Satanist group demands right to pass out literature to school kids

[Gamma Male]

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/09/17/3568650/satanists-protest-bibles-in-school-with-satanic-childrens-big-book-of-activities/

Orange County, Florida’s public school district has twice allowed a Christian group to pass out Bibles to its students, prompting a self-identified Satanist group to seek equal treatment. A religious organization called The Satanic Temple announced on Sunday that they will provide “Satanic materials to students during the new school year. Among the materials to be distributed are pamphlets related to the Temple’s tenets, philosophy and practice of Satanism, as well as information about the legal right to practice Satanism in school.”
The Satanists reportedly intend to distribute a book called The Satanic Children’s BIG BOOK of Activities, which includes several games with Satanic themes geared towards children:

http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Satanist-game.jpg

Satanic Temple spokesperson Lucien Greaves claims that “if a public school board is going to allow religious pamphlets and full Bibles to be distributed to students — as is the case in Orange County, Florida — we think the responsible thing to do is to ensure that these students are given access to a variety of differing religious opinions.” He has a point. Although school districts are under no obligation to allow outside groups to distribute literature to their students, once they permit a single group to do so, the Constitution places strict limits on their ability to exclude other groups whose viewpoints they disagree with.
In Lamb’s Chapel v. Center Moriches Union Free School District, the Supreme Court considered an evangelical church which wanted to screen several Christian-themed films on school property, but was denied the opportunity to do so because the school had a policy that its premises “shall not be used by any group for religious purposes.” This policy, according to the justices, was not allowed when the school already allowed groups with non-religious purposes to use the school’s facilities to show films or for similar purposes — “the First Amendment forbids the government to regulate speech in ways that favor some viewpoints or ideas at the expense of others.”
Under the Constitution, what’s good for an evangelical church is also good for the Satanic Temple. The Florida school district may deny all outsiders the right to distribute literature to students, but once it allows one group in, it cannot discriminate because it happens to disagree with the views expressed by Satanists.

This. Is. Awesome.

Keep up the good fight Satanists! :lol:

[Typhlosion]

Let's hope that Annabel helps dispel religion from schools for good :lol:

Or allows the satanists in :lol3:

Edit: Found all six!
Spoiler: The clock, the mug, the frog, the dress, the blackboard and the cup :P

[CharlieHorse]

what ever happened to not allowing religion to be a subject matter to be taught in public schools?

[Horatio Nelson]

what ever happened to not allowing religion to be a subject matter to be taught in public schools?

I agree, I don't know why they allowed the Christians to distribute in the first place.

[Lovelife090994]

I agree, I don't know why they allowed the Christians to distribute in the first place.

Christian morals are upstanding. Satanic morals are all narcissistic.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/09/17/3568650/satanists-protest-bibles-in-school-with-satanic-childrens-big-book-of-activities/



This. Is. Awesome.

Keep up the good fight Satanists! :lol:

How is that awesome? I agree, I don't know why they allowed the Christians to distribute in the first place.

Christian morals are upstanding. Satanic morals are all narcissistic. You hate Christians but love Satanists? Of course you do. Let's hear it for acceptance to anyone not Christian!

[Gamma Male]

Christian morals are upstanding. Satanic morals are all narcissistic.



How is that awesome?

Christian morals are upstanding. Satanic morals are all narcissistic. You hate Christians but love Satanists? Of course you do. Let's hear it for acceptance to anyone not Christian!

I seriously doubt you know the first thing about "satanic morals". Besides, the school doesn't get to pick what religious groups they allow to distribute based on how "moral" they think they are.


And it's awesome because they're sticking up for their constitutional right to equal representation under the government. If they allow Christians to distribute literature, they have to allow satanists to distribute literature.

[Horatio Nelson]

Christian morals are upstanding. Satanic morals are all narcissistic. You hate Christians but love Satanists? Of course you do. Let's hear it for acceptance to anyone not Christian!

I never said I hated Christians, but a public school should not allow any religion to distribute material at a public school.

[thatcountrykid]

This is bullshit. Just leave religion and moral the fuck out of school. Leave it for philosophy or religion classes taken by choice. Ethics/morales, political views, and religion need out of school.

[Lovelife090994]

I seriously doubt you know the first thing about "satanic morals". Besides, the school doesn't get to pick what religious groups they allow to distribute based on how "moral" they think they are.


And it's awesome because they're sticking up for their constitutional right to equal representation under the government. If they allow Christians to distribute literature, they have to allow satanists to distribute literature.

You don't know what I know. Besides no one said anything about the Muslim and Buddhist literature brought in classes.

I never said I hated Christians, but a public school should not allow any religion to distribute material at a public school.

No one says anything if it's Muslim, Pagan, or Buddhist.

[Gamma Male]

You don't know what I know. Besides no one said anything about the Muslim and Buddhist literature brought in classes.



No one says anything if it's Muslim, Pagan, or Buddhist.

Personally I don't think any religious literature should be distributed at all. But if they are going to allow one religion to distribute, they have to allow them all.

[Lovelife090994]

Personally I don't think any religious literature should be distributed at all. But if they are going to allow one religion to distribute, they have to allow them all.

The Bible is more than just one thing. It's a complex history and has many literary examples. You can't be against all things religious since religion plays major roles in history.

[TheN3rdyOutcast]

Honestly, If I get ONE MORE PAMPHLET from churches or door to door Jehovah's Witnesses, I'm going to give them to my dogs, so they can spread the "word of God" all over the backyard. But, something like this, I'd be interested in reading.

Also:
1. Pattern on the teacher's dress
2. Equation on the board
3.Time on the clock
4.Message on the teacher's mug
5. Pattern on the frog's underbelly
6. Number of sweat droplets coming from the girl getting attacked by the frog.

[Broken Toy]

I think its fair to teach religious STUDIES in school but like BIBLE studies and the like should be optional. I like religious studies as they teach different religions. I hated primary school as it is singing bible songs and reading passages. It pushes you towards Christianity whereas religious studies is all about questions and differences in religion.

IM not attacking Christianity but being in a country that id strongly christian that's my experience. There should be no religious readings in school, christian, muslim, Buddhist, sikh or satanist

[ImCoolBeans]

The Bible is more than just one thing. It's a complex history and has many literary examples. You can't be against all things religious since religion plays major roles in history.

I don't think you understand. Nobody cares what the Bible consists of in this conversation, nor the Torah, or any other religious text. It's a matter of constitutionality. If you're going to allow one religious group to have any kind of part in public schooling, then you have to allow them all to have the same opportunity. If you're going to deny certain groups the right, then you have to deny all of the right. Satanism has a long history as well, does that mean that it should be taught in schools (it isn't)? No, just like Christrian teachings shouldn't be taught in public schools.

There are catholic, jewish, and a whole slew of other kinds of schools for a reason. If you want to learn it or want your kids to learn it, go there. But keep religion out of public schools. It's government run, and should not be favoring religious groups.

[Typhlosion]

Looking back at this post, it doesn't seem as awesome as it sounded to me at first. If you're really going to try to maintain laicism, you'll have to do it in a way the christians will empathize with. No majority is going to agree on satanism entering schools, rather, see you and your arguments as devilish.

However, if a collected group consecutively attacked such school by forcing Judaism, Hindu, Neodruidism, and, most importantly, Islam, we could start overload the schools with so many honest religions that the only viable answer is laicism. Any christian will laugh at FSM, but if a muslim wants his/her rights, then it gets serious. If the US is so hellbent on terrorism as some portray it to be, then you should protect the country from Islam with laicism.

[Lovelife090994]

I don't think you understand. Nobody cares what the Bible consists of in this conversation, nor the Torah, or any other religious text. It's a matter of constitutionality. If you're going to allow one religious group to have any kind of part in public schooling, then you have to allow them all to have the same opportunity. If you're going to deny certain groups the right, then you have to deny all of the right. Satanism has a long history as well, does that mean that it should be taught in schools (it isn't)? No, just like Christrian teachings shouldn't be taught in public schools.

There are catholic, jewish, and a whole slew of other kinds of schools for a reason. If you want to learn it or want your kids to learn it, go there. But keep religion out of public schools. It's government run, and should not be favoring religious groups.

Teaching history is not favoritism.

[Stronk Serb]

Teaching history is not favoritism.

The Bible has so many loops and gaps that can't be sourced except by the Bible. The Bible's contents are half fairy-tale material and half rough-history
Also I believe there is a subject called history in school already. You are hellbent on having your freedom of speech, expression and representation but when somebody else wants the same rights, like the Satanists, you go apeshit saying no.

[Lovelife090994]

The Bible has so many loops and gaps that can't be sourced except by the Bible. The Bible's contents are half fairy-tale material and half rough-history
Also I believe there is a subject called history in school already. You are hellbent on having your freedom of speech, expression and representation but when somebody else wants the same rights, like the Satanists, you go apeshit saying no.

They may be fairy-tale to you but the Bible actually has other sources from historian to Torah, so look it up. I'm talking about adding religious history too. The Bible tells of history from Judea, to Egypt, to Persia, to Rome, and to Greece! Satanic beliefs are nothing more than beliefs based on narcissism and hedonism, hardly values or anything relating to history. Would you rather learn dark rituals all day?

[Stronk Serb]

They may be fairy-tale to you but the Bible actually has other sources from historian to Torah, so look it up. I'm talking about adding religious history too. The Bible tells of history from Judea, to Egypt, to Persia, to Rome, and to Greece! Satanic beliefs are nothing more than beliefs based on narcissism and hedonism, hardly values or anything relating to history. Would you rather learn dark rituals all day?

Yeah because I'm a hedonist and am interested in the occult. If there is a religious studies class, they should teach about histores of all religions in the USA. Problem solved.

[Lovelife090994]

Yeah because I'm a hedonist and am interested in the occult. If there is a religious studies class, they should teach about histores of all religions in the USA. Problem solved.

So you want to force every Christian college to teach the ideals of Paganism? Lovely, not. And did I say you were Satanic? No. Satanic and Pagan are two different things. There are hundreds of religions that fall under Pagan.

[Stronk Serb]

So you want to force every Christian college to teach the ideals of Paganism? Lovely, not. And did I say you were Satanic? No. Satanic and Pagan are two different things. There are hundreds of religions that fall under Pagan.


I meant in public schools and colleges. Not private ones. Slavic Paganism is okay. No sacrifices and all the rituals are done in nature. I don't care if you call me Satanic or Pagan. Both seem appealing to me in their own way. Also there are hundreds of Satanic religions.

[Lovelife090994]

I meant in public schools and colleges. Not private ones. Slavic Paganism is okay. No sacrifices and all the rituals are done in nature. I don't care if you call me Satanic or Pagan. Both seem appealing to me in their own way.

Yes, yes we all know you are Pagan, I think at least. Would you have a problem with Pagan beliefs being taught in public or no? I have yet to get an answer on this?

[Stronk Serb]

Yes, yes we all know you are Pagan, I think at least. Would you have a problem with Pagan beliefs being taught in public or no? I have yet to get an answer on this?

No, as long as other religions get their representation if they want to. Orthodox Christians have their religion class so why wouldn't there be a Slavic Paganism class?

[Lovelife090994]

No, as long as other religions get their representation if they want to. Orthodox Christians have their religion class so why wouldn't there be a Slavic Paganism class?

That's not what I said. I said teaching Christian history. You have no issue teaching your beliefs but not another? That's not fair. Christian history gets ignored, it needs it's light.

[Daniella98]

Of course its good idea to teach in school what satanism really is instead of hearing about the wrong ideas about satanism from the point of view of another religion

[Vlerchan]

The Bible tells of history from Judea, to Egypt, to Persia, to Rome, and to Greece!
I can't think of a single respectable historian that would consider the bible a reputable source as far as accurate representations of history go.

I'm fine with you teaching "Christian History" that we have solid levels of evidence to back it (i.e., the reformation, the crusades, etc.). I'm not fine with you teaching "Christian "History"" that is little more than a bunch of unsubstantiated claims dating back to we don't even know and written in we don't know this bit either by no idea of that too (i.e., most of the Old Testement, large parts of the New Testement).

[Stronk Serb]

That's not what I said. I said teaching Christian history. You have no issue teaching your beliefs but not another? That's not fair. Christian history gets ignored, it needs it's light.

Re-read my statements and stop putting words in my mouth. I said if a religious organisation wants to teach it's history and beliefs at school, they should but all other religions should be allowed too if the school gives the ok to one. So if Slavic Paganism get's taught, Christianity should too if the local church wants to. And Christianity doesn't really need light, it's the religion of what? Two, three billions? I think the Christianized people should also be taught about their religion and history before being (in most cases) forced into Christianity. I didn't get taught jack about Serbs in their Pagan era, and there's a lot. Only Christian era. In Serbia, it's other religions lacking representation, not Christianity.

[Babs]

I personally don't think anyone should be passing out religious pamphlets to any school kids. But if they do allow Christians to do it, then they should allow them all.
Also, the Bible is not history. Christianity has intertwined with history, and takes place in real places but that doesn't necessarily mean those events are proven facts and should be taught as history, if that's what Lovelife is saying. I'm not entirely sure what you mean. Also, whether or not you think that Christian morals are better than Satanist morals (which they often times are not) is irrelevant. No, me saying that isn't me being a Christian hater.