Scientific Proof that God Exists.

[The Batman]

This site is all about the scientific properties of the bible and how you can use logic and reasoning to prove god is there

http://www.proofgodexists.org/

I dare you to check it out and click most the links.

[Whisper]

TWPR --> ROTW

[Underground_Network]

Okay, so there's scientific proof. It doesn't mean that god is who we think god is. In fact, who's to say what or who god is. There are so many damn religions and so many damn gods that how do we know which frikkin' god is which? WHAT IS GOD?

You can say He is the creator of the universe, but what is he, what does he look like? Who is to say there is just one? Who is to say he has human features? Who is to say that this God we speak of isn't but an "alien" or superior life form?

[Prince Jellyfish]

That site is really hard to navigate. Cut and paste your fundamental arguments.

[serial-thrilla]

The fact that some higher life exists is quite possible, however i highly doubt its the "god" that is written about in the bible.

[The Batman]

I belive that alot of the bible's true meanings were lost in translation and maybe even purposely changed for selfish reasons

There are alot of links on the site all the main ones are at the top and a few quotes are at the bottom

[Prince Jellyfish]

I belive that alot of the bible's true meanings were lost in translation and maybe even purposely changed for selfish reasons

There are alot of links on the site all the main ones are at the top and a few quotes are at the bottom


Well DUH. The whole thing is a misogynistic, hateful mess =/

[The Batman]

I know its sloppy and looks like a nine year old made it but the links have so much good information just click whats in light blue

Here are some links http://www.proofgodexists.org/new_testament_mentions_evolution.htm
http://www.proofgodexists.org/anthropic_principle.htm
http://www.proofgodexists.org/relativity.htm
http://www.proofgodexists.org/genesis_and_the_big_bang_theory.htm
http://www.proofgodexists.org/trinity_and_the_human_brain.htm
I'm to lazy to give anymore links but trust me there's more

[tombstonequeen]

WTF?
GAIA AND HYPER GAIA HYPOTHSIS?
how dare anyone think of mother earth as a type of hypothesis
ok dark u seriously need to quit

[japanman]

hahah thats so slow .. lol man cant they just ask them selves what created what it all leads to one thing "it" lol man i already knew this

[redcar]

That site is interesting. Not in a good way though. Personally I see that site as nothing more than crap. An experiment like this:
If you sincerely pray the above prayer, my theory is, you will not realize how well it worked until you find yourself quietly and gently changing.
To me that sums it up really.

Faith is something you should never have to prove. If you don't believe then you don't believe. A faith is not meant to be proven, if it could be then its not a faith.

[Underground_Network]

Faith is something you should never have to prove. If you don't believe then you don't believe. A faith is not meant to be proven, if it could be then its not a faith.

QFT

Completely true Alex, you hit it right on the money [as we Americans say] :wink:

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

About the argument I here over and over again as proof for a creator. the, "is there ever a painting w/out a painter?" argument. First of all, how can you call that proof? That is an argument, not irrefutable proof. Secondly, We know that a painter painted the painting because there is no way it could have made itself. However we DONT know that a god created this universe, there is nothing to compare it to (i.e, other paintings)
Why must we assume there is a creator because everything is so beautiful? And moreover, why must we assume the creator will send us to a fiery hell if we arent good people adn accept the creator? Why cant we just enjoy the earth and the universe for the amazing thing it is, instead of imposing and threateing people into a religion, restricting people's lives to a bare minimum.

[The Batman]

Noone is imposing or threatening people into religion. Since you brought up the painter and painting point here's a question. Where did we come from, we didn't just simply appear. I know that there is a Big Bang Theory but what caused it in the first place. Science is just as vague and confusing as religion because neither one can explain everything. What I think is that people like me need religion in there life just like people like you need science. We need some kind of explanation to why we are here and we each found it our own way. Religion makes me happy and it makes other peole happy as well so why not just leave it at that, whatever makes us happy is what we need.

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

Noone is imposing or threatening people into religion. Since you brought up the painter and painting point here's a question. Where did we come from, we didn't just simply appear. I know that there is a Big Bang Theory but what caused it in the first place. Science is just as vague and confusing as religion because neither one can explain everything. What I think is that people like me need religion in there life just like people like you need science. We need some kind of explanation to why we are here and we each found it our own way. Religion makes me happy and it makes other peole happy as well so why not just leave it at that, whatever makes us happy is what we need.

Maybe sometime in the future science will be able to explain these mysteries, but at least we are trying to come up with a probably explanation. I do agree that some people need religion for whatever reason, and that it may be helpful for some. But I cant leave it at that. Because in my opinion, willfully believing in something that isnt there is harmful, we treat Schizophrenics who have similar delusions, the next step is to treat irrationalities like belief in a magical deity. Drugs make people happy too, but I dont feel safe with people hopped up on Cocaine driving around. Whatever makes us happy is not what we need, there are boundaries. (My opinion)

[The Batman]

I doubt that you could hurt yourself with religion, there are no negative health side effects and you can't O.D. on it and besides I could make the same statement against atheism Its always fun to debate you Yuri

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

I doubt that you could hurt yourself with religion, there are no negative health side effects and you can't O.D. on it and besides I could make the same statement against atheism Its always fun to debate you Yuri

Im not really saying that religion is hurting you; I am simply saying that believing in a magical sky being is as unhealthy as a Schizophrenics delusions. Maybe even more so because it is a willing delusion, unlike a Schizophrenic. You aer right, you cant OF on it, but you certainly can become a righteous a**hole and harm those around you. And how can you say teh same thing about atheism? Atheism has no delusions, Atheism denying the delusions.

And I have lots of fun debating you too DT ( I forgot your name:P)

[The Batman]

I meant from a religious point of view I could use the same arguments and I hate people who are to holy and ultra religious that is why people think so illy of religious right now becasue they take it too far (look at my rep bar :))

AND MY NAME IS THOMAS how could you forget it we go back way before this site

[Hauptmann Kauffman]

I meant from a religious point of view I could use the same arguments and I hate people who are to holy and ultra religious that is why people think so illy of religious right now becasue they take it too far (look at my rep bar :))

I agree, they do take it too far from a moderate point of view, but then again, that is because they follow every poiint of the religion. You could say they are the only "real" followers :P (Nice rep man!)

[LxNearxHunny]

Noone is imposing or threatening people into religion. Since you brought up the painter and painting point here's a question. Where did we come from, we didn't just simply appear. I know that there is a Big Bang Theory but what caused it in the first place. Science is just as vague and confusing as religion because neither one can explain everything. What I think is that people like me need religion in there life just like people like you need science. We need some kind of explanation to why we are here and we each found it our own way. Religion makes me happy and it makes other peole happy as well so why not just leave it at that, whatever makes us happy is what we need.

Okay, how did god come to be then? If you respond with, "He's always been", then why couldn't us humans have just "Always been"?

[Atonement]

Why cant we just enjoy the earth and the universe for the amazing thing it is?

I found this statement interesting. And I know you are atheist and all, but, just throwing out: 1 John 3:16, "For God so loved the world that he gave his only son so that all who believed in him could have eternal life."

One of the fruits of people's faith is that when everyone else dies, we keep living, we keep living in eternal life. I know you are probably just going to say how do you know? And honestly, no, I cannot answer that question. But, I have faith, and faith is obviously enough. (John 3:16)

To be frank, I faith and Christ have saved me MANY times in my life. Take just last night, I was about to cut. I was trying so hard not to do it again, when a friend called. She and I met at a concert a couple weeks back. She some how knew that something was wrong. I guess she could hear it in my voice. And for some reason, I poured my guts out to her about my anxiety attacks (which I was practically having one on the phone), depression, suicide, cutting, and all that jazz. Through prayer and faith, and through christ, I am still here. Last night, I literally was set on killing myself. I had the razors to my wrists, just ready to go, when I heard my phone ring. There is a reason she called out of the blue. There is a reason that I am still here today. If it had not been for God acting with and through my friend, I would be dead, right now.

Really, I dont care how you try to contradict what I believe, because what I believe is just that. I believe. Faith is all I need. Faith is all I have.

[Dolphus Raymond]

Addison,

I want to say this as respectfully as possible. Obviously, your faith is important to you. I don't have any interest in trying to destroy it (I doubt I could anyway); I just want to explain where, as a non-Christian, I'm coming from.

I found this statement interesting. And I know you are atheist and all, but, just throwing out: 1 John 3:16, "For God so loved the world that he gave his only son so that all who believed in him could have eternal life."

One of the fruits of people's faith is that when everyone else dies, we keep living, we keep living in eternal life. I know you are probably just going to say how do you know? And honestly, no, I cannot answer that question. But, I have faith, and faith is obviously enough. (John 3:16)

There's really no way to respond to this logically. It's something you believe, as you said without explanation. And I'm glad it gives you strength. But does it really bring you comfort that the non-religious do not get eternal life, or at least get eternal torment, simply because they were born to the wrong parents, or were decent people who thought the wrong things? It doesn't seem very comforting to me.

Really, I dont care how you try to contradict what I believe, because what I believe is just that. I believe. Faith is all I need. Faith is all I have.

But the idea of there being no faith outside of religion is just not at all true. I have faith. I have faith in love and morality and decency. No, I don't necessarily believe that anyone is "pulling the strings." But there is a mortal glory. The world, not to sound like a Hallmark special, is full of people willing to give love and decency.

As a non-Christian, I don't see your friend's phone call as an act of God. I see it as a product of circumstance. But I do think there is a reason she called out of the blue - because she cares about you. Because people, despite their flaws, I believe have a fundamental desire to do decent things.

Perhaps you don't find that all very comforting, but agnosticism/atheism is not the black morass of meaningless nihilism some think.

(I hope that none of this came across as condescending or dickish. Having seen how important various types of faith is to many people, especially when times are tough, I have nothing but respect for how you're feeling. I just disagree with the philosophy behind it.)

[*Dissident*]

People say "How can there be such a beautiful thing as the universe without a divine creator?".

Carl Sagan said it best (paraphrasing, of course): There is a creator. it is a natural process that has so far taken over 4 billion years, with beauty and grace, to produce all the beauty we see today. Evolution is divine in its own right.

[Prince Jellyfish]

People say "How can there be such a beautiful thing as the universe without a divine creator?".

Carl Sagan said it best (paraphrasing, of course): There is a creator. it is a natural process that has so far taken over 4 billion years, with beauty and grace, to produce all the beauty we see today. Evolution is divine in its own right.

There's nothing more beautiful than science. :wub:

[The Entertainer]

oh, lovely statement!

Faith is a good thing, but if I were trying to prove something on faith alone, then I couldnt do it. So for some, faith does the trick, but for others, it looks somewhat odd. Faith can comfort, but does it lead to the truth about the question of God? The answer is that as a logical process of proving anything, it doesnt, but by having faith alone, you might actually have the right answer.

Myself, Im a strong rationalist: Things should only be believed if there is good hard evidence to support it. Therefore, I am agnostic in some respects.

[Atonement]

As a non-Christian, I don't see your friend's phone call as an act of God. I see it as a product of circumstance. But I do think there is a reason she called out of the blue - because she cares about you. Because people, despite their flaws, I believe have a fundamental desire to do decent things.

I realize what you say, but really, I hadnt spoken to her for about two months. No contact. And out of the blue comes a phonecall from someone that I barely know that the first thing they said was "Are you okay?" I have a very hard time calling that coincidence. No offense at all.

[Dolphus Raymond]

I realize what you say, but really, I hadnt spoken to her for about two months. No contact. And out of the blue comes a phonecall from someone that I barely know that the first thing they said was "Are you okay?" I have a very hard time calling that coincidence. No offense at all.

I don't take offense. I'm an agnostic - the idea of God existing doesn't offend me in the least bit. So no worries... :)

(Edit: I've removed the rest of my post. Addison, you're clearly using your belief for decency and self-sustenance. I don't have any reason to argue with it...I disagree with its basis, but I think it does more good in the world than bad. I'm letting my intellectual ego get ahead of my sense of discretion. I'm sorry for bringing this up.)

[Justin.]

You dont need Scientific proof for god to excist. God is God. If you believe, good for you. If not, that's great too!

[A.J.]

The bible as written by ORDINARY PEOPLE. It has STORIES to help people learn lessons. Im sure it wasnt written as 'THE ALMIGHTY HANDBOOK REQUIRED FOR LIVING'

[japanman]

lol "IT" but wat makes me wonder is why name "IT".