Why do people try to stop others from committing suicide?

[averygamerdude]

I seriously don't get it. I feel like people should have the right to kill themselves if they so wish. It's not like they're hurting anybody, it's a victimless crime, in fact! Even though I'm sure everyone will disagree. I think it's selfish to try and stop somebody from killing themselves. It's their choice! If they're dead, they won't be able to feel pain or work for like 10 cents an hour. I also found out that they're building a suicide net on the Golden Gate bridge. Looks like I'm gonna have to bring a blow torch with me when I jump off of there...

[Karkat]

A victimless crime? Are you kidding me?? Do you even KNOW what the aftermath of a suicide is?

Someone who loves the victim will most likely find their body, or some other innocent person.

Why is this it a big deal if it's some rando who doesn't even know them? SUICIDE IS GRAPHIC. DEATH, GRAPHIC.

There's a reason some people go into therapy after finding murder victims. Suicides can be just as bad.

Now imagine if you LOVE the person who is now a mangled corpse in front of you?

You also have to plan all these events so that they can be properly taken care of while you're still in shock and grief. People will judge you, and say awful things about you, and this person you love because suicide is so heavily misunderstood and stigmatized. Look at what happened to Zelda Williams after her father committed suicide this year. (Zelda is the daughter of the late comedian and actor Robin Williams, if you weren't already aware.)

When someone commits suicide, they leave a lot of people hurt, angry, frustrated, traumatized. People blame themselves, others. It can tear families apart.

Suicide is a complex topic, and there is a lot of grey area, because there are SOME instances that suicide is justifiable, at least in my opinion. Like when someone is terminally ill, therefore already dying, as a way to shorten suffering.

Suicide is MANY things, but victimless? Suicide is hardly any less victimless than homicide.

[CosmicNoodle]

A victimless crime? Are you kidding me?? Do you even KNOW what the aftermath of a suicide is?

Someone who loves the victim will most likely find their body, or some other innocent person.

Why is this it a big deal if it's some rando who doesn't even know them? SUICIDE IS GRAPHIC. DEATH, GRAPHIC.

There's a reason some people go into therapy after finding murder victims. Suicides can be just as bad.

Now imagine if you LOVE the person who is now a mangled corpse in front of you?

You also have to plan all these events so that they can be properly taken care of while you're still in shock and grief. People will judge you, and say awful things about you, and this person you love because suicide is so heavily misunderstood and stigmatized. Look at what happened to Zelda Williams after her father committed suicide this year. (Zelda is the daughter of the late comedian and actor Robin Williams, if you weren't already aware.)

When someone commits suicide, they leave a lot of people hurt, angry, frustrated, traumatized. People blame themselves, others. It can tear families apart.

Suicide is a complex topic, and there is a lot of grey area, because there are SOME instances that suicide is justifiable, at least in my opinion. Like when someone is terminally ill, therefore already dying, as a way to shorten suffering.

Suicide is MANY things, but victimless? Suicide is hardly any less victimless than homicide.

Perfectly said, but I still think someone should have the right to vomit suicide if they so please, its there body, no one else's. But I do think, if o wish to end MY OWN life, I should be able to. Hell, I don't see why its illegel to kill yourself, what the fuck are they gonna do about it? Throw a corpse in jail?

[averygamerdude]

A victimless crime? Are you kidding me?? Do you even KNOW what the aftermath of a suicide is?

Someone who loves the victim will most likely find their body, or some other innocent person.

Why is this it a big deal if it's some rando who doesn't even know them? SUICIDE IS GRAPHIC. DEATH, GRAPHIC.

There's a reason some people go into therapy after finding murder victims. Suicides can be just as bad.

Now imagine if you LOVE the person who is now a mangled corpse in front of you?

You also have to plan all these events so that they can be properly taken care of while you're still in shock and grief. People will judge you, and say awful things about you, and this person you love because suicide is so heavily misunderstood and stigmatized. Look at what happened to Zelda Williams after her father committed suicide this year. (Zelda is the daughter of the late comedian and actor Robin Williams, if you weren't already aware.)

When someone commits suicide, they leave a lot of people hurt, angry, frustrated, traumatized. People blame themselves, others. It can tear families apart.

Suicide is a complex topic, and there is a lot of grey area, because there are SOME instances that suicide is justifiable, at least in my opinion. Like when someone is terminally ill, therefore already dying, as a way to shorten suffering.

Suicide is MANY things, but victimless? Suicide is hardly any less victimless than homicide.

I was right when I said that EVERYONE would disagree. :/

It's just that living has become too much of a chore for me. I just don't like the idea of sitting in some security office late at night, all by myself, watching security cameras at some place that is probably gonna go bankrupt in the next month for 10 cents an hour for the rest of my life.

[Karkat]

I was right when I said that EVERYONE would disagree. :/

It's just that living has become too much of a chore for me. I just don't like the idea of sitting in some security office late at night, all by myself, watching security cameras at some place that is probably gonna go bankrupt in the next month for 10 cents an hour for the rest of my life.

Because you're kind of wrong, no offense. I mean, suicide is a victimless crime to the person who commits it maybe- in which case homicide is as well- is the person going to know any better? No. They're dead.

The whole point of "victimless" means that no one but the perpetrator is affected... And that isn't even close to correct in this case.

Honestly? I do feel for you there (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=216287), because my life is pretty much shit right now too. And I get that you were venting. It just makes me mad when suicide is taken too lightly, and I guess a lot of it is that I have...Quite a bit of knowledge about it, and how it can affect people.

When you try to kill yourself multiple times in a year, and you have some close brushes, you learn a thing or two, and realize a thing or two about what will happen when you're gone.

[averygamerdude]

Because you're kind of wrong, no offense. I mean, suicide is a victimless crime to the person who commits it maybe- in which case homicide is as well- is the person going to know any better? No. They're dead.

The whole point of "victimless" means that no one but the perpetrator is affected... And that isn't even close to correct in this case.

Honestly? I do feel for you there (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?t=216287), because my life is pretty much shit right now too. And I get that you were venting. It just makes me mad when suicide is taken too lightly, and I guess a lot of it is that I have...Quite a bit of knowledge about it, and how it can affect people.

When you try to kill yourself multiple times in a year, and you have some close brushes, you learn a thing or two, and realize a thing or two about what will happen when you're gone.

I know what you're saying, I just have a LOT of problems right now. Some of which are unsolvable, but I know that you'll disagree.

[Karkat]

I know what you're saying, I just have a LOT of problems right now. Some of which are unsolvable, but I know that you'll disagree.

In which case I guess we can agree to disagree, I guess. I just don't like suicide being treated so flippantly.

[averygamerdude]

I still wish I was dead, though.

[Karkat]

I still wish I was dead, though.

Hey, I understand.

I'm not expecting my words to just automatically make you feel different, because I know they won't. And I know that you're rationalizing things at this point (Which means you need to get help, because that is a very dangerous place to be. I know.), however, I'm not going to pussyfoot around the topic either.

And you know, maybe I was a little harsh, and I'm sorry for that, it's just hard for me to not feel angry or emotional over a topic like this.

I know that all the factual information about death and suicide, all the horror stories in the world couldn't change your mind because I've been there. I know what it's like to just want to be gone. I still feel that way. A lot. Certainly a lot more than I let on here, or anywhere else.

The thing is, I'm sick. I have bipolar disorder, I have generalized anxiety disorder, and my old therapist hinted very heavily that I might have borderline personality disorder.

It is practically normal for me to want to die. Because I'm sick. Were I healthy and sound of mind, this would not be normal.

Suicidal thoughts are a symptom of illness. You are sick. Sick people need help. If you were able to get help, you might find that you find a reason to live. That dying isn't such an obvious option anymore.

I'm not saying you'll be "cured", and I'm not even saying that you'll never have your lows ever again... But life can be kind of nice. Don't you have dreams? Goals? Don't you have some crazy fantasy that makes you happy inside until you remember just how crazy it is?

Reality can really hurt, but sometimes, we don't realize that reality isn't static, unmoving. You can change what happens in your life to some extent. Always. I promise.

I'm not saying you need to suck it up- I'd be a total hypocrite, and I don't believe it as it is.

I'm just saying that I know you're in a seriously tough place right now, and while my first reaction is to be angry at you for not "having a better attitude" or some bullshit- who knows

The truth is, I can relate to what you're saying. A lot. Ok? You're not alone.

[Ben_Frost]

I seriously don't get it. I feel like people should have the right to kill themselves if they so wish. It's not like they're hurting anybody, it's a victimless crime, in fact! Even though I'm sure everyone will disagree. I think it's selfish to try and stop somebody from killing themselves. It's their choice! If they're dead, they won't be able to feel pain or work for like 10 cents an hour. I also found out that they're building a suicide net on the Golden Gate bridge. Looks like I'm gonna have to bring a blow torch with me when I jump off of there...

It's selfish to kill yourself too, because you're not stopping to think the consequences this might have on other people. You're just looking for the easy way out for YOU and aren't giving a second though to how this may impact certain people who might actually care about you that you haven't considered. Seriously looking for a justification for suicide is way more selfish than someone trying to prevent it.

[ImagineRepublicCity]

I know it may be like 'Hey, people suck.' But after losing so many precious people this year and last year, 2 for sickness and 1 from suicide, it really hurts. See, the difference is is that it can be helped. People don't have to suffer, they just have to find someone, whereas I understand euthanasia, those are terminal illnesses which cannot be treated and cause severe pain, but even if that was legalised (here anyway), there would be a lot of rules. Suicide is a selfish kinda act I think, because when you kill yourself, you affect everyone around you, whereas if someone tries to stop you, it stops you hurting everyone around you and hey, you get to live. I think that's a bonus.

THere are always helplines and people which want to help, but some people just don't find those people, but it can always be helped. Things don't have to end there and then with suicide.

If you need someone, talk to me, because no one wants you to commit suicide.

[SethfromMI]

killing yourself is never the answer, no matter how much pain you are in. besides, the damage it does to the loved ones you leave behind...it can literally destroy the people you leave behind

[James Dean]

Usually people contemplating suicide feel alone and helpless. Knowing suicide signs from a loved one or even a stranger, and preventing a suicide from happening is very important and is sadly often overlooked and not fully understood. I don't find it selfish at all. It would be selfish if I saw someone in dire help and didn't do anything.

The fact someone is coming to aid to help them and possibly save them from making a rash and permanent decision to a most often than not temporary problem, and enlightening them with the realization that, someone is there for them, you are loved, live life the way it's meant to be. You're letting the bullies, the enemies, the evil thoughts win. We are all winners and all have a place in the earth.

[AussieBoi98]

I seriously don't get it. I feel like people should have the right to kill themselves if they so wish. It's not like they're hurting anybody, it's a victimless crime, in fact! Even though I'm sure everyone will disagree. I think it's selfish to try and stop somebody from killing themselves. It's their choice! If they're dead, they won't be able to feel pain or work for like 10 cents an hour. I also found out that they're building a suicide net on the Golden Gate bridge. Looks like I'm gonna have to bring a blow torch with me when I jump off of there...


I fully disagree it isn't a victimless crime it affects your entire family your friends and just about anyone you had a relationship of some sort with and i think people try to stop others because the one trying to commit suicide arnt thinking right at the time but the person who's trying to stop you normally is, if i seen someone trying to kill themselves id try and stop them.

[averygamerdude]

It's selfish to kill yourself too, because you're not stopping to think the consequences this might have on other people. You're just looking for the easy way out for YOU and aren't giving a second though to how this may impact certain people who might actually care about you that you haven't considered. Seriously looking for a justification for suicide is way more selfish than someone trying to prevent it.

I'm just planning on doing it because I'm tired of this bulls***!

TIRED!

I'm not saying you'll be "cured", and I'm not even saying that you'll never have your lows ever again... But life can be kind of nice. Don't you have dreams? Goals?


Well, I used to have dreams and goals. And sure, I guess life can be kinda nice, but not completely. It has to be completely nice and I need to have recovered all the time I lost doing useless bulls***. The latter is impossible. Which means there's no point in going on if I'm just gonna be putting up with infinite bulls***.

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[Pulp501]

I'm kind of appalled at what you said. For the same reasons that others have already explained. Anytime someone is trying to commit suicide you should try to stop them, but if they succeed it doesn't mean they were selfish, just mentally ill. Also, suicide isn't really a "choice". Its a conscious decision, but when you are so depressed that you want to kill yourself you aren't in the right state of mind, you cant always completely comprehend what your doing and what the consequences will be.

[Karkat]

I'm kind of appalled at what you said. For the same reasons that others have already explained. Anytime someone is trying to commit suicide you should try to stop them, but if they succeed it doesn't mean they were selfish, just mentally ill. Also, suicide isn't really a "choice". Its a conscious decision, but when you are so depressed that you want to kill yourself you aren't in the right state of mind, you cant always completely comprehend what your doing and what the consequences will be.

Basically, I couldn't say it any better than this. I know you're pretty insistent on knowing what you think you want, but the truth is that you're depressed, and that kinda inhibits you from the clarity of mind needed to make that decision.

[averygamerdude]

I'm kind of appalled at what you said. For the same reasons that others have already explained. Anytime someone is trying to commit suicide you should try to stop them, but if they succeed it doesn't mean they were selfish, just mentally ill. Also, suicide isn't really a "choice". Its a conscious decision, but when you are so depressed that you want to kill yourself you aren't in the right state of mind, you cant always completely comprehend what your doing and what the consequences will be.

There are no bad things that'll happen if you're dead, though.

[Hideous]

There are no bad things that'll happen if you're dead, though.

Yeah, but like what Ren said, it'll have a huge impact on those who really care about you. Do you really want to see them suffer? (not trying to pick on you or anything) but there's so much to life, why end it? Try to find the good in the bad, and if you feel hopeless, you have friends and family to guide you.

[averygamerdude]

Yeah, but like what Ren said, it'll have a huge impact on those who really care about you. Do you really want to see them suffer? (not trying to pick on you or anything) but there's so much to life, why end it? Try to find the good in the bad, and if you feel hopeless, you have friends and family to guide you.

But the bad outnumbers the good 100/1. About me impacting them, it's not fair that I have to stay on this planet in horrible agony, but if I'm dead, I can't feel pain, and I won't be able to see them suffer. Also, why end it? The question really is... Why not end it?!

[Pulp501]

There are no bad things that'll happen if you're dead, though.

Neither will anything good. The great thing about life is it
's so full of possibilities, death is very permanent.

[averygamerdude]

Neither will anything good. The great thing about life is it
's so full of possibilities, death is very permanent.

I don't care if nothing good happens. I'd rather have nothing happen at all than have bad happen all the stinkin' time!

[Desuetude]

Honestly, people try to prevent others from killing themself for their own benefit. They don't care about that persons suffering, when they're talking someone out of attempting they're thinking about themself. How they would cope without that person in their life, the guilt they'd feel if the person went through with it, blah blah blah.

Human beings are selfish, it's in our nature to be, so although trying to talk someone out of it is considered a good thing to most I guess I just have controversial opinions on the topic which I'm not going to go into because I in no way encourage my views and I will always go along with the norm and talk the people close to me away from attempting. People that are suicidal are always made to feel guilty about thinking about it "you're being selfish to those that care about you" but people tend to steer away from the pain that the person is feeling to want to end their own life in the first place. Not really fair, is it?

Ehh, I'm just rambling now and I have loads else to say about the topic but feel like those opinions wouldn't be right to go into detail about, especially on this forum. People that are having suicidal thoughts should turn to every other possibe option with the help of those around them.

[AceofSpades97]

There are many obvious reasons why you would stop someone to kill himself. Suicide is never a solution to your problems and it only hurts your surroundings. And it's all about the persons who do care about you all those morons who bully and tease you should see them as a mist they are not important nor are they right in what they do. And it's important to stay alive to see the bright sides of it.

[sweetcake]

I don't care if nothing good happens. I'd rather have nothing happen at all than have bad happen all the stinkin' time!

Hang in there. For your whole life, has there never been anything good that's happened to you?
Here are a some.
You have eyes, you could see the people you love. There are a lot who couldn't even see, but they appreciate the beauty of life.
You have hands and feet, you could run into their open arms and hug the people you love. There are a lot who don't have what you do.
You have a working brain, if you don't, you wouldn't be here.
Hell, you've got internet, around 70% of the world don't have the privileges that you have.

Okay, i'm not being fair, I don't even know what you're going through-or how hard it is. But if you open your eyes to the world outside, there are thousands of teens in this world who are in a worse condition than yours. Plenty would want to switch positions with you if they could.

Take those with cancer or another deadly disease, what would they think if someone healthy took away his life for granted? While they had to struggle and work hard, so, so hard to get through another day.

[averygamerdude]

Hang in there. For your whole life, has there never been anything good that's happened to you?
Here are a some.
You have eyes, you could see the people you love. There are a lot who couldn't even see, but they appreciate the beauty of life.
You have hands and feet, you could run into their open arms and hug the people you love. There are a lot who don't have what you do.
You have a working brain, if you don't, you wouldn't be here.
Hell, you've got internet, around 70% of the world don't have the privileges that you have.

Okay, i'm not being fair, I don't even know what you're going through-or how hard it is. But if you open your eyes to the world outside, there are thousands of teens in this world who are in a worse condition than yours. Plenty would want to switch positions with you if they could.

Take those with cancer or another deadly disease, what would they think if someone healthy took away his life for granted? While they had to struggle and work hard, so, so hard to get through another day.

Appreciate your help, but I envy those with a deadly disease, because they get freedom from all of the horrible, brutal pain in this world. And I'm in the 70% that doesn't have any stuff. I've got internet, sure, but it's only used on my crappy laptop (But I'm gonna get a decent gaming rig soon). I don't have satellite television, I don't have a car, I rarely ever get anything to eat, I have only a small handful of friends, and I live in the worst state in the worst country in the world. (If you must know, it's Arkansas in the United States.)

My life is never as good as people think it is. I've barely got crap.

[DeadEyes]

It's just a simple reflex, people feel like they have to talk you out of it with the usual stuff.

[phuckphace]

speaking as someone who comes from an upper-middle class family, I thought it would be worth mentioning that...guess what...the grass isn't greener on this side. I've got cable and a fancy gaming PC so I should be the happiest contentest mofo in the room - but then I turn on said PC and get to read all about how the country is sliding into the shitter and how powerless I am to do anything about it. I don't know exactly what you think would change if you suddenly woke up tomorrow with a million dollars in your bank account, but I can tell you're caught up in a spiral of envy. believe me dude, it's not worth it, at all.

Quick question: how much money do you think was sitting in Robin Williams' bank account when he killed himself?

[sweetcake]

Appreciate your help, but I envy those with a deadly disease, because they get freedom from all of the horrible, brutal pain in this world. And I'm in the 70% that doesn't have any stuff. I've got internet, sure, but it's only used on my crappy laptop (But I'm gonna get a decent gaming rig soon). I don't have satellite television, I don't have a car, I rarely ever get anything to eat, I have only a small handful of friends, and I live in the worst state in the worst country in the world. (If you must know, it's Arkansas in the United States.)

My life is never as good as people think it is. I've barely got crap.

I've never been to arkansas but when I typed it on google, I think your state has very beautiful landscapes. It must be very peaceful there.
My dad, he was the 3rd son of 12. He lived in a very remote village, no cars, no nothing. His family were farmers, and with that much children, they struggled to even pay for school. My dad had to work since he was 9 years old, he had to walk for miles to get to school. None had any high education, most ended their studies in HS. No hope. Yet he worked so hard day and night, he was the first in his family to graduate from college. Now he's a CEO in a corporate company. While most of his siblings are still stuck in the village.
If someone with that kind of background could succeed. I'm sure if you work hard, you could get even further than him. Think of your future, you could get out of that crappy life if you fight for it. Stay positive:)

Enough of the pep talk, what's really troubling you? Sharing your problems with someone helps quite a lot. Confide to a counselor or at least talk with a friend. I'm sure there's a bigger problem that you're going through.

[averygamerdude]

I've never been to arkansas but when I typed it on google, I think your state has very beautiful landscapes. It must be very peaceful there.
My dad, he was the 3rd son of 12. He lived in a very remote village, no cars, no nothing. His family were farmers, and with that much children, they struggled to even pay for school. My dad had to work since he was 9 years old, he had to walk for miles to get to school. None had any high education, most ended their studies in HS. No hope. Yet he worked so hard day and night, he was the first in his family to graduate from college. Now he's a CEO in a corporate company. While most of his siblings are still stuck in the village.
If someone with that kind of background could succeed. I'm sure if you work hard, you could get even further than him. Think of your future, you could get out of that crappy life if you fight for it. Stay positive:)

Enough of the pep talk, what's really troubling you? Sharing your problems with someone helps quite a lot. Confide to a counselor or at least talk with a friend. I'm sure there's a bigger problem that you're going through.

Trust me, Arkansas isn't as grand as you think it is. It's extremely boring and all of the buildings are falling apart and in a state of disrepair. It kind of feels like I live in the universe of this game series called "Fallout", because there's so much wreckage in this place. And if you want me to talk with you, then fine. I will. But don't expect me to be "positive".

[Hyper]

I seriously don't get it. I feel like people should have the right to kill themselves if they so wish. It's not like they're hurting anybody, it's a victimless crime, in fact! Even though I'm sure everyone will disagree. I think it's selfish to try and stop somebody from killing themselves. It's their choice! If they're dead, they won't be able to feel pain or work for like 10 cents an hour. I also found out that they're building a suicide net on the Golden Gate bridge. Looks like I'm gonna have to bring a blow torch with me when I jump off of there...

Because people killing themselves are not in their right state of mind.

There are some who would claim or talk about ''metaphysical suicide'' but I consider that to be rubbish.

[averygamerdude]

Because people killing themselves are not in their right state of mind.

There are some who would claim or talk about ''metaphysical suicide'' but I consider that to be rubbish.

First of all, they are totally in their right state of mind. Second, what's "metaphysical suicide"?

[Karkat]

First of all, they are totally in their right state of mind. Second, what's "metaphysical suicide"?

How do you know? Are you a neurologist or a neuroscientist?

[averygamerdude]

How do you know? Are you a neurologist or a neuroscientist?

I know because I know what it's like to be them, and I feel like my thoughts are perfectly fine.

[Karkat]

I know because I know what it's like to be them, and I feel like my thoughts are perfectly fine.

If you don't know anything about the brain, you can't say anything about the brain.

[averygamerdude]

If you don't know anything about the brain, you can't say anything about the brain.

I know that humans should be able to make whatever choice they want to make, even if that means taking their own life.

[Karkat]

I know that humans should be able to make whatever choice they want to make, even if that means taking their own life.

That's irrelevant to if someone is in their right state of mind when making said decision.

[averygamerdude]

That's irrelevant to if someone is in their right state of mind when making said decision.

But they are in the right state of mind.

[Karkat]

But they are in the right state of mind.

That's your opinion, not fact.

[averygamerdude]

That's your opinion, not fact.

:/ If you say so, Joe.

[Verminicious Knid]

You have to take into consideration that people would care about the suicidal person in question, wouldn't want them to cut short any chance that their life could improve and put their family and friends through heart-ache.

[romes3]

I seriously don't get it. I feel like people should have the right to kill themselves if they so wish. It's not like they're hurting anybody, it's a victimless crime, in fact! Even though I'm sure everyone will disagree. I think it's selfish to try and stop somebody from killing themselves. It's their choice! If they're dead, they won't be able to feel pain or work for like 10 cents an hour. I also found out that they're building a suicide net on the Golden Gate bridge. Looks like I'm gonna have to bring a blow torch with me when I jump off of there...

I agree that a person should have a choice. But at the same time, your hurting a lot of people. People care, even if they have a weird way of showing it. As someone who has attempted, I can say that its selfish to commit suicide, not trying to stop them.

[averygamerdude]

I agree that a person should have a choice. But at the same time, your hurting a lot of people. People care, even if they have a weird way of showing it. As someone who has attempted, I can say that its selfish to commit suicide, not trying to stop them.

I'm running out of options, though.

[CreativeUsername]

If no one tried to make me feel better, I don't know if I'd be here today, and I'm grateful that people helped. That's why people help, and I think it's the right thing to do.

[Kate]

I'm running out of options, though.

If your depression is so severe and going to psychiatrists and therapists don't help, then there is the option of electroconvulsive therapy. There are also other means you can take, too. Just talk to people who have dealt with what you've dealt and find solutions for your depression that aren't suicide. Your impact won't affect you when you're dead, but it will definitely affect others.

[MrIncredible]

Think about it like this when you wanna commit suicide just think is it really worth what will this solve the only it's going to do is "end your suffering" but it will pass it on to your family and the others who care about you and they might feel anger towards you because it's like you just left them like you didn't care enough about them to stick around and be optimistic and be patient and wait for the good things to roll in "Patience is a virtue and a virtue is a grace put the both together bd u get a happy face"- an Angel ❤��

[averygamerdude]

If your depression is so severe and going to psychiatrists and therapists don't help, then there is the option of electroconvulsive therapy. There are also other means you can take, too. Just talk to people who have dealt with what you've dealt and find solutions for your depression that aren't suicide. Your impact won't affect you when you're dead, but it will definitely affect others.

Electric shock therapy? No, that means they're trying to brainwash me, but I can't be broken. Also, there is no other solution, because I can't live with myself knowing there are problems that I can't solve.

[DeadEyes]

because I can't live with myself knowing there are problems that I can't solve.

Some problems may seem unresolvable at one moment but then you may find a solution later on. When you hit a wall, you either try to break through it, climb it, or go around it or again you just let yourself die in front of it, that's your choice as you said so well.

[Jaseblader]

I seriously don't get it. I feel like people should have the right to kill themselves if they so wish. It's not like they're hurting anybody, it's a victimless crime, in fact! Even though I'm sure everyone will disagree. I think it's selfish to try and stop somebody from killing themselves. It's their choice! If they're dead, they won't be able to feel pain or work for like 10 cents an hour. I also found out that they're building a suicide net on the Golden Gate bridge. Looks like I'm gonna have to bring a blow torch with me when I jump off of there...

I 100% agree with you if you love something you must let it go and no matter how much you think they love you back, if they want to kill themselves they dont

[averygamerdude]

Some problems may seem unresolvable at one moment but then you may find a solution later on. When you hit a wall, you either try to break through it, climb it, or go around it or again you just let yourself die in front of it, that's your choice as you said so well.

I could be seen like that, except the wall is indestructible and stretches to infinity both vertically and horizontally

[Karkat]

Electric shock therapy? No, that means they're trying to brainwash me, but I can't be broken. Also, there is no other solution, because I can't live with myself knowing there are problems that I can't solve.

1. ECT isn't brainwashing. Along that line of thinking, any medication you could take that alters mental state, any recreational drug, caffeine, alcohol, or even thinking positively are all "brainwashing".

So I guess if you don't want to be brainwashed, make sure you never change your perspective, or anything that could alter your mind chemically, because that is all ECT is.

2. Also, no one can solve all their problems. No one. We should all be dead then, correct?

[DeadEyes]

the wall is indestructible and stretches to infinity both vertically and horizontally

I was going to say the same thing concerning the wall I'm facing.

[averygamerdude]

1. ECT isn't brainwashing. Along that line of thinking, any medication you could take that alters mental state, any recreational drug, caffeine, alcohol, or even thinking positively are all "brainwashing".

So I guess if you don't want to be brainwashed, make sure you never change your perspective, or anything that could alter your mind chemically, because that is all ECT is.

2. Also, no one can solve all their problems. No one. We should all be dead then, correct?

1. I suppose you could say it's brainwashing, but there's a difference from thinking negatively and realistically.

2. I never said everyone SHOULD be dead, or deserves to die. You can stick around, if you want... But I think everyone is better off dead than having to put up with unsolvable problems and BS.

[Karkat]

1. I suppose you could say it's brainwashing, but there's a difference from thinking negatively and realistically.

2. I never said everyone SHOULD be dead, or deserves to die. You can stick around, if you want... But I think everyone is better off dead than having to put up with unsolvable problems and BS.

That was completely irrelevant.

Everyone has to put up with unsolvable problems and BS every now and then. By your logic, no one should live, correct?

[averygamerdude]

That was completely irrelevant.

Everyone has to put up with unsolvable problems and BS every now and then. By your logic, no one should live, correct?

Well, I think that people should live if they want to, but their lives would probably be more relaxing and stress free if they just perish.

[Karsten]

There could be many reasons.

- Because they genuinely care
- They want to be heroic
- For themselves - for their ego

And more, probably.

[Karkat]

Well, I think that people should live if they want to, but their lives would probably be more relaxing and stress free if they just perish.

And I respect your opinion; I just don't agree with it.

[averygamerdude]

And I respect your opinion; I just don't agree with it.

Which is fine, I'm just not a masochist.

[averygamerdude]

There could be many reasons.

- Because they genuinely care
- They want to be heroic
- For themselves - for their ego

And more, probably.

If they cared, then they wouldn't try to stop them.

Also, stopping someone from killing themselves is a sadistic act, not a heroic one at all.

How would it benefit them?