Top military official opens door to ground troops in ISIS fight, despite Obama pledge

[Exocet]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014/09/16/joint-chiefs-chairman-opens-door-to-us-boots-on-ground-in-isis-fight/



I also wanted to post this :

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[Vlerchan]

Reading I got more of the feeling that the title should have been: "Top Military Official Has An Opinion".

"ISIS is an army," Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., top Republican on the committee, said Tuesday. "It will take an army to beat an army."
I also have no idea why some people believe it needs to be the American army.

[Left Now]

Reading I got more of the feeling that the title should have been: "Top Military Official Has An Opinion".

"ISIS is an army," Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., top Republican on the committee, said Tuesday. "It will take an army to beat an army."
I also have no idea why some people believe it needs to be the American army.

Yeah and why not an Iraqi army?Or a Middle East Coalition army?Why should it always be an American or Western country to step in and deal with them while a regional army itself is capable of this task ?

[thatcountrykid]

Reading I got more of the feeling that the title should have been: "Top Military Official Has An Opinion".

"ISIS is an army," Sen. James Inhofe, R-Okla., top Republican on the committee, said Tuesday. "It will take an army to beat an army."
I also have no idea why some people believe it needs to be the American army.

Yeah and why not an Iraqi army?Or a Middle East Coalition army?Why should it always be an American or Western country to step in and deal with them while a regional army itself is capable of this task ?

Because most middle eastern nations have already told Obama they will not fight Isis. No other countries except west drones will fight Isis.

And actually Isis is doing pretty good at defeating Iraqi forces.

[Harry Smith]

does this mean Obama is no longer a socialist?

[Vlerchan]

Because most middle eastern nations have already told Obama they will not fight Isis.
Please provide verifiable evidence supporting this claim. Thank you.

And actually Isis is doing pretty good at defeating Iraqi forces.
The American air attacks have increased and put ISIL (Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant) on the defensive. There have been about 150 American air attacks since they began on August 8th and now occur everywhere ISIL has forces in Iraq. Thus in the last month ISIL has lost control of a major dam, a refinery and major oil fields around Kirkuk. ISIL is also losing control of the oil smuggling operation it had established in Syria and western Iraq. The attack against the Haditha dam includes local Sunni tribal militiamen who have refused to join ISIL. Many Sunni tribes backed away from supporting ISIL or agreed to work with the government. Haditha is the second largest dam in the country in terms of hydroelectric power and water supply.

http://www.aina.org/news/20140908140359.htm

[Left Now]

Because most middle eastern nations have already told Obama they will not fight Isis. No other countries except west drones will fight Isis.

And actually Isis is doing pretty good at defeating Iraqi forces.

Actually,they haven't said that they wouldn't fight ISIS,they just have declared that they are not ready to cooperate with US and Western-Arabic Coalition in this situation.

[Lovelife090994]

Actually,they haven't said that they wouldn't fight ISIS,they just have declared that they are not ready to cooperate with US and Western-Arabic Coalition in this situation.

They flat out said it! The Middle East wants the Western World to eradicate it's extremist problem.

[Left Now]

They flat out said it! The Middle East wants the Western World to eradicate it's extremist problem.

Actually,I could use it as a very good joke to entertain some of my friends here.Do you really consider some Arab puppet states and NATO member Turkey and some of Israel's allies like Azerbaijan as whole Middle East?

How can a thing which has caused and is still actively supporting extremism,destroy it in Middle East?This is a huge example of Double Standards.

The only ones who can really deal with extremism and terrorism in Middle East are Middle Easterners,not some Western countries which just care about their own political interests.

If Europe and US really care about eradication of extremism in Middle East,then they would better keep their armies out of it and just let Middle Eastern countries deal with their own problems themselves,and if they really want to help,then they can fund and support those Middle Eastern countries who are fighting extremist groups politically.

[Lovelife090994]

Actually,I could use it as a very good joke to entertain some of my friends here.Do you really consider some Arab puppet states and NATO member Turkey and some of Israel's allies like Azerbaijan as whole Middle East?

How can a thing which has caused and is still actively supporting extremism,destroy it in Middle East?This is a huge example of Double Standards.

The only ones who can really deal with extremism and terrorism in Middle East are Middle Easterners,not some Western countries which just care about their own political interests.

If Europe and US really care about eradication of extremism in Middle East,then they would better keep their armies out of it and just let Middle Eastern countries deal with their own problems themselves,and if they really want to help,then they can fund and support those Middle Eastern countries who are fighting extremist groups politically.

Well, we tried that but people are dying and people like you are sipping your tea while groups like ISIL behead hundreds. Clearly the Majority has proven ineffective. You say you want the West out? Well, we had to act when word of a potential genocide sprang up. Those persecuted and chased out of Iraq, no one in the East seemed to lift a finger. While terror groups gain power and execute no one is acting enough to stop it. Your people have proven not to act or care so now it's our turn to care. Political? Honey, these terror groups won't stop until anyone not defined by "their Islam" is dead including you. Extremists that kill hundreds know no bounds. But enjoy your tea and carefree attitude while the citizens of the east suffer. You could at least raise a glass to those wanting to end terror. Aren't you tired of hearing about terrorists? Do you even care? You want the West out while the East does nothing and it's kings sit happy.

[Left Now]

Well, we tried that but people are dying and people like you are sipping your tea while groups like ISIL behead hundreds. Clearly the Majority has proven ineffective. You say you want the West out? Well, we had to act when word of a potential genocide sprang up. Those persecuted and chased out of Iraq, no one in the East seemed to lift a finger. While terror groups gain power and execute no one is acting enough to stop it. Your people have proven not to act or care so now it's our turn to care. Political? Honey, these terror groups won't stop until anyone not defined by "their Islam" is dead including you. Extremists that kill hundreds know no bounds. But enjoy your tea and carefree attitude while the citizens of the east suffer. You could at least raise a glass to those wanting to end terror. Aren't you tired of hearing about terrorists? Do you even care? You want the West out while the East does nothing and it's kings sit happy.

Slow down my friend.They are hundreds of people in here who are voluntarily ready to go into Iraq and fight ISIS.Our government was the first which began to aid and help Iraq and Kurdistan both militarily and financially when first signs of ISIS began to show out,while US allies like Saudi Arabia and Qatar were still supporting it before it went out of control.

I'm completely sure that Iran,Iraq and Kurdistan are completely capable of dealing with ISIS if US doesn't try to stop each one of them from cooperation (specially Iran).

And you'd better know that more than 60 battalions of Quds Force of IRGC and Commander of Quds Force himself are in Iraq right now,giving Iraqi and Kurdish armies military advices and equip them and if necessary fighting on their side in ground conflicts since the beginning of this crisis.

So you simply cannot say that all Middle Eastern countries are idle while ISIS is committing inhumanly crimes against Muslims and non Muslims of Iraq,because unlike some puppet Arab Kingdoms of Persian Gulf coast,other countries of Middle East like Iran are eager to get involved in open conflict with ISIS,but do not agree with any Western military intervention in the area.

[Lovelife090994]

Slow down my friend.They are hundreds of people in here who are voluntarily ready to go into Iraq and fight ISIS.Our government was the first which began to aid and help Iraq and Kurdistan both militarily and financially when first signs of ISIS began to show out,while US allies like Saudi Arabia and Qatar were still supporting it before it went out of control.

I'm completely sure that Iran,Iraq and Kurdistan are completely capable of dealing with ISIS if US doesn't try to stop each one of them from cooperation (specially Iran).

And you'd better know that more than 60 battalions of Quds Force of IRGC and Commander of Quds Force himself are in Iraq right now,giving Iraqi and Kurdish armies military advices and equip them and if necessary fighting on their side in ground conflicts since the beginning of this crisis.

So you simply cannot say that all Middle Eastern countries are idle while ISIS is committing inhumanly crimes against Muslims and non Muslims of Iraq,because unlike some puppet Arab Kingdoms of Persian Gulf coast,other countries of Middle East like Iran are eager to get involved in open conflict with ISIS,but do not agree with any Western military intervention in the area.

The East clearly needs help. Why push away the west? Non-Muslims are killed everyday but it fails to make the news. You are blaming the existence of terrorists on the West? How? We don't want them either. Newsflash, we have had terror attacks worldwide and in America.

[Left Now]

The East clearly needs help. Why push away the west? Non-Muslims are killed everyday but it fails to make the news. You are blaming the existence of terrorists on the West? How? We don't want them either. Newsflash, we have had terror attacks worldwide and in America.

Actually,more than non Muslims,Muslims themselves are getting killed in Iraq since the majority of the population of Iraq are Shias,Kurds and Sunnis who have fundamental differences with ISIS and Shias specially will die horribly in their hands.Non Muslims just make up about 39% of whole victims of this crisis in Iraq and lesser than 45% of whole victims of terrorism around the world.

Don't you know why I blame it on foreign interventions of West (not west itself) ? Because until now,every foreign intervention by US and West in this hecking region has destabilized it and then terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda and ISIS have shown up and so on...

[Lovelife090994]

Actually,more than non Muslims,Muslims themselves are getting killed in Iraq since the majority of the population of Iraq are Shias,Kurds and Sunnis who have fundamental differences with ISIS and Shias specially will die horribly in their hands.Non Muslims just make up about 39% of whole victims of this crisis in Iraq and lesser than 45% of whole victims of terrorism around the world.

Don't you know why I blame it on foreign interventions of West (not west itself) ? Because until now,every foreign intervention by US and West in this hecking region has destabilized it and then terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda and ISIS have shown up and so on...

Terrorists were already there before Western Intervention. We stepped in when death tolls were getting too great. And even if more Muslims than non are killed, it still isn't stopped and no one's talking about it. I bet you want peace but why would we want enemies too? America's had enough problems but now that the US an others seek to eradicate a world menace you blame the rest of the world on problems based on radical interpretation on a religion that came from your region? Sorry, so silly of me but it sounds like you are insisting Europe, America, and Australia (Western World Ideologies) made ISIS and the terror groups? Al-Qaeda was around for a long time, 90s and before and America was not always involved. You can't honestly believe America or other countries wanted this evil to be born or that we started this. The Middle East has been in turmoil since the days of the Bible and possibly before, but lately it's gotten worse.

[Harry Smith]

Terrorists were already there before Western Intervention. .

That's a lie

[Lovelife090994]

That's a lie

No, that's ignorance. Need I remind you that you are part of "The West." What makes you think the Western World bred terrorists? Terrorists are hateful and the only difference is that recently within the past thirty years terrorism has a face and is global. We didn't ask for this to happen. Forget the liberal/conservative biases for a moment. Do you really think terrorism would not exist if the West sat back and let thousands more die than what already have? And by who no less? Oh right, the terrorists you are blind to.

[Harry Smith]

What makes you think the Western World bred terrorists? .

The fact that the CIA trained cubans to blow up passenger planes

[Lovelife090994]

The fact that the CIA trained cubans to blow up passenger planes

What!? Where are you getting this news? liberalsagainstamerica.uk/extreme? Honestly I have no clue what goes on to get these outlandish ideas. The CIA is protecting America. Recently they stopped a bomb threat by interception. Besides, all developed countries have some sort of spy/top secret organization. Can you please talk with an answer to my post rather than blast anti-West, anti-American dogma each time? Thanks. I'll be waiting patiently.

[Harry Smith]

What!? Where are you getting this news? liberalsagainstamerica.uk/extreme?

The internet

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luis_Posada_Carriles

I'm going off topic-if you want to discuss this further send me a PM

[Left Now]

Terrorists were already there before Western Intervention.

We stepped in when death tolls were getting too great. And even if more Muslims than non are killed, it still isn't stopped and no one's talking about it. I bet you want peace but why would we want enemies too? America's had enough problems but now that the US an others seek to eradicate a world menace you blame the rest of the world on problems based on radical interpretation on a religion that came from your region? Sorry, so silly of me but it sounds like you are insisting Europe, America, and Australia (Western World Ideologies) made ISIS and the terror groups? Al-Qaeda was around for a long time, 90s and before and America was not always involved. You can't honestly believe America or other countries wanted this evil to be born or that we started this. The Middle East has been in turmoil since the days of the Bible and possibly before, but lately it's gotten worse.



Before direct military intervention of West and United States not before their intervention in general.Let me remind you that US intelligence agencies were actively supporting Jihadists (through Pakistan) and their main supporter Saudi Arabia when Soviets were still present in Afghanistan.

After Soviets left Afghanistan,North Alliance (a really more moderate Islamic group than Taliban and Al-Qaeda) began to gain power but suddenly Taliban began to show up and this was where first sparks of terrorism in the region appeared.And what happened after it?I will tell you now :

Taliban was actively supported by Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.Saudis were funding Taliban with their oil money and equipping them with weapons which they were buying from United States and bringing fighters from other countries into Afghanistan and Pakistanis were supporting them by providing more equipments and fundings.

Meanwhile United States didn't publicly take sides in this conflict,and rarely even helping North Alliance,they indirectly supported extremists by seriously supporting Saudi Arabia (against its new regional rival and their common enemy Iran) and not doing anything with Pakistan in that time.

And what happened after that?Taliban came into power in Afghanistan,Ahmad Shah Massoud one of main leaders of North Alliance got assassinated in ninth of September of 2001,two days after his assassination 9/11 happened and all those events which happened after it.

This is why I say Western and specially American intervention in region at first caused extremism and terrorism appear in Middle East from Afghanistan.Also,after Iraq and Afghanistan war,region got more destabilized and terrorists got more power and support from Saudi Arabia,while Saudi Arabia itself was totally supported by United States and West against Iran.


I say West has caused enough problems for Middle East by its pointless interventions and blind supports for Saudi Arabia and other Persian Gulf coastal states.It's time that they learn they have to leave Middle East to Middle Easterners,the thing which they didn't do in Afghanistan case and caused all these problems.

[Lovelife090994]

Before direct military intervention of West and United States not before their intervention in general.Let me remind you that US intelligence agencies were actively supporting Jihadists (through Pakistan) and their main supporter Saudi Arabia when Soviets were still present in Afghanistan.

After Soviets left Afghanistan,North Alliance (a really more moderate Islamic group than Taliban and Al-Qaeda) began to gain power but suddenly Taliban began to show up and this was where first sparks of terrorism in the region appeared.And what happened after it?I will tell you now :

Taliban was actively supported by Pakistan and Saudi Arabia.Saudis were funding Taliban with their oil money and equipping them with weapons which they were buying from United States and bringing fighters from other countries into Afghanistan and Pakistanis were supporting them by providing more equipments and fundings.

Meanwhile United States didn't publicly take sides in this conflict,and rarely even helping North Alliance,they indirectly supported extremists by seriously supporting Saudi Arabia (against its new regional rival and their common enemy Iran) and not doing anything with Pakistan in that time.

And what happened after that?Taliban came into power in Afghanistan,Ahmad Shah Massoud one of main leaders of North Alliance got assassinated in ninth of September of 2001,two days after his assassination 9/11 happened and all those events which happened after it.

This is why I say Western and specially American intervention in region at first caused extremism and terrorism appear in Middle East from Afghanistan.Also,after Iraq and Afghanistan war,region got more destabilized and terrorists got more power and support from Saudi Arabia,while Saudi Arabia itself was totally supported by United States and West against Iran.


I say West has caused enough problems for Middle East by its pointless interventions and blind supports for Saudi Arabia and other Persian Gulf coastal states.It's time that they learn they have to leave Middle East to Middle Easterners,the thing which they didn't do in Afghanistan case and caused all these problems.

You're blaming America for something that happened in the East for oil? What on Earth are you thinking? America is a victim and target of terrorists. We don't want them nor did we create them. Need I remind you that terrorists live by strict codes of Islam, Islam was never in America in the beginning. Islam came from the Middle East. These terrorists came when America really cemented itself as a super power. Terrorists and you see the West including America as soulless and heartless with greed and worthy of murder. The West is not to blame for your mess.

[Left Now]

You're blaming America for something that happened in the East for oil? What on Earth are you thinking? America is a victim and target of terrorists. We don't want them nor did we create them. Need I remind you that terrorists live by strict codes of Islam, Islam was never in America in the beginning. Islam came from the Middle East. These terrorists came when America really cemented itself as a super power. Terrorists and you see the West including America as soulless and heartless with greed and worthy of murder. The West is not to blame for your mess.

This is not our mess my friend;this is exactly US and Saudi's mess.

After Soviets left Afghanistan,a Civil War happened in there which its main belligerents were :

Islamic State of Afghanistan or North Alliance:Led by Burhanaddin Rabbani and Ahmad Shah Massoud

against

Islamic Party (until 1994) and Taliban (since 1994 until 2001)

Both Taliban and Islamic Party were supported,equipped and funded by Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and at the same time US didn't do any hecking thing to prevent Saudis and Pakistanis from supporting and funding them;instead by supporting Saudi Arabia against Iran in that time,by funding them and selling them war equipments,they were indirectly supporting Taliban,the very thing which later they attacked Afghanistan claiming to destroy it.

Taliban was going to be defeated by North Alliance if only Saudis couldn't support them through Pakistan and US was responsible for this.US was responsible for an armed,well backed Taliban government in Afghanistan which turned into a spark for fire of other terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda and its branches.

Better not forget that US once again made the same mistake in Syria too.They should have stopped supporting FSA when first they allied themselves to Al-Qaeda related groups and Al-Nusra Front,but they didn't and you saw what happened.After awhile,nearly most of the lethal and non lethal aids which West provided them for Syrian rebels fell into hands of groups such as Al-Nusra Front and ISIS,and after that Iraq crisis happened when ISIS began to fight with equipments which in past was provided for them by West because of their temporary alliance with Syrian rebels.

Anytime West,specially US,has tried to intervene in Middle East they just messed anything up and then Middle East got more destabilized so terrorist group got more chance to gain power and influence.This is why I'm against any military intervention of West in Middle East.

[Lovelife090994]

This is not our mess my friend;this is exactly US and Saudi's mess.

After Soviets left Afghanistan,a Civil War happened in there which its main belligerents were :

Islamic State of Afghanistan or North Alliance:Led by Burhanaddin Rabbani and Ahmad Shah Massoud

against

Islamic Party (until 1994) and Taliban (since 1994 until 2001)

Both Taliban and Islamic Party were supported,equipped and funded by Pakistan and Saudi Arabia and at the same time US didn't do any hecking thing to prevent Saudis and Pakistanis from supporting and funding them;instead by supporting Saudi Arabia against Iran in that time,by funding them and selling them war equipments,they were indirectly supporting Taliban,the very thing which later they attacked Afghanistan claiming to destroy it.

Taliban was going to be defeated by North Alliance if only Saudis couldn't support them through Pakistan and US was responsible for this.US was responsible for an armed,well backed Taliban government in Afghanistan which turned into a spark for fire of other terrorist groups like Al-Qaeda and its branches.

Better not forget that US once again made the same mistake in Syria too.They should have stopped supporting FSA when first they allied themselves to Al-Qaeda related groups and Al-Nusra Front,but they didn't and you saw what happened.After awhile,nearly most of the lethal and non lethal aids which West provided them for Syrian rebels fell into hands of groups such as Al-Nusra Front and ISIS,and after that Iraq crisis happened when ISIS began to fight with equipments which in past was provided for them by West because of their temporary alliance with Syrian rebels.

Anytime West,specially US,has tried to intervene in Middle East they just messed anything up and then Middle East got more destabilized so terrorist group got more chance to gain power and influence.This is why I'm against any military intervention of West in Middle East.


So you want the West to be involved yet you're blaming us for a problem with YOUR people? How dense is that!? Honestly, these terrorists want blood, yours, mine, the world's, they are not from the West! You are blaming terrorism on America yet time and again we are the targets. Now I see, you really don't care.

[Vlerchan]

So you want the West to be involved yet you're blaming us for a problem with YOUR people?
No. He wants the West to not further involve itself in the problems the West created for the ME.

You are blaming terrorism on America yet time and again we are the targets.
In your opinion, why do terrorists target Americans?

[Lovelife090994]

No. He wants the West to not further involve itself in the problems the West created for the ME.


In your opinion, why do terrorists target Americans?

The West did not create terrorists! Terrorists target everyone. Terrorists hate Americans for being American. Terrorists are monsters and behind a couple centuries. They kill all who don't align to "their" Islam and "ideals."

[Left Now]

So you want the West to be involved yet you're blaming us for a problem with YOUR people? How dense is that!? Honestly, these terrorists want blood, yours, mine, the world's, they are not from the West! You are blaming terrorism on America yet time and again we are the targets. Now I see, you really don't care.

I care,and this is why I say US and West has to stay out of it.Is it really this hard to understand that all these problems were caused mostly because of US and West mistakes in region and their pointless interventions in Middle Eastern countries affairs?

I say there must be a coalition against ISIS in this crisis,but not a Western or NATO made coalition (because they will only make situation worse),but a Middle Eastern one mostly made of countries which are closer to Iraq and ISIS than others like Iran,Iraq itself,Turkey (but not NATO) and Syria in some cases.

By the way,any great the number of times US and West were attacked by terrorist groups is,still 80% of all terrorist attacks and activities are targeting Middle Eastern countries themselves.

The West did not create terrorists! Terrorists target everyone. Terrorists hate Americans for being American. Terrorists are monsters and behind a couple centuries. They kill all who don't align to "their" Islam and "ideals."

Not directly by the West,but because of the horrible mistakes which they have made during last twenty years and because of their blind supports for original supporters of terrorism and extremism in region,Saudi Arabia and Persian Gulf coastal puppet Kingdoms.

[Vlerchan]

The West did not create terrorists!
I'd suggest re-reading Broken Pen's posts.

You'll find that if you read into the MEs history that Western interventions over the last 60+ years have created the conditions that bred terrorists.

Terrorists target everyone.
Islamist terrorism has focused exclusively on countries that have involved themselves in the ME.

Terrorists hate Americans for being American.
It's not this simplistic. It never is.

Have you ever read the demands that groups like AQ produced?

[Lovelife090994]

I'd suggest re-reading Broken Pen's posts.

You'll find that if you read into the MEs history that Western interventions over the last 60+ years have created the conditions that bred terrorists.


Islamist terrorism has focused exclusively on countries that have involved themselves in the ME.


It's not this simplistic. It never is.

Have you ever read the demands that groups like AQ produced?


His posts are lies and delusioned because he's in some safe haven! Hatred knows no bounds. These terrorists must be executed.

I care,and this is why I say US and West has to stay out of it.Is it really this hard to understand that all these problems were caused mostly because of US and West mistakes in region and their pointless interventions in Middle Eastern countries affairs?

I say there must be a coalition against ISIS in this crisis,but not a Western or NATO made coalition (because they will only make situation worse),but a Middle Eastern one mostly made of countries which are closer to Iraq and ISIS than others like Iran,Iraq itself,Turkey (but not NATO) and Syria in some cases.

By the way,any great the number of times US and West were attacked by terrorist groups is,still 80% of all terrorist attacks and activities are targeting Middle Eastern countries themselves.


Your people didn't do airstrikes. Your world didn't help those minorities in Iran on that mountain. Your people are not acting. The West is acting to end violence. Do you honestly think that involvement justifies beheadings? If so then you are no better than the terrorists.

[Vlerchan]

His posts are lies and delusioned because he's in some safe haven!
No. They were not lies. I can go through it myself if you want.

And Iran, which borders Iraq, is not a "safe haven".

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Your people didn't do airstrikes.
Iran did. They also have boots on the ground.

Your people are not acting.
Do you research anything you produce?

The West is acting to end violence.
... to secure strategic corporate and geopolitical interests. It doesn't have a long-term strategy for the ME.

Do you honestly think that involvement justifies beheadings?
What?

[Lovelife090994]

No. They were not lies. I can go through it myself if you want.

And Iran, which borders Iraq, is not a "safe haven".

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Iran did. They also have boots on the ground.


Do you research anything you produce?


... to secure strategic corporate and geopolitical interests. It doesn't have a long-term strategy for the ME.


What?

How are you blaming the West? Are you a supporter of ISIS, death, and evil. This is far worse than I feared. The West should do all things possible to gut ISIS like a fish and burn the remnants to nill. Lies of how the West started terror won't win. You can't blame America for these heathens and 11th century viruses. No terrorist shall sleep safe until all are eradicated along with their beliefs to oblivion. It will be a beautiful day when the Middle East wins peace and quits blaming others for it's problems. This will not stand. I think you are lying Vlerchan. Perhaps you are a government spy sent here to spout propaganda? Who are you really? Where are you hiding? And what are your ideas?

[Left Now]

Your people didn't do airstrikes. Your world didn't help those minorities in Iran on that mountain. Your people are not acting. The West is acting to end violence. Do you honestly think that involvement justifies beheadings? If so then you are no better than the terrorists.

My people didn't do air strikes because air strikes are not that easy to be done for a country which has devoted its military and warfares mostly for Defensive Strategies, but it was the first which stepped into Iraq and sent military advisors and equipments for Iraqi government and Iraqi Kurdistan government to fight ISIS since its signs began to appear,and also it was the first country which sent fighting battalions to Iraq to aid Iraqi and Kurd armies and get into direct conflict with ISIS,so you simply cannot say that my people hasn't done anything for this crisis while our efforts for fighting ISIS in this crisis is without any doubt more than any other countries.

Did I say that involvement and interventions justifies genocide and massacre?No,but genocide and massacre doesn't justify pointless intervention of West neither.If something is going to get done,it must be done by Middle Easterners themselves.

[Vlerchan]

How are you blaming the West?
I researched the issue.

Are you a supporter of ISIS, death, and evil.
No.

Lies of how the West started terror won't win.
It's not lies. You can keep repeating it is but that doesn't make it true.

You can't blame America for these heathens and 11th century viruses.
I very much can.

It was the US that invaded Iraq, which destabilised it and turned it into a breeding ground for terrorism.

It will be a beautiful day when the Middle East wins peace and quits blaming others for it's problems.
WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

I think you are lying Vlerchan.
I don't care.

Perhaps you are a government spy sent here to spout propaganda?
Lol.

Who are you really?
Feel free to create a Vlerchan Q&A thread.

Where are you hiding?
Co. Wicklow, Ireland. In a house, in the countryside.

And what are your ideas?
You can view them in my signature.

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I was tempted to leave joke-y answers for a number of those questions but I was afraid you'd believe them.

[Lovelife090994]

My people didn't do air strikes because air strikes are not that easy to be done for a country which has devoted its military and warfares mostly for Defensive Strategies, but it was the first which stepped into Iraq and sent military advisors and equipments for Iraqi government and Iraqi Kurdistan government to fight ISIS since its signs began to appear,and also it was the first country which sent fighting battalions to Iraq to aid Iraqi and Kurd armies and get into direct conflict with ISIS,so you simply cannot say that my people hasn't done anything for this crisis while our efforts for fighting ISIS in this crisis is without any doubt more than any other countries.

Did I say that involvement and interventions justifies genocide and massacre?No,but genocide and massacre doesn't justify pointless intervention of West neither.If something is going to get done,it must be done by Middle Easterners themselves.


When a country can't stop the genocides and massacre then they have failed. We came in because the East has proven to be too "soft." You are saying, "we can fix it, go back to dying." But you can't fix it. You blame us rather than stop the violence. The violence must stop. Leave the blame and grab a gun to fight for freedom! Terrorists are now a world threat and you sit and blame the West? No, we didn't want our people or your people dead. We didn't want 9/11. We didn't need the Boston bombing. We didn't ask for our reporters to be beheaded. And instead or condolence you say, "Well, you should've stayed home." This is why people see the Middle East and Muslims as bad. It proves you're all not able to stop this.

[Lovelife090994]

I researched the issue.

WAR IS PEACE
FREEDOM IS SLAVERY
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH

Co. Wicklow, Ireland. In a house, in the countryside.


You can view them in my signature.

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I was tempted to leave joke-y answers for a number of those questions but I was afraid you'd believe them.

War is Never peace, freedom is Slavery's polar opposite, and ignorance is death and the anti to knowledge. I still think you lied. You are Irish by your signature and clearly extreme. I'm serious. You must be a spy. The West didn't ask for deaths. You won't win this war.

[Vlerchan]

War is Never peace, freedom is Slavery's polar opposite, and ignorance is death and the anti to knowledge.
You missed by point entirely.

What you said was the polar opposite to reality.

I still think you lied. You are Irish by your signature and clearly extreme. I'm serious. You must be a spy. The West didn't ask for deaths. You won't win this war.
I'm just going to ignore your inane ramblings.

[Harry Smith]

what have people been smoking today?

[Left Now]

When a country can't stop the genocides and massacre then they have failed. We came in because the East has proven to be too "soft." You are saying, "we can fix it, go back to dying." But you can't fix it. You blame us rather than stop the violence. The violence must stop. Leave the blame and grab a gun to fight for freedom! Terrorists are now a world threat and you sit and blame the West? No, we didn't want our people or your people dead. We didn't want 9/11. We didn't need the Boston bombing. We didn't ask for our reporters to be beheaded. And instead or condolence you say, "Well, you should've stayed home." This is why people see the Middle East and Muslims as bad. It proves you're all not able to stop this.


Oh Holy Marry!Dude you're just getting out of control once again.I say anytime West and US has intervened in affairs of Middle East,they have messed up,and anytime Middle Eastern countries which were not on their side have tried to do something which could put an end on massacres and genocides,they have told them to stay out of it or they will face West's wrath for it!

Do you think ISIS could resist if Iran was going to send its main IRGC forces and Army on them?Of course not,but West and Persian Gulf Arab Kingdoms and States don't want Iran to act in vast fields,because they fear their influence and power in Middle East weakens and Iran's strengthens.

And on the other side,Iran will never be ready to cooperate with Western Coalitions which intend to intervene in this region because they don't trust West because of black past which they have and wars which they have made in Middle East.

This is why I say if US and West stay out of it and just continue their minor air strikes and non lethal supports for civilians,those Middle Eastern countries which are capable of dealing with ISIS threat but don't want to cooperate with Western made coalitions for military interventions, can suppress them even quicker than what you think;of course with the permission of Iraqi government.

what have people been smoking today?

I'm not sure but I think Hubble-Bubble with flavor of Disagreement and in Some cases Insult...By the Way Hiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!!

[Lovelife090994]

You missed by point entirely.

What you said was the polar opposite to reality.


I'm just going to ignore your inane ramblings.

Inane? Polar opposites? I speak of the Truth.

what have people been smoking today?

Truth with a side of common sense and wisdom.

Oh Holy Marry!Dude you're just getting out of control once again.I say anytime West and US has intervened in affairs of Middle East,they have messed up,and anytime Middle Eastern countries which were not on their side have tried to do something which could put an end on massacres and genocides,they have told them to stay out of it or they will face West's wrath for it!

Do you think ISIS could resist if Iran was going to send its main IRGC forces and Army on them?Of course not,but West and Persian Gulf Arab Kingdoms and States don't want Iran to act in vast fields,because they fear their influence and power in Middle East weakens and Iran's strengthens.

And on the other side,Iran will never be ready to cooperate with Western Coalitions which intend to intervene in this region because they don't trust West because of black past which they have and wars which they have made in Middle East.

This is why I say if US and West stay out of it and just continue their minor air strikes and non lethal supports for civilians,those Middle Eastern countries which are capable of dealing with ISIS threat but don't want to cooperate with Western made coalitions for military interventions, can suppress them even quicker than what you think;of course with the permission of Iraqi government.



I'm not sure but I think Hubble-Bubble with flavor of Disagreement and in Some cases Insult...By the Way Hiiiiiiiiiiiiii!!!!

This still doesn't make sense. So basically the Middle East is like a child? They won't fix anything until they get their way and have the West leave? Again, it's been 13 years since 9/11 and the East has only gotten worse.

[Vlerchan]

Inane? Polar opposites? I speak of the Truth.
Because I am an ISIL-affiliated spy?

Again, it's been 13 years since 9/11 and the East has only gotten worse.
It got worse after the West decided to overthrow one stable government and fund rebellions against several others.

[Lovelife090994]

Because I am an ISIL-affiliated spy?


It got worse after the West decided to overthrow one stable government and fund rebellions against several others.

Stable!? You call dictatorship and acts against minorities as stable?

[Left Now]

This still doesn't make sense. So basically the Middle East is like a child? They won't fix anything until they get their way and have the West leave? Again, it's been 13 years since 9/11 and the East has only gotten worse.

No,it is West which is acting like a child.They look at Middle East like a playground which should only be their own and they should be able to enter it anytime they like.Middle Eastern countries cannot tolerate this;they want US and other Western countries understand that Middle East is not a place for their political games and for satisfying their desires for wealth and power.

It's gotten worse because US and West have supported Saudis and other puppet Arab Kingdoms more and more and have destabilized this region more and more and have tried to overthrow stable governments more and more and many other more and mores which if I want to tell all of them I need to continue until two decades later.

[Vlerchan]

Stable!? You call dictatorship and acts against minorities as stable?
I call "not being overrun by Islamists" stable.

I call "the rule of law still existing" stable.

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I also did not say that these countries were shining bastions of human rights.

[Lovelife090994]

No,it is West which is acting like a child.They look at Middle East like a playground which should only be their own and they should be able to enter it anytime they like.Middle Eastern countries cannot tolerate this;they want US and other Western countries understand that Middle East is not a place for their political games and for satisfying their desires for wealth and power.

It's gotten worse because US and West have supported Saudis and other puppet Arab Kingdoms more and more and have destabilized this region more and more and have tried to overthrow stable governments more and more and many other more and mores which if I want to tell all of them I need to continue until two decades later.

So to you the West deserves death?

I call "not being overrun by Islamists" stable.

I call "the rule of law still existing" stable.

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I also did not say that these countries were shining bastions of human rights.

It already was overrun by Islamists!

[Vlerchan]

It already was overrun by Islamists!
Iraq pre-Western intervention was a stable secularist and left-nationalists state. It was not overrun by Islamists.

Libya pre-Western-backed rebellion was a stable secularist and left-nationalist state. It was not overrun by Islamists.

Afghanistan pre-Western-backed rebellion was briefly stable progressive secular-socialist state. It was not overrun by Islamists.

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Again, I wonder if you've ever researched any of this.

[Southside]

The East clearly needs help. Why push away the west? Non-Muslims are killed everyday but it fails to make the news. You are blaming the existence of terrorists on the West? How? We don't want them either. Newsflash, we have had terror attacks worldwide and in America.

What do you think creates terrorist? Every time we go over there and do drone strikes on some rural mountain village and end up getting one bad guy and eight innocent goat herders(Just an example, it has happened though), that breeds terrorist.

If a foreign nation invaded your hometown/state and killed one of your relatives, you wouldn't want to fight back against them?

Im not trying to justify what ISIS is doing but we created and trained these terrorist. We were just best buddies with them when they were fighting Assad and when they were fighting the Soviets in the 80s, what happened?

Why did it take for a couple oil fields to be captured for us to speak up?

Has Switzerland or Austria ever been attacked by terrorist? No, you know why? They don't go around invading countries based on false premises and killing thousands of

[Lovelife090994]

What do you think creates terrorist? Every time we go over there and do drone strikes on some rural mountain village and end up getting one bad guy and eight innocent goat herders(Just an example, it has happened though), that breeds terrorist.

If a foreign nation invaded your hometown/state and killed one of your relatives, you wouldn't want to fight back against them?

Im not trying to justify what ISIS is doing but we created and trained these terrorist. We were just best buddies with them when they were fighting Assad and when they were fighting the Soviets in the 80s, what happened?

Why did it take for a couple oil fields to be captured for us to speak up?

Has Switzerland or Austria ever been attacked by terrorist? No, you know why? They don't go around invading countries based on false premises and killing thousands of

Iraq pre-Western intervention was a stable secularist and left-nationalists state. It was not overrun by Islamists.

Libya pre-Western-backed rebellion was a stable secularist and left-nationalist state. It was not overrun by Islamists.

Afghanistan pre-Western-backed rebellion was briefly stable progressive secular-socialist state. It was not overrun by Islamists.

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Again, I wonder if you've ever researched any of this.

You both fail to realize that no country deserves to have terrorists at their borders attacking their people. ISIS is ISIS, America is America, the West and the East are their own areas. You can't say America deserves ISIS attacks because they made it. Even IF America had something to do with this why not stop the problem? No, you'd rather say the West "we" made this happen? Air strikes must happen to stop these beasts called terrorists.

[Left Now]

So to you the West deserves death?

Did I say this?

[Lovelife090994]

Did I say this?

You are insinuating.

[Vlerchan]

You both fail to realize that no country deserves to have terrorists at their borders attacking their people.
No. Both of us do support eliminating ISIL.

Do you support defending Bashar Al Assad against ISIL?

You can't say America deserves ISIS attacks because they made it.
Neither of us said that.

Even IF America had something to do with this why not stop the problem?
Because, historically, they have only aggravated the problem.

No, you'd rather say the West "we" made this happen?
See above.

Air strikes must happen to stop these beasts called terrorists.
I've no idea why only the US are capable of delivering these.

I don't disagree with airstrikes as much as I'd disagree with combat troops though.

[Lovelife090994]

No. Both of us do support eliminating ISIL.

Do you support defending Bashar Al Assad against ISIL?


Neither of us said that.


Because, historically, they have only aggravated the problem.


See above.


I've no idea why only the US are capable of delivering these.

I don't disagree with airstrikes as much as I'd disagree with combat troops though.


What more will it take? Almost every country now has citizens leaving to ISIS, and now even the Vatican is at risk. What more will it take for the world to act? A dead king? A dead Pope? The fall of the Vatican? The realization that Jerusalem is but a memory? Millions more innocents dead? What more will it take?

[Stronk Serb]

what have people been smoking today?

Three cigars for me. But some people here... It looks like they smoked some hallucinogenic shit. Or just blindly follow to the Western propaganda machine.. Now to throw in my two cents. If the USA was like Germany, not Anschlussing or invading any country since 1945, they wouldn't have this problem. The Middle Easterners would be happy and we wouldn't have Johnny Jihad beheading people on camera left and right. The ISIS oil smuggling operations have decreased the price of oil in the world, so the US has got all uppity to stop them because they are losing money.