Should guys be allowed to hit girls?

[Babiole]

I've noticed that there's a double standard against guys hitting girls. Guys who hit girls are automatically labeled misogynists, but girls are allowed to beat guys to a pulp.

[Elysium]

What? No, nobody should be hitting anyone! Boys should not be allowed to hit girls and girls should not be allowed to hit boys and nobody should be allowed to hit anyone because no matter who or what you are, that makes you a piece of shit (unless it's in self defense).

[Horatio Nelson]

I would never hit a girl out of rage or anything like that. Hurting someone that can't defend themselves makes you lower than ran over horse shit.

But if there was someone who was trying to kill me, make or female, you would get fucked up.

[riverboy]

What? No, nobody should be hitting anyone! Boys should not be allowed to hit girls and girls should not be allowed to hit boys and nobody should be allowed to hit anyone because no matter who or what you are, that makes you a piece of shit (unless it's in self defense).

I agree whole heartily. No one should hit anyone.

[DeadEyes]

What? No, nobody should be hitting anyone! Boys should not be allowed to hit girls and girls should not be allowed to hit boys and nobody should be allowed to hit anyone because no matter who or what you are, that makes you a piece of shit (unless it's in self defense).

My thoughts exactly, if not 5 then 2.

[Bmble_B]

What? No, nobody should be hitting anyone! Boys should not be allowed to hit girls and girls should not be allowed to hit boys and nobody should be allowed to hit anyone because no matter who or what you are, that makes you a piece of shit (unless it's in self defense).

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[phuckphace]

only in self-defense if I was being attacked. there are plenty of women out there who could kill me if they wanted to, and if someone jumps me with that intent, well...

[thatcountrykid]

If you try to hurt me I'll fuck your shit up but won't go over board. If it's a girl I'll just try and restrain them first but still would get fucked up.

[Melodic]

I was going to pick the no violence option, but I'll get real here and say that my theory isn't the same with everyone and every case. I get pissed when guys get dissed for hitting a girl because they are a guy. I think girls can be just as abusive as a guy and I absolutely hate that stereotype. I also hate the theory that a guy can't hit back if hit by a girl. I think anyone should have the right of self defense.

[James Dean]

Just for self defense, like she is going to cause deathly harm to the man, and even then, that's still a weak yes. I just feel men should never hit women under circumstances. He has the power to stop her fists or restrain her. Women's bodies and muscle tones aren't built the same way that mens are to take punches.

[Vlerchan]

I'm talking self-defence:

In general men are bigger than woman so there's not a lot of cases where men are going to have a legitimate excuse to batter a woman in return. It's just unnecessarily thuggish on the man's part in most instances.

[Gigablue]

The whole question is, by its very nature, sexist. People shouldn't hit people, unless it's in self defence. The genders of the people involved are irrelevant.

[ImCoolBeans]

I don't think guys should hit girls, or other guys. Nor should girls hit guys, or other girls. Fighting is pretty stupid, but sometimes necessary in cases where it is in self defense. If somebody is attacking me with the intent to hurt me, I'm going to fight you back whether you're a girl or a guy, but I'm not likely going to ever hit anybody, regardless of gender, unless extremely provoked.

[peyton2000]

Guys shouldn't ever hit a girl or the other way around

[Whiskers]

My school believes in this stereotype:
I beat up guy=1 day suspension
Friend does joking slap to girl (very weak)=1 week suspension

[SethfromMI]

only in a self defense situation

[Southside]

Yeah I call BS on the whole "self defense" scenario...
Unless that female has a weapon then it's really no need for "self defense", how easy is it to overpower a female?

Some people have a misinterpretation of self defense, its not beat the enemy to a bloody pulp, its get enough licks in to get AWAY from them.

[phuckphace]

Yeah I call BS on the whole "self defense" scenario...
Unless that female has a weapon then it's really no need for "self defense", how easy is it to overpower a female?

it can be harder than you think, especially if the other person outweighs you and uses the element of surprise to hit you first. I've come very close to getting jumped by a chick at work - she's in her late 20s and has severe anger/mental issues and doesn't always take her medications when she's supposed to. all it would take is someone (likely me) saying the wrong thing at the wrong time and I'd end up having to run for my life. it may sound stupid (it honestly is, there's no good reason for a high-risk individual like that to keep their job) but I actually keep a box knife with a new blade in it on me at all times in case that day ever comes.

with politically correct hiring practices being what they are, a lot of us are in as much danger from our coworkers as we are the public.

[Babs]

Anyone should probably hit anyone in self-defense if it's absolutely necessary. I don't get the whole "if we're equal can I hit women now" thing. No one is saying you can't hit a woman if she is trying to harm you and you are in serious danger.

[Stronk Serb]

Girls generally don't annoy me so I don't feel the need or urge to hit them. Also I'd hit a girl only in self-defense.

[Paladino]

I've been hit by girls and the one time I defend my self because I can't take enough of the shit anymore, I kick her to get her away from me(while I have spent the whole weekend taking slaps, kicks, and knees to the balls), she falls and breaks her finger & I became public enemy number one, her family wants me dead & when they get the chance they will probably hurt me even though it was an accident.

[RRay99]

Generally, no it is not OK to hit a girl. Self defense is one thing, but that's only in the most extreme situation

[Liven]

The only time I will ever hit a female is if she is a threat to my life or safety. That should be the one and only reason to hit anyone. Not just women, but men as well.

[Karkat]

What? No, nobody should be hitting anyone! Boys should not be allowed to hit girls and girls should not be allowed to hit boys and nobody should be allowed to hit anyone because no matter who or what you are, that makes you a piece of shit (unless it's in self defense).

Pretty much exactly this. I don't exactly consider myself a pacifist, but I do not believe that violence is the answer to anything. There are always peaceful ways to settle conflicts.

[DeadEyes]

There are always peaceful ways to settle conflicts.

The history of the world has proven that to be wrong but, even if there is a conflict and it's not resolving itself, it doesn't mean it has to get physical between the two persons involved.

[Karkat]

The history of the world has proven that to be wrong but, even if there is a conflict and it's not resolving itself, it doesn't mean it has to get physical between the two persons involved.

Actually, that just proves that those who came before us were, well, human. I.e. not perfect.

Ideally, there is always a peaceful answer to a conflict. Doesn't mean whoever is making the decisions is going to be smart enough or incorrupt enough to choose it.

Your logic pretty much depends on all human decisions to be perfect, and they just aren't.

[DeadEyes]

Actually, that just proves that those who came before us were, well, human. I.e. not perfect.

Ideally, there is always a peaceful answer to a conflict. Doesn't mean whoever is making the decisions is going to be smart enough or incorrupt enough to choose it.

Your logic pretty much depends on all human decisions to be perfect, and they just aren't.

On the contrary, I do believe humans are far from perfect, the only way they are perfect is they are perfectly flawed. I've posted about that many times before.
And that was my point, most of the time people won't be smart enough to find a peaceful solution and war will ensue.
Humans will usually not be smart enough to temper themselves and conflicts will get physical, the girl will hit the guy due to the double standard girls can hit guys but then, as many said here, the guy might just hit back.

[Karkat]

On the contrary, I do believe humans are far from perfect, the only way they are perfect is they are perfectly flawed. I've posted about that many times before.
And that was my point, most of the time people won't be smart enough to find a peaceful solution and war will ensue.
Humans will usually not be smart enough to temper themselves and conflicts will get physical, the girl will hit the guy due to the double standard girls can hit guys but then, as many said here, the guy might just hit back.

Yeah, I don't really buy into that, sorry.

I absolutely agree about the war bit and on, though.

I mean granted, realistically, there are times when you might have to use force of some kind to protect yourself, or will have to protect yourself in a way that puts your attacker in harm's way- neither of which are very peaceful. However, that's defensive- I was speaking more of offense, I guess I should've been clearer.

[DeadEyes]

However, that's defensive- I was speaking more of offense, I guess I should've been clearer.

Ah but it's perfectly clear, that's the thing with self defense, for it to happen someone had to attack first and that's the whole point: there will always be someone willing to attack first.
So ideally, as you said, there should always be a peaceful solution but as you also pointed out, humans are not perfect and so, the ideal is an utopianism.

[Charlie48]

Depends on the situation, but girls have a pair of fists too that can do a lot of damage. Not to mention the way in which girls tend to suppress anger and then explode lol. Generally though, guys shouldn't hit girls especially if there is a size miss match, but you gotta defend yourself too.

[Desuetude]

Anyone that ticked 'yes' on any of them other than the self defence one is just condoning abuse. No matter the gender no one should be hitting anyone, really. A playful hit/slap that isn't painful is fine either way but anything that is set out to deliberately cause harm is a no both ways. If it's in self defence and you're ONLY defending yourself, not attacking then you have to do what you can to save yourself harm, it's instinct really. It shouldn't matter how big or small she or he is, size shouldn't be a factor in whether or not you should cause someone harm, that's as stupid as gender being a factor in whether or not it's okay to hurt someone. It never is, end of.

[fairmaiden]

No one should hit anyone unless it's in an act of self-defence.

[CosmicNoodle]

No one hit anyone, everyone calm the fuck down, how fucking complex is that concept?

[terrydactyl]

Gender shouldn't come in to it. Just don't hit people. However, if it is in self defence and you have no other option, go ahead and hit them. Why does gender matter? Nobody should hit anybody else, regardless of gender.

[Action Cat]

No one should hit anyone, unless it's for self defense.

[Dennis98]

Guys that beat girls , their hands should be cut off and burned with them. Only in case when female is trying to murder guy or to mortally wound , only in that case self defense is allowed , in all other cases - NO .

[DamWayne]

nobody should hit anyone.

[Miserabilia]

Guys that beat girls , their hands should be cut off and burned with them. Only in case when female is trying to murder guy or to mortally wound , only in that case self defense is allowed , in all other cases - NO .

That's a bit ectremely extreme.
Why shouldn't a guy be allowed to hit a girl back when she hits him?
:what::what::what::what:

[cbm89031]

Hell No

[Dennis98]

That's a bit ectremely extreme.
Why shouldn't a guy be allowed to hit a girl back when she hits him?
:what::what::what::what:

Because girls are gentler gender , so guys should protect them . Guys are stronger and rougher , so , if some guy wants to wreak his power and rage , then he should wreak it on someone that is same as him , not someone like girls - someone that is weaker than him .... And no , it is not extreme . You think if your girlfriend slaps you , than you should slap her or break her bones , for Gods sake , because you are "threatened" ?! That is what my father taught me , how to behave with gentler gender ( females ) .... Only fag can wreak his strength on female , or man without honor .....

[Vlerchan]

Because girls are gentler gender, so guys should protect them.
I might be a "gentle" guy. Should I get special legal privileges too?

[Deactivated]

As a pacifist, I don't agree with violence. However, I would hit someone in self defense, but that's the only time I ever would.

[Miserabilia]

Because girls are gentler gender , so guys should protect them . Guys are stronger and rougher

That's sexist, and to be honest I think that kind of thought is more damaging than a man hitting a woman in self defence.
There are strong men and strong women, and even though you could reason that men are generaly stronger or that men are more often violent, perhaps due to testosterone, you can't outright deny ANY situation of self defence.
Women can also be aggresive, men can also be gentle. There are countless situations where self defence is perfectly justified.

Now, I wouldn't say a guy if free to beat a girl up because she hit him, but he should be free to do to protect himself, something like pushing her away, and, if really neccecary, hitting.


And no , it is not extreme . You think if your girlfriend slaps you , than you should slap her or break her bones , for Gods sake , because you are "threatened" ?!

Where did the "or break her bones" come from? That's not what self defence means. It means acting in self defence when you are being hurt. You can act in self defence to stop that person from hurting you.
If a crazy lady runs out to the street and starts jumping on me, biting me, kicking me and scratching me, I would see no problem in hitting her to get her off me, do you?
What should I do otherwise? Buy her chocolates and talk it out?


That is what my father taught me , how to behave with gentler gender ( females ) .... Only fag can wreak his strength on female , or man without honor .....

I'm hoping your using "fag' just as a term for a weak man and not a homosexual man because that just makes no sense at all otherwise.

[budapest]

yeah in self defence

but girls shouldn't hit guys either unless they're in danger

[Dennis98]

That's sexist, and to be honest I think that kind of thought is more damaging than a man hitting a woman in self defence.
There are strong men and strong women, and even though you could reason that men are generaly stronger or that men are more often violent, perhaps due to testosterone, you can't outright deny ANY situation of self defence.
Women can also be aggresive, men can also be gentle. There are countless situations where self defence is perfectly justified.

Now, I wouldn't say a guy if free to beat a girl up because she hit him, but he should be free to do to protect himself, something like pushing her away, and, if really neccecary, hitting.


Where did the "or break her bones" come from? That's not what self defence means. It means acting in self defence when you are being hurt. You can act in self defence to stop that person from hurting you.
If a crazy lady runs out to the street and starts jumping on me, biting me, kicking me and scratching me, I would see no problem in hitting her to get her off me, do you?
What should I do otherwise? Buy her chocolates and talk it out?




I'm hoping your using "fag' just as a term for a weak man and not a homosexual man because that just makes no sense at all otherwise.



As first , I am not sexist , or even female sexist . As you can see I am MALE , but I see woman like a God , because , without women there would not be man kind , and not only because that , I mean , every guy ( normal , not cursed fags , or gays like you call them on West ) consider women to a sublime being ( we know why xD ) .. Have you ever been in situation to see woman that first started some fight with man ? I think NO . So , woman can not ever attack guy first ... Other cases are women with testosterone surplus are not normal , or so called women with man hormone surplus , or persons that are not satisfied with their genders that eventually become trans gender persons .... It is true that there are strong women , but have you ever seen before woman that kicks guys ass or guys that are running or scared by women , I think again , NO ... That are rare and special situations ... If my reading and understanding skills are still OK , than as I can see this thread name is : "Should guys be allowed to hit girls?" . Can you see HIT in this sentence , main word is "HIT" , not push as you said ... I agree with you , if some woman would attack me ( chances are like 0.0000000000000001%) I would just push her , or squeeze one muscle on shoulder that makes even strongest guy to fall on his knees , BUT , not HIT ... You should really work on your reading and understanding skills before you start debating with someone , especially with me ... About bone breaking ... I had only one time chance to self defence ... Guy that tried to beat me , he came healthy from his home with gel on his hair , but he returned in hospital with broken teeth and broken arm .... Because I havent another chance to see , I know only that in MY case that I break someones bones , that is my way of "self defence" .... About my act in case of "some crazy lady attack" . I would react same as I said , squeeze muscle on shoulder she would fall on her knees ... Than I would call ambulance , because , CRAZY LADY PLACE IS NOT ON STREETS , IT SHOULD BE IN MENTAL HOSPITAL . And as I know , there are not crazy people on streets , maybe only in Assassins's Creed 1 xD ...
My theory thesis :
-Guy should not hit girl if he is not threatened
-Guy should only react in case like if girl has some weapon , or if she came with visible intention to murder or mortally wound some guy ...
-Be gentle with girls , because they are gentler gender and sublime gender sent by God to make our lives having some purpose
-Love and protect them


Again ; you should really work and practice your reading and understanding skills before you start debating with someone , really , that is my friendly advise to you ...
Regards ...

[Typhlosion]

Have you ever been in situation to see woman that first started some fight with man ? I think NO . So , woman can not ever attack guy first ... 15-20% of domestic abuse victims are men.

But I think you'd either dismiss it as the guy being a fag or use some other slur anyways.

[Vlerchan]

Other cases are women with testosterone surplus are not normal.
Lol. Regardless of your feelings such woman exist.

[O]r so called women with man hormone surplus.
Again. You believing woman like this aren't proper and don't count is irrelevant.

Have you ever been in situation to see woman that first started some fight with man ?
Yes.

[B]ut have you ever seen before woman that kicks guys ass or guys that are running or scared by women[?]
Yes.

"Surprise" and "Armed" can be some important factors.

I would react same as I said , squeeze muscle on shoulder she would fall on her knees ...
It's notable that you have not been in this situation and don't know how you would react.

CRAZY LADY PLACE IS NOT ON STREETS , IT SHOULD BE IN MENTAL HOSPITAL
Men who attack people are just men though right?

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There seems to be quite a few holes in your argument.

In my opinion people should react to threats in a manner not dependent on the shape of the assailants genitalia. Like size (etc.). Because that actually makes sense. I should add that in most cases I would see a man hitting a woman (in reaction to assault) wrong as explained on the last page.

I would also appreciate if you stopped referring to homosexuals as "fags". It's frankly just offensive. Thanks in advance.

[Dennis98]

15-20% of domestic abuse victims are men.

But I think you'd either dismiss it as the guy being a fag or use some other slur anyways.

There are different kinds of abuse ... In 90% of them , it is psychological abuse , like divorce threat , or like child keeping in case of divorce or 50% of family finances acquired through years in marriage goes to woman in case of divorce ... Maximum 5% are like physical abuse ...

Lol. Regardless of your feelings such woman exist.


Again. You believing woman like this aren't proper and don't count is irrelevant.


Yes.


Yes.

"Surprise" and "Armed" can be some important factors.


It's notable that you have not been in this situation and don't know how you would react.


Men who attack people are just men though right?

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There seems to be quite a few holes in your argument.

In my opinion people should react to threats in a manner not dependent on the shape of the assailants genitalia. Like size (etc.). Because that actually makes sense. I should add that in most cases I would see a man hitting a woman (in reaction to assault) wrong as explained on the last page.

I would also appreciate if you stopped referring to homosexuals as "fags". It's frankly just offensive. Thanks in advance.

What , you think that persons with surplus of some opposite gender hormone are normal ? Persons that do not like their gender , and trans gender persons , you think that they are normal ? You say that you saw that kind of situation , where woman kicks guy's ass ? Than , have you asked her why is she doing it ... Maybe she was defending against maniac or some sick guy .. And about crazy people ... There was no word about normal persons , persons that attack other people without reasons are not NORMAL . And they should be in mental hospital , I dont know what point of that sentence was not right ... About self defending situation , I broke arm and teeth to guy that came whole in leather , like leather pants , jacket with gel on his hair and with intention to beat me . Do you know how did he returned to his family ? In ambulance car ! When I must react , than I do not choose instrumentality , because - "Goal justifies instrumentality" - Nicolo Machiaveli

Do not double post. Use the multiquote button. ~Typhlosion

[Typhlosion]

There are different kinds of abuse ... In 90% of them , it is psychological abuse , like divorce threat , or like child keeping in case of divorce or 50% of family finances acquired through years in marriage goes to woman in case of divorce ... Maximum 5% are like physical abuse ...

Sorry. Domestic violence. The number's the same (USDJ, 2002):


Of the almost 3.5 million violent crimes committed against family members, 49% of these were crimes against spouses.
84% of spouse abuse victims were females, and 86% of victims of dating partner abuse at were female.

[Vlerchan]

What , you think that persons with surplus of some opposite gender hormone are normal ?
I think that such woman are still woman.

Which was my point.

Persons that do not like their gender , and trans gender persons , you think that they are normal ?
Normal behaviour is socially defined.

It doesn't exist outside your imagination.

Yes, to your question, anyway.

You say that you saw that kind of situation , where woman kicks guy's ass ? Maybe she was defending against maniac or some sick guy ..
She wasn't.

But regardless of motives I'm just looking to make the point that your blanket statements are irrational.

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Do you see a problem with my proposal? Feel free to critique it.

[Dennis98]

Sorry. Domestic violence. The number's the same (USDJ, 2002):

And what , are you trying to convince me to believe in that ? Now in 21st century , every fool can write some information on net and introduce like member of some organisation . If you can send me original letter of UN , about these kind of information with stamp and signature , maybe I could believe , in this case , NO . Internet is full of liars , basically on every corner ..

I think that such woman are still woman.

Which was my point.


Normal behaviour is socially defined.

It doesn't exist outside your imagination.

Yes, to your question, anyway.


She wasn't.

But regardless of motives I'm just looking to make the point that your blanket statements are irrational.

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Do you see a problem with my proposal? Feel free to critique it.


Than marry some hairy woman that makes her horny to act like male ... xD
Second , I would really like to debate more with anyone , but due the my not perfect English , I really can not .. I could do it on Serbian , maybe to debate hours and hours . So , understand me . Everything other is different people opinion , I consider my opinion right , you consider your opinion right . It is totally OK , World would be boring without differences ( but normal differences , like , skin color , opinion , nationality , religion , gender ) .As I can not make you rightist , you can not make me leftist . It is always my pleasure to debate on this forum , especially with you , we have always different opinions , which is good in fact , because we are meeting new cultures and people ... BUT , MOST IMPORTANT THING IN ALL THIS IS NOT OUR OPINION , IT IS MOST IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE AGAINST VIOLENCE IN FAMILY , AND VIOLENCE TOWARDS WOMAN .... Regards

Please do not double post. Use the 'multiquote' button instead. ~Typhlosion

[Vlerchan]

Than marry some hairy woman that makes her horny to act like male ... xD
Ironically my girlfriend is actually bisexual.

She's not hairy though.

As I can not make you rightist , you can not make me leftist.
You don't need to do this.

You just need to provide a reasonable argument to support your claims.

BUT , MOST IMPORTANT THING IN ALL THIS IS NOT OUR OPINION , IT IS MOST IMPORTANT THAT WE ARE AGAINST VIOLENCE IN FAMILY , AND VIOLENCE TOWARDS WOMAN.
I'm against both these things.

My argument though is that when I'm against men hitting woman it has nothing to do with them having vaginas.

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I also understand it must be difficult to debate outside your native tongue. Thanks for making the effort regardless.

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[E]very fool can write some information on net and introduce like member of some organisation .
Typhlosion's statistics where published by the United States Department for Justice. I can link to the original source if you want. These statistics are as legitimate as they get:

Female-on-male domestic violence in the home is a serious issue.

[Typhlosion]

And what , are you trying to convince me to believe in that ? Now in 21st century , every fool can write some information on net and introduce like member of some organisation . If you can send me original letter of UN , about these kind of information with stamp and signature , maybe I could believe , in this case , NO . Internet is full of liars , basically on every corner ..

USDJ: United States Department of Justice. Not some dude on the net.

The ABS (Australia) has an even more interesting 58%: http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/ausstats/subscriber.nsf/0/96D24600F95E026ACA257839000E060C/$File/45300_2009_10.pdf

If that's too western for you, here's the Slovenian situation... 85% on anything but women.

Furthermore, violent individuals are in 46,55% the husbands, 16,8% fathers and stepfathers, 9,91% parents, 2,83 ex partners, 6,07% the sons (Kozmik, Vera and Dobnikar, Mojca (1999): “Dossier: Violence Against Women”, Office for Equal Opportunities of the Republic of Slovenia).

[Dennis98]

USDJ: United States Department of Justice. Not some dude on the net.

The ABS (Australia) has an even more interesting 58%: http://www.ausstats.abs.gov.au/ausstats/subscriber.nsf/0/96D24600F95E026ACA257839000E060C/$File/45300_2009_10.pdf

If that's too western for you, here's the Slovenian situation... 85% on anything but women.

Kozmik, Vera and Dobnikar, Mojca (1999): “Dossier: Violence Against Women”, Office for Equal Opportunities of the Republic of Slovenia).

Unusual and very , very interesting ...

[Miserabilia]

Unusual and very , very interesting ...

Appearently not as unusual as you think. Do you think this changes your views in any way?

[NeuroTiger]

Violence is certainly not something acceptable...especially inter-gender violence.

[Human]

No one should hit anyone in the first place, but if a girl hit me, I'd probably hit her back

[normalperson]

in my opinion anyone who's asking for it should get regardless of genitalia or none. (i'm saying this for any people including non males and non females)

sorry if i sound weird.