I'm not seeing any riots.

[thatcountrykid]

http://www.policeone.com/police-heroes/articles/7539053-Kan-officer-shot-and-killed-suspect-arrested/

Just sayin

[Elysium]

I don't understand... should there be riots over every cop shooting? Am I missing something particular to this event? I mean it's awful and terrible and tragic and it really shouldn't happen, but it does happen. Cops know the risk when they commit themselves to the job.

[TheN3rdyOutcast]

Just some loser who decided to use social media to try and blow things out of proportion. No riots, everything is fine, and about half the country has forgotten already.

[thatcountrykid]

I don't understand... should there be riots over every cop shooting? Am I missing something particular to this event? I mean it's awful and terrible and tragic and it really shouldn't happen, but it does happen. Cops know the risk when they commit themselves to the job.

So just cause they know the risk doesn't mean there should be a huge outcry? Frankly that bothers me cause yeah my dad knows the risk but if something happened to him I'm sure I'd feel horrible.

Since Michael brown knew te risk when he robbed the store is it ok?

Just some loser who decided to use social media to try and blow things out of proportion. No riots, everything is fine, and about half the country has forgotten already.

There was a pretty big problem if you referring to ferguson.

[Vlerchan]

Since Michael brown knew te risk when he robbed the store is it ok?
Brown's shooting had nothing to do with him robbing the store.

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thatcountrykid, do you understand why people rioted in Ferguson? what caused the events? It happened as a result of a lot more than just a shooting.

There's no outcry here because there's no controversy. Everyone agrees that the killer is a bad guy.

[Elysium]

So just cause they know the risk doesn't mean there should be a huge outcry? Frankly that bothers me cause yeah my dad knows the risk but if something happened to him I'm sure I'd feel horrible.

Since Michael brown knew te risk when he robbed the store is it ok?



There was a pretty big problem if you referring to ferguson.
Vlerchan put it better than I could. There will not be an outcry or riot for every murder and that's just how life is. If it had more to do with race, sex, etc. there probably would be an outcry, but it doesn't. Why should people riot? What would they be rioting for or against?

[TheN3rdyOutcast]

There was a pretty big problem if you referring to ferguson.

Still, nothing to cause mass chaos and destruction for.

[Living For Love]

http://www.policeone.com/police-heroes/articles/7539053-Kan-officer-shot-and-killed-suspect-arrested/

Just sayin
So you were expecting police officers to protest and riot like in the Michael Brown's case? Sorry to disappoint you, but fortunately, police officers are not like the lowlifes that were rioting in Ferguson, so no, I don't think it will happen.

[thatcountrykid]

Vlerchan put it better than I could. There will not be an outcry or riot for every murder and that's just how life is. If it had more to do with race, sex, etc. there probably would be an outcry, but it doesn't. Why should people riot? What would they be rioting for or against?

I don't want riots but maybe it'd be nice fore it to get past local news. An officer was killed. Honor the guy. Honestly there should be a lot more people fuming over this than some criminal but hey that's my opinion.

Still, nothing to cause mass chaos and destruction for.

I don't want riots for it butaybe it'd be nice to see it in the news and see the guy be honored and not just written off.

So you were expecting police officers to protest and riot like in the Michael Brown's case? Sorry to disappoint you, but fortunately, police officers are not like the lowlifes that were rioting in Ferguson, so no, I don't think it will happen.

Well I know police won't riot because yes they know the risks and even if it is sad they cry silently and move one. I'd just like seeing a little more publics support. See people fight and help officers be safer. Cops already have it hard enough but the this happens, they don't need anymore shit.

Posts merged. Next time, please use the "Edit" or "Multi" button. ~Elysium

[Living For Love]

Well I know police won't riot because yes they know the risks and even if it is sad they cry silently and move one. I'd just like seeing a little more publics support. See people fight and help officers be safer. Cops already have it hard enough but the this happens, they don't need anymore shit.

Well, unless people gain a bit more conscience and try to cure their I Hate Police Officers Because I Am A Badass And It Makes Me Look Cool disorder, I don't think that public support will happen. Either way, what would that support cause? He's dead, we can't do anything to bring him back, we can only try to identify the suspects and bring them to justice.

[Gamma Male]

I don't understand what you want. As vlerchan said, there's no public outcry or controversy because everybody agrees that the killer is a bad guy and everybody wants to see him brought to justice.


I'll also add that I'm very passionate about stopping gun violence against (and by) police so you can't say I don't care. If we would just legalize every drug and guarantee a minimum income for all citizens shootings against police officers would fall drastically.

[AgentHomo]

Because this wasn't an issue about an innocent youth being shot and killed on the sole basis he was black. Yes he was not innocent, but the officer was unaware of his involvement in ANY crime when he shot Brown, proving that he pulled him over and harassed him for no suspion other than that he was black. That is why the protests are justified.

[thatcountrykid]

. If we would just legalize every drug and guarantee a minimum income for all citizens shootings against police officers would fall drastically.

I'm sorry but you have got to be fucking kidding.

[Gamma Male]

I'm sorry but you have got to be fucking kidding.

Nope. Legalizing drugs would bankrupt the cartels and get rid of one of the primary means for gangs to form, and tackling economic inequality and guaranteeing free health care and education and housing for everyone would strongly reduce the incentive for people to join gangs.

[Harry Smith]

So it's bad when people riot, and bad when they don't riot.....

[thatcountrykid]

Nope. Legalizing drugs would bankrupt the cartels and get rid of one of the primary means for gangs to form, and tackling economic inequality and guaranteeing free health care and education and housing for everyone would strongly reduce the incentive for people to join gangs.

Marijuana is legal in my state and cartels are flourishing especially within the state. People are given free education in public schools and still take advantage. It's up to the individual. Personally I don't see any problem with economic inequality because a lot of rich people have fought for and earned it. But that's not te point of this thread. I don't see how legalizing meth and shit is good for people and lower people shooting at cops especially with Todays society.

[Vlerchan]

Personally I don't see any problem with economic inequality because a lot of rich people have fought for and earned it.
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[Broken Toy]

Heres a question. Why is it that America (sorry for the generalisation) are outraged when people mention tighter gun laws. In England, not many people own guns unless they have licenses which are hard to get, and the police don't have guns. That is a major reason England don't have as much anger towards their police force, because the only time force is used is when the criminal threatens them first

[Gamma Male]

Marijuana is legal in my state and cartels are flourishing especially within the state. People are given free education in public schools and still take advantage. It's up to the individual. Personally I don't see any problem with economic inequality because a lot of rich people have fought for and earned it. But that's not te point of this thread. I don't see how legalizing meth and shit is good for people and lower people shooting at cops especially with Todays society.

Allow me to expand.

If you look at the illicit drug industry from an economic perspective, the primary job of police and the DEA is to protect the profits of cartels. When there is a strong demand for something that can be easily manufactured, odds are there's also going to be a supply trying to keep up, regardless of whether or not that something is legal. By making drugs illegal, we've turned the manufacture of the supply over from legitimate bushiness that pay taxes and adhere to regulation to cartels and gangs. And by doing so we're drastically increasing their profit margin and thus increasing gun violence, because when there are more gangs and cartels there is more violence.

So you see, one of the best possible ways to reduce the number of police who die is to legalize drugs. If this death upsets you so much, maybe you should change your stance on the legality of drugs. ;)

[Harry Smith]

Heres a question. Why is it that America (sorry for the generalisation) are outraged when people mention tighter gun laws. In England, not many people own guns unless they have licenses which are hard to get, and the police don't have guns. That is a major reason England don't have as much anger towards their police force, because the only time force is used is when the criminal threatens them first

Even as an Anglophile I'd disagree with this.

English police, as shown in the Mark Duggan case are just as bad with dealing with gun situations. We too had riots over a shooting by a policemen so I'd say it's unfair to claim it only happens in America.

I'd say there's also much greater hatred for the people in Liverpool than there is in many areas of the US. We have just as much anger towards our police

[Broken Toy]

Even as an Anglophile I'd disagree with this.

English police, as shown in the Mark Duggan case are just as bad with dealing with gun situations. We too had riots over a shooting by a policemen so I'd say it's unfair to claim it only happens in America.

I'd say there's also much greater hatred for the people in Liverpool than there is in many areas of the US. We have just as much anger towards our police

Well first i must apologise for coming across that way. I didn't mean to seem like i was incinuating it only happened in America. Second, this sounds stupid for a complex debate but please don't use technical words like anglophile, im pretty stupid. I think what im getting at is that American police can make.the honest mistake of shooting an unarmed man because of nerves or anything. In England, since the police do not have their guns on hand, they are less likely to make such a mistake. The police forces guns incite hatred against themselves in cases where the police had a gun and the criminal didnt

In regards to the Liverpool thing, i would disagree to an extent because a lot of people may stereotype Liverpool but not technically agree with it. I think it is just a dying stereotype that will take some time.

[thatcountrykid]

Allow me to expand.

If you look at the illicit drug industry from an economic perspective, the primary job of police and the DEA is to protect the profits of cartels. When there is a strong demand for something that can be easily manufactured, odds are there's also going to be a supply trying to keep up, regardless of whether or not that something is legal. By making drugs illegal, we've turned the manufacture of the supply over from legitimate bushiness that pay taxes and adhere to regulation to cartels and gangs. And by doing so we're drastically increasing their profit margin and thus increasing gun violence, because when there are more gangs and cartels there is more violence.

So you see, one of the best possible ways to reduce the number of police who die is to legalize drugs. If this death upsets you so much, maybe you should change your stance on the legality of drugs. ;)

So legalize the drugs that will only ruin thousands of lives and take thousands of more and swamp America with an increase in violence of crimes. That makes total sense. Ever hear of the mafia. They ran business legal but still did it dirty with crime. That's what cartels do and will do.

Well first i must apologise for coming across that way. I didn't mean to seem like i was incinuating it only happened in America. Second, this sounds stupid for a complex debate but please don't use technical words like anglophile, im pretty stupid. I think what im getting at is that American police can make.the honest mistake of shooting an unarmed man because of nerves or anything. In England, since the police do not have their guns on hand, they are less likely to make such a mistake. The police forces guns incite hatred against themselves in cases where the police had a gun and the criminal didnt

In regards to the Liverpool thing, i would disagree to an extent because a lot of people may stereotype Liverpool but not technically agree with it. I think it is just a dying stereotype that will take some time.

In all fairness it's not their job to make the criminal feel masculine and be equal. Their job is to have the upper hand and fight crime.

Please use the 'edit' button and pasting the second quote & response in instead of double posting. ~Typhlosion

[Harry Smith]

Ever hear of the mafia. They ran business legal but still did it dirty with crime.

That's a massive simplification, the RICO Act shows that what you say is incorrect. The mafia didn't 'run business legal'

. In England, since the police do not have their guns on hand, they are less likely to make such a mistake. The police forces guns incite hatred against themselves in cases where the police had a gun and the criminal didnt

In regards to the Liverpool thing, i would disagree to an extent because a lot of people may stereotype Liverpool but not technically agree with it. I think it is just a dying stereotype that will take some time.

There's been multiple cases in the UK where the police have had guns and the criminal didn't. The problem in America isn't that the police are armed because quite frankly they need to be armed in America considering they have such loose gun controls-even I can admit that. Even if you take guns out of the situation the police in this country are just as unpopular-I'd even argue there more unpopular due to their links to establishment cover ups e.g hillsborough, Jimmy saville...

I went to the Student protests, I saw how the police treat protestors and I know that they're just as incompetent and aggressive.

It's not a liverpool stereotype-there's a reason you can't buy the sun newspaper

[Gamma Male]

So legalize the drugs that will only ruin thousands of lives and take thousands of more
Actually, legalizing drugs would be best for drug addicts because it would allow them to seek help without fear of arrest or persecution. Drug addiction isn't a criminal issue, it's a medical one. We need to start treating herion and meth addicts the same way we treat alcoholics, getting them help instead of locking them up.
and swamp America with an increase in violence of crimes. That makes total sense.
If you have as statistic supporting this claim I'd like to see it. Portugal decriminalized all drugs 12 years ago and since then violent crime has actually decreased.
Ever hear of the mafia. They ran business legal but still did it dirty with crime. That's what cartels do and will do.

The mafia arose as a result of prohibition, and though they're still around today, their power and influence drastically decreased with the legalization of alcohol.


Besides, legalizing drugs is just one way to decrease gun violence. Tackling economic inequality and ensuring all citizens have access to food, housing, medical care, and a college education would decrease it even more.

You're so passionate about preventing officer deaths, what solutions do you recommend? Keep in mind I haven't even mentioned gun control because my opinions on its effectiveness are mixed.