Religious discussion

[The Batman]

I think that we need a place to put all of our religious discussion rather it be for debates or just to give information or even random facts. With it created we can move all religious related threads to it and it'll end all the offensive attitudes given off by it because that's where it belongs. It'll be a place where we can openly discuss all aspects of different types of religion.

[Sugaree]

Don't you think that this would be a good discussion in the 'Religion' sticky in Ramblings of the Wise?

[tombstonequeen]

i don't think we should

[Prince Jellyfish]

That would create the proverbial tinderbox.

[RRDoLLY]

Religion is very touchy.... People get way to easily offended.... I vote no. Unless people can actualy handle discussions that might offend them which is mostly never

[tombstonequeen]

exactly
the rule if they do have a religion forum should be that no body can complain to have someone kicked off or banned if u don't like what they say

[RRDoLLY]

exactly... got into alot of fights about it... christians cant take critisism... well everyone actually

[Prince Jellyfish]

exactly... got into alot of fights about it... christians cant take critisism... well everyone actually

Yeah, christians really tend to victim it up.:rolleyes:

[Maverick]

Christians cant take critisism...
Watch what you say.

[The Batman]

Religious or not someone is going to say something to piss someone else off and there are already plenty of religious threads scattered across this site and you don't see anyone going on a rampage because of it. If we used fear that someone would get pissed as an excuse to not do things then the debate forum wouldn't even be here. Also, there is a difference between friendly criticism and straight religious bashing its just that when those lines are crossed then someone should step in and close the thread. But don't say no solely because somone might complain.

[Zephyr]

It would be a good idea if it would stay in the realm of discussion,
And if everybody is mature enough to keep it that way then I say go for it,
But if it turns into a fight then it should be locked and taken away.

[tombstonequeen]

nah let em fight

[RRDoLLY]

If people can't get it through their head that someone might bash because we all know it will happen, their shouldn't be one... Whats the problem with just posting a question about their religion? i dont think we should have a forum for it because open topics on religion will cause problems... leave it at that

[tombstonequeen]

yup
if u have a myspace and u decide to go into the relgion chatrooms well
lets just say those are perfect examples
and if u see the devil satan in there
say hi for me

[RRDoLLY]

kkk (thats how i say ok, kewl)

[tombstonequeen]

ya i know
u know i think we need a wiccan president lol
they will get shit done
ine reason i hate christianity
they can't keep their nose to religion only they have to bury it in everything including politics

[Prince Jellyfish]

I KNOW! It's the worst! That's why the only 'higher power" I believe in is MANKIND.

[Maverick]

Ok let's keep on topic on the suggestion of creating a religious discussion forum.

[tombstonequeen]

sigh no fun
alright
lets have a relgion forum but no one get touchy about it

[japanman]

ya no getting offended by anything i saw go ahead make one b/c it wont effect because i have a religion that no one has started(i started my own religion for me)
so i voted yes

[redcar]

exactly... got into alot of fights about it... christians cant take critisism... well everyone actually

Yeah, christians really tend to victim it up.:rolleyes:
It's comments like this that seem innocent enough that could make a lot of people angry.

sigh no fun
alright
lets have a relgion forum but no one get touchy about it
Thats the problem can not have one without the other. It would be impossible to have a religion forum without people getting "touchy".

[Sugaree]

christians cant take critisism


Ok now that went over the proverbial line. I would watch what you say before bigger shit happens

[tombstonequeen]

well then just ignore their complaints about it unless like idk someone does spamming
hey i have an idea
have an ashley rules forum now that sounds like an awsome religious forum

legal same with u calm down and be open to all ppls words

[Maverick]

Ok now that went over the proverbial line. I would watch what you say before bigger shit happens
I've already dealt with it. There was no need for you to post. Back on topic as I've already said.

[Sugaree]

Maybe lol :P

But still if we do it in Ramblings then it causes major problems because some people on the forum are atheist.

A sub forum for Ramblings may do...?

[Prince Jellyfish]

well then just ignore their complaints about it unless like idk someone does spamming
hey i have an idea
have an ashley rules forum now that sounds like an awsome religious forum

legal same with u calm down and be open to all ppls words

I want to join! :D

[tombstonequeen]

see
i now have a cult all agreed with an ashley forum?
oh and maverick u look stunning today >.>
so about that forum?

[Prince Jellyfish]

see
i now have a cult all agreed with an ashley forum?
oh and maverick u look stunning today >.>
so about that forum?

i vote yes!

[japanman]

lol ok now i think ppl may get touchy idk i never got touchy bout religion but hey if it causes problems then mabye not

[Antares]

I dont think that people's acceptance and maturity levels are high enough. Also, thats what we have Ramblings of the Wise for. And lastly there is no demand for it.

[tombstonequeen]

sun
u look marvalous too
>.>

[DouggyO.o]

Im going to say no. Religion causes nothing but fights around here =\

[Sugaree]

Im going to say no. Religion causes nothing but fights around here =\

Always has, always will

[tombstonequeen]

why dougy is that a new shirt?

[The Batman]

Then we need to build up a tolerance towards religion how are we ever gonna accept it if we're to scared to talk about it becasue someone might get hurt.

[Serenity]

see
i now have a cult all agreed with an ashley forum?
oh and maverick u look stunning today >.>
so about that forum?

sun
u look marvalous too
>.>

why dougy is that a new shirt?

Ant has already said twice to remain on topic. It's not going to be said again.

[RRDoLLY]

the religion post in new posts proves exactly why this place cant handle a religous forum

[tombstonequeen]

i am staying on the topic
topic is makin a new relgious forum ya?
and i'm trying to talk my way into one -_-

[The Batman]

Its amazing you been here 2 days and you already know all about this site and what the members can handle. And besides that had nothing to do with religion it was about a children's book and how does one person decide we're not mature enough(not you the reaction of the other).

[Prince Jellyfish]

Its amazing you been here 2 days and you already know all about this site and what the members can handle. And besides that had nothing to do with religion it was about a children's book and how does one person decide we're not mature enough(not you the reaction of the other).

Yeah, it took me three days to become pessimistic about this place. lol

[Serenity]

If there is one more post in this thread not on the topic of Religious Discussion, the thread will be locked.

[redcar]

the religion post in new posts proves exactly why this place cant handle a religous forum
This is an excellent point. Recent discussion of religious topics show that maybe we are not ready for a dedicated forum.

Its amazing you been here 2 days and you already know all about this site and what the members can handle.
With all due respect, you haven't been here a long time and the point that was brought up was a very vaild one.

[theOperaGhost]

Sorry I voted no. It seems like it would cause way too much arguing. It's a good idea if there wouldn't be so much argument.

[Underground_Network]

Religious discussion on VT with no fighting? Not gonna happen. People aren't mature enough on VT to handle it. People will take certain comments the wrong way, and then a debate could spark, and that could escalate into an argument, and then all hell will break lose.. If you want to discuss religion, and you don't want people to debate, don't post it on VT, because people will debate. People are guaranteed to disagree with you on the topic of religion.

[iJack]

I think we should have one, but make it kind of like the Puberty 101 forums, have a different section per religion, so people have no reason to get offended, and have dedicated mods to lock/delete threads that get out of hand.

[Underground_Network]

^^ It would be too much of a hassle.. Do you know how many posts the mods would have to delete, and how many threads would get out of hand? Too many. Most of the time I act mature, but sometimes I'm just in a "silly" mood, and I may make a comment that I find funny, and the comment would intend no harm, but still, the comment may anger someone, and in a religious discussion forum, this could spark an all-out argument, and things could get out of hand. If this forum is created, I will avoid it at all costs, as all I can see happening is me watching my rep points slowly decrease due to extreme amounts of negative rep being added to my reputation. Even I'm bound to get into out-of-hand arguments in a religious discussion section.

[iJack]

^^ It would be too much of a hassle.. Do you know how many posts the mods would have to delete, and how many threads would get out of hand? Too many. Most of the time I act mature, but sometimes I'm just in a "silly" mood, and I may make a comment that I find funny, and the comment would intend no harm, but still, the comment may anger someone, and in a religious discussion forum, this could spark an all-out argument, and things could get out of hand. If this forum is created, I will avoid it at all costs, as all I can see happening is me watching my rep points slowly decrease due to extreme amounts of negative rep being added to my reputation. Even I'm bound to get into out-of-hand arguments in a religious discussion section.

True, BUT, as you said:
If this forum is created, I will avoid it at all costs,
so if you can do it, why cant others do it

[Maverick]

so if you can do it, why cant others do it
Because not all members are mature and can't have a civil discussion about religion.

[Underground_Network]

Because others won't. Others will see it as an oppurtunity to voice their opinion, and then when other people disagree, they will argue. And things will escalate and get out of hand. Its all but guaranteed to happen.

^^ What Ant said too.

[Prince Jellyfish]

I think this thread is self-evident in that it basically proves why there cannot be a religion forum. In other words...THE SYSTEM WORKS! =D

[Antares]

Hey, well you know. If we want to be a better society then I think that having debates and stuff about religion and learning peoples beliefs are the first steps to making this world better instead of killing people because they dont believe in your god!

[Serenity]

Hey, well you know. If we want to be a better society then I think that having debates and stuff about religion and learning peoples beliefs are the first steps to making this world better instead of killing people because they dont believe in your god!

Unfortunately in most cases debates about religion ARE the first steps towards killing people because they don't believe in your god.

[The Batman]

But right now we're all young and its better that we learn now before we end up old and ready to kill people who don't think how we do. I understand that your all worried about the fighting that it might cause, but you have to look at the good that will come from it also. The fight that happened earlier could stem from the lack of other religious topics and when this one came up all of everyone's opinion's came out and it all just erupted to the way that it did. We need to have this forum so that fights like this don't happen everytime someone does post a religious themed post and everyone is more able to get their opinions out and also they are better able to fully understand everyone else's religion.

[Antares]

My reply to Val is the first sentance to DarkWing_T's. :P

In order to become a better society for the future our generation should learn acceptance now.

[theOperaGhost]

But right now we're all young and its better that we learn now before we end up old and ready to kill people who don't think how we do. I understand that your all worried about the fighting that it might cause, but you have to look at the good that will come from it also. The fight that happened earlier could stem from the lack of other religious topics and when this one came up all of everyone's opinion's came out and it all just erupted to the way that it did. We need to have this forum so that fights like this don't happen everytime someone does post a religious themed post and everyone is more able to get their opinions out and also they are better able to fully understand everyone else's religion.

I agree. I still voted no, but if it did happen, we'd need some pretty dedicated mods to control the religious forum.

[Antares]

Umm...YEA! Heck yes we would!

[The Batman]

I'd keep close attention to it and keep my mouse close to the report post button thats the next best thing

[Mzor203]

I think there should be, because then all the posts that could get people "touchy" would stay in one place. And if people don't want to be offended or are going to start fights, then they can frickin stay out of the religion forum.If someone knows they get upset about that kind of discussion, and they go into that forum, then they're looking for trouble. I vote yes.

[Sugaree]

I think that last night we saw the perfect reason of why this forum is not ready, nor will it ever be, ready for a religious forum

[Malcolm Tucker]

Definitely not. It's asking people to fight.

[Prince Jellyfish]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure all of you guys hate me over what I believe, or rather do not believe, so adding this forum would be nothing but a polarizing force.

[Maverick]

I think that last night we saw the perfect reason of why this forum is not ready, nor will it ever be, ready for a religious forum
Don't say never. Things change over time.

[Sugaree]

Well the way thing are going I don't think that this forum is ready. I mean most members have very strong views which of course cause fights, in this case religion

[Maverick]

Yeah but things can change in the future.

[Mzor203]

I'm not really sure how things could change in the future, seeing as nothing really changed in the past. More people have chosen atheism, but the number of religious people far outweighs the number of the non-religious. Whenever someone believes strongly in something and someone contradicts their beliefs, of course they are going to argue. A forum like this could be pulled off if the rules there were strongly enforced and any fighting/flaming that happened would have action taken against it. As I said before, if you are sure you're going to freak out about something someone says in the religion forum, either stay out of it or keep it to yourself. Simple.

[Maverick]

Well in the future there will be more active members and therefore better chance for more religious diversity, which is needed to keep such a forum afloat.

[Mzor203]

Ah, so what you were saying is that to have a forum like that we would need more in it than just a bunch of christians and atheists fighting over if god exists or not? You've got a point there. A religious forum would get pretty old and repetitive pretty quickly like that.

[The Batman]

But if we do create it then it could possibly draw more religious active members to this site. I've seen sights with thousands of members that were solely based on religion and by having a religious forum maybe it'll attract more religious teens or even those who are at crossroads with their religion and would really want insight. If this forum is created we could have a sticky about the major types of religion which gives them all the basic details of it. Then we would have to make a sticky for the rules and like mentioned before just have it heavily enforced. Pretty much the only reason why you guys are saying no is because the fights that will occur, with all due respect if that's all your gonna say then to me its not good enough an excuse because there is a lot of good that can come from the forum and who cares if one or two people have an attitude about it.

This forum was created to help teens and the biggest part of our lives is religion no matter what we follow. We need to be taught all aspects of different types of religion so that we can be more informed and make more intelligent decisions. The fight that happened last night was between 2 members it wasn't an all out site war just two and it was handled and dealt with quickly. We do have mature members on this site who do respect other people's views and also there are immature members who don't, well why not use last night as an example that we need a way to better inform our members and teach them to respect others views and what better way than to have a forum where we can put our beliefs in our viewpoints and build up a better understanding of how we feel. You can't just toss this idea aside or sweep it under the rug because your scared of fights you have to be willing to take that risk and help us to be better.

[Prince Jellyfish]

But if we do create it then it could possibly draw more religious active members to this site. I've seen sights with thousands of members that were solely based on religion and by having a religious forum maybe it'll attract more religious teens or even those who are at crossroads with their religion and would really want insight. If this forum is created we could have a sticky about the major types of religion which gives them all the basic details of it. Then we would have to make a sticky for the rules and like mentioned before just have it heavily enforced. Pretty much the only reason why you guys are saying no is because the fights that will occur, with all due respect if that's all your gonna say then to me its not good enough an excuse because there is a lot of good that can come from the forum and who cares if one or two people have an attitude about it.

This forum was created to help teens and the biggest part of our lives is religion no matter what we follow. We need to be taught all aspects of different types of religion so that we can be more informed and make more intelligent decisions. The fight that happened last night was between 2 members it wasn't an all out site war just two and it was handled and dealt with quickly. We do have mature members on this site who do respect other people's views and also there are immature members who don't, well why not use last night as an example that we need a way to better inform our members and teach them to respect others views and what better way than to have a forum where we can put our beliefs in our viewpoints and build up a better understanding of how we feel. You can't just toss this idea aside or sweep it under the rug because your scared of fights you have to be willing to take that risk and help us to be better.

Why not just go to an exclusively relgious forum for that? There are literally hundreds, if not more, of them out there.

[The Batman]

No, because there is no other site like VirtualTeen simple as that.

[Mzor203]

Why not go to a forum exclusively for puberty? Or for technology? Or for artwork and creative writing? Because you have to register over and over and over again. If everything is in one place, it is much more handy and helpful for everyone.

And as said before, religion and spirituality can be a big part of teen life, and other forums aren't always specifically meant for teens.

[Prince Jellyfish]

Ok, thanks, guys.

[Sugaree]

Why not go to a forum exclusively for puberty? Or for technology? Or for artwork and creative writing?

Just look on the forums called PUBERTY 101 and THE ART ROOM and possibly TECH JUNKIES PARADISE.

[DouggyO.o]

I think he means a whole forum not just 1 section out of tones.

[Techno Monster]

No just no no no no no no no no no... fights all over the place if you want a religious online place than find another forum for it.

[Mzor203]

Just look on the forums called PUBERTY 101 and THE ART ROOM and possibly TECH JUNKIES PARADISE.

Yes, that's what I'm saying. Why waste your timelooking for other forums when you could just go to them on VT. (I wasn't being stupid, I was giving a point to Prince Jellyfish)

[The Batman]

No just no no no no no no no no no... fights all over the place if you want a religious online place than find another forum for it.

I read some of your other post and you like to take pictures right? How would you like it if someone told you to take them to some other forum? If you don't have anything more constructive to say why your against it then don't post it.

We have a very active thread right now in ROTW that contains no fights at all which proves that this site can handle a religious forum.

[Maverick]

I read some of your other post and you like to take pictures right? How would you like it if someone told you to take them to some other forum? If you don't have anything more constructive to say why your against it then don't post it.

We have a very active thread right now in ROTW that contains no fights at all which proves that this site can handle a religious forum.
Thomas, she's entitled to give her opinion. Its not your place to tell people what they can or can't post.

Religious discussion is going on in the debate forum as you said, therefore it can still be discussed on this site. The only difference is that its not in a dedicated forum.

70% of members that have voted are against the idea. In order for a new forum to be created there has to be overwhelming support for it and approval by administration.

[IfPiratesCouldFly]

I'm mostly against this because we can talk about this in rambling of the wise much less than having a general forum/subforum for it. So yeah no to that :/

[MoveAlong]

Don't you think that this would be a good discussion in the 'Religion' sticky in Ramblings of the Wise?

I don't think so, because it would be in tense grounds. There may be fights/bashings/disputes when all people want to do is celebrate and talk about their faith. The sticky may also be bogged down by one religion that is very popular and other religions wouldn't feel welcome.

A religious forum may behave the same way. It may be bogged down by certain religions and others don't feel welcome. A place to celebrate or discuss faith is very personal and the admins/VT may not want to offend or be that personal.

Plus, the moderators may or may not have to do more work; there could (and just saying could) be people talking about their bias, or asking and challenging why there's a teen sexuality forum and how it should be removed.

The point is, by adding any forum besides a diary to the forum, that changes the face of the forum and how people see it. Not saying religion is bad or anything, just saying that it's a little personal.

For any new forum idea not supported, always try asking for a diary of your own where you can share your ideas. You can have it themed any way you want! :D

[Antares]

Well, I will say once again that this will not happen if people are not mature and can accept other peoples opinions. At the moment, its impossible and it would not make ANY sense if we made a whole forum for religion. Also, it would not even be smart because if you think about it we would only need one thread in there. That thread would entitle all religious discussion. So no, it wont happen. I don't think it will ever happen but we can have hope:)...

[The Batman]

why would you only need one thread?