MDMA Safer then Alcohol

[NzForever]

Look at the photo I attached. I have also researched about MDMA and it really doesn't seem you bad.

Good effects: Makes you love everyone, makes you confident, makes you have a good high ect.

Only bad effect is a bit of dehydration, but alcohol would be worst?

[Karkat]

Look at the photo I attached. I have also researched about MDMA and it really doesn't seem you bad.

Good effects: Makes you love everyone, makes you confident, makes you have a good high ect.

Only bad effect is a bit of dehydration, but alcohol would be worst?

I feel like it's not quite as sunny a drug as you make it out to be, but alcohol is often highly abused.

And while I don't think MDMA gives you a hangover, I do know it can make you really fucking thirsty nonstop, and it's irritating as hell. (I had a similar reaction with a drug cocktail, and the thirstiness was ass.)

[Paladino]

You just need to be careful when your on it. The long term effects of over use of MDMA is frightening. However if you use it in moderation you should be alright in the long run. I disagree with you on the MDMA doesn't give you a hangover, it gives you a come down, and they can last for days and it makes you feel 1000x worse than an alcohol hangover. It makes you feel sad and can have users in tears for no reason other than the fact they're dopamine levels are very low.

[ImCoolBeans]

You are far from the truth. MDMA has more and far more severe negative effects than dehydration. Your core body temperature dangerously rises, and can lead to dangerous overheating. It also depletes the serotonin reserves in your brain completely, and over time can severely damage the production of the hormone. Without serotonin you will find life extremely depressing, and will encounter other psychological problems which can include, but are not limited to, memory loss, depression, and psychosis.

MDMA leaves you with a wicked hangover which is unlike the hangover experienced with other drugs like alcohol, or even LSD, because it leaves you without hormones in your brain that are vital for a stable mood. Without serotonin you will feel depressed and it can take upwards of days for it to replenish itself.

In addition to the physical and psychological dangers of MDMA/ecstasy/Molly, it's likely that you will be receiving yours cut with another toxic substance, I'm not saying it will be laced with another drug, but it will likely be cut with some kind of chemical or waste product to increase quantity, to stretch the drug further. You are very misinformed, and your research is faulty.

Please, if you're reading this, take what the OP has said with a grain of salt, MDMA should not be glorified in such a light.

[Magenta]

You are far from the truth. MDMA has more and far more severe negative effects than dehydration. Your core body temperature dangerously rises, and can lead to dangerous overheating. It also depletes the serotonin reserves in your brain completely, and over time can severely damage the production of the hormone. Without serotonin you will find life extremely depressing, and will encounter other psychological problems which can include, but are not limited to, memory loss, depression, and psychosis.

MDMA leaves you with a wicked hangover which is unlike the hangover experienced with other drugs like alcohol, or even LSD, because it leaves you without hormones in your brain that are vital for a stable mood. Without serotonin you will feel depressed and it can take upwards of days for it to replenish itself.

In addition to the physical and psychological dangers of MDMA/ecstasy/Molly, it's likely that you will be receiving yours cut with another toxic substance, I'm not saying it will be laced with another drug, but it will likely be cut with some kind of chemical or waste product to increase quantity, to stretch the drug further. You are very misinformed, and your research is faulty.

Please, if you're reading this, take what the OP has said with a grain of salt, MDMA should not be glorified in such a light.

Mike is right, especially on the point of MDMA very likely being laced with something else. Street drugs are almost always laced with something else and of course your dealer is not gonna tell you that. Whether it be another drug or or dangerous chemical, you take risks with any street drug. They can produce more with the same amount of product they'd use to make less of the "pure" stuff by shoving other crap into it that will make you think you're just taking the drug when you're probably ingesting some sort of toxic waste. And maybe you won't get hooked on the MDMA itself, but you may purposely be being sold something that is laced with something that will get you hooked so you keep coming back. There's a reason street drugs are illegal. Drug dealers aren't exactly the most honourable of people. They care about money, not you.

We all know alcohol has its pros and cons but, at least in Canada, it's very strictly monitored despite being legalized. Short of someone spiking it with roofies or cyanide while you're not looking, if you're the one buying it, you know what you're getting. Everything is about moderation if you don't want to get addicted or have a hangover. Whether it's better or worse depends on the person and how responsible they plan to be.

[Typhlosion]

You never know what you're buying on the street, something advertised as MDMA may not be MDMA. And that something else may not be as "safe" as you show MDMA to be.

Don't do drugs kids.

[phuckphace]

yeah MDMA is known to cause depression and is linked to suicide ideation as well. that's really no surprise considering that most people try the drug when they're in their teens and the brain is still undergoing development. I think it's a bad idea and you should avoid it even if you're able to find MDMA in pure, unadulterated form.

one of my friends suffers from bouts of severe depression for no apparent reason (which is the definition of clinical depression I believe) and he did E all throughout middle and high school. even after he ditched the molly and glowsticks it persisted and still does. definitely not worth it brah

[Tranced]

Yeah Mike pointed out that MDMA really is not safe, Even in small doses, Like I was taking 175mg every day for 2 weeks and when I stopped I started to have panic attacks,hear voices and I'm still stuck in an horrible depression

[Perfectly Flawed]

You really should look into multiple sources for information, especially drug related information. Many studies are faulty, or have goals other than what they claim. As soon as I read the title I knew this would be flawed information as hundreds of studies have shown completely different information and people have been exposed to other on MDMA know first hand that the effects of MDMA are much more negative than alcohol.

Neither of the drugs should be glorified, but at least alcohol in moderation is safe, regulated, and, depending on the kind, healthy.

[Decim]

That is not true. A person who uses mdma once in a year will be healthier than a person who drinks every weekend, absolutely.

But no one does things responsibly. You will do it often, and it will cause permanent damage.

[Gigablue]

The attached graph really doesn't show that MDMA is safer. The graph shows dependence liability vs active dose/lethal dose. It shows that alcohol is more addictive, and that an alcohol overdose is more dangerous. It says nothing about the long term effects of either drug when taken at sub-lethal levels. MDMA and alcohol are both highly dangerous when abused, but at least alcohol is well regulated, and generally free of adulterants. MDMA is generally abused, while alcohol is often used in moderation. Basically, the graph doesn't show what OP is claiming.

Also, being safer that alcohol doesn't mean safe. Alcohol and MDMA are both safer than heroin, but that doesn't mean you should use either. Alcohol is a serious drug when abused. Simply being safer than it doesn't mean much.

TL;DR Don't abuse alcohol or MDMA. They'll both fuck you up.

[phuckphace]

honestly I think being a regular MDMA user is a lot worse for you than being a heavy drinker. the body is able to metabolize alcohol quickly and this functions even in people with liver damage. MDMA fucks with your brain ways that alcohol doesn't.

[Typhlosion]

The attached graph really doesn't show that MDMA is safer. The graph shows dependence liability vs active dose/lethal dose. It shows that alcohol is more addictive, and that an alcohol overdose is more dangerous. It says nothing about the long term effects of either drug when taken at sub-lethal levels. MDMA and alcohol are both highly dangerous when abused, but at least alcohol is well regulated, and generally free of adulterants. MDMA is generally abused, while alcohol is often used in moderation. Basically, the graph doesn't show what OP is claiming.

Also, being safer that alcohol doesn't mean safe. Alcohol and MDMA are both safer than heroin, but that doesn't mean you should use either. Alcohol is a serious drug when abused. Simply being safer than it doesn't mean much.

TL;DR Don't abuse alcohol or MDMA. They'll both fuck you up.This graph, however, says otherwise.

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[Gigablue]

This graph, however, says otherwise.

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I read the full study that that graph is from. Anyone interested can find it here. (http://www.sg.unimaas.nl/_OLD/oudelezingen/dddsd.pdf)

The study took into account the impacts on others (crime, accidents, lost productivity, family damage, etc.) as well as the risk to the user. Because alcohol is used much more frequently than MDMA, the societal impact is greater.

However, putting this aside, they still found the MDMA was less dangerous. I'm not sure if I completely agree with their conclusion. MDMA is definitely dangerous, but it is less likely to kill someone directly. It is harder to overdose on as well. I suppose it may well be less dangerous than alcohol on a societal level.