Sex-selective abortion.

[Blood]

What do you all think about sex-selective abortions?


Definition: The abortion of a fetus based on the predicted sex of the fetus. It is most common in countries that have a high preference for males rather than females due to cultural and societal views and beliefs (e.g India and China). It, along with female infanticide, has caused major gender gaps in various countries.

What do you all think? Should it be legal for a woman to abort a fetus just because it is female?


Note: this is a question targeted at pro-choice people. If you don't agree with abortions in general and want to argue how they're oh so wrong, stay the fuck out of the discussion/debate.

[Gamma Male]

I don't really see any problem. If they want a certain gender of child and they're willing to get pregnant possibly multiple times to get it, that's their/her decision. They're not hurting anyone.

[Miserabilia]

The first question is; should a woman be able to abort?
If the answer is yes, then come other restrictions;
is a woman able to abort for whatever reason that has serious influence in her life?
If the answer is yes, she should be able to abort a baby because of the gender.
In alot of countries they will
- do this anyway, regardless of legality (china)
- desperately need more sons to keep their family alive, because the inequality or women and men

[Harry Smith]

I try to stay out of the abortion debate, because it's pretty boring tbh.

I'm not a great supporter of it-in the sense that if a family member told me they were having an abortion to get a boy/girl then I wouldn't be jumping for joy-but the thing about abortions is that in the end of the day if you truly belong to the pro-choice group then you have to accept all the reasons. It seems weird to cherrypick just for the moral highground e.g you have an abortion if you're raped but you can't have one if your life is at risk.

TL;DR: I support sex selective abortions, not enthusiastically though

[Vlerchan]

I believe that woman should have the right to abort for any reason.

It's none of my business at the end of the day.

[CosmicNoodle]

I don't really see any problem. If they want a certain gender of child and they're willing to get pregnant possibly multiple times to get it, that's their/her decision. They're not hurting anyone.

I agree and disagree at the same time, "not hurting anyone", touchy, when do you decide of the fetus is a someone? That's what I find hard to decide, I really don't think they are a person from conception, just a floating blob of cells, but still, I feel you may have unwittingly sparked a huge shit storm there, GG Gamma Male, GG.

[Gamma Male]

I agree and disagree at the same time, "not hurting anyone", touchy, when do you decide of the fetus is a someone?
When they have the capacity to feel and think.

That's what I find hard to decide, I really don't think they are a person from conception, just a floating blob of cells, but still, I feel you may have unwittingly sparked a huge shit storm there, GG Gamma Male, GG.

Nah. That last thread only got locked because I was tired of being called a baby murderer and decided to respond sarcastically.

[CosmicNoodle]

When they have the capacity to feel and think.

That's what I find hard to decide, I really don't think they are a person from conception, just a floating blob of cells, but still, I feel you may have unwittingly sparked a huge shit storm there, GG Gamma Male, GG.

Nah. That last thread only got locked because I was tired of being called a baby murderer and decided to respond sarcastically.

That's what I was thinking, without feelings or thought your not really alive, you just exist.
And abortion is really not baby murdering, its elimination of so ethong g that's not really alive. Squishing a bug is technically worse.

[Cpt_Cutter]

Considering this is legal as abortions are in NZ, I don't have an issue with it. It's an odd thing to do im my mind, but I wont stop someone from doing it.

[Gigablue]

I don't think anyone should be forced to carry a pregnancy to term if they don't want to. Restrictions on abortion mean restrictions on women's rights. While I don't think sex selective abortion is a good thing, I think it should be legally protected.

That being said, there are countries like China, where the gender ratio has been unbalanced in part be sex selective abortion. It would be a mistake to allow the gender ratio to be further distorted. Obviously, the problem of female infanticide should be addressed, which would help a lot, but sex selective abortion also needs to be addressed.

I don't think the solution is banning the abortions themselves. In extreme cases, it might be necessary to ban ultrasounds for the purpose of determining the sex of the child, but I think education would probably suffice for most places.

[TheN3rdyOutcast]

Oh it hurts. As a political independent, part of me says that an abortion should be able to take place regardless and part says that one should not abort based on gender. Politics are painful.

[Taryn98]

no, that's pretty morally void if you ask me

[Miserabilia]

Oh it hurts. As a political independent, part of me says that an abortion should be able to take place regardless and part says that one should not abort based on gender. Politics are painful.

ugh I can kind of relate. I think it's mostly situational, like, the woman should be able to provide some proof or atleast make her case of why she aborts it based on gender.

no, that's pretty morally void if you ask me

What does that mean? :what:

[Vlerchan]

I think it's mostly situational, like, the woman should be able to provide some proof or atleast make her case of why she aborts it based on gender.
I don't believe they ask you why you are getting an abortion when you go for one.

[Miserabilia]

I don't believe they ask you why you are getting an abortion when you go for one.

I know they don't atm, but I don't know It's something I would think would be better, I'm not really sure though. It's a tricky issue.

[Vlerchan]

It's something I would think would be better, I'm not really sure though.
I don't like the idea of medical practitioners interrogating (in a lot of cases: uncertain, confused and vulnerable) woman about the reasoning behind their abortions so that they can judge them on the basis of some arbitrarily defined moral standard.

In Ireland at the moment we have a similar system where woman who are suicidal as a result of their pregnancy (abortions are only legal when the prospective-mother's life is at risk) get a chance to speak to medical practitioners and explain to them why getting raped has caused them to become depressed. Then the medical practitioners get to discuss among themselves whether they think the woman will actually suicide, or whether she's exaggerating. It's a charming (http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0816/637562-abortion-refusal/) system.

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I would also presume that the woman wanting abortions for more socially unacceptable reasons that might result in them getting turned down would just lie.

[deregisterme]

In the UK, abortions are legal up to 24 weeks. There was a debate a few years ago to lower it, and it was left at that, as that seems to be the tipping point between a premature birth and a miscarriage (any child born before that to survive is extremely rare). I agree with the law that at that point the choice of abortion is removed (excepting rare medical cases that could cause loss of life etc) Having said that I am generally prolife, and do think an unborn child should get that right, though I also feel that I cannot force that on to the choice of a pregnant female. I do feel that there are valid reasons (and must admit I wouldn't force such situations as being pregnant after being raped on anyone). I do feel such reasons as this one (selective abortion due to the wrong sex or the pregnancy was a mistake) are fairly poor decisions. However, those that make those decisions have to live with their choices for the rest of their life.

[Typhlosion]

Women should have access to an abortion if they so desire, and their reasons are not up for judgment by any authorities besides the woman herself. As not-so-moral as this may seem, this is only a hurdle to be added against abortion. I reiterate, only the woman should have a saying on an abortion.

[Lovelife090994]

Wait, so basically these countries want no females? What on Earth is the world coming to? Abortion is one thing, abortion because the baby will be a girl is another and is absurd. No, no I disagree fully.

[Babs]

I don't like the idea of abortion due to a gender bias, however I have to respect the decision of those who choose to get an abortion, no matter their reason for it may be.

basically these countries want no females?
No, that's not the case. There are many reasons other than hatred of one gender, such as to balance gender ratios.

[britishboy]

What do you all think about sex-selective abortions?


Definition: The abortion of a fetus based on the predicted sex of the fetus. It is most common in countries that have a high preference for males rather than females due to cultural and societal views and beliefs (e.g India and China). It, along with female infanticide, has caused major gender gaps in various countries.

What do you all think? Should it be legal for a woman to abort a fetus just because it is female?


Note: this is a question targeted at pro-choice people. If you don't agree with abortions in general and want to argue how they're oh so wrong, stay the fuck out of the discussion/debate.

I am pro choice and my reaction after reading this was no that is absolutely terrible! However one must remove oneself from the picture and image one is in the countries in question. We do not have a problem with sexism in the UK, same with the rest of western Europe. We can also all afford children. But in the countries where this takes place parents will be reliant on income from their sons who can start work when they're young, on the other hand women can't work and they're expensive! So I can understand why they'd want to.

[dakeep18]

that is not the right way to go about it

[Verminicious Knid]

I used to be firmly Pro-Choice. But after reconsideration, I just can't see myself ever agreeing with a girl I may have impregnated, "Yeah, let's abort it". If I didn't want the child, I'd give it up for adoption. That's the more loving thing to do.

Gender selective Abortion is vile. It's sexist and just awful. Potential life lost over gender is terrible, in my opinion, it's no worse than aborting a fetus because it has Down Syndrome or Autism.

[Typhlosion]

I used to be firmly Pro-Choice. But after reconsideration, I just can't see myself ever agreeing with a girl I may have impregnated, "Yeah, let's abort it". If I didn't want the child, I'd give it up for adoption. That's the more loving thing to do.

Gender selective Abortion is vile. It's sexist and just awful. Potential life lost over gender is terrible, in my opinion, it's no worse than aborting a fetus because it has Down Syndrome or Autism.
Is it really that great of a choice? http://www.ccainstitute.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=25&Itemid=43

Nearly 40% had been homeless or couch surfed, nearly 60% of young men had been convicted of a crime, and only 48% were employed. 75% of women and 33% of men receive government benefits to meet basic needs. 50% of all youth who aged out were involved in substance use and 17% of the females were pregnant.I really don't think anyone's banalizing abortion, especially to the point where the phrase "Yeah let's abort it" would be valid.

Plus, what if the woman does not want to have a baby, whatsoever reason she has? Would you stop her, and should you?

[Miserabilia]

That's the more loving thing to do.


How?



Potential life lost

Why? I don't really see the need in having more people. We're already high on population and it's better to adopt already existing children having a terrible life than bringing more into the world yourself, isn't it?


it's no worse than aborting a fetus because it has Down Syndrome or Autism.

Again, why is that neccecairly bad? You're saving them a life of potential difficulty to themselves and you. You may think I'm like satan or whatever for saying that, but if you loose all emotional bias, what's really the better option?

How would those people feel if their parents had done it to them?

Technicaly they would literaly not feel anything becuse they would not exist.

[Body odah Man]

What do you all think about sex-selective abortions?


Definition: The abortion of a fetus based on the predicted sex of the fetus. It is most common in countries that have a high preference for males rather than females due to cultural and societal views and beliefs (e.g India and China). It, along with female infanticide, has caused major gender gaps in various countries.

What do you all think? Should it be legal for a woman to abort a fetus just because it is female?


Note: this is a question targeted at pro-choice people. If you don't agree with abortions in general and want to argue how they're oh so wrong, stay the fuck out of the discussion/debate.

I find it SICK. How can you just deprive a fetus its chance at life for being female. How would those people feel if their parents had done it to them? Or how would we who support it feel if our parents were to do it to us for being female? Or even male? Don't abort for such flimsy reasons!!

[Verminicious Knid]

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Again, why is that neccecairly bad? You're saving them a life of potential difficulty to themselves and you. You may think I'm like satan or whatever for saying that, but if you loose all emotional bias, what's really the better option?


No, I wouldn't think of you badly for saying that, it's your opinion! But I think by doing that, people would be putting people with disabilities on a lower pedestal, like they're not as deserving of life as non disabled people. People with disabilities still have capacity to love and to do great things, they should be able to have a chance at life like everybody else. Again, just my opinion.

[Miserabilia]

No, I wouldn't think of you badly for saying that, it's your opinion! But I think by doing that, people would be putting people with disabilities on a lower pedestal, like they're not as deserving of life as non disabled people. People with disabilities still have capacity to love and to do great things, they should be able to have a chance at life like everybody else. Again, just my opinion.

Okay thanks :)
That makes sense I suppose, I totaly see where you're coming from.

[averygamerdude]

I don't think that anybody should have children because life is too hard.

[queenofcontrariety]

I have no issue with abortion, do as you wish for reasons you wish, but the idea of a decision like that being made over the sex of the child honestly enrages me. Society and humans in general need women to continue the species, yes males have a very big part in it but the role a female has in reproduction takes a hell of a lot longer than the male aspect. On top of that societally we force each sex to somewhat shut down part of their psyche to achieve our idea of perfection. With sex selective abortion you're ensuring the limiting of individuals who are societally allowed to be emotional. Not that men can't be emotional but most societies won't let them.

I'm sorry I touched on so many big issues that could be their own thing it's just I couldn't really help myself.

[Bleid]

I have no issue with abortion, do as you wish for reasons you wish,

but the idea of a decision like that being made over the sex of the child honestly enrages me.

Ahem.

[phuckphace]

Ahem.

good catch. it's fine to kill your own child for any reason but um let's not be sexists about it okay? GOD

[Bleid]

I find it SICK. How can you just deprive a fetus its chance at life for being female. How would those people feel if their parents had done it to them?

I don't believe they'd be feeling much of anything if that were the case.

Or how would we who support it feel if our parents were to do it to us for being female? Or even male? Don't abort for such flimsy reasons!!

What's a good reason?

[DeadEyes]

I really don't think anyone's banalizing abortion,

There's many young women who use it as plain contraception, if that's not banalizing it, I don't know what it is.

[Gigablue]

There's many young women who use it as plain contraception, if that's not banalizing it, I don't know what it is.

Do you have a source for that? Abortion isn't a pleasant procedure, far less pleasant than other birth control methods. I imagine very few, if any, women would use it as their main method of birth control.

Also, even if people were doing that, I don't see the problem. Abortion is an issue of bodily autonomy. Regardless of the reason for the abortion, it's still a human right.

[phuckphace]

Also, even if people were doing that, I don't see the problem. Abortion is an issue of bodily autonomy. Regardless of the reason for the abortion, it's still a human right.

okay, so then let's discuss the bodily autonomy of the unborn child. I don't care whether or not a fetus can feel pain or ponder the works of Descartes and Kant - it's beside the point. terminating a healthy pregnancy results in the death of what would have otherwise become a person, and for that reason you simply cannot compare a woman unnecessarily aborting her pregnancy to a woman having, say, gall bladder removal. any arguments to the contrary are just pointless semantic exercises so don't bother.

narrowly framing the issue as one of feminism and "bodily autonomy" is I think one of the more egregious shenanigans that social liberals love pulling. the whole debate would honestly bug me a lot less if they would just drop the political show and admit "We believe women have the right to kill their own children for any reason or no reason at all until the day of their birth. Problem, Bible thumpers?"

[DeadEyes]

Do you have a source for that?

It was mentioned numerous times on the news and other informative programs.

[Abhorrence]

I am definitely for abortion just because there are some circumstances where it needs to be done but one of those circumstances is not the sex of a child.

[Miserabilia]

okay, so then let's discuss the bodily autonomy of the unborn child. I don't care whether or not a fetus can feel pain or ponder the works of Descartes and Kant - it's beside the point.

In what possible way could it be besides the point?
Autonomy is literaly self controll, giving oneself one's own law, choosing something for oneself. A nonsentient being such as a feutus can do none of those things. Not any more than a potato can.
Your argument basicly has no true value untill you can give some reason to place a feutus with superior rights, which is eventualy what the argument always comes down to.


it's beside the point. terminating a healthy pregnancy results in the death of what would have otherwise become a person, and for that reason you simply cannot compare a woman unnecessarily aborting her pregnancy to a woman having, say, gall bladder removal. any arguments to the contrary are just pointless semantic exercises so don't bother.

How? You're taking a concept, ascribing some property to it, and then conclude that that somehow prooves your point.
First of all, a feutus is in no way guaranteed to become a person in the first place, but for the sake of wat you meant we can assume it's a feutus that is in perfect condition.
Then, secondly. How does it make it any different from an egg cell, or a sperm cell? Thei deaths are all the death of what would have otherwise become a person.



"We believe women have the right to kill their own children for any reason or no reason at all until the day of their birth. Problem, Bible thumpers?"

Where did the "untill the day of their birth" part come from? Because that's honestly not what I support, or anyone else here from what I've read.

[DeadEyes]

But I think by doing that, people would be putting people with disabilities on a lower pedestal, like they're not as deserving of life as non disabled people.

That's completely off the point, you're not looking down on disabled kids, you want to spare them, and yourself, an especially difficult life. You can either think so in a detached way but also in a loving one, and go as far as to say, I love you too much to give you birth.

[Typhlosion]

okay, so then let's discuss the bodily autonomy of the unborn child. I don't care whether or not a fetus can feel pain or ponder the works of Descartes and Kant - it's beside the point. terminating a healthy pregnancy results in the death of what would have otherwise become a person, and for that reason you simply cannot compare a woman unnecessarily aborting her pregnancy to a woman having, say, gall bladder removal. any arguments to the contrary are just pointless semantic exercises so don't bother.

I must ask, are you against IUDs?

[Gigablue]

okay, so then let's discuss the bodily autonomy of the unborn child. I don't care whether or not a fetus can feel pain or ponder the works of Descartes and Kant - it's beside the point. terminating a healthy pregnancy results in the death of what would have otherwise become a person, and for that reason you simply cannot compare a woman unnecessarily aborting her pregnancy to a woman having, say, gall bladder removal. any arguments to the contrary are just pointless semantic exercises so don't bother.

narrowly framing the issue as one of feminism and "bodily autonomy" is I think one of the more egregious shenanigans that social liberals love pulling. the whole debate would honestly bug me a lot less if they would just drop the political show and admit "We believe women have the right to kill their own children for any reason or no reason at all until the day of their birth. Problem, Bible thumpers?"

All people should have the right to complete bodily autonomy. The fetus, simply by existing and by using the mother for nourishment, is violating the bodily autonomy of the mother. While the fetus has no other option, and violates the mother's rights through no fault of its own, a violation is still a violation. By choosing to become and remain pregnant, the mother is allowing the fetus to use her body. However, if, for whatever reason, she decides that she no longer wishes to remain pregnant, she has the right to end the pregnancy. She is simply exercising her right to autonomy. Abortion isn't killing the fetus per se. It is the mother exercising her rights. The fact that the fetus dies is an unfortunate consequence.

By banning abortion, or limiting the reasons for which a woman can have one, you are forcing the woman to use her body to sustain the fetus. I am opposed to treating women like incubators, and thus I support elective abortion for any reason.

[phuckphace]

In what possible way could it be besides the point?
Autonomy is literaly self controll, giving oneself one's own law, choosing something for oneself. A nonsentient being such as a feutus can do none of those things. Not any more than a potato can.

as I expected, my point went flying right over your head. a quick recap might help here:

I don't care whether or not a fetus can feel pain or ponder the works of Descartes and Kant - it's beside the point. terminating a healthy pregnancy results in the death of what would have otherwise become a person...

in bold. I don't believe I ever denied that the fetus is non-sapient or non-sentient. the point is, if you kill a fetus, the end result is no child. I might be confused here but last time I checked, the primary motive for abortions (aside from those performed for emergency medical reasons) is to terminate unwanted pregnancies, which in turn would otherwise result in the birth of a child that required time and money to raise. so yes, abortion is killing children. you can call it indirect if you want (it's pretty direct) but that's what it is.

Your argument basicly has no true value untill you can give some reason to place a feutus with superior rights, which is eventualy what the argument always comes down to.

you should really read my posts before you reply to them.

First of all, a feutus is in no way guaranteed to become a person in the first place, but for the sake of wat you meant we can assume it's a feutus that is in perfect condition.

yes, let's assume that. looks like my point still stands.

Then, secondly. How does it make it any different from an egg cell, or a sperm cell? Thei deaths are all the death of what would have otherwise become a person.

an egg or sperm cannot become life on their own, obviously. until conception occurs and a viable fetus forms they're cells like all others. I've never seen an embryo pop out of a jizz-rag, at least not that I can recall.

Where did the "untill the day of their birth" part come from? Because that's honestly not what I support, or anyone else here from what I've read.

you might as well because the end result is the same.

All people should have the right to complete bodily autonomy....[snip]

ideological purity is awesome on paper but that's where it stays. nobody has or can have complete bodily autonomy unless you can figure out how to get to Mars or the Moon and settle there as a survivalist.

The fetus, simply by existing and by using the mother for nourishment, is violating the bodily autonomy of the mother.

pregnancy is a natural process that evolved to work the way it does for a good reason. it's not always pleasant and can rarely be dangerous, but for the vast majority of pregnancies, it works as intended. your interpretation is very creepy and sounds like it was written by a prune-faced feminist who has never been pregnant because the "parasite" would sap her GIRLPOWER too much.

Abortion isn't killing the fetus per se. It is the mother exercising her rights.

yes, it is. rights which are arbitrary.

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in my opinion, abortion should be legal in cases only where it is unavoidable and only when the fetus could not have survived otherwise. the number of avoidable abortions needs to be kept to the absolute minimum possible. I'm not some insane "pro-life" Bible thumper who thinks sperm + egg = a tiny little would-be Christian. I think my stance on abortion is pretty reasonable actually - I think the issue needs to be approached in a practical way by balancing the moral concerns with the realities of the situation. A pregnant woman who is in the hospital hemorrhaging to death should obviously not be denied an abortion, for example. I however am unable to justify abortions of convenience, it's killing the innocent no matter how much Doublethink it comes wrapped in.

[Miserabilia]

]*misunderstands*

I actualy replied to both parts. As it were, yo can't deny, you were saying something like "the bodily autonomy oh a feutus". there is no such thing. Don't act like I misread your post; I replied to every argument seperately.

I've yet to hear an actual argument against abortion.

[Gigablue]

in bold. I don't believe I ever denied that the fetus is non-sapient or non-sentient. the point is, if you kill a fetus, the end result is no child.

As long as you are not having as much sex as possible, you are also preventing the formation of new life. The end result is the same as abortion: no child.

an egg or sperm cannot become life on their own, obviously. until conception occurs and a viable fetus forms they're cells like all others. I've never seen an embryo pop out of a jizz-rag, at least not that I can recall.

Neither can a fetus. The fetus needs the mother for it to develop. If the mother wants to let the fetus use her body, great. However, if, for any reason, she doesn't want to, she shouldn't have to.

ideological purity is awesome on paper but that's where it stays. nobody has or can have complete bodily autonomy unless you can figure out how to get to Mars or the Moon and settle there as a survivalist.

People should have as much bodily autonomy as possible. Going to Mars right now is not possible, providing abortions to women is.

pregnancy is a natural process that evolved to work the way it does for a good reason. it's not always pleasant and can rarely be dangerous, but for the vast majority of pregnancies, it works as intended. your interpretation is very creepy and sounds like it was written by a prune-faced feminist who has never been pregnant because the "parasite" would sap her GIRLPOWER too much.

The fetus is very much like a parasite biologically. It takes whatever it needs from the mother's body. Sure, pregnancy is natural, but that is irrelevant. Natural is not synonymous with good. If a women does not want to be pregnant, she should not be forced to remain pregnant.

yes, it is. rights which are arbitrary.

Rights are not completely arbitrary. We afford rights based on what we feel is best for society. Giving people the right to bodily autonomy results in greater wellbeing than not.

[CrazyPerson101]

Personally, If I think It's not cool but I'm not against it if that makes any sense. If you're going to go out and have sex, then take every precaution to prevent unwanted pregnancies. Now sometimes, condoms break and birth control fails and then sometimes, an unwanted pregnancy happens as well all know, but if YOU ( or said person ) are taking a risk have having an unwanted pregnancy by having sex, It's not the babies fault its coming into the world, it is the teens who made the choice to have sex. Sometimes, It's rape ( That's how I was conceived ). My mom thought about aborting me, she didn't like the thought of it but she honestly didn't think she could raise me and she's did a good job so far, I'm glad she didn't abort me. I don't think its fair if two people get together, have sex and they wind up having a child that its killed before it really lives.

Now that being said, Life happens, In certain situations, rape, "casual sex" "drunk sex" etc. can and does happen everyday sadly to millions of people ( not just teens ). Now, If you're in your right of mind and you're willingly having sex with a partner and you do wind up conceiving a child, It is 1.NOT fair to the baby for coming into the world and 2. NOT its fault for coming into the world. As I have said before, Anytime you're having sex, you're running the risk of getting pregnant, not to mention STD's and etc. If you're going to be having sex, then keep that in mind. If you where the baby, would you want to be aborted ? To some it sounds crazy but to me personally, because I was almost aborted, I take abortion strongly. I do weigh its pros and cons, and I do think its not okay but that's just me.

Now if a baby is conceived ( like I was ), It really sucks. Abortion is an easier option, it costs alot of money but you won't have to deal with the pain of carrying the baby for 9 months, then giving birth and the raising it for the next 18 years BUT you do miss out on memories you could make with said child, children are expensive. As you know, you have to provide : Food, Water, Clothes, and Other Necessities. Toys and things are nice to have. But Even if you ( or whoever ) did decide to get an abortion, the memory of it will always be there. Someone who's been sexually assaulted shouldn't have to be burdened with taking care of a child that wasn't planned BUT on the same token, killing it isn't fair either. It's honestly your choice in which if you want to abort said baby or not.

Another reason why I don't think abortion is cool is : You can get hurt during the removal process, not all abortion clinics are exactly "sterile", you can still get nasty infections and stuff like that, but you can still get infections and whatnot during pregnancy and all that too so .. meh.

Basically, Abortion isn't the only answer, if you did carry the baby ( assuming there was one ) there is always adoption, you can choose if you want it to be a closed adoption or not or you can raise the baby yourself, it maybe hard but it'll be worth it so im told, my mom tells me that when I bring this subject up. But yeah, that's just my personal opinion on this, it probably means nothing but that's my "argument".




Oh and reading up on some comments, Even technically the fetus isn't an person yet, it still is going to become one. Yes women shouldn't be used as incubators because thats not fair but if they willingly went out and did it and then sit there and wonder why they're pregnant , I'm sorry but that's just not cool. Now, that's my personal opinion, there could be MANY MULTIPLE reasons why they want to abort it but still, it just isn't cool.

Even for one's who didn't willingly go out and do it, It's still not fair in one sense but hey, who am I to stop you, If you're going to do it, go ahead, it's not affecting my life in anyway, It's sad to think about but I'm not the boss of whoever has this done and I hope whoever does have abortions thinks about what's happened and try to move on and in the future be more cautious of what they're doing.

[TheLoneWolf]

It's not my preference to select a baby by gender. But on the other hand, adopted children are selected on gender too.
When buying pets most of the time we select them on gender too. And of course I'm not trying to say buying a pet is the same as getting pregnant and then deciding whether you want it or not because it its gender.
But just realise we decide on gender more than we think.

In my opinion the baby does not get hurt when it gets aborted. It does not hurt the baby. But in my opinion selecting a baby on sex is rather odd...

[DeadEyes]

But on the other hand, adopted children are selected on gender too.

Excellent point. If you can choose the gender of the child you will adopt, why could you not choose the same for the baby you will give birth to: because it's already a foetus?
At this point, at the beginning the foetus itself is just a part of your own body and is not developed enough to be a being on it's own.

[Vlerchan]

... because it's already a foetus?
It's different because fiddling with the demography of a nation which naturally tends towards a roughly even split can have awful long-term complications.

Any attempt to normalise gender-specific abortions should be torn-down with prejudice.