Actress refuses to provide Id, is detained, pulling race card.

[thatcountrykid]

'Django' actress defends not giving cop ID
http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/14/showbiz/django-unchained-actress-detained/index.html

Jesus Christ people are claiming rights that by law they do not have in that situation. She made it so much worse than it needed to be like the officer said.

[CharlieHorse]

they didn't charge her with anything and she didn't break any laws. They also assumed that she was a prostitute without even trying to ask. Then they take her down to the station?
They released her later practically in embarrassment.
I think the police could have better tried to understand the situation instead of immediately slapping handcuffs on her.
Sure she probably made it more difficult than necessary, and there was mis-communication on both sides. Everyone loses

[Harry Smith]

'Django' actress defends not giving cop ID
http://www.cnn.com/2014/09/14/showbiz/django-unchained-actress-detained/index.html

Jesus Christ people are claiming rights that by law they do not have in that situation. She made it so much worse than it needed to be like the officer said.

You need to brush up on your constitutional law - The LAPD hardly have a good record on race relations either

Is it a crime a to kiss your boyfriend in a car? No

[thatcountrykid]

they didn't charge her with anything and she didn't break any laws. They also assumed that she was a prostitute without even trying to ask. Then they take her down to the station?
They released her later practically in embarrassment.
I think the police could have better tried to understand the situation instead of immediately slapping handcuffs on her.
Sure she probably made it more difficult than necessary, and there was mis-communication on both sides. Everyone loses

Rey didn't take her to the station. She was released on scene not ten minutes after he really got the id.

You need to brush up on your constitutional law - The LAPD hardly have a good record on race relations either

Is it a crime a to kiss your boyfriend in a car? No

California law, and even the news station sai this on the video, that the officer was in his legal rights to ask for her is as part of the investigation.

The call they received stated there were sexual acts and he was investigating that.

Just because there where issues in the past of the what, 5 or 6 officers, in the Rodney king issue, you can't judge the whole group. Did you even watch the video?

[Harry Smith]

California law, and even the news station sai this on the video, that the officer was in his legal rights to ask for her is as part of the investigation.

The call they received stated there were sexual acts and he was investigating that.

Just because there where issues in the past of the what, 5 or 6 officers, in the Rodney king issue, you can't judge the whole group. Did you even watch the video?

I did watch the video, and I honestly think that the police could pretty much do anything and you'd still defend them-the moment someone seems to criticize the police you start telling them that they need to show respect.

I did watch the video, and I'm of the belief that they wasn't any sexual content-apart from kissing if you count that

[thatcountrykid]

I did watch the video, and I honestly think that the police could pretty much do anything and you'd still defend them-the moment someone seems to criticize the police you start telling them that they need to show respect.

I did watch the video, and I'm of the belief that they wasn't any sexual content-apart from kissing if you count that

I'll be the first to admit when they do something wrong. I do think people need to show respect because these guys will literally stand between them and a gun and ask for nothing back.

They're May not have been any sexual act, which is why they were released, but he still needed to investigate cause it was a 911 call. The officer never got angry and handled it very well. She started pulling race and all that shit into it.

[Harry Smith]

I'll be the first to admit when they do something wrong. I do think people need to show respect because these guys will literally stand between them and a gun and ask for nothing back.

They're May not have been any sexual act, which is why they were released, but he still needed to investigate cause it was a 911 call. The officer never got angry and handled it very well. She started pulling race and all that shit into it.

They'll ask for wages, union rights, protection from lawsuits. Which is only fair.

He investigated it, and then handcuffed her. Did you see the damage the handcuff did?

[Body odah Man]

Wow. The things that happen in this day and age

[thatcountrykid]

They'll ask for wages, union rights, protection from lawsuits. Which is only fair.

He investigated it, and then handcuffed her. Did you see the damage the handcuff did?

That's a given. They need unions because bullshit claims like this actress and they're job is indeed dangerous. Pay is pretty low for the job.

No I did not see what the hand cuffs did

He needed to verify identity in case she had assay a warrant or was wanted for a crime.

[Harry Smith]

He needed to verify identity in case she had assay a warrant or was wanted for a crime.

That's unconstitutional

[Vlerchan]

Pay is pretty low for the job.
California police officers and firefighters typically earn far more than most Californians.

California police officers made, on average, $96,400, including overtime, incentive pay and retirement payouts during 2012, according to a Bee analysis of new data from the state controller's office. Firefighters and engineers earned, on average, $120,700. Average pay for police captains across the state was $164,800; for fire captains, it was $148,200.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/14/showbiz/django-unchained-actress-detained/index.html

[thatcountrykid]

That's unconstitutional


How so

California police officers and firefighters typically earn far more than most Californians.

California police officers made, on average, $96,400, including overtime, incentive pay and retirement payouts during 2012, according to a Bee analysis of new data from the state controller's office. Firefighters and engineers earned, on average, $120,700. Average pay for police captains across the state was $164,800; for fire captains, it was $148,200.

http://edition.cnn.com/2014/09/14/showbiz/django-unchained-actress-detained/index.html

See that's including over time on top of the already 40 hour weeks.

[Harry Smith]

How so.

The police cant' ask for your name to see if you're bail/probation etc because you'd be incriminating yourself-something the 5th protects you from

[Vlerchan]

See that's including over time on top of the already 40 hour weeks.
Not including overtime (etc.) it's in and around $88,000, which is 7% higher than the national average. Starting salary is $71,000.

http://www.indeed.com/salary/q-Police-Officer-l-Los-Angeles,-CA.html

[Broken Toy]

why is this turning into a roast of the police department. the point is, someone (who happened to be famous) pulled race into a situation where it was completely unwarranted. if you want to grill the police on salary make a new thread.

[Harry Smith]

why is this turning into a roast of the police department. the point is, someone (who happened to be famous) pulled race into a situation where it was completely unwarranted. if you want to grill the police on salary make a new thread.

Because the police department are at fault maybe? You know with the whole complete break down of race relations in the last 5 years

[Broken Toy]

Because the police department are at fault maybe? You know with the whole complete break down of race relations in the last 5 years

so, relating this to the TOPIC, you believe it's justified to call racism when they simply asked for id. anyone with half a brain knows its common for the police to ask id, i get my name took all the time by police when im out, i dont look for an excuse against them. they're doing a job. if it turned out to be someone sinister, and they werent checked, i'd be more bothered about that

[CosmicNoodle]

they didn't charge her with anything and she didn't break any laws. They also assumed that she was a prostitute without even trying to ask. Then they take her down to the station?
They released her later practically in embarrassment.
I think the police could have better tried to understand the situation instead of immediately slapping handcuffs on her.
Sure she probably made it more difficult than necessary, and there was mis-communication on both sides. Everyone loses

Exactly, both sides made it worse for the other, tension rise and a cluster fuck issued.

[Harry Smith]

so, relating this to the TOPIC, you believe it's justified to call racism when they simply asked for id. anyone with half a brain knows its common for the police to ask id, i get my name took all the time by police when im out, i dont look for an excuse against them. they're doing a job. if it turned out to be someone sinister, and they werent checked, i'd be more bothered about that

ok lets look at this TOPIC.

It's against the constitution (assuming you've got laymans knowledge of it) to ask someone for their ID-it goes against the principles that the US is based on theoretically.

They're just doing their job?

You talk about policing in the UK; lets look at the facts which shows that race really does come into it

Ben Bowling, professor of criminology at King's College London said the research showed a "racial penalty" being exacted by the police on ethnic minorities in Britain: "It remains an example of what the Lawrence inquiry referred to as institutional racism. In my view, the police use of stop and search is simply not good enough."

n 2009/10, under PACE 1984 and other legislation, black people were seven times more likely to be stopped and searched than white people, and Asian people twice as likely to be searched as white people -

If the police stopped me I wouldn't bow down and thank the officer for doing his job; I'd ask him for his unique constable number, the reason that I'm being searched along with the law he's using.

[Vlerchan]

if you want to grill the police on salary make a new thread.
He's arguing that police get little compensation for the work they do. I'm pointing out that he's incorrect and police do in fact get large amounts of compensation. I'm not "grill"-ing anyone - I haven't even said something that's not an impartial quotation or a direct reference.

Racial Profiling also is an issue in LA ( http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/23/opinion/oe-ayres23) so I see no reason why the accused wouldn't question the tactics that led to her arrest herself. It's not just "pulling the race card" because that implies there's no basis.

[Broken Toy]

ok lets look at this TOPIC.

It's against the constitution (assuming you've got laymans knowledge of it) to ask someone for their ID-it goes against the principles that the US is based on theoretically.

They're just doing their job? Do I need to invoke Godwin?

You talk about policing in the UK; lets look at the facts which shows that race really does come into it





If the police stopped me I wouldn't bow down and thank the officer for doing his job; I'd ask him for his unique constable number, the reason that I'm being searched along with the law he's using.

for some reason, im not overly familiar with us law seeing how there's 50 different versions of it but im guessing they have the probable cause law. if he responded to a 911 call and asks for id, if she is in the area, then it's probable cause.


He's arguing that police get little compensation for the work they do. I'm pointing out that he's incorrect and police do in fact get large amounts of compensation. I'm not "grill"-ing anyone - I haven't even said something that's not an impartial quotation or a direct reference.

Racial Profiling also is an issue in LA ( http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/23/opinion/oe-ayres23) so I see no reason why the accused wouldn't question the tactics that led to her arrest herself. It's not just "pulling the race card" because that implies there's no basis.

theres not. basically he tried his best to do his job. are you trying to tell me if this was a white person who was in the area (which it COULD have been easily) that this fuss would of kicked up. no.

its this stupid thing of, i'll be offended on your behalf. you're looking at an excuse of a stupid call on the actresses behalf to bring racism into it. maybe the reason black people get stopped more is because of chance.

if i saw evidence of the whole police force being baed off racist stereotypes, i would agree that police are racist. there isnt. there are isolated incidents of it. i think that this story will be forgotten immediately because its so stupid. she devalued the meaning of racism by saying that an inquiry into a 911 call is racism.

SHE trivialised racism. racism is when someone acts like you are inferior, not when you are questioned by someone when thats part of his job.

[Vlerchan]

are you trying to tell me if this was a white person who was in the area (which it COULD have been easily) that this fuss would of kicked up. no.
No. I'm saying Black people are disproportionately involved in incidents like this with the police.

you're looking at an excuse of a stupid call on the actresses behalf to bring racism into it. maybe the reason black people get stopped more is because of chance.
You'll find that this is a trend that repeats itself across jurisdiction and in places like LA is quite glaring.

You're clutching at straws calling it "chance".

if i saw evidence of the whole police force being baed off racist stereotypes, i would agree that police are racist.
From source:

On monday, the ACLU of Southern California released a report analyzing more than 700,000 cases in which Los Angeles Police Department officers stopped pedestrians and/or drivers of motor vehicles between July 2003 and June 2004.

The study, which I wrote with my research assistant, Jonathan Borowsky, asked not simply whether African Americans and Latinos are stopped and searched by the LAPD more often than whites -- it's clear that they are -- but the more complex question of whether these racial disparities are justified by legitimate policing practices, such as deciding to police more aggressively in high-crime neighborhoods.

We found persistent and statistically significant racial disparities in policing that raise grave concerns that African Americans and Latinos in Los Angeles are, as we put it in the report, "over-stopped, over-frisked, over-searched and over-arrested." After controlling for violent crime rates and property crime rates in specific neighborhoods, as well as a host of other variables, we found the following:

For every 10,000 residents, about 3,400 more black people are stopped than whites[/v[, and 360 more Latinos are stopped than whites. [b]Stopped blacks are 127% more likely to be frisked -- and stopped Latinos are 43% more likely to be frisked -- than stopped whites.

Stopped blacks are 76% more likely to be searched, and stopped Latinos are 16% more likely to be searched than stopped whites.

Stopped blacks are 29% more likely to be arrested, and stopped Latinos are 32% more likely to be arrested than stopped whites.

Now consider this: Although stopped blacks were 127% more likely to be frisked than stopped whites, they were 42.3% less likely to be found with a weapon after they were frisked, 25% less likely to be found with drugs and 33% less likely to be found with other contraband. We found similar patterns for Latinos.

Not only did we find that African Americans and Latinos were subjected to more stops, frisks, searches and arrests than whites, we also found that these additional police actions aren't because of the fact that people of color live in higher-crime areas or because they more often carry drugs or weapons, or any other legitimate reason that we can discern from the rich set of data we examined.

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/23/opinion/oe-ayres23

I can't imagine the police are working off empirical evidence if they're producing these type of results. Seems more likely they're paying heed to racist stereotypes.

racism is when someone acts like you are inferior[1], not when you are questioned by someone when thats part of his job.[2]
[1]: Racial Supremacism is different to Racism.

[2]: No, being caught up in a greater trend of racial profiling is exactly what racism is.

[Broken Toy]

Well thank you for actually bringing that up, but if you could find a more recent report at all that would be more helpful.

I do believe that there are certain stereotypes in the back of everyone's mind about who looks like they have drugs, who might have a gun, and the police are wrong to act on them, but what is anyone going to do about it?

People complain about the police regularly but no one seems to improve it. Ithink the police are trying to win a lose lose game here since they are scrutinized on everything by being put in a position where they have to be perfect. Please tell me how the police are expected to win.

Ps. Your point was good and i thank you for showing me evidence, but can we agree the original story is a bit stupid to bring race in. As i said, she has trivialised the standards of racism. If everyone did that, no one would take racism seriously. (i don't expect you to agree, we couldn't be more opposite on sides of the table, but try and see where im coming from)

[Harry Smith]

for some reason, im not overly familiar with us law seeing how there's 50 different versions of it but im guessing they have the probable cause law. if he responded to a 911 call and asks for id, if she is in the area, then it's probable cause.

No, that's not how US law works. The US consitituon and the Supreme court cases show that the police need to have a reason for asking for ID, and if you believe giving ID could make you appear guilty then you don't have to hand it over (only exception is firearms cases)

If everyone did that, no one would take racism seriously

Would you say the same to Rosa Parks?

It's not the 1960's, racism doesn't come on a big old tin anymore

[Vlerchan]

Well thank you for actually bringing that up, but if you could find a more recent report at all that would be more helpful.
The LAPD hasn't been to cooperative in releasing statistics so I can't.

I can however find statistics for other areas if you want.

... but what is anyone going to do about it?
I like to complain on web forums at 12am at night.

I would presume some organised protest would be more effective though.

Please tell me how the police are expected to win.
Not being overwhelmingly racist in their approach to law enforcement would be a start.

Your point was good and i thank you for showing me evidence, but can we agree the original story is a bit stupid to bring race in.
I thank you for being courteous, but no.

Considering the general trend, I don't find her claims "stupid".

[Broken Toy]

No, that's not how US law works. The US consitituon and the Supreme court cases show that the police need to have a reason for asking for ID, and if you believe giving ID could make you appear guilty then you don't have to hand it over (only exception is firearms cases)



Would you say the same to Rosa Parks?

It's not the 1960's, racism doesn't come on a big old tin anymore

Nice job harry. Your taking things out of context level just increased.

Ok, you chose it, lets compare.

Rosa parks: on a bus, EXPECTED to move to the back because white people DESERVE the front. Refuses. Defies racism (also not the first to do so, another did before but it was kept quiet so people didn't take inspiration)

This story: out, 911 call comes in. Asked for ID with the reason being the 911 call, could refuse, instead gets rowdy and calls racism. Trivialising racism.

[Broken Toy]

Not being overwhelmingly racist in their approach to law enforcement would be a start.


I thank you for being courteous, but no.

Considering the general trend, I don't find her claims "stupid".

The general trend does show that the police do use racist stereotypes in their work, but that is racist. This had cause. It wasn't like the cop was just going on the premise because of her race. The call came in. It wasn't a street patrol or anything.

[Neverender]

I'm not sure about the US, but not revealing ID to an RCMP officer in Canada is completely legal even if you're being suspected of a crime. It's more-or-less unlawful for them to arrest you after unless they have good authority to suspect you of a serious crime, and the ID isn't of any real importance.

Now, the actress should have shown her ID and saved the cops the trouble of bringing her in. She isn't entirely innocent here as she didn't cooperate and it wasn't for any compelling reasons.

[Harry Smith]

Nice job harry. Your taking things out of context level just increased.

Ok, you chose it, lets compare.

Rosa parks: on a bus, EXPECTED to move to the back because white people DESERVE the front. Refuses. Defies racism

This story: out, 911 call comes in. Asked for ID with the reason being the 911 call, could refuse, instead gets rowdy and calls racism. Trivialising racism.

My taking things out of context level? What does that have to do with the debate.

White people deserve the front of the bus? Why do white people deserve to sit on the front on the bus when there was various supreme court rulings e.g Morgan vs Virginia. She barely defied racism considering she got arrested and thrown in Jail-my whole argument was that many white southerns would of much like you accused her of playing the race card

You still don't get the thing about ID, you seemed to ignore it completely when it came up before.

She had a legal right not to hand over her ID, it's her legal right.

It's not trivialising racism because as I said before (and as I ignored) Racism no longer is a southern democract telling you that you're going to get lynched for looked at his daughter. Racism, much like sexism and homophobia has evolved since the 1960's as society also evolves. It's like 40 years the LAPD probably would of beaten her up and thrown her in a cell-that's racist right

20 years ago the LAPD still had a tendency to beat people up, but nowadays it's much harder for that to happen due to social media, mobile phones so I'd argue that racism happens in much different forms e.g police abusing stop and search powers, did you see the evidence earlier that shows that both the LAPD and UK police forces have a tendency to stop black's about what 7 times more often-there's serious racist undertones to that. If you want more example of this look at the way Black celebrities who drive in nice cars are stopped constantly. I mean you said before

maybe the reason black people get stopped more is because of chance.

If you honestly think this then well you've got a skewered view of the police

There's a pretty good article on the huffington post that deals with the issue, and how it's damaging race relations.

It says that being stopped and searched

It is a virtual rite of passage for every black boy. White boys lose their virginity, Jewish boys get bar mitvah'ed, and black boys have their first police stop. Now, I was a man.

The presumption of guilt and danger that is at the heart of racial profiling lays heavy upon every black person living in America. It changes our relationship with the world. We are constantly on guard against a charge, a confrontation, a challenge. Racial profiling does long-term damage to the self-image, self-esteem and ego of the African American.

[Broken Toy]

My taking things out of context level? What does that have to do with the debate.

White people deserve the front of the bus? Why do white people deserve to sit on the front on the bus when there was various supreme court rulings e.g Morgan vs Virginia. She barely defied racism considering she got arrested and thrown in Jail-my whole argument was that many white southerns would of much like you accused her of playing the race card

You still don't get the thing about ID, you seemed to ignore it completely when it came up before.

She had a legal right not to hand over her ID, it's her legal right.

It's not trivialising racism because as I said before (and as I ignored) Racism no longer is a southern democract telling you that you're going to get lynched for looked at his daughter. Racism, much like sexism and homophobia has evolved since the 1960's as society also evolves. It's like 40 years the LAPD probably would of beaten her up and thrown her in a cell-that's racist right

20 years ago the LAPD still had a tendency to beat people up, but nowadays it's much harder for that to happen due to social media, mobile phones so I'd argue that racism happens in much different forms e.g police abusing stop and search powers, did you see the evidence earlier that shows that both the LAPD and UK police forces have a tendency to stop black's about what 7 times more often-there's serious racist undertones to that. If you want more example of this look at the way Black celebrities who drive in nice cars are stopped constantly. I mean you said before



If you honestly think this then well you've got a skewered view of the police

There's a pretty good article on the huffington post that deals with the issue, and how it's damaging race relations.

It says that being stopped and searched

See. Stop taking things out of context. Did i say at any time about getting lynched. YOU brought up Rosa parks and it was counter productive to your argument and now you're backtracking.

The point of 'she barely defied racism' is a really disrespectful thing to say. In that time black people could be murdered and people got away with it and you say she didn't defy racism. It was really brave for her to say that she WASNT below white people. You say that to Rosa parks...

And i think it proves my point about how racism is trivialised so much it loses value as a term that you actually believe this is racism.

Reason - a call came in
Racist language used - 0
At any point acted like she was below him - no
Tried to do an extremely hard job that gets accused all the time (for right or wrong reasons, this case wrong) - yes

And i applaud your fact twisting. I believe everyone should have as equal rights as possible but 7TIMES more likely. It said 127%. That's just over 2TIMES

[Left Now]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Broken Pen
you're looking at an excuse of a stupid call on the actresses behalf to bring racism into it. maybe the reason black people get stopped more is because of chance.
You'll find that this is a trend that repeats itself across jurisdiction and in places like LA is quite glaring.

You're clutching at straws calling it "chance".

I think you quoted me my friend! :mad:

[ksdnfkfr]

Edit: I wrote something before getting the whole story....my bad

[Harry Smith]

See. Stop taking things out of context. Did i say at any time about getting lynched. YOU brought up Rosa parks and it was counter productive to your argument and now you're backtracking.



How am I backtracking? I gave my response to the Rosa parks situation.

[Broken Toy]

How am I backtracking? I gave my response to the Rosa parks situation.

IM done debating. I was at least expecting your response to include you to concede what you said was disrespectful. That's the difference between us, i am willing to take in what the other person says (example between me and vlerchan when he proved that there was probably a lot of racial stereotyping in id checks) you just can't. You instead bring up the points YOU want to nothing wrong with conceding man.

[Harry Smith]

IM done debating. I was at least expecting your response to include you to concede what you said was disrespectful. That's the difference between us, i am willing to take in what the other person says (example between me and vlerchan when he proved that there was probably a lot of racial stereotyping in id checks) you just can't. You instead bring up the points YOU want to nothing wrong with conceding man.

What was disrespectful about saying Rosa Parks played a small role in the civil rights era?

If someone accuses me of something why is it bad to ask for evidence?

I already agree with Vlerchan so I've got nothing to concede in the argument-your the one claiming that the police aren't using racist tactics.

[Broken Toy]

What was disrespectful about saying Rosa Parks played a small role in the civil rights era?

If someone accuses me of something why is it bad to ask for evidence?

I already agree with Vlerchan so I've got nothing to concede in the argument-your the one claiming that the police aren't using racist tactics.

You've got to be a radical feminist. Theyre the only ones who could have such a lack of logic and general sense.

Rosa parks was brave but you say she 'barely defied racism'. NO ONE said she played a huge role. But it was brave what she did none the less.

Did i miss something. When did i accuse you, when did you ask for evidence.

I CONCEDED that vlerchan did show that there were a lot of cops using racial steretypes. If you're going to debate, quote my whole post so people can see that you are just being childish and twisting words.
Hint. Taking things out of context and having a self rightous close minded attitude wont get you anywhere. That's why i had a real discussion earlier before your childish tactics turned up

[Harry Smith]

You've got to be a radical feminist. Theyre the only ones who could have such a lack of logic and general sense.



What does that have to do with the debate?

Rosa parks was brave but you say she 'barely defied racism'. NO ONE said she played a huge role. But it was brave what she did none the less.

Key word there is barely,
Rosa Parks was brave, that's a given. I was just stating that she was hardly a revolutionary in the civil rights era for a number of reasons A) She was a figurehead B) Her campaign only led to voluntary desegregation C) It didn't lead to a SCOTUS ruling. There seems to be a myth that Rosa Parks refused to stand up and then civil rights emerged in America.

My point about her, was that back in the 1950's many people would of accused her of playing the race card, being a troublemaker, wasting time etc. The bottom line is that if something defies your constitutional rights you have a legal right to refuse, as the actor did when she refused to issue her ID.

Did i miss something. When did i accuse you, when did you ask for evidence.

You accused me of backpeddling on my position

If you're going to debate, quote my whole post so people can see that you are just being childish and twisting words.

If people want to see they can scroll up, I've been on these boards for about a year and a half and I've never seen a rule saying that you need to post an entire quote.

How am I being childish? Evidence....?

Taking things out of context and having a self rightous close minded attitude wont get you anywhere. That's why i had a real discussion earlier before your childish tactics turned up

The irony, pretty much everyone who debates has views that are pretty entrenched. Look at my earlier posts on ramblings of the wise

[Broken Toy]

If you want to re read my posts correctly then actually have some opinion of value, rather than just be headstrong and nitpick at mine, let me know

[Harry Smith]

If you want to re read my posts correctly then actually have some opinion of value, rather than just be headstrong and nitpick at mine, let me know

I didn't nitpick. I gave a full in depth response to each one of your posts. I'd also appreciate it if you stop insulting me

[Broken Toy]

I didn't nitpick. I gave a full in depth response to each one of your posts. You seem to be running out of insults

Now you disregard my entire contribution to this discussion. I. Simply question why someone is on the debate section if there so close minded.

You're the one who believes that an officer doing his job is racism but the Rosa parks incident wasn't brave or anything 'barely defied racism'. I think you mean barely challenged society but you haven't corrected yourself so i have to go on the basis you're really willing to try and devalue the actions of others to prove your own points. That's just self importance and im not even trying to insult you but i can only reply with what im given and that's your closed mindedness.

[Harry Smith]

EDIT

I give up on this though as I realize I've gone extremely off topic.

if you want to discuss this any further send me a PM as I'm not prepared to block up this thread.

[Gamma Male]

If there's a law that says you must provide ID to police despite not having committed a crime, that law is fucking stupid.

And prostitution shouldn't even be illegal in the first place. Don't these officers have better things to do than arrest people for consensual sex?

[Vlerchan]

The call came in. It wasn't a street patrol or anything.
It's notable that the actress in question wasn't aware of this during the dispute.

So, in context, her claims are not "stupid".

You've got to be a radical feminist. Theyre the only ones who could have such a lack of logic and general sense.
I don't think you understand what "radical feminist" means.

[thatcountrykid]

If there's a law that says you must provide ID to police despite not having committed a crime, that law is fucking stupid.

And prostitution shouldn't even be illegal in the first place. Don't these officers have better things to do than arrest people for consensual sex?

Only cops are hated when they both do their job and don't do their job. The call came that people were having sex in public. That's not legal.

[Gamma Male]

Only cops are hated when they both do their job and don't do their job. The call came that people were having sex in public. That's not legal.

I didn't day anything about the cops. I just said that the law was unjust.

[thatcountrykid]

Don't these officers have better things to do than arrest people for consensual sex?

I didn't day anything about the cops. I just said that the law was unjust.
I beleive you did.

[Gamma Male]

I beleive you did.

Well, if I was an officer I would try to spend my time actually preventing real crimes.

[thatcountrykid]

Well, if I was an officer I would try to spend my time actually preventing real crimes.

He can't just ignore a call. An exactly IF you where a cop but honestly I don't think you could do it. Beleive it or not there are slow days for crimes and there are specialize units. There may have been nothing going on in his district and he was not needed elsewhere.