Chrisitanity is a false religion; It is there to enslave you

[jimmyc]

the actual truth is, I agree with almost everything Jesus said. HE, if he actually existed, was a really important guy, and his ideas were powerful enough that christianity was running hard against paganism in Rome.

So, even though Constantine was a life-long pagan, he pulled the greatest marketing stunt in history: he combined pagan symbolism with christian lore and made the modern version of christianity, then made it the official state religion.

In one fell swoop, the christians were happy and considered constantine a christian hero, and the pagans were happy because they didn't give a shit about the details, just that all the same traditions were there.

But, in the end, people don't die and come back to life, they don't walk on water, and they don't give birth to babies without having sex. Therefore, since modern christianity rests on the (to me) silly idea that jesus christ rose from the dead and died for our sins... no... i'm not a christian.

I have indeed read the whole bible. Even though my church (greek orthodox) never asked me to, and they only centered on what they considered the important bits (most denominations do that, ie we never discussed revelations).

However, I did read it because I wanted to know the whole thing. And what I found was that if this yahweh dude did exist, he was an asshole. Killing innocent first-borns, flooding entire planets, raining fire and brimstone... i mean damn!

Then, as you get into the new testament, you find that he's changed his mind and decided to save us all simply by asking us to believe that his only begotten son died for our sins. Of course, if you don't believe that, you fall into a pit of fiery hell for all eternity... supposedly out of god's control, of course, even though he created and retains control of the entire universe - interesting how that works.

Of course, just reading the bible, to me, isn't enough justification to believe in christianity. I think tha tto really understand it, you have to read studies of the history behind the whole thing as well. I'd recommend "a history of god" by karen armstrong and "the jesus mysteries" by timothy freke and peter gandy

by the way, i'd recommend studying the stories of attis, osiris/dionysis, and especially mythra. You'll find that they share some SHOCKING similarities to the story of jesus

plus, they all came before :)

also, read genesis and you'll see that there are two very different creation stories, now known to be written by more than one person, and god refers to itself as "we" several times

then, read matthew, mark, luke, and john and see that they have differing stories. For instance, jesus is said to have been of the line of king david, right? and this is proven in I believe two different books, wherein two different lineages tie david to joseph

but... joseph isn't jesus' father! remember? that whole virgin birth thing?

[TheWizard]

So true :)

[AC.wAkeBoArDin.06]

i believe some religions are scams....

[boognish]

i believe all religions are fake and illusions created by aliens bent on controling us

[Anonymous]

Yeah? Then start working on christmas, and stop being a hypocrite.

[TheWizard]

What is NCP?

[Skittle Flavored]

i hate these religion topics.....there is no PROOF that 1 religion is true or false....and dude....it says miricals happen...i think most of those are miricals....

[Anonymous]

What is NCP?

The NCP is too abstract for you to understand.

[TheWizard]

oh

[Anonymous]

Yeah, that's right.

[TheWizard]

The fact that there was miricals proves that LSD dates back at least 2000 years. :)

[Anonymous]

I believe it was Benjamin Franklin who once said, "Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy."

[Skittle Flavored]

The fact that there was miricals proves that LSD dates back at least 2000 years. :)

lol

[TheWizard]

:bigsmile:

[Skittle Flavored]

...u are seriously going 2 put me through tharipy...i swear....:D..see? i have a SMALL 1...u have a HUGE 1...:D

[TheWizard]

Type ": bigsmile :" without the spaces.

[Skittle Flavored]

:bigsmile:

[Skittle Flavored]

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!

[TheWizard]

:bigsmile:

[Skittle Flavored]

ok, thats enough smiles now..

[boognish]

dear god, we have lost it...

[Skittle Flavored]

...help me...

[MTHM616]

I'm actually at a Christian college... Wasn't religious at all growing up... Never went to a church. Comes time to go to college, and my parents are all "go where we went!" and they basically make me go here... Believe it or not, this is changing me... in a way that most people wouldn't expect... It's almost making me doubt Christianity even more... We had a lecture today in my biology class about how we're "becoming less Christian"... I don't know how to feel any more... I'm very confused... :shock: :?

[Skittle Flavored]

who isnt?

[MTHM616]

LOL, good point. :wink:

[TheWizard]

:bigsmile:

lol to those who believe in the man in the sky.

[TheWizard]

hehe :bigsmile:

[TheWizard]

hehe :bigsmile:

[TheWizard]

hehe :bigsmile:

[TheWizard]

hehe :bigsmile:

[TheWizard]

hehe :bigsmile:

[TheWizard]

hehe :bigsmile:

[MTHM616]

:bigsmile:

[Whisper]

Go Josh it's your birthday,
we gonna party like it's your birthday,
we gonna sip bacardi like it's your birthday,
and you know we don't give a f*** it's not your birthday!!!!

:bigsmile:

[Kiros]

lol, code be pimpin

[seditawi]

Ok I have something to say

What if you are right and there is no christianity, and there is no God, and Christ never came. What happens after he dies, nothing. He dosn't go to God's heaven or Satan's Hell. He is completely gone his soul body and spirit. But suppose that I am right and there is a God. And Christ came to save us from our sins. Well then I, believing in Christ will go to heaven, and you denying that he exists will go to hell. I would rather believe in a place where there is hope than that we just disapear or something after we die.

This is on the subject that ALL beliefs evolution, christianity, any are all by chance.

Sorry christians out there that was kind of a worldly view on things

[boognish]

very well thought out except for and i quote:

...there is no God, and Christ never came. What happens after he dies, nothing....
if christ never came, how would he die? hmmm....never exsited he wouldnt die. i believe he was real but i dont believe that he was the son of god. and i dont believe that when mary got pregnant and still swore that god knocked her up that joseph would still stay with her. but i dont believe in hevan or hell. you saying that you hope taht there is an afterlife, but based on how this religon is based today there would be baley anyone going to heaven now, if you were to die today, would you go to heaven or hell? ask your self that and then ask what you did that is so horrible tath you deserve an eternity of pain and suffering?. what i believe in is reincarnation. that when we die we are reborn in another body.

[Dante]

look, we all belive in different things, me personally i belive jesus is my lord and savior.

[My_Toes_Are_Cold]

Jimmyc, don't post shit like this. It pisses people off. Although you are exactly correct, and I found this out when 2 years ago, you got people who are agnostic saying maybe, but there is maybe still something there, major christ believers screaming to ban you. I believe that all religions are complete bullshit, except for Buddhism. In Buddhism, there's no God, no Heaven or Hell, nothing like that.


In Buddhism, you basically follow 9 rules, such as "Do not Steal", "Do not Kill", or "Do not use sex for personal gain". Look up all of them, if you wish. If you fail, you do not go to Hell. If you fail, you are just reincarnated into another body, and must live out that life without failing. If you succeed, you go to a place called Nirvana. Which is basically a place where you feel light-headed and high for the rest of eternity.

I can't do that in this life, though, because I am too corrupt... Corrupt at age 11... Calling Guiness right now.

As a note I'd like to place that I'm 13 right now.

[My_Toes_Are_Cold]

Jimmyc, don't post shit like this. It pisses people off. Although you are exactly correct, and I found this out when 2 years ago, you got people who are agnostic saying maybe, but there is maybe still something there, major christ believers screaming to ban you. I believe that all religions are complete bullshit, except for Buddhism. In Buddhism, there's no God, no Heaven or Hell, nothing like that.


In Buddhism, you basically follow 9 rules, such as "Do not Steal", "Do not Kill", or "Do not use sex for personal gain". Look up all of them, if you wish. If you fail, you do not go to Hell. If you fail, you are just reincarnated into another body, and must live out that life without failing. If you succeed, you go to a place called Nirvana. Which is basically a place where you feel light-headed and high for the rest of eternity.

I can't do that in this life, though, because I am too corrupt... Corrupt at age 11... Calling Guiness right now.

As a note I'd like to place that I'm 13 right now.

[seditawi]

like I said If you are right nothin happens to me, but If I am right and there is a God and Christ did come to die for our sins I go to heaven and people who deny God will, I am sad to say, go to Hell. Our Job as Christians is to save as many people from Hell as posible. If you still don't want to believe I guess that is your disission, but I am going to believe where there is hope.

[TheWizard]

:roll:

[Whisper]

:roll:

I agree Josh :roll: :roll:

[boognish]

why is it christians jobs to save us?

[Whisper]

Who says we need saving.

God is nuthing but an imaginary friend for adults, you don't see me killing a childs imaginary friend so I'll leave this...."God" alone but don't expect me to beilive in him.

[TheWizard]

I don't believe either. You live and then you die and become maget food. Its a natural process.

[boognish]

i agree, but maggots are discusting, i perfer worms

[My_Toes_Are_Cold]

I don't believe either. You live and then you die and become maget food. Its a natural process.

Maggot, not maget. And yeah, that's what I was gonna post.


Life sucks, and then you die. SO SHUT THE FUCK UP AND LIVE IT!!!


Amen.

[Dante]

i belive that we do have spirits, and that when we die, our souls leave our bodies, but thats just me.

[seditawi]

I don't believe either. You live and then you die and become maget food. Its a natural process.

Maggot, not maget. And yeah, that's what I was gonna post.


Life sucks, and then you die. SO SHUT THE FUCK UP AND LIVE IT!!!


Amen.
So nothing happens after you die, ok, so I die believing in God and nothing happens to me either, but if what I believe is true I will go to heaven.

[seditawi]

my soul not my body, but when Christ comes again I will be reunited with my body.

[boognish]

yeah, how much worse could have it been at noahs ark compared to todays world??

[seditawi]

You people have obviously not read the Bible, to debate, you must know both sides of the debate, I have done my research on evelution, and it is possible, but not likely.

yeah, how much worse could have it been at noahs ark compared to todays world??

that is why God is going to destroy the earth with fire next time, instead of water.

lets say Noah's Ark really did happen. I'd love for it to happen again.

Well it can't happen again the cannopy of water, that surrounded the earth fell when all that rain fell. before the flood, there was no rain, God provided for all the peoples needs. That is also why people lived longer before the flood, because the cannopy kept ultraviolet rays that destroy the body's cells from hitting the earth.

drugs, suicide, hunger, death all ruin this world.

tell me one christian, (not a proffesing christian, but a true christian) that died of one of those reasons, except hunger. (1) A true christian would not commit suicide, because he has the love and joy that comes from God. (2) A true christian would not do drugs, because he finds happyness in the Lord, and does not need drugs to make him happy.

people are the root of the problem

This is where I agree, but it is "corrupt" people who cause this. Has a true Christian ever killed anybody.(after they were saved, and for unholy reasons) Has a true Christian ever sold sombody drugs, has a true christian ever made a bomb threat. NO, no, no.

see my point.

[Whisper]

You people have obviously not read the Bible, to debate, you must know both sides of the debate, I have done my research on evelution, and it is possible, but not likely.

that is why God is going to destroy the earth with fire next time, instead of water.

Well it can't happen again the cannopy of water, that surrounded the earth fell when all that rain fell. before the flood, there was no rain, God provided for all the peoples needs. That is also why people lived longer before the flood, because the cannopy kept ultraviolet rays that destroy the body's cells from hitting the earth.

tell me one christian, (not a proffesing christian, but a true christian) that died of one of those reasons, except hunger. (1) A true christian would not commit suicide, because he has the love and joy that comes from God. (2) A true christian would not do drugs, because he finds happyness in the Lord, and does not need drugs to make him happy.

This is where I agree, but it is "corrupt" people who cause this. Has a true Christian ever killed anybody.(after they were saved, and for unholy reasons) Has a true Christian ever sold sombody drugs, has a true christian ever made a bomb threat. NO, no, no.

see my point.

:roll: Jesus :roll:
I take religon....I'm forced to study the bible....I get good marks in it but there is no way in hell any of its true! I'm sorry but it's a complete load of crap.

[seditawi]

how do you come to the conclusion it is not true, or is it that you just don't like the standards that it puts on you.

[seditawi]

If its the standards, look at me, I probably have a lot more fun in life than you. I have no social burdens or anything.

[Whisper]

how do you come to the conclusion it is not true,
Have you taken a good look at it, like I mean a good look not when your drunk or brain washed, everybody wants to belive that there life has meaning, that theres this big al incompacing diety/god (w/e you wanna call him) that loves them, forgives them for everything that they've ever done or will do and will grant them eternal happiness but COME ON wake up!!
or is it that you just don't like the standards that it puts on you.

HAHAHA I like you!!!! :P

[seditawi]

ohh, you bring up a very good point.

well, have you ever seen a christian that is unhappy.

This also takes me back what I said a week or two ago. that I would rather believe where there is hope that I will go to heaven, and that I will have eternal life.

Also, our purpose, is nothing more, than to comune with God, and have a life with God as your friend.

And I can't get drunk I am only 14

[Whisper]

ohh, you bring up a very good point.
Of course I do. jk lol :D

well, have you ever seen a christian that is unhappy
Yes I have seen many, many very unhappy Christians.

And I can't get drunk I am only 14
It's a ligitimate Q many kids drink at 14.

I just can't see how anything so far fetched could be real :? :? :? I belive in science, in facts.

[seditawi]

Well there is no fact, because evelution has no fact behind it and Creation has no fact behind it, it is just a "leap of Faith"

Quote:
well, have you ever seen a christian that is unhappy

Yes I have seen many, many very unhappy Christians.


(1) I meant true christians (2) I meant not mourning (there is a difference) (3) I meant unhappy with their lives. there is no "true" christian that is unhappy with their lives. For if he is unhappy with his life, then he is Probably not a true christian

[Waiting]

hey guess wut seditawi.. everything ur wrote on this forum makes me sick. ur saying that people who believe in christ have better lives which isn't true. and im 13 and i drink. and guess wut, lol i don't believe in god or c hrist, i hate them both and guess wut, i'll probably end up living a better life then you ne way cuz u r so brainwashed on thinking that this world is perfect with "the lord" :twisted: satan is my god and christ sux

silly boy,
although i am an atheist aswell...you shouldnt worship the devil,
becuase all that ends up with is a whole lot of shit...
people are enititled to have thier own beliefs about christ/god or watever

[Lost_and_fallen]

Seditawi, you're a christian yes? Can I just ask why you visit this site?
You said no true christian is unhappy with their life but the majority of people here are unhappy with their lives. That's why they come here.
I may have this all wrong as I only just read this thread but I was just wondering....

[seditawi]

Seditawi, you're a christian yes? Can I just ask why you visit this site?
You said no true christian is unhappy with their life but the majority of people here are unhappy with their lives. That's why they come here.
I may have this all wrong as I only just read this thread but I was just wondering....
I come here, because I enjoy comunication, in the other parts of this place. This is just one of the areas that make me fustrated.

Just because I am a Christian, doesn't mean I'm not allowed to have fun and post things here or there, I'm not only a member of this forum but of at least 6 others, I own 4 different websites, Help in the creation of 1, and listen to music, but those things are meager commpared to the enjoyment that I will get from heaven.

Like I said its a leap of faith in whatever religion, or whatever you belive. No one was there when the earth was created, so we don't have written history. So we can't state for "fact" that it was one way. we can only hypothesise. But If there is no life after death, (such as evelution state) what have I lost from being a christian, I'm happy. But if there is a life after death in heaven (as in Chritianity) I will be there with my Lord, with a better life than on the earth. Its all what you want to believe in, me I would rather believe where there is hope.

[advent_child]

Any religon, even athiesm requires some leap of faith
and HOW DARE YOU INSULT MY BELIFES Constantine turned christan. and there are several hundred different religons under christianity. Im catholic.Some are baptist. But you are lost.

[Shaolin]

Any religon, even athiesm requires some leap of faith
and HOW DARE YOU INSULT MY BELIFES Constantine turned christan. and there are several hundred different religons under christianity. Im catholic.Some are baptist. But you are lost.

You aren't very good at debating, no one wins and your opinion won't be respected if you just throw insults at others.

I believe in no religion, and im certainly not lost.

[advent_child]

Then dont diss ppl just because of their belifes, this is a sensative issue and i am the best debater in my class: however i have learned that there are stupid people who are there to make ppl feel as bad as they do. I dont like to debate in forums because it is long and slow. u said it no one wins and what was written was very offensive. it is ok to say what you belive, but all that crap about constanine was mostly false. dont debate about stuff you cant proove. sorry i dissed u but i am pissed

[advent_child]

wait a minute im not even talking to you!!!!!! i was talkin to the dude that wrote the forum. dont join scruffels that u have no place in

[1337 Man]

I am a Christian, and I am incredibly offended by this topic.

[maximan]

We're sorry? Everyone has a right to express their opinion, and its this persons opinion that Christianity is false. You'll have to deal with it.







Thats my opinoin too, sorry :?

[advent_child]

well i respect that, but i cannot tolerate someone saying that christianaty is there to enslave you.

[maximan]

Well dont complain about it, that will only deteriorate peoples opinions of you.

[Jono]

Here's an idea. Call me crazy.

Christians - give reasons why you are against this question

Non-Christians - give reasons why you are for this question.

Don't take things personally, don't argue too much and debate it. Any nastyness will get this locked.

And DO remember that not everyone is just like you. You may believe one thing, but many others don't.

[coryjordanlover]

ok I'm a Roman Catholic I think (I dunno I guess I am w.e my dad is) but from what someone else said before, I think I wanna go Buddism lol jk, this is weird. I can't really debate w. you guys because I believe both sides kinda

[maximan]

Plus christianity is just going to fade out over time just like every other religion has. Back in greek times, the greeks thought their gods were real. Back in roman times, the romans thought their gods were real. Back in Egyptian times they thought their gods were real. They weren't. This'll fade out too.

[Dfsg]

How shall Christianity fade out? Our God has been worshiped far back into history. Prophets were proclaiming prophesies of Christs birth thousands of years before it happened.

There are some 300 prophesies of Christ's birth written in the old testament. ALL OF THEM came true- that is ALL OF THEM. The old testament was written long before the new. How could it get 300 prophesies about Emmanuel right if it weren't true?

In particular, there are 33 prophesies (give or take) about His birth alone. A mathmetition worked on this, and found out that the chances of Him being born according to the prophesies was 1:100,000,000,000,000,000 (That is one in every quadrillion). It has been likened to placing 1 sq foot tiles on every surface in the earth. One has a star painted on the underside. Your chances of picking that one at random are just about the same as Christ's being born.

Now, these prophesies were not written after His birth. Jews at the time, and hundreds of years before (after the time of Malachi in particular) knew about these prophesies. They were written in the holy books of the time. Only God can really make a 1:100,000,000,000,000,000 chance thing happen.

Jesus and His works are written in hundreds of first and second century texts. He is even in works by non-Christian writers. He was truely there. He fulfilled all of the prophesies. Billions have been touched by His light.

The TRUTH about fading Christianity is evident in fading morals, and less trust in the world. Life is much harder as fewer and fewer worship the Lord. People don't care anymore, and faith is put in fallable things. As Christianity fades, so does our country. As Christianity fades, the end of the world draws nearer.

Christianity totally fading, however. There is a reawakening after the 60s-90s saw slumps. Christian radio is proclaiming his word. Christian TV is slowly taking some of the airwaves. Christian gatherings are becoming stronger and stronger. I have worshiped with 70,000 people at once- 70,000 communing at once. It is an amazing thing. I have seen my closest friend accept the Lord and have his life changed forever. Amazing things happen- even Miracles now and then. Christianity isn't fading.

So while many teens spurn the idea of Christianity and try to keep its light from their faces, others are learning and growing in faith. While some teens dive into a life of sex, drugs, alcohol, and other impurities, others are keeping pure and keeping the Lord at the top of their list. These are the ones who will have eternal life. It's never too late to join 'em.

Praise the Lord!

[maximan]

See, but the Greeks, Romans, Egyptians, and everyone else also thought oh, but this time, OUR religion is right! So you'll never know. Plus it ended up that none of the stuff they believed in had ever happened, so how can we be sure christ ever exsisted? Yes, there are "accounts" of him being alive, but there were also accounts of people going to MT. Olympus and seeing Zeus. :roll:

[Dfsg]

The flaw in your rebuttle is that the Jews thought they were right, and their prophesies would come true-

And they did. EVERY SINGLE ONE- that's right, not one prophesy about Jesus's birth, life, and resurection wasn't fulfilled. He was a Nazareean, a Galillean, born in Bethlehem, of the Line of David, in the House of Jesse, a priest of the Order of Melkizedek, he fled the country (to Egypt), and a whole host of things. They all were prophesied in early writings, and they all happened.

The accounts I mentioned are just extra proof, or extra evidence, as would be the aproprate term for a debate.

The strongest proof that I have in the Lord is not the factual, philosophical, and intellectual arguments about His existance, but simply seeing what He can do in my life and the life of those around me. I have gotten through dark times only with His help. I noticed that when things are getting rough, it usually means I haven't prayed recently, or I have slipped out of focused worship. When I keep God in my life, He protects me. If I stray from His mercy, and then come back, it is like the prodigal son, He helps me though the dark and into the light. God answers 100% of prayers, and don't try to argue agaisnt that. I have seen a friend going though bad times take the Lord into his heart and do much better. I have seen an aunt move from a life of no purpose filled with immoral practices, turn to a life of love, purity, and filled with the grace that only Jesus Christ can give.

There's the facts (and a whole heap of em that I haven't even started to scratch the surface of), and then there is that little bit extra that proves to me that there is a Lord.

[maximan]

But there are no facts that quote unquote "he" exists. Back in the day there were religious scripts about the titans fall to zeus and the olympians. But they were false. And plus, the bible was written years and years after "jesus" died. So how is this proof?

[Dfsg]

Actually, the Bible was written from thousands of years before Christ until about 100 years after. :P


The greeks and romans can be shown to be incorrect for the simple reason that the religions don't exist anymore. People will stop worshiping false gods eventually. Hebrews. and later on Christians, have been worshiping our God since the time of Abraham. They continue to worship Him since He is actually there. Christians reap the benefits of their Christianity every day, we just know He's real. It's something I guess you just can't know unless you are a Christian.

There's no way to really build faith upon facts, but nonetheless, the facts are still there.

[maximan]

Faith or religion will never be fact. You can never prove "he" or whatever exists, but I understand why people believe in a god. It's somewhere to turn for help, comfort, for a reason to live and otherwise. It's human tendancy to look for comfort when in a bad situation, and thats what a god gives them. It also explains the unexplainable. So SOMEDAY christianty, islam, and jeudeism will all fade out, but until then, more power to those who have faith.

faith n.

1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

from Dictionary.com

[1337 Man]

Plus christianity is just going to fade out over time just like every other religion has. Back in greek times, the greeks thought their gods were real. Back in roman times, the romans thought their gods were real. Back in Egyptian times they thought their gods were real. They weren't. This'll fade out too.

Greeks: Conquered by Romans
Egyptians: Conquered by Romans

The Romans forced their beliefs on the Egyptians and Greeks. Christians make up about a third of all mankind, so what's that, 2 billion people? I highly doubt anybody will have the power to change the faith of 2 billion people, not to mention that one of the most Christian countries in the world, the US, has a hugeass military, and would bomb the fuck out of anyone who tries to invade us.

[1337 Man]

Faith or religion will never be fact. You can never prove "he" or whatever exists, but I understand why people believe in a god. It's somewhere to turn for help, comfort, for a reason to live and otherwise. It's human tendancy to look for comfort when in a bad situation, and thats what a god gives them. It also explains the unexplainable. So SOMEDAY christianty, islam, and jeudeism will all fade out, but until then, more power to those who have faith.

faith n.

1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence.

from Dictionary.com

Then your bullshit atheism is also "faith", and will also "fade away".

[maximan]

No, because athiesm is LACK of faith. Things that didnt exist in the first place can't fade out :lol:

[Dfsg]

Yet, you need lots of faith to be an atheist.

[maximan]

Not really. I'm atheist because everything else is crap, in my opinion. I don't believe in any of it.

I guess thats' kind of believeing in something, but we're starting to get into some deep phsycological stuff here :?

[boognish]

also a point that maximan didnt make is that if there is a god, trying to birng us to bliss and make us become better people. then what about hitler? what about the CRUSADES? what about sadam, osama, bush? if there is a god, goddammit has he fucked up royaly so many times. also the chritsians and all other religions are stupid, instead of living your life to the fullest, instead of furthering your self, insead of plainly having a life you choose the easy way out, hey ill pray to this guy and for no reason he'll put me in bliss. bull crap. people who have faith in a god have are normal, people that worship a god are insane. the man(s) god could give a rats-ass about 1 person out of zillions of others in the entire universe. worshipers live in a world of forced ocd, you must do this, this, never this and then you can have bliss. people that accept others are profound people that are prejiduced towards others because of race, religon, age are dim-witted. people that can free themselves from restrictions can become great. people that willinglg WILLINGLY join a restriction become nothing. religon is a restriction. but then you might say oh max your being prejiduced towards worshipers. no, im pitying you, i seriously feel sorry for those that join a religion and Worship but i dont pity those that join for teaching. yes, the one thing i find good about religion is how they teach acctually some good morals. the moral that masterbating is a sin and if you dont repent you will live the rest of your life in the deepest pits of hell...not so much, i dont like that. good values(some) bad way of teaching them. the stories are god...for 4 yr olds. this is all im going to say for now, let this soak in and breathe the enlightenment

[Dfsg]

You bring up the age old question: Why do good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people?

The answer is that God can't put us in bliss. He gave us free will. We are not subserviant to God unless we choose to be. It is Hitler's free will take took control of people's lives and ended them. Those in the Crusades chose to go there. It was free will.

God may not have wanted Hitler to kill off millions of people, and He may not have wanted the crusades, but He won't stop us from doing what we want. We are the ones who have to decide to be good people. We are the ones who have to have a generous free will, a kind free will, and a morally correct free will. If there is any evil in this world, it is created by us.

Religions, in your opinion, are bad because they don't do what you like. You'd like them to be one way, but they aren't. I'd like to be able to live a life of supreme sin, but my Christianity keeps me from that. God knows how to keep us safe, and if we ask for his will to be done, it will happen. I am restricted from immoral behavior in my religion, but I am also kept safe from the negative reprocussions of that behavior. I don't find a problem with that restriciton.

If a police officer restricted you from walking onto a firing range, that's a GOOD restriction. The same thing is with God. Only bad things are restricted.

[boognish]

what you just said there at the end is completely off from what you said. at the begining you basically said got does not restricet us, he gives us free will and he will let us do what we wnat. reward the god and unish the bad. but you turned from that and related god to a police officer stoping you from entering a firing range. a police officer does not reward you for listening and he does punish you fro not though. he will physically force you not to. god does not. if you make a bad decision god lets you be god could care less. a police man is more of the god you worship than the god you prech. the police man trys to save your life. the god will not, the crusades were not optional anyways. the men were forced to fight. i dont see any restrictions from god stopping hitler from killing like 6 million jews. or him stopping the crusades. just 2 events that your "restrictions on bad things" should have stopped. all the things that he might have stopped werent because god seems to be racist. yes god hates musliums and jews. when you really look at the facts and the "bible" truths it makes sence.

i dont think religons are bad they just dont go about what they "say" they are trying to do the way that wouldnt get people to go and kill each other for. did you even read everything i wrote?

[1337 Man]

what you just said there at the end is completely off from what you said. at the begining you basically said got does not restricet us, he gives us free will and he will let us do what we wnat. reward the god and unish the bad. but you turned from that and related god to a police officer stoping you from entering a firing range. a police officer does not reward you for listening and he does punish you fro not though. he will physically force you not to. god does not. if you make a bad decision god lets you be god could care less. a police man is more of the god you worship than the god you prech. the police man trys to save your life. the god will not, the crusades were not optional anyways. the men were forced to fight. i dont see any restrictions from god stopping hitler from killing like 6 million jews. or him stopping the crusades. just 2 events that your "restrictions on bad things" should have stopped. all the things that he might have stopped werent because god seems to be racist. yes god hates musliums and jews. when you really look at the facts and the "bible" truths it makes sence.

i dont think religons are bad they just dont go about what they "say" they are trying to do the way that wouldnt get people to go and kill each other for. did you even read everything i wrote?

The police officer is enforcing God's will. Saying the police officer is the one I worship is completely blasphemous.

[TheWizard]

If god is real he's a bad god for letting all the wars, killings of children, etc.

Besides its just an old story written by uneducated arabs.

[1337 Man]

If god is real he's a bad god for letting all the wars, killings of children, etc.

Besides its just an old story written by uneducated arabs.

No, He gave us free will. Those of us who use it correctly and follow His laws will go to heaven. Then there are those who choose to rebel against Him, and start wars, kill children, etc. So, He has not been a bad god, but rather, we have been bad people.

And your "It's an old story written by uneducated people" has no credibility. If some jackass had written that He did not exist a long time ago, would you discredit him if it was old, and instead follow God?

[maximan]

Why do you capitolize "he"?

Will you get sent to hell if you don't?

But on a more serious note, do you believe that only christians go to heaven, or what's your stance on that?

[Dfsg]

No, if you don't capitalize His name, it's not condeming you.

It's just courtesy, and it sets He appart from he, for clarity.

As for the free will thing, yeah, you can do bad things, there are no restrictions for those who do not wish to follow God. But, if you are a true follower of the Lord, then you will follow His teaching. We are all sinners, but we strive to be better people.

[Dfsg]

Here's a question:

According to the topic, Christianity is here to enslave me. How is it doing this?

[1337 Man]

Why do you capitolize "he"?

Will you get sent to hell if you don't?

But on a more serious note, do you believe that only christians go to heaven, or what's your stance on that?

I believe that people with Christian values will get into heaven, but they don't have to be Christian. For example, a Muslim who follows their religion will get into heaven, whereas a satanist or atheist will not.

[maximan]

Why do you capitolize "he"?

Will you get sent to hell if you don't?

But on a more serious note, do you believe that only christians go to heaven, or what's your stance on that?

I believe that people with Christian values will get into heaven, but they don't have to be Christian. For example, a Muslim who follows their religion will get into heaven, whereas a satanist or atheist will not.

Oh okay, so I'm going to hell? :roll:

[maximan]

Here's a question:

According to the topic, Christianity is here to enslave me. How is it doing this?

It's convincing you that
(a) "God" exists when there is no substantial proof at all
(b) You need to capitolize the word he when referring to "god"
(c) its convincing you that you need to spend 2 hours every Sunday morning obsessing over questionable explinations for why the world is the way it is

[1337 Man]

Here's a question:

According to the topic, Christianity is here to enslave me. How is it doing this?

It's convincing you that
(a) "God" exists when there is no substantial proof at all
(b) You need to capitolize the word he when referring to "god"
(c) its convincing you that you need to spend 2 hours every Sunday morning obsessing over questionable explinations for why the world is the way it is

(a) You have no proof God doesn't exist.
(b) What's your point?
(c) It isn't. I'm Christian, but I don't attend church much. Being a Christian could just mean you follow Christian values.

[maximan]

Here's a question:

According to the topic, Christianity is here to enslave me. How is it doing this?

It's convincing you that
(a) "God" exists when there is no substantial proof at all
(b) You need to capitolize the word he when referring to "god"
(c) its convincing you that you need to spend 2 hours every Sunday morning obsessing over questionable explinations for why the world is the way it is

(a) You have no proof God doesn't exist.
(b) What's your point?
(c) It isn't. I'm Christian, but I don't attend church much. Being a Christian could just mean you follow Christian values.

(a) you have no proof god does exist. Lack of proof means something isnt real. I mean I could say "you have no proof santa claus doesnt exist!" But there's no proof for him, so therefore he doesnt exist. And don't say "gods miracles are everywhere!" or "the bible has stories...". First of all, we aren't gods miracles, we're the result of millions of years of evolution. Second of all, maybe all the things in the bible did happen. Maybe there was a god some time ago. But where has he been for the last 1000 years? He didn't show up in the dark ages when people were getting wrongfully slaughtered...and he's still yet to show his face. I think he went on vacation 8)

[Shaolin]

Yeah, Christians usually have a hard time explaining evolution, normally evolution doesn't exist in their book, or it was a print error between the NT and OT.

Personally i think people who follow religions are blind, they ignore the world for what it really is. I don't care how depressed they get, believing in a fake creations (served only to make people conform!) is just silly.

ALthough i really don't give a shit to be honest wether you believe in God, or Jesus.

Jesus was an arab jew, like most palestinians are (minus the jew)....

So what the fuck is up with your stupid ass WARS.

Preach on the soapbox all you want, no one (with logic) is listening.

[maximan]

:D

[boognish]

woot woot work it shaolin! yeah what he said plus the reason religion is here to enslave, what is it called when an overlord (i.e. god ok, God) that forces you to be punished (i.e. repnet or hell) for doings that he feels is you shouldnt have done (i.e. sins)

think about it

[1337 Man]

Yeah, Christians usually have a hard time explaining evolution, normally evolution doesn't exist in their book, or it was a print error between the NT and OT.

Personally i think people who follow religions are blind, they ignore the world for what it really is. I don't care how depressed they get, believing in a fake creations (served only to make people conform!) is just silly.

ALthough i really don't give a shit to be honest wether you believe in God, or Jesus.

Jesus was an arab jew, like most palestinians are (minus the jew)....

So what the fuck is up with your stupid ass WARS.

Preach on the soapbox all you want, no one (with logic) is listening.

If you've actually studied the Bible a bit, you'd realize the Adam and Eve/Noah's Ark stories are metaphorical, thus allowing evolution to happen.

[maximan]

Well, a lot of christians take the bible way too literally.

[1337 Man]

Time for some pwnage.

woot woot work it shaolin! yeah what he said plus the reason religion is here to enslave, what is it called when an overlord (i.e. god ok, God) that forces you to be punished (i.e. repnet or hell) for doings that he feels is you shouldnt have done (i.e. sins)

think about it

God has not punished since Christ's arrival, he has only rewarded. He's not forcing you to repent.

Well, a lot of christians take the bible way too literally.

And a lot of Christians are myopic rednecks that voted for Bush. See the connection?

I hate religions... they cause wars, discrimination and yes, they are enslaving. God didn't write the bible. It's full of lies and holes. I mean why would god make homosexuals if he wanted them to go to hell? Why do christians bellieve their religion is the only true religion when everyoone else believes the same about their own? +--

God did not write the bible, yes, but people wrote it with His assistance. As for the "holes and lies", those are all caused by mistranslations. There probably weren't any "holes" or "lies" in the original copies of the bible.

And God created homosexuals? What the hell are you smoking? Homosexuality is created by environmental conditions.

And even if God created homosexuals, and that's one huge if, homosexuals could still get to heaven - if they didn't act upon their attractions. Homosexual acts are condemned in several parts of the Bible, but attraction in people of the same sex is not. He's essentially expecting us to resist temptation.

[1337 Man]

God has not punished since Christ's arrival, he has only rewarded. He's not forcing you to repent.
How do you know that? The way I see it, god punishes and tortures people everyday.


And even if God created homosexuals, and that's one huge if, homosexuals could still get to heaven - if they didn't act upon their attractions. Homosexual acts are condemned in several parts of the Bible, but attraction in people of the same sex is not. He's essentially expecting us to resist temptation. It's not temtation. Some homosexuals are just born the way they are. All throughout history, you'll hear about homosexuality. It's not just something a person can change. There are gays that want to become straight but they can't becuase it's jjust the way they are... and if they want to act upon it, fine. What kind of god would say homosexuals are not allowed to enjoy passion,sex and romance just because they'd prefer it with the same sex... why is being straight nececarrily more pure than being gay?

God does not torture or punish. Only Satan tortures and punishes.

As for the homosexual argument, for one, anal sex is a perversion, which is forbidden. Also, you seem to forget that reproduction is important, but homosexuals cannot reproduce. That, is why they are considered impure.

[maximan]

God has not punished since Christ's arrival, he has only rewarded. He's not forcing you to repent.
How do you know that? The way I see it, god punishes and tortures people everyday.


And even if God created homosexuals, and that's one huge if, homosexuals could still get to heaven - if they didn't act upon their attractions. Homosexual acts are condemned in several parts of the Bible, but attraction in people of the same sex is not. He's essentially expecting us to resist temptation. It's not temtation. Some homosexuals are just born the way they are. All throughout history, you'll hear about homosexuality. It's not just something a person can change. There are gays that want to become straight but they can't becuase it's jjust the way they are... and if they want to act upon it, fine. What kind of god would say homosexuals are not allowed to enjoy passion,sex and romance just because they'd prefer it with the same sex... why is being straight nececarrily more pure than being gay?

God does not torture or punish. Only Satan tortures and punishes.

As for the homosexual argument, for one, anal sex is a perversion, which is forbidden. Also, you seem to forget that reproduction is important, but homosexuals cannot reproduce. That, is why they are considered impure.

Reproduction is only important to Catholics. Homosexuals are equals, and if we're allowed to act upon our temptations by gods "law", they should be able to too. And God knows all right? So he knows our future? So he knows that some kids who are born are going to become homosexuals? So he does nothing about this and just tells them that they're sinners and are going to hell if they're allowed to live their life? This is all a load of bull. :roll:

[1337 Man]

God has not punished since Christ's arrival, he has only rewarded. He's not forcing you to repent.
How do you know that? The way I see it, god punishes and tortures people everyday.


And even if God created homosexuals, and that's one huge if, homosexuals could still get to heaven - if they didn't act upon their attractions. Homosexual acts are condemned in several parts of the Bible, but attraction in people of the same sex is not. He's essentially expecting us to resist temptation. It's not temtation. Some homosexuals are just born the way they are. All throughout history, you'll hear about homosexuality. It's not just something a person can change. There are gays that want to become straight but they can't becuase it's jjust the way they are... and if they want to act upon it, fine. What kind of god would say homosexuals are not allowed to enjoy passion,sex and romance just because they'd prefer it with the same sex... why is being straight nececarrily more pure than being gay?

God does not torture or punish. Only Satan tortures and punishes.

As for the homosexual argument, for one, anal sex is a perversion, which is forbidden. Also, you seem to forget that reproduction is important, but homosexuals cannot reproduce. That, is why they are considered impure.

Reproduction is only important to Catholics. Homosexuals are equals, and if we're allowed to act upon our temptations by gods "law", they should be able to too. And God knows all right? So he knows our future? So he knows that some kids who are born are going to become homosexuals? So he does nothing about this and just tells them that they're sinners and are going to hell if they're allowed to live their life? This is all a load of bull. :roll:

You seem to be mistaken - people aren't born gay. They way they are raised might influence their sexuality when they grow older, but they're definitely not born that way. I could get in depth about this but that would stray too far off topic.

thank you!... that's the point Ive been trying to get across to everyone.

God doesnt exist anymore anyways. The way I see it, and the way other post-mortal atheists see it, us humans killed god. God took the form as jesus christ the day he was born to mary and when we decided to kill jesus, that was god's little test to see if we deserved his presence any longer. We abolished our own god. That's why he isn't there when we need him.

Wrong again. Jesus wasn't sent to Earth to test if we deserved His presence, it was because too many people were sinning. Jesus came here to educate us on what's wrong and what's right. When he died on the cross, it proved that God was willing to forgive us for even our greatest sins if we feel truly sorry for them and repent.

[TheWizard]

You must be schizophrenic like me.

[maximan]

God has not punished since Christ's arrival, he has only rewarded. He's not forcing you to repent.
How do you know that? The way I see it, god punishes and tortures people everyday.


And even if God created homosexuals, and that's one huge if, homosexuals could still get to heaven - if they didn't act upon their attractions. Homosexual acts are condemned in several parts of the Bible, but attraction in people of the same sex is not. He's essentially expecting us to resist temptation. It's not temtation. Some homosexuals are just born the way they are. All throughout history, you'll hear about homosexuality. It's not just something a person can change. There are gays that want to become straight but they can't becuase it's jjust the way they are... and if they want to act upon it, fine. What kind of god would say homosexuals are not allowed to enjoy passion,sex and romance just because they'd prefer it with the same sex... why is being straight nececarrily more pure than being gay?

God does not torture or punish. Only Satan tortures and punishes.

As for the homosexual argument, for one, anal sex is a perversion, which is forbidden. Also, you seem to forget that reproduction is important, but homosexuals cannot reproduce. That, is why they are considered impure.

Reproduction is only important to Catholics. Homosexuals are equals, and if we're allowed to act upon our temptations by gods "law", they should be able to too. And God knows all right? So he knows our future? So he knows that some kids who are born are going to become homosexuals? So he does nothing about this and just tells them that they're sinners and are going to hell if they're allowed to live their life? This is all a load of bull. :roll:

You seem to be mistaken - people aren't born gay. They way they are raised might influence their sexuality when they grow older, but they're definitely not born that way. I could get in depth about this but that would stray too far off topic.

thank you!... that's the point Ive been trying to get across to everyone.

God doesnt exist anymore anyways. The way I see it, and the way other post-mortal atheists see it, us humans killed god. God took the form as jesus christ the day he was born to mary and when we decided to kill jesus, that was god's little test to see if we deserved his presence any longer. We abolished our own god. That's why he isn't there when we need him.

Wrong again. Jesus wasn't sent to Earth to test if we deserved His presence, it was because too many people were sinning. Jesus came here to educate us on what's wrong and what's right. When he died on the cross, it proved that God was willing to forgive us for even our greatest sins if we feel truly sorry for them and repent.

I still don't understand "Jesus died for our sins" bullshit. No, he died because people crucified him. He didn't sit on the cross and go "okay people, I'm dying and you won't be sinners anymore". Plus, why would "god" make a man, then when people killed him say "okay, no more sins for you guys!" they KILLED him! HUMANS! KILLED HIM! And his "followers"? They didn't do anything about it.

Plus, "god" can't just make people. And its physically impossible for mary to have been a virgin if she had a freaking kid. Don't say "its one of gods miracles..." thats crap. I live by scientific fact, not bogus, impossible beliefs. I might as well say "well when I was born, I was already fluent in English. It was a miracle". Bah. :roll:

[1337 Man]

God has not punished since Christ's arrival, he has only rewarded. He's not forcing you to repent.
How do you know that? The way I see it, god punishes and tortures people everyday.


And even if God created homosexuals, and that's one huge if, homosexuals could still get to heaven - if they didn't act upon their attractions. Homosexual acts are condemned in several parts of the Bible, but attraction in people of the same sex is not. He's essentially expecting us to resist temptation. It's not temtation. Some homosexuals are just born the way they are. All throughout history, you'll hear about homosexuality. It's not just something a person can change. There are gays that want to become straight but they can't becuase it's jjust the way they are... and if they want to act upon it, fine. What kind of god would say homosexuals are not allowed to enjoy passion,sex and romance just because they'd prefer it with the same sex... why is being straight nececarrily more pure than being gay?

God does not torture or punish. Only Satan tortures and punishes.

As for the homosexual argument, for one, anal sex is a perversion, which is forbidden. Also, you seem to forget that reproduction is important, but homosexuals cannot reproduce. That, is why they are considered impure.

Reproduction is only important to Catholics. Homosexuals are equals, and if we're allowed to act upon our temptations by gods "law", they should be able to too. And God knows all right? So he knows our future? So he knows that some kids who are born are going to become homosexuals? So he does nothing about this and just tells them that they're sinners and are going to hell if they're allowed to live their life? This is all a load of bull. :roll:

You seem to be mistaken - people aren't born gay. They way they are raised might influence their sexuality when they grow older, but they're definitely not born that way. I could get in depth about this but that would stray too far off topic.

thank you!... that's the point Ive been trying to get across to everyone.

God doesnt exist anymore anyways. The way I see it, and the way other post-mortal atheists see it, us humans killed god. God took the form as jesus christ the day he was born to mary and when we decided to kill jesus, that was god's little test to see if we deserved his presence any longer. We abolished our own god. That's why he isn't there when we need him.

Wrong again. Jesus wasn't sent to Earth to test if we deserved His presence, it was because too many people were sinning. Jesus came here to educate us on what's wrong and what's right. When he died on the cross, it proved that God was willing to forgive us for even our greatest sins if we feel truly sorry for them and repent.

I still don't understand "Jesus died for our sins" bullshit. No, he died because people crucified him. He didn't sit on the cross and go "okay people, I'm dying and you won't be sinners anymore". Plus, why would "god" make a man, then when people killed him say "okay, no more sins for you guys!" they KILLED him! HUMANS! KILLED HIM! And his "followers"? They didn't do anything about it.

Plus, "god" can't just make people. And its physically impossible for mary to have been a virgin if she had a freaking kid. Don't say "its one of gods miracles..." thats crap. I live by scientific fact, not bogus, impossible beliefs. I might as well say "well when I was born, I was already fluent in English. It was a miracle". Bah. :roll:

No, Jesus died for our sins when he forgave us for crucifying him. No shit, he died because people crucified him. And his followers? They didn't do anything about it. Because they didn't want to be crucified as well.

As for the virgin Mary story - well, I can't disprove you on that :roll:

[maximan]

God has not punished since Christ's arrival, he has only rewarded. He's not forcing you to repent.
How do you know that? The way I see it, god punishes and tortures people everyday.


And even if God created homosexuals, and that's one huge if, homosexuals could still get to heaven - if they didn't act upon their attractions. Homosexual acts are condemned in several parts of the Bible, but attraction in people of the same sex is not. He's essentially expecting us to resist temptation. It's not temtation. Some homosexuals are just born the way they are. All throughout history, you'll hear about homosexuality. It's not just something a person can change. There are gays that want to become straight but they can't becuase it's jjust the way they are... and if they want to act upon it, fine. What kind of god would say homosexuals are not allowed to enjoy passion,sex and romance just because they'd prefer it with the same sex... why is being straight nececarrily more pure than being gay?

God does not torture or punish. Only Satan tortures and punishes.

As for the homosexual argument, for one, anal sex is a perversion, which is forbidden. Also, you seem to forget that reproduction is important, but homosexuals cannot reproduce. That, is why they are considered impure.

Reproduction is only important to Catholics. Homosexuals are equals, and if we're allowed to act upon our temptations by gods "law", they should be able to too. And God knows all right? So he knows our future? So he knows that some kids who are born are going to become homosexuals? So he does nothing about this and just tells them that they're sinners and are going to hell if they're allowed to live their life? This is all a load of bull. :roll:

You seem to be mistaken - people aren't born gay. They way they are raised might influence their sexuality when they grow older, but they're definitely not born that way. I could get in depth about this but that would stray too far off topic.

thank you!... that's the point Ive been trying to get across to everyone.

God doesnt exist anymore anyways. The way I see it, and the way other post-mortal atheists see it, us humans killed god. God took the form as jesus christ the day he was born to mary and when we decided to kill jesus, that was god's little test to see if we deserved his presence any longer. We abolished our own god. That's why he isn't there when we need him.

Wrong again. Jesus wasn't sent to Earth to test if we deserved His presence, it was because too many people were sinning. Jesus came here to educate us on what's wrong and what's right. When he died on the cross, it proved that God was willing to forgive us for even our greatest sins if we feel truly sorry for them and repent.

I still don't understand "Jesus died for our sins" bullshit. No, he died because people crucified him. He didn't sit on the cross and go "okay people, I'm dying and you won't be sinners anymore". Plus, why would "god" make a man, then when people killed him say "okay, no more sins for you guys!" they KILLED him! HUMANS! KILLED HIM! And his "followers"? They didn't do anything about it.

Plus, "god" can't just make people. And its physically impossible for mary to have been a virgin if she had a freaking kid. Don't say "its one of gods miracles..." thats crap. I live by scientific fact, not bogus, impossible beliefs. I might as well say "well when I was born, I was already fluent in English. It was a miracle". Bah. :roll:

No, Jesus died for our sins when he forgave us for crucifying him. No shit, he died because people crucified him. And his followers? They didn't do anything about it. Because they didn't want to be crucified as well.

As for the virgin Mary story - well, I can't disprove you on that :roll:

(1) How can you die for others sins. I don't get it. Do you just say "IM DYING FOR YOUR SINS" and then poof?
(2) How could he forgive people for crucifying him if he was DEAD?

[TheWizard]

1337 Man

[1337 Man]

God has not punished since Christ's arrival, he has only rewarded. He's not forcing you to repent.
How do you know that? The way I see it, god punishes and tortures people everyday.


And even if God created homosexuals, and that's one huge if, homosexuals could still get to heaven - if they didn't act upon their attractions. Homosexual acts are condemned in several parts of the Bible, but attraction in people of the same sex is not. He's essentially expecting us to resist temptation. It's not temtation. Some homosexuals are just born the way they are. All throughout history, you'll hear about homosexuality. It's not just something a person can change. There are gays that want to become straight but they can't becuase it's jjust the way they are... and if they want to act upon it, fine. What kind of god would say homosexuals are not allowed to enjoy passion,sex and romance just because they'd prefer it with the same sex... why is being straight nececarrily more pure than being gay?

God does not torture or punish. Only Satan tortures and punishes.

As for the homosexual argument, for one, anal sex is a perversion, which is forbidden. Also, you seem to forget that reproduction is important, but homosexuals cannot reproduce. That, is why they are considered impure.

Reproduction is only important to Catholics. Homosexuals are equals, and if we're allowed to act upon our temptations by gods "law", they should be able to too. And God knows all right? So he knows our future? So he knows that some kids who are born are going to become homosexuals? So he does nothing about this and just tells them that they're sinners and are going to hell if they're allowed to live their life? This is all a load of bull. :roll:

You seem to be mistaken - people aren't born gay. They way they are raised might influence their sexuality when they grow older, but they're definitely not born that way. I could get in depth about this but that would stray too far off topic.

thank you!... that's the point Ive been trying to get across to everyone.

God doesnt exist anymore anyways. The way I see it, and the way other post-mortal atheists see it, us humans killed god. God took the form as jesus christ the day he was born to mary and when we decided to kill jesus, that was god's little test to see if we deserved his presence any longer. We abolished our own god. That's why he isn't there when we need him.

Wrong again. Jesus wasn't sent to Earth to test if we deserved His presence, it was because too many people were sinning. Jesus came here to educate us on what's wrong and what's right. When he died on the cross, it proved that God was willing to forgive us for even our greatest sins if we feel truly sorry for them and repent.

I still don't understand "Jesus died for our sins" bullshit. No, he died because people crucified him. He didn't sit on the cross and go "okay people, I'm dying and you won't be sinners anymore". Plus, why would "god" make a man, then when people killed him say "okay, no more sins for you guys!" they KILLED him! HUMANS! KILLED HIM! And his "followers"? They didn't do anything about it.

Plus, "god" can't just make people. And its physically impossible for mary to have been a virgin if she had a freaking kid. Don't say "its one of gods miracles..." thats crap. I live by scientific fact, not bogus, impossible beliefs. I might as well say "well when I was born, I was already fluent in English. It was a miracle". Bah. :roll:

No, Jesus died for our sins when he forgave us for crucifying him. No shit, he died because people crucified him. And his followers? They didn't do anything about it. Because they didn't want to be crucified as well.

As for the virgin Mary story - well, I can't disprove you on that :roll:

(1) How can you die for others sins. I don't get it. Do you just say "IM DYING FOR YOUR SINS" and then poof?
(2) How could he forgive people for crucifying him if he was DEAD?

(1) If you haven't gotten it yet, I'm not going to waste my time explaining it again.
(2) What's that? Oh yeah, Jesus rose from the dead three days after he died.

[maximan]

God has not punished since Christ's arrival, he has only rewarded. He's not forcing you to repent.
How do you know that? The way I see it, god punishes and tortures people everyday.


And even if God created homosexuals, and that's one huge if, homosexuals could still get to heaven - if they didn't act upon their attractions. Homosexual acts are condemned in several parts of the Bible, but attraction in people of the same sex is not. He's essentially expecting us to resist temptation. It's not temtation. Some homosexuals are just born the way they are. All throughout history, you'll hear about homosexuality. It's not just something a person can change. There are gays that want to become straight but they can't becuase it's jjust the way they are... and if they want to act upon it, fine. What kind of god would say homosexuals are not allowed to enjoy passion,sex and romance just because they'd prefer it with the same sex... why is being straight nececarrily more pure than being gay?

God does not torture or punish. Only Satan tortures and punishes.

As for the homosexual argument, for one, anal sex is a perversion, which is forbidden. Also, you seem to forget that reproduction is important, but homosexuals cannot reproduce. That, is why they are considered impure.

Reproduction is only important to Catholics. Homosexuals are equals, and if we're allowed to act upon our temptations by gods "law", they should be able to too. And God knows all right? So he knows our future? So he knows that some kids who are born are going to become homosexuals? So he does nothing about this and just tells them that they're sinners and are going to hell if they're allowed to live their life? This is all a load of bull. :roll:

You seem to be mistaken - people aren't born gay. They way they are raised might influence their sexuality when they grow older, but they're definitely not born that way. I could get in depth about this but that would stray too far off topic.

thank you!... that's the point Ive been trying to get across to everyone.

God doesnt exist anymore anyways. The way I see it, and the way other post-mortal atheists see it, us humans killed god. God took the form as jesus christ the day he was born to mary and when we decided to kill jesus, that was god's little test to see if we deserved his presence any longer. We abolished our own god. That's why he isn't there when we need him.

Wrong again. Jesus wasn't sent to Earth to test if we deserved His presence, it was because too many people were sinning. Jesus came here to educate us on what's wrong and what's right. When he died on the cross, it proved that God was willing to forgive us for even our greatest sins if we feel truly sorry for them and repent.

I still don't understand "Jesus died for our sins" bullshit. No, he died because people crucified him. He didn't sit on the cross and go "okay people, I'm dying and you won't be sinners anymore". Plus, why would "god" make a man, then when people killed him say "okay, no more sins for you guys!" they KILLED him! HUMANS! KILLED HIM! And his "followers"? They didn't do anything about it.

Plus, "god" can't just make people. And its physically impossible for mary to have been a virgin if she had a freaking kid. Don't say "its one of gods miracles..." thats crap. I live by scientific fact, not bogus, impossible beliefs. I might as well say "well when I was born, I was already fluent in English. It was a miracle". Bah. :roll:

No, Jesus died for our sins when he forgave us for crucifying him. No shit, he died because people crucified him. And his followers? They didn't do anything about it. Because they didn't want to be crucified as well.

As for the virgin Mary story - well, I can't disprove you on that :roll:

(1) How can you die for others sins. I don't get it. Do you just say "IM DYING FOR YOUR SINS" and then poof?
(2) How could he forgive people for crucifying him if he was DEAD?

(1) If you haven't gotten it yet, I'm not going to waste my time explaining it again.
(2) What's that? Oh yeah, Jesus rose from the dead three days after he died.

(1) Gotten what? I can't declare I'm dying for your sins and kill myself.
(2) Rising from the dead? That's impossible. And "it was a miracle" isnt liable. Everything is able to be scientifically explained.

[1337 Man]

God has not punished since Christ's arrival, he has only rewarded. He's not forcing you to repent.
How do you know that? The way I see it, god punishes and tortures people everyday.


And even if God created homosexuals, and that's one huge if, homosexuals could still get to heaven - if they didn't act upon their attractions. Homosexual acts are condemned in several parts of the Bible, but attraction in people of the same sex is not. He's essentially expecting us to resist temptation. It's not temtation. Some homosexuals are just born the way they are. All throughout history, you'll hear about homosexuality. It's not just something a person can change. There are gays that want to become straight but they can't becuase it's jjust the way they are... and if they want to act upon it, fine. What kind of god would say homosexuals are not allowed to enjoy passion,sex and romance just because they'd prefer it with the same sex... why is being straight nececarrily more pure than being gay?

God does not torture or punish. Only Satan tortures and punishes.

As for the homosexual argument, for one, anal sex is a perversion, which is forbidden. Also, you seem to forget that reproduction is important, but homosexuals cannot reproduce. That, is why they are considered impure.

Reproduction is only important to Catholics. Homosexuals are equals, and if we're allowed to act upon our temptations by gods "law", they should be able to too. And God knows all right? So he knows our future? So he knows that some kids who are born are going to become homosexuals? So he does nothing about this and just tells them that they're sinners and are going to hell if they're allowed to live their life? This is all a load of bull. :roll:

You seem to be mistaken - people aren't born gay. They way they are raised might influence their sexuality when they grow older, but they're definitely not born that way. I could get in depth about this but that would stray too far off topic.

thank you!... that's the point Ive been trying to get across to everyone.

God doesnt exist anymore anyways. The way I see it, and the way other post-mortal atheists see it, us humans killed god. God took the form as jesus christ the day he was born to mary and when we decided to kill jesus, that was god's little test to see if we deserved his presence any longer. We abolished our own god. That's why he isn't there when we need him.

Wrong again. Jesus wasn't sent to Earth to test if we deserved His presence, it was because too many people were sinning. Jesus came here to educate us on what's wrong and what's right. When he died on the cross, it proved that God was willing to forgive us for even our greatest sins if we feel truly sorry for them and repent.

I still don't understand "Jesus died for our sins" bullshit. No, he died because people crucified him. He didn't sit on the cross and go "okay people, I'm dying and you won't be sinners anymore". Plus, why would "god" make a man, then when people killed him say "okay, no more sins for you guys!" they KILLED him! HUMANS! KILLED HIM! And his "followers"? They didn't do anything about it.

Plus, "god" can't just make people. And its physically impossible for mary to have been a virgin if she had a freaking kid. Don't say "its one of gods miracles..." thats crap. I live by scientific fact, not bogus, impossible beliefs. I might as well say "well when I was born, I was already fluent in English. It was a miracle". Bah. :roll:

No, Jesus died for our sins when he forgave us for crucifying him. No shit, he died because people crucified him. And his followers? They didn't do anything about it. Because they didn't want to be crucified as well.

As for the virgin Mary story - well, I can't disprove you on that :roll:

(1) How can you die for others sins. I don't get it. Do you just say "IM DYING FOR YOUR SINS" and then poof?
(2) How could he forgive people for crucifying him if he was DEAD?

(1) If you haven't gotten it yet, I'm not going to waste my time explaining it again.
(2) What's that? Oh yeah, Jesus rose from the dead three days after he died.

(1) Gotten what? I can't declare I'm dying for your sins and kill myself.
(2) Rising from the dead? That's impossible. And "it was a miracle" isnt liable. Everything is able to be scientifically explained.

Damn, this quote's getting long.

(1) Of course not, you're not God.
(2) It's a miracle :lol:

[maximan]

[quote:621ec8aa1b="1337 Man"]

God has not punished since Christ's arrival, he has only rewarded. He's not forcing you to repent.
How do you know that? The way I see it, god punishes and tortures people everyday.


And even if God created homosexuals, and that's one huge if, homosexuals could still get to heaven - if they didn't act upon their attractions. Homosexual acts are condemned in several parts of the Bible, but attraction in people of the same sex is not. He's essentially expecting us to resist temptation. It's not temtation. Some homosexuals are just born the way they are. All throughout history, you'll hear about homosexuality. It's not just something a person can change. There are gays that want to become straight but they can't becuase it's jjust the way they are... and if they want to act upon it, fine. What kind of god would say homosexuals are not allowed to enjoy passion,sex and romance just because they'd prefer it with the same sex... why is being straight nececarrily more pure than being gay?

God does not torture or punish. Only Satan tortures and punishes.

As for the homosexual argument, for one, anal sex is a perversion, which is forbidden. Also, you seem to forget that reproduction is important, but homosexuals cannot reproduce. That, is why they are considered impure.

Reproduction is only important to Catholics. Homosexuals are equals, and if we're allowed to act upon our temptations by gods "law", they should be able to too. And God knows all right? So he knows our future? So he knows that some kids who are born are going to become homosexuals? So he does nothing about this and just tells them that they're sinners and are going to hell if they're allowed to live their life? This is all a load of bull. :roll:

You seem to be mistaken - people aren't born gay. They way they are raised might influence their sexuality when they grow older, but they're definitely not born that way. I could get in depth about this but that would stray too far off topic.

thank you!... that's the point Ive been trying to get across to everyone.

God doesnt exist anymore anyways. The way I see it, and the way other post-mortal atheists see it, us humans killed god. God took the form as jesus christ the day he was born to mary and when we decided to kill jesus, that was god's little test to see if we deserved his presence any longer. We abolished our own god. That's why he isn't there when we need him.

Wrong again. Jesus wasn't sent to Earth to test if we deserved His presence, it was because too many people were sinning. Jesus came here to educate us on what's wrong and what's right. When he died on the cross, it proved that God was willing to forgive us for even our greatest sins if we feel truly sorry for them and repent.

I still don't understand "Jesus died for our sins" bullshit. No, he died because people crucified him. He didn't sit on the cross and go "okay people, I'm dying and you won't be sinners anymore". Plus, why would "god" make a man, then when people killed him say "okay, no more sins for you guys!" they KILLED him! HUMANS! KILLED HIM! And his "followers"? They didn't do anything about it.

Plus, "god" can't just make people. And its physically impossible for mary to have been a virgin if she had a freaking kid. Don't say "its one of gods miracles..." thats crap. I live by scientific fact, not bogus, impossible beliefs. I might as well say "well when I was born, I was already fluent in English. It was a miracle". Bah. :roll:

No, Jesus died for our sins when he forgave us for crucifying him. No shit, he died because people crucified him. And his followers? They didn't do anything about it. Because they didn't want to be crucified as well.

As for the virgin Mary story - well, I can't disprove you on that :roll:

(1) How can you die for others sins. I don't get it. Do you just say "IM DYING FOR YOUR SINS" and then poof?
(2) How could he forgive people for crucifying him if he was DEAD?

(1) If you haven't gotten it yet, I'm not going to waste my time explaining it again.
(2) What's that? Oh yeah, Jesus rose from the dead three days after he died.

(1) Gotten what? I can't declare I'm dying for your sins and kill myself.
(2) Rising from the dead? That's impossible. And "it was a miracle" isnt liable. Everything is able to be scientifically explained.

Damn, this quote's getting long.

(1) Of course not, you're not God.
(2) It's a miracle :lol:[/quote:621ec8aa1b]

(1) Neither was Jesus. He was a guy. He had a mom. He had a dad. He was born. He got "blessed by god with divine powers" or whatever. And his dad wasnt god, unless you're suggest god had sex with mary.
(2) Hardy Har Har. That was lame :lol:

[maximan]

maybe us people really are god.
The way I see it, life is just people fucking, reproducing and dying over and over and over again. That's how life works. maybe we just dissappear.

That makes me feel like going out and having sex until I die. :?

[Shaolin]

To anyone here supporting the Christian argument....

Please give me solid, reliable proof that God exists. Please prove with solid reliable data that man was created by Adam and Eve's incesteous sinning in the Garden of Eden..

Hmm i wonder what evolution is? Oh my GOD, are you saying that people aren't getting taller every year, cause im pretty sure the average height of an adult male only 100 years ago or so was around 5'6.

The simple fact is, there is more valid data that supports arguments against Religion. So you blame Satan for God torturing people? Satan was fabricated by the Bibel, thus religion created Evil in essense.

It's all fine calling a statistically infrequent occasion a 'miracle' but blowing up abortion clinics and snipering stem cell researchers is pushing the line. Oh and blowing the shit out of Palestinians with Apache helicopters, and invading Iraq, and having a Christian President with satanic intention.

So, all you Goth hating religious zealouts, you are hating yourself, a product of your own religion. SO please.

Stop living in a dream world! There is no hazzy bubble of God to protect you, this is life live it on the edge, because you could die tommorow and you know what will happen, you will rot, maggots will eat your flesh and you won't see, hear, feel, smell...you just won't anything.

[maximan]

To anyone here supporting the Christian argument....

Please give me solid, reliable proof that God exists. Please prove with solid reliable data that man was created by Adam and Eve's incesteous sinning in the Garden of Eden..

Hmm i wonder what evolution is? Oh my GOD, are you saying that people aren't getting taller every year, cause im pretty sure the average height of an adult male only 100 years ago or so was around 5'6.

The simple fact is, there is more valid data that supports arguments against Religion. So you blame Satan for God torturing people? Satan was fabricated by the Bibel, thus religion created Evil in essense.

It's all fine calling a statistically infrequent occasion a 'miracle' but blowing up abortion clinics and snipering stem cell researchers is pushing the line. Oh and blowing the shit out of Palestinians with Apache helicopters, and invading Iraq, and having a Christian President with satanic intention.

So, all you Goth hating religious zealouts, you are hating yourself, a product of your own religion. SO please.

Stop living in a dream world! There is no hazzy bubble of God to protect you, this is life live it on the edge, because you could die tommorow and you know what will happen, you will rot, maggots will eat your flesh and you won't see, hear, feel, smell...you just won't anything.

I much like your points. I see we have the same stand on things :biggrin:

[1337 Man]

To anyone here supporting the Christian argument....

Please give me solid, reliable proof that God exists. Please prove with solid reliable data that man was created by Adam and Eve's incesteous sinning in the Garden of Eden..

Hmm i wonder what evolution is? Oh my GOD, are you saying that people aren't getting taller every year, cause im pretty sure the average height of an adult male only 100 years ago or so was around 5'6.

The simple fact is, there is more valid data that supports arguments against Religion. So you blame Satan for God torturing people? Satan was fabricated by the Bibel, thus religion created Evil in essense.

It's all fine calling a statistically infrequent occasion a 'miracle' but blowing up abortion clinics and snipering stem cell researchers is pushing the line. Oh and blowing the shit out of Palestinians with Apache helicopters, and invading Iraq, and having a Christian President with satanic intention.

So, all you Goth hating religious zealouts, you are hating yourself, a product of your own religion. SO please.

Stop living in a dream world! There is no hazzy bubble of God to protect you, this is life live it on the edge, because you could die tommorow and you know what will happen, you will rot, maggots will eat your flesh and you won't see, hear, feel, smell...you just won't anything.

Please, give me solid, reliable, proof that God doesn't exist. See? The argument works both ways.

And I stated this before about evolution: People who have studied realize that the whole creation story is metaphorical.

I agree with you about the blowing up abortion clinics and sniping abortion doctors thing. Anyone who does that in the name of God is a moron. Plus, there's one line in the Bible that goes something like "One isn't alive until they receive their first breath of God", so since babies don't breathe until they're born, nobody can back up abortion with their faith.

[maximan]

To anyone here supporting the Christian argument....

Please give me solid, reliable proof that God exists. Please prove with solid reliable data that man was created by Adam and Eve's incesteous sinning in the Garden of Eden..

Hmm i wonder what evolution is? Oh my GOD, are you saying that people aren't getting taller every year, cause im pretty sure the average height of an adult male only 100 years ago or so was around 5'6.

The simple fact is, there is more valid data that supports arguments against Religion. So you blame Satan for God torturing people? Satan was fabricated by the Bibel, thus religion created Evil in essense.

It's all fine calling a statistically infrequent occasion a 'miracle' but blowing up abortion clinics and snipering stem cell researchers is pushing the line. Oh and blowing the shit out of Palestinians with Apache helicopters, and invading Iraq, and having a Christian President with satanic intention.

So, all you Goth hating religious zealouts, you are hating yourself, a product of your own religion. SO please.

Stop living in a dream world! There is no hazzy bubble of God to protect you, this is life live it on the edge, because you could die tommorow and you know what will happen, you will rot, maggots will eat your flesh and you won't see, hear, feel, smell...you just won't anything.

Please, give me solid, reliable, proof that God doesn't exist. See? The argument works both ways.

And I stated this before about evolution: People who have studied realize that the whole creation story is metaphorical.

I agree with you about the blowing up abortion clinics and sniping abortion doctors thing. Anyone who does that in the name of God is a moron. Plus, there's one line in the Bible that goes something like "One isn't alive until they receive their first breath of God", so since babies don't breathe until they're born, nobody can back up abortion with their faith.

Lack of proof is proof.

If it wasn't then we could say "well theres a giant penis floating 2,000 miles away from earth in space", and when people ask whats your proof, we say "whats your proof it's NOT there?". Things are untrue until proven. Thats the way it is, thats the way its always been

[1337 Man]

To anyone here supporting the Christian argument....

Please give me solid, reliable proof that God exists. Please prove with solid reliable data that man was created by Adam and Eve's incesteous sinning in the Garden of Eden..

Hmm i wonder what evolution is? Oh my GOD, are you saying that people aren't getting taller every year, cause im pretty sure the average height of an adult male only 100 years ago or so was around 5'6.

The simple fact is, there is more valid data that supports arguments against Religion. So you blame Satan for God torturing people? Satan was fabricated by the Bibel, thus religion created Evil in essense.

It's all fine calling a statistically infrequent occasion a 'miracle' but blowing up abortion clinics and snipering stem cell researchers is pushing the line. Oh and blowing the shit out of Palestinians with Apache helicopters, and invading Iraq, and having a Christian President with satanic intention.

So, all you Goth hating religious zealouts, you are hating yourself, a product of your own religion. SO please.

Stop living in a dream world! There is no hazzy bubble of God to protect you, this is life live it on the edge, because you could die tommorow and you know what will happen, you will rot, maggots will eat your flesh and you won't see, hear, feel, smell...you just won't anything.

Please, give me solid, reliable, proof that God doesn't exist. See? The argument works both ways.

And I stated this before about evolution: People who have studied realize that the whole creation story is metaphorical.

I agree with you about the blowing up abortion clinics and sniping abortion doctors thing. Anyone who does that in the name of God is a moron. Plus, there's one line in the Bible that goes something like "One isn't alive until they receive their first breath of God", so since babies don't breathe until they're born, nobody can back up abortion with their faith.

Lack of proof is proof.

If it wasn't then we could say "well theres a giant penis floating 2,000 miles away from earth in space", and when people ask whats your proof, we say "whats your proof it's NOT there?". Things are untrue until proven. Thats the way it is, thats the way its always been

The Bible is all the proof I, and billions of others, need.

[maximan]

You, and billions of others, are very ignorant. So since now all books that declare themselves the truth are the truth, then I guess books like the Odyssey are fact. For there MUST have been great cyclops and Poseiden and Zeus must have existed! There are Greek documents declaring that Zeus and all the gods exist, so does that mean they do? No.

[1337 Man]

You, and billions of others, are very ignorant. So since now all books that declare themselves the truth are the truth, then I guess books like the Odyssey are fact. For there MUST have been great cyclops and Poseiden and Zeus must have existed! There are Greek documents declaring that Zeus and all the gods exist, so does that mean they do? No.

Of course not! But you have to realize, the Bible is not mythological. The gospels who wrote the Bible had no idea the other gospels wrote about it as well. The gospels wrote about what they had witnessed first hand - and thus, we have proof.

[maximan]

The greeks didn't think their gods were a load of bull either. They thought people had experienced them first hand as well. But apparently, they hadn't. And guess what, they dont exist

[mrbean]

Guys
First off, there's no proof that the Greeks were wrong
Second off, Even without Cristianity, there'd be some religion chaining you down its human nature

[TheWizard]

You, and billions of others, are very ignorant. So since now all books that declare themselves the truth are the truth, then I guess books like the Odyssey are fact. For there MUST have been great cyclops and Poseiden and Zeus must have existed! There are Greek documents declaring that Zeus and all the gods exist, so does that mean they do? No.

Of course not! But you have to realize, the Bible is not mythological. The gospels who wrote the Bible had no idea the other gospels wrote about it as well. The gospels wrote about what they had witnessed first hand - and thus, we have proof.

The bible wasn't writen until 100 years after Jeus died. Therefore, none of the bible was writen from from first hand experience.

[boognish]

also the other gospels were stealing from the bible?

[Ravenous]

Well im not religious of any form but i find it hard to believe all the thiungs that happened in the bible are true so i do not believe in christianity nor many other religions

[TheWizard]

Same here

[Ravenous]

Same here
w00t go atheists!! lol :P

[mrbean]

But you have to admit, its weird that the things that they say happened, happened. I mean maybe some of the things will be proven to have happened.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

Think of every single species of animal in the world. Millions, Billions. All of them on one boat, a boat a man built himself. impossible

[Ravenous]

Think of every single species of animal in the world. Millions, Billions. All of them on one boat, a boat a man built himself. impossible
Lol theyd eat each other!!!

[TheWizard]

lol

[1337 Man]

Think of every single species of animal in the world. Millions, Billions. All of them on one boat, a boat a man built himself. impossible

Think of people who take everything literally. Everything, and they just skim over it. Unintelligible

[maximan]

Think of every single species of animal in the world. Millions, Billions. All of them on one boat, a boat a man built himself. impossible

Think of people who take everything literally. Everything, and they just skim over it. Unintelligible

Think of people who believe anything they read. You're thinking of God's book followers.

[mrbean]

Think about turning the Nile into blood, maybe that's what started HIV, they drank from it on accident.

[maximan]

Think about turning the Nile into blood, maybe that's what started HIV, they drank from it on accident.

I dont know whether you're joking or not. If you're not, water -> blood is impossible. Plus, who would have infected the blood :lol:

[Shaolin]

Think about turning the Nile into blood, maybe that's what started HIV, they drank from it on accident.

I don't know what the fuck you are talking about but HIV is a recent virus, the strain of micro organism that creates HIV as you know it only evolved enough to kill a human within the last 40 years or so.

I could have sworn the bible wasn't written 40 years ago.

Drinking blood = HIV? NO!

Drinking HIV infected blood = HIV YES!!

[Shaolin]

Hmm i wonder what evolution is? Oh my GOD, are you saying that people aren't getting taller every year, cause im pretty sure the average height of an adult male only 100 years ago or so was around 5'6.
I definetly believe people are evlolving and everything you just said, but uhh we can thank DDT and other factory farm hormones and pesticides for our people getting bigger. Anyone who consumes animal products also eats the harmful residues stored in the animal's flesh, milk and eggs. Farm animals have been dosed to grow 8 times as fast as they normally would.
Chemicals, hormones and pesticides have been fed to farm animals since the early 1930's.... and all this hype about drinking milk has had an effect on people too. The milk industries have been putting out nonsense advertisements saying that "Milk is essencial for health" and "you should drink a glass of milk with every meal!"... bullshit. America and Europe are the only parts of the world that consume dairy products frequently. Milk is made for baby cows, not for people. Hence, people are being fattened up and dosed certain chemicals that do have an effect on their growth pattern and their body mass. It's sad.

Your argument might be true to an extent, yet you miss my point entirely.

Evolution is a process of "the fittest survive", it begins with every human, the fittest sperm gets to the egg first, thus the weaker (less evolved) sperms die.

A good example is race. People with tanned, darker skin have their originas in countries more exposed to sun? Why do they have darker skin? It's a process of evolution, their bodies have adapted to the environment, tanned skin protects skin cells and reflects light better than white skin.

Chinease people are short, and their eyes are quite slim. This is because they are originates of the mongol race, a race which lived in a volatile climate, a short stocky build with slimmer eyes = better protection from weather, eyes are not so exposed to sand storms.

If you read a history book or two, you might notice that neanderthals (cavemen) were much shorter - this is proven with valid scientific proof, real existing bones from thousands of years ago (and many different specimens) show that the skull was a different shape, on average they were much shorter than your averages today, yes milk and other products may promote hormone growth, but it does not in any disprove evolution.

The existance of chemicals, proven with our helpful friend science, the existance of atoms, proves we are just structures of a smaller entity.

The big bang, a massive chemical reaction which started off our world is a far more rational and logical idea of the original creation than a misty figure floating around in the sky creativing everything in 7 days, simply because humans are made of essentially a bag of chemicals, and chemicals are made of atoms, and so is everything else in the world, including hte bible.

Now you could say then "God created the big Bang" but how could god create the universe and everything that makes it up, including himself, if he doesn't exist yet.

If god exists, who created God?

Relgion was a great way to answer many of these questions (life, creation etc) maybe a thousand or two years ago, but thankfully science is slowly disprooving the lies.

It's far better to believe the truth, rather than unproven 'fact'.

Now any Religious person who would like to try and turn my argument on it's head by reversing the answer for example "Show me proof god doesn't exist" is using an extrmely primitive debating strategy.

If a man decided to make a statement, "The aliens are attacking at 3pm" for example, he is entitled to proove his statement is true, otherwise why should others believe him, if he hasn't proven that his opinion is the most factual and true.

The same goes for science, the logic behind science and its motives behind the world proove themselves with experiments and research far more than religion has, afterall, church reform is an extreme rarity, the pope is finding it hard to grip the existance of homosexuality.

The pope infact once stated that AIDS can pass through the comdom, because of tiny holes in the comdom. Funny man, tell the good people not to use contraception, for it won't protect you. The funnier thing is scientists retested the condom to prove him wrong, the AIDs virus was far far larger than any microscopic hole in the average condom, only a tear or rip in an otherwise unadultered condom could prove to this effect.

So, my conclusion - Relgion is whack.

A great quote - "One person with a delusion is schizophrenic, a million people with a delusion is a religion"

[TheWizard]

I'm glad to see your opnion on this important matter. I share your views on science.

[Shaolin]

Please, give me solid, reliable, proof that God doesn't exist. See? The argument works both ways.

And I stated this before about evolution: People who have studied realize that the whole creation story is metaphorical.

I agree with you about the blowing up abortion clinics and sniping abortion doctors thing. Anyone who does that in the name of God is a moron. Plus, there's one line in the Bible that goes something like "One isn't alive until they receive their first breath of God", so since babies don't breathe until they're born, nobody can back up abortion with their faith.

I can't give you any proof that proves God's existance. Can i proove the boogey man, or santa claus exist? No..

I can prove that Santa doesn't come down my chimney and lay presents under the tree every christmas, How? I don't have a chimney, and me and my family buy and wrap the presents.

If i can't physically prove he exists, then i really have no right to say he doesn't, yet i have a more valid argument, simply because my proof he doesn't exist is real and your proof he does exist is opinion based from over a milenium ago, and today, all acounts of his existance are also vastly unproven and not backed up claims of opinion, not fact.

The existance of evolution is fact. This has been proven by experiments, resaerch etc.

The existance of the garden of eden is, Myth. It cannot be proven, yet it can be believed and preached, and it can feature in a book.

The main difference here is, both opinions are found in text books, scientific opinion can be researched, you can even proove it yourself by following previous experiments or making your own. A bible leaves no room for this, you can speak to God, but he won't speak back. You can pray for a Mercedes Benz as an experiment...It won't appear, thus the conclusion of that experiment, God doesn't answer prayers.

When he does? The more valid and logical conclusion is not faith or miracle but probability.

[Shaolin]

I'm glad to see your opnion on this important matter. I share your views on science.

Thankyou Josh that's nice of you. I also share your views on other subjects.

[1337 Man]

Please, give me solid, reliable, proof that God doesn't exist. See? The argument works both ways.

And I stated this before about evolution: People who have studied realize that the whole creation story is metaphorical.

I agree with you about the blowing up abortion clinics and sniping abortion doctors thing. Anyone who does that in the name of God is a moron. Plus, there's one line in the Bible that goes something like "One isn't alive until they receive their first breath of God", so since babies don't breathe until they're born, nobody can back up abortion with their faith.

I can't give you any proof that proves God's existance. Can i proove the boogey man, or santa claus exist? No..

I can prove that Santa doesn't come down my chimney and lay presents under the tree every christmas, How? I don't have a chimney, and me and my family buy and wrap the presents.

If i can't physically prove he exists, then i really have no right to say he doesn't, yet i have a more valid argument, simply because my proof he doesn't exist is real and your proof he does exist is opinion based from over a milenium ago, and today, all acounts of his existance are also vastly unproven and not backed up claims of opinion, not fact.

The existance of evolution is fact. This has been proven by experiments, resaerch etc.

The existance of the garden of eden is, Myth. It cannot be proven, yet it can be believed and preached, and it can feature in a book.

The main difference here is, both opinions are found in text books, scientific opinion can be researched, you can even proove it yourself by following previous experiments or making your own. A bible leaves no room for this, you can speak to God, but he won't speak back. You can pray for a Mercedes Benz as an experiment...It won't appear, thus the conclusion of that experiment, God doesn't answer prayers.

When he does? The more valid and logical conclusion is not faith or miracle but probability.

You keep bringing up the same point. Evolution, blah blah blah, creation story, blah blah blah, etc. So I'll keep bringing up the same point I've made.

If you've taken time to study the bible, you'd realize the creation story is metaphorical.

[maximan]

Please, give me solid, reliable, proof that God doesn't exist. See? The argument works both ways.

And I stated this before about evolution: People who have studied realize that the whole creation story is metaphorical.

I agree with you about the blowing up abortion clinics and sniping abortion doctors thing. Anyone who does that in the name of God is a moron. Plus, there's one line in the Bible that goes something like "One isn't alive until they receive their first breath of God", so since babies don't breathe until they're born, nobody can back up abortion with their faith.

I can't give you any proof that proves God's existance. Can i proove the boogey man, or santa claus exist? No..

I can prove that Santa doesn't come down my chimney and lay presents under the tree every christmas, How? I don't have a chimney, and me and my family buy and wrap the presents.

If i can't physically prove he exists, then i really have no right to say he doesn't, yet i have a more valid argument, simply because my proof he doesn't exist is real and your proof he does exist is opinion based from over a milenium ago, and today, all acounts of his existance are also vastly unproven and not backed up claims of opinion, not fact.

The existance of evolution is fact. This has been proven by experiments, resaerch etc.

The existance of the garden of eden is, Myth. It cannot be proven, yet it can be believed and preached, and it can feature in a book.

The main difference here is, both opinions are found in text books, scientific opinion can be researched, you can even proove it yourself by following previous experiments or making your own. A bible leaves no room for this, you can speak to God, but he won't speak back. You can pray for a Mercedes Benz as an experiment...It won't appear, thus the conclusion of that experiment, God doesn't answer prayers.

When he does? The more valid and logical conclusion is not faith or miracle but probability.

You keep bringing up the same point. Evolution, blah blah blah, creation story, blah blah blah, etc. So I'll keep bringing up the same point I've made.

If you've taken time to study the bible, you'd realize the creation story is metaphorical.

If you've taken the time to study the world around you more, you'd realize almost nothing in the Bible is true.

[1337 Man]

Please, give me solid, reliable, proof that God doesn't exist. See? The argument works both ways.

And I stated this before about evolution: People who have studied realize that the whole creation story is metaphorical.

I agree with you about the blowing up abortion clinics and sniping abortion doctors thing. Anyone who does that in the name of God is a moron. Plus, there's one line in the Bible that goes something like "One isn't alive until they receive their first breath of God", so since babies don't breathe until they're born, nobody can back up abortion with their faith.

I can't give you any proof that proves God's existance. Can i proove the boogey man, or santa claus exist? No..

I can prove that Santa doesn't come down my chimney and lay presents under the tree every christmas, How? I don't have a chimney, and me and my family buy and wrap the presents.

If i can't physically prove he exists, then i really have no right to say he doesn't, yet i have a more valid argument, simply because my proof he doesn't exist is real and your proof he does exist is opinion based from over a milenium ago, and today, all acounts of his existance are also vastly unproven and not backed up claims of opinion, not fact.

The existance of evolution is fact. This has been proven by experiments, resaerch etc.

The existance of the garden of eden is, Myth. It cannot be proven, yet it can be believed and preached, and it can feature in a book.

The main difference here is, both opinions are found in text books, scientific opinion can be researched, you can even proove it yourself by following previous experiments or making your own. A bible leaves no room for this, you can speak to God, but he won't speak back. You can pray for a Mercedes Benz as an experiment...It won't appear, thus the conclusion of that experiment, God doesn't answer prayers.

When he does? The more valid and logical conclusion is not faith or miracle but probability.

You keep bringing up the same point. Evolution, blah blah blah, creation story, blah blah blah, etc. So I'll keep bringing up the same point I've made.

If you've taken time to study the bible, you'd realize the creation story is metaphorical.

If you've taken the time to study the world around you more, you'd realize almost nothing in the Bible is true.

I'm sorry, I must be too enslaved by my faith. Care to elaborate?

[maximan]

Please, give me solid, reliable, proof that God doesn't exist. See? The argument works both ways.

And I stated this before about evolution: People who have studied realize that the whole creation story is metaphorical.

I agree with you about the blowing up abortion clinics and sniping abortion doctors thing. Anyone who does that in the name of God is a moron. Plus, there's one line in the Bible that goes something like "One isn't alive until they receive their first breath of God", so since babies don't breathe until they're born, nobody can back up abortion with their faith.

I can't give you any proof that proves God's existance. Can i proove the boogey man, or santa claus exist? No..

I can prove that Santa doesn't come down my chimney and lay presents under the tree every christmas, How? I don't have a chimney, and me and my family buy and wrap the presents.

If i can't physically prove he exists, then i really have no right to say he doesn't, yet i have a more valid argument, simply because my proof he doesn't exist is real and your proof he does exist is opinion based from over a milenium ago, and today, all acounts of his existance are also vastly unproven and not backed up claims of opinion, not fact.

The existance of evolution is fact. This has been proven by experiments, resaerch etc.

The existance of the garden of eden is, Myth. It cannot be proven, yet it can be believed and preached, and it can feature in a book.

The main difference here is, both opinions are found in text books, scientific opinion can be researched, you can even proove it yourself by following previous experiments or making your own. A bible leaves no room for this, you can speak to God, but he won't speak back. You can pray for a Mercedes Benz as an experiment...It won't appear, thus the conclusion of that experiment, God doesn't answer prayers.

When he does? The more valid and logical conclusion is not faith or miracle but probability.

You keep bringing up the same point. Evolution, blah blah blah, creation story, blah blah blah, etc. So I'll keep bringing up the same point I've made.

If you've taken time to study the bible, you'd realize the creation story is metaphorical.

If you've taken the time to study the world around you more, you'd realize almost nothing in the Bible is true.

I'm sorry, I must be too enslaved by my faith. Care to elaborate?

I never said you were enslaved. I was saying you believe in falsehoods (god)

[Shaolin]

You keep bringing up the same point. Evolution, blah blah blah, creation story, blah blah blah, etc. So I'll keep bringing up the same point I've made.

If you've taken time to study the bible, you'd realize the creation story is metaphorical.

I ask you for proof of gods existance. You gave me none. You claim he exists yet you cannot prove it.

You keep fighting back with the same argument because you have nothing new to add, perhaps if you had some data to backup your arguments you wouldn't get so easily bogged down in the debate forum.

[1337 Man]

You keep bringing up the same point. Evolution, blah blah blah, creation story, blah blah blah, etc. So I'll keep bringing up the same point I've made.

If you've taken time to study the bible, you'd realize the creation story is metaphorical.

I ask you for proof of gods existance. You gave me none. You claim he exists yet you cannot prove it.

You keep fighting back with the same argument because you have nothing new to add, perhaps if you had some data to backup your arguments you wouldn't get so easily bogged down in the debate forum.

I use the Bible as my proof.

[Shaolin]

I use the Bible as my proof.

Fair enough, you stick to your 2000 year old source book, i'll stick to modern day technoledgy which disproves much of the 'bible'.

[1337 Man]

I use the Bible as my proof.

Fair enough, you stick to your 2000 year old source book, i'll stick to modern day technoledgy which disproves much of the 'bible'.

Give me specific examples of this modern day technology that disproves the bible.

[mrbean]

Honestly, I think the Bible's right, but that's just because I don't think anyone would write a book full of lies so that everyone would believe it.

[TheWizard]

Honestly, I think the Bible's right, but that's just because I don't think anyone would write a book full of lies so that everyone would believe it.

People believe in Harry Potter, but that doesn't prove magic is real.

[maximan]

I use the Bible as my proof.

Fair enough, you stick to your 2000 year old source book, i'll stick to modern day technoledgy which disproves much of the 'bible'.

Give me specific examples of this modern day technology that disproves the bible.

No skeletal remains or solid proof of Jesus's existance has ever been found.

[1337 Man]

I use the Bible as my proof.

Fair enough, you stick to your 2000 year old source book, i'll stick to modern day technoledgy which disproves much of the 'bible'.

Give me specific examples of this modern day technology that disproves the bible.

No skeletal remains or solid proof of Jesus's existance has ever been found.

Where's the modern day technology?

[Julio caesar shavez the 4]

wow a lot of qoutes

[1337 Man]

I use the Bible as my proof.

Fair enough, you stick to your 2000 year old source book, i'll stick to modern day technoledgy which disproves much of the 'bible'.

Give me specific examples of this modern day technology that disproves the bible.

No skeletal remains or solid proof of Jesus's existance has ever been found.

No skeletal remains or solid proof of the Egyptian pharoah Smenkhare has ever been found, does that mean he never existed?

[Dante]

look, it is either you belive in GOD or you don't. I am a christian, I am proud to be a Christian. I believe with out god you are dammned to hell. Yes, Evolution might seem plausible, but I don't belive it.
I also agree that religion is kind of shady, some things dont add up.

I find it kind of funny that people get mad about people bashing gays, but there is no problem when people bash Christianity. I don't say it is not the same thing, beacuse it is.

[maximan]

Well I get bashed by Christians all the time. I've been told by friends that I'm going to hell many times, and that athiest sons of bitches should die. But you dont see gays bashing straights...

Either way, I'm sorry if I've come off mean :?

[Waiting]

there is no proof god exsists. there is no proof he doesnt exsist.

so basically unless anyone can proove otherwise...no1 will ever know

[ruler_of_hell]

screw christ!!!

[Ravenous]

screw christ!!!

Some people may find that offensive....

[ruler_of_hell]

sorry christians*fingers crossed*

[1337 Man]

Okay, fuck evertything I said earlier...I'm an agnostic now.

Although, this morning, I was reading The Hitch Hiker's Guide To the Galaxy, and it came up with an interesting point.

"The argument goes something like this: `I refuse to prove that I
exist,' says God, `for proof denies faith, and without faith I am
nothing.'

[mrbean]

I use the Bible as my proof.

Fair enough, you stick to your 2000 year old source book, i'll stick to modern day technoledgy which disproves much of the 'bible'.

Give me specific examples of this modern day technology that disproves the bible.

No skeletal remains or solid proof of Jesus's existance has ever been found.

Yes, they found a box with his name inscripted on it.

[Anonymous]

actually christianity is the most free religion...all you have to do is follow the bible.

[boognish]

and if you dont you go to hell and burn for the rest of eternity. yeah do this or you will be in pain for the rest of time. lots of freedoms there

[Anonymous]

well nobody understands that freedom is not an option...you are a slave of something always wether its the devil or God...if you are not with Jesus you are against him, thats just how God made it...and yes it is very hard to get on in the world with all these commandments but I think in the end I would rather go to heaven than hell.
Even in America "The land of the free" as people say...we aren't free at all...we are just more free than other countries probobly the most free of them all.

[boognish]

well wouold you rather live your live based on a book made 2 millenia ago, and waste your prime on making sure you make it into "heaven" or aslo live on the book thoughts but not care about "heaven" live life to the fullest and funnest and end up going to "hell" or forget the book, forget the bondage to "god" and live how you want to live, and you wont die, you will live as long as you want to.

by the way i agree with the values in the bible, just not the ways of teaching them or the ways of "enforcing" them

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

what about all the people who live completely isolated from the rest of the world, and no one knows they exist and they dont know about the world around them. people who believe their tribe is the only human existance on earth. im sure they arent exposed to heaven, do they go to hell to?

[boognish]

I can admit something secretive about myself right now...

really, so what is your secret? :?

[Ravenous]

'And i want to conquer the world, give all the idiots a brand new religion'

Bad Religion - I want to Conquer
A song describing christiantity funny but a damn good song aswell

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

rrreeeeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllyyyyyyy

[TheWizard]

OK this has went pretty far so I'll lovk it.