Single-sex schools are good for education???

[CosmicNoodle]

Well, what do you think in the topic? This came u in a debate I was having with a "friend" (person I like to lite heartedly debate will, get infuratingly mad at but still like just for the interlectual challange) and he's convinced single sex schools are good because there are less "distractions"

In my opinion thats BULLSHIT, how is one suposed to develop proper social and relationship skills if one is segregated from the other sex? Surely that does a LOT of long term damage, and outweights the advantages (I dont think there are any advantages but I will entertain the idea for this debate)

Anyway:
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[Stronk Serb]

I agree with you. 100%.

[CosmicNoodle]

I agree with you. 100%.

Well, I was hoping for a total shit storm of arguing, so far I'm disapointed,

[Hideous]

In my opinion thats BULLSHIT, how is one suposed to develop proper social and relationship skills if one is segregated from the other sex? Surely that does a LOT of long term damage, and outweights the advantages (I dont think there are any advantages but I will entertain the idea for this debate)

I totally agree. Then again, I think it's just personal preference. Some single sex schools do get better academic results than mixed but socially, some people will have a rough time communicating with the opposite sex.

[Vlerchan]

It's been documented that single-sex education leaves girls better off. It's arguable how strong this education is but it has tended to be repeated. Here's what's probably the best study.

[On Pre-College Test Scores]

Table 3 presents the estimates for Korean and English, separately, for the effects of single-sex schools on college entrance exam (CSAT) scores among high school senior girls. We estimate two models for each test score: Model 1 for the gross effect and Model 2 for the net effect controlling for the other school characteristics discussed above. In Model 1-1 for Korean, high school female seniors who attend all-girls schools show significantly higher mean scores than their peers who attend coeducational schools. Because these test scores were standardized to have a mean of 100 points and a standard deviation of 20 points, the coefficient of 1.3 corresponds to 6.5 percent of one standard deviation. 10 In Model 2-1 for English, the coefficient of all-girls schools is similar to that for Korean in Model 1-1, but is not statistically significant.

In Models 1-2 and 2-2, we control for the proportion of students receiving lunch support, teaching experience and years of schooling among teachers, the senior students-teacher ratio, and private schools. Controlling for these five school-level variables hardly affects the estimated effects of all-girls schools on college entrance exam scores. Because of reduced standard errors, the coefficient estimate for English even becomes significant in Model 2-2.

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It's notable that girls who went to single-sex schools also tend to do better in college.

As a radical feminist this obviously puts me in a sticky spot. I think the segregation has negative social effects (in that it solidifies further the split between males and females) but at the same time it leaves girls better off academically. Maybe I'll have a position by the end of the thread.

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I also went to a public Roman Catholic single-sex school and get on fine with members of the opposite sex. Because we still saw them.

I'm arguing from personal experience here. I'm not sure what studies might say.

[TheN3rdyOutcast]

Good for academics, because you don't have to worry about the whole BF/GF thing., unless you're gay or bi, but probably devastating for social skills. All in all, co-ed schools are probably much better.

[Miserabilia]

I'm not really sure since I don't have any experience. I don't think it matters very much, depending on how much the school is part of your life. I know it's normal in a lot of countries, or well, it used to be normal, to basicly "live" at your school expect for the holidays. In that case being that seperated from the whole opposite gender is actualy a distraction itself , I think.

[jordanhardy]

Many of the worlds most expensive private schools are same sex only, they must be doing something right. I don't think I'd want to go to one as I love the social side of school and the majority of that revolves around relationships and the opposite sex. Then again the curious side of me would like to go to a same sex school

[CosmicNoodle]

Good for academics, because you don't have to worry about the whole BF/GF thing., unless you're gay or bi, but probably devastating for social skills. All in all, co-ed schools are probably much better.

It has come to my attention since making the thread that apparently some studies show better results, for girls, but not for boys (don't know why but that's how it seems to stand)
But surely the social problems created, I know a girl, lovely girl, who went to an all girls school, but she simply can't talk to guys, she's never had a boyfriend and she becomes all nervous around the opposite sex. The only reason she can tall too me is because I'm Bi (no idea why that helps, but for some reason she's not too bad with me).

[James Dean]

I always wondered that myself. I just assume it has its pros and cons like everything else. Usually students in those schools are very rich and come from highly respected backgrounds and are filthy rich so I wouldn't say by societies standards they are in danger but they might go to another school or college or university and meet new people anyways. I can see what you mean by your argument but it has many ways in which a system like that can actually be a positive.

[dakeep18]

no because part of growing is sexuality

[Uranus]

I fully agree! Single sex schools may be good, but to a certain point. Like you said, how ate we supposed to interact with the opposite gender? Communication with opposite genders is part of growing up! Yea, we can still interact with the opposite sex in our neighborhood or some shit like that. But still I think single sex schools is kinda bullshit. Plus, it would cost two times or more to make a complete different school for each county, because if there's a elementary school, middle school, and high school for each county, they would have to do that times two. So over 6 different schools per county. I think the money could be put to better use than a single sex school. I honestly don't see the purpose to have it.

[ImagineRepublicCity]

Mhm, while it may be useful in keeping things more focused on academics, it doesn't allow kids and stuff to learn social skills, which is, in fact, just as important as intelligence, because if you can't bring your point across, it is almost difficult to be able to make a living.

[Whiskers]

My friend said to me "statistically speaking their are less teen pregnancies in only male schools" I just said "OMFG"

[Xandle]

Quite simply, I accept the idea that it may be better academically to have same sex schools, but I reject the idea that school is only about grades and academic achievements. I value communication and general life skills much higher, and I don't see how these can be developed properly in same sex education.

[Babs]

I'm somewhat neutral on same-sex schools. I don't feel same-sex schools are inherently better for education than co-ed ones, and vice-versa. I think it's a stupid argument, to say that they're better because they're distraction-free. Something that needs to be taken into account when people use that argument is gay and bisexual people. Obviously, they would be just as distracted there as they would in a co-ed school.
Either way, I think the "distraction-free" mindset is kind of a dumb one. Maybe it's just me, but it's pretty easy not to get distracted simply because there was someone in the room that you found sexually attractive.