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ThatBritishGuy
September 19th, 2014, 03:42 PM
Hey guys, as many of you know Scotland held a referendum yesterday on whether to become an independent country. Today the results were announced with 55% percent of voters voting to stay in the UK, against 45% who voted for independence.
While this is a huge deal in the UK, as it could change the political landscape of the country forever, it is probably less reported and understood outside, so I thought I'd post a link to a couple of articles about it.
(Just thought I'd point out that as an English guy, I could not vote on the issue and as such was impartial during the vote, however I am glad that they decided to stay with us.)

BBC article:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29270441

Scotland has voted to stay in the United Kingdom after voters decisively rejected independence.

With the results in from all 32 council areas, the "No" side won with 2,001,926 votes over 1,617,989 for "Yes".

Scotland's First Minister Alex Salmond called for unity and urged the unionist parties to deliver on more powers.

Prime Minister David Cameron said he was delighted the UK would remain together and that commitments on extra powers would be honoured "in full".

Mr Cameron said the three main unionist parties at Westminster would now follow through with their pledge of more powers for the Scottish Parliament.

He announced that Lord Smith of Kelvin, who led Glasgow's staging of the Commonwealth Games, would oversee the process to take forward the commitments, with new powers over tax, spending and welfare to be agreed by November, and draft legislation published by January.


http://images.forbes.com/media/lists/11/2007/88G5.jpg
(Random picture of the queen to go with the article)

Vlerchan
September 19th, 2014, 03:49 PM
You know what's hilarious now?

It's given Cameron an opportunity to start talking about taking steps towards a sort of quasi-federation, with English MPs only being able to vote in issues that concerned just England (i.e., economics). Which would hurt Labour massively. I also am disappointed by the results, even if I'd expected such to happen.

JamesSuperBoy
September 19th, 2014, 03:51 PM
well that seems to be sorted

ThatBritishGuy
September 19th, 2014, 03:55 PM
You know what's hilarious now?

It's given Cameron an opportunity to start talking about taking steps towards a sort of quasi-federation, with English MPs only being able to vote in issues that concerned just England (i.e., economics). Which would hurt Labour massively. I also am disappointed by the results, even if I'd expected such to happen.

I see what you mean.

scott757
September 21st, 2014, 06:28 PM
I'm pleased with the outcome, but I hope to heck that we do get the extra powers promised. It's been a massive thing here, I live near Glasgow and my area was more or less 50/50 yes/no.

It's created a massive divide in this country and now that needs to be taken care of, the way a minority of people have acted on all sides is quite frankly shocking, your opinion on it should not matter, and unfortunately some people have chosen political view over friends.

Time will tell, but I hope that it was the right decision for us, I'm sure it will, economically it was the best choice (in my view), so I'm sure we're safer as we are, but I just do hope the powers come through...

CosmicNoodle
September 21st, 2014, 07:12 PM
I notice how so far the only people to comment are in the UL or Ireland, the rest of the world doesn't give a single fuck. To be honest I don't blame it because nether do I.

Karkat
September 21st, 2014, 07:43 PM
Being American on one hand, and disliking involvement in most of politics on the other, I'm fairly apathetic to this issue at best.

I do have a friend who was extremely for independence, and is now ranting constantly on Facebook about it. (Which was expected.)

Typhlosion
September 21st, 2014, 08:06 PM
I notice how so far the only people to comment are in the UL or Ireland, the rest of the world doesn't give a single fuck. To be honest I don't blame it because nether do I.Pardon my ignorance, but prior to the whole independence thing I thought Wales and Scotland were in each other's locations :P

In Brazil, I haven't seen any news coverage on the subject. don't think the rest doesn't give a fuck, they just don't even know about the whole situation. I haven't a clue why scotland wanted to separate from the UK.

CosmicNoodle
September 22nd, 2014, 11:12 AM
Pardon my ignorance, but prior to the whole independence thing I thought Wales and Scotland were in each other's locations :P

In Brazil, I haven't seen any news coverage on the subject. don't think the rest doesn't give a fuck, they just don't even know about the whole situation. I haven't a clue why scotland wanted to separate from the UK.

A quote from a VT'er who was scotish "I want scotish independance for the sake of scotish independance", as far as I can tell most of them dont want it for a logical reason, they just want it because they want it, I hate ultiumately circular reasoning, theres no logic behind it.

Vlerchan
September 22nd, 2014, 01:49 PM
I haven't a clue why scotland wanted to separate from the UK.
Multiple reasons.

The main one is that Scotland have historically been more left-wing that the rest of the UK. In the past 30 years politics in the UK has been shifting increasingly right-ward and Scotland no longer feel represented in Westminster.

Stronk Serb
September 22nd, 2014, 02:23 PM
Well, Westminster hasn't fucked up enough so that the Scotts really want independence. I hope this referendum opens the rosd to federalisation and confederalisation of the UK.