace]

brotip: all of my posts should be considered ironic unless otherwise noted.

[Typhlosion]

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