The unrealistic expectations of police

[thatcountrykid]

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Let's see where this thread goes.

[Blood]

well that's obviously unrealistic

I don't expect any of these crazy expectations from a policeman.

What I do expect is for them to be fair in the various circumstances their job puts them through, and to stop acting like they're morally better than everyone else because of their job. Yes, your job is important, and yes, I appreciate what you do for the community when you're doing it right. Policemen and women want to get mad when people lose respect for them? Well, instead of making excuses for all the law enforcement individuals who give you a bad record, get rid of them.

Yes, everyone makes mistakes. But mistakes and abuse of power are two totally different things.

[thatcountrykid]

well that's obviously unrealistic

I don't expect any of these crazy expectations from a policeman.

What I do expect is for them to be fair in the various circumstances their job puts them through, and to stop acting like they're morally better than everyone else because of their job. Yes, your job is important, and yes, I appreciate what you do for the community when you're doing it right. Policemen and women want to get mad when people lose respect for them? Well, instead of making excuses for all the law enforcement individuals who give you a bad record, get rid of them.

Honestly ever officer I know never acts like they're better than anyone. They do the job and go home. I've asked a lot what they think of people giving them crap cause of ferguson and none of them cared.

I posted this because I see tons if people have unrealistic expectations most people have. I'm sick of people lack of respect and stereo typing of the majority and not getting mad at the fee like you said.

[Gamma Male]

I don't think expecting the police not to murder unarmed civillians is unrealistic.

[Harry Smith]

I expect that if I'm walking home from school I won't get stopped and told to empty out my pockets because I live in a city

[Stronk Serb]

I expect that if I'm walking home from school I won't get stopped and told to empty out my pockets because I live in a city

This spot on. I got stopped two times in the last 2 weeks.

[Harry Smith]

This spot on. I got stopped two times in the last 2 weeks.

worse thing is that I told that what they were doing is probably illegal, he just told me that it wasn't worth the hassle of me complaining to anyone

[Vlerchan]

I'm pretty sure that if they don't have a credible reason then it is illegal. It is in Ireland anyway.

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On topic: What Gamma Male and Blood said.

[Harry Smith]

I'm pretty sure that if they don't have a credible reason then it is illegal. It is in Ireland anyway.

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On topic: What Gamma Male and Blood said.

He said the reason was that they'd been reports of 'youth based crime in the area'', I'm in a city-of course there's going to be youth based crime. It's a good idea to make them give a reason but they just seem to come up with stuff on the spot.

That's not even my biggest objection to stop and search-the fact that anybody who isn't white is about 7 times more likely to be searched is my objection.

I agree with the OP about local policing though, along with the fact that they are having to deal with huge budget cuts and they are generally trying to do a good job, there just crap in this country at dealing with any sort of protest-like last year they used pepper spray on 20 people who were protesting about tax avoidance. Do you really need pepper spray to stop that?

But if you want to see the UK police at there finest, look how they're now able to kill with one swift blow

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[Stronk Serb]

worse thing is that I told that what they were doing is probably illegal, he just told me that it wasn't worth the hassle of me complaining to anyone

The second time they were groping me like I had a nuclear device up my ass. Just for wearing a fucking Dead Kennedys T-shirt. The first time I was listening to music and smoking, possesion of tobbaco and alcohol is legal for minors, but distrubution to minors vie retail stores isn't. They asked my why I have a blood stain on my back pack and I had to explain for five minutes that it's a chocolate stain.

[phuckphace]

reminder that cops didn't used to be that bad back in the day. it's a lot harder to harass people and be a dick when everyone in the community knows you and you know them (and who in turn generally didn't randomly loot, rob and murder each other at the drop of a hat). the kind of police a society has directly reflects the society that creates them, so it's not a surprise that cops nowadays are paranoid assholes.

[Vlerchan]

Bloody Christmas was the name given to the severe beating of seven men by officers from the Los Angeles Police Department on December 25, 1951. The attacks, which left five hispanic and two white young men with broken bones and ruptured organs, was only properly investigated after lobbying from the Mexican American community. The internal inquiry by Los Angeles Chief of Police William H. Parker resulted in eight police officers being indicted for the assaults, 54 being transferred, and 39 suspended.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloody_Christmas_(1951)

That's just a famous example.

[Korashk]

Let's see where this thread goes.

Honestly, I wouldn't hate the police as an institution as much as I do if they'd just stop protecting their own simply because of "the thin blue line". Until the good apples start throwing out the bad ones there aren't any good apples.

[CosmicNoodle]

well that's obviously unrealistic

I don't expect any of these crazy expectations from a policeman.

What I do expect is for them to be fair in the various circumstances their job puts them through, and to stop acting like they're morally better than everyone else because of their job. Yes, your job is important, and yes, I appreciate what you do for the community when you're doing it right. Policemen and women want to get mad when people lose respect for them? Well, instead of making excuses for all the law enforcement individuals who give you a bad record, get rid of them.

Yes, everyone makes mistakes. But mistakes and abuse of power are two totally different things.

Exactly this.

(One thing I hate is that they expect you to call them "sir" or "mam", I refuse to do that until they have earmt my respect by showing me they are actually fair and down the earth, not with there head inserted into there anus, until they so that I always address them by the name in the badge.)

[thatcountrykid]

Honestly, I wouldn't hate the police as an institution as much as I do if they'd just stop protecting their own simply because of "the thin blue line". Until the good apples start throwing out the bad ones there aren't any good apples.

Sin that is something that regular people just don't understand. I've grown up with cops and my dad explained to me why officers are there for each other. At any moment one of them could be shot or hurt or need help and they know that every officer from the county and all around will be coming to help. When they are out there it's just them.

Every officer will say that there are bad cops but they can't do anything about it.
There's no reason to disrespect the individual officers who can't do a thing about others. Get mad at the admin maybe. But not the cop on the street.

[Harry Smith]

Sin that is something that regular people just don't understand. I've grown up with cops and my dad explained to me why officers are there for each other. At any moment one of them could be shot or hurt or need help and they know that every officer from the county and all around will be coming to help. When they are out there it's just them.


And this is the reason corruption exists in the police force, there very likely to lie/cover up to protect each other

[thatcountrykid]

And this is the reason corruption exists in the police force, there very likely to lie/cover up to protect each other

I've never seen that happen. They call each other out because officers have no place for a weak link. Have you seen all the videos and cases where officers have stopped and called others out on the rare cases of brutality.

[Harry Smith]

I've never seen that happen. They call each other out because officers have no place for a weak link. Have you seen all the videos and cases where officers have stopped and called others out on the rare cases of brutality.

I'm not talking about stuff like that, that's on patrol.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Code_of_Silence

[thatcountrykid]

I'm not talking about stuff like that, that's on patrol.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Code_of_Silence

selective enforcement of the law are considered to be corrupt

That's where I stopped reading because if they consider that corrupt then every almost every cop in the world is because some petty laws are just a waste of time and they have to choose which to enforce.

That link was very pointless towards your argument.

[Vlerchan]

So, thatcountrykid, you don't believe that cops need to do their job if they arbitrarily decide that part of it is (being) 'petty'?

Does this mindset also extend to following rules and laws themselves?

[Harry Smith]

That's where I stopped reading because if they consider that corrupt then every almost every cop in the world is because some petty laws are just a waste of time and they have to choose which to enforce.

That link was very pointless towards your argument.

no it wasn't, it showed that the police have a tendency to not report their own failings.

It happens in most jobs, but it's a really serious issue in the police.

[thatcountrykid]

no it wasn't, it showed that the police have a tendency to not report their own failings.

It happens in most jobs, but it's a really serious issue in the police.

No it said it was an idea. A belief. There had been no large sale case of this. Yes there have been isolated cases where this has happened and I'll be te first to admit that but police are held to a higher standard in the departments both morally and ethically, and by law.

[Harry Smith]

police are held to a higher standard in the departments both morally and ethically, and by law.

No, not by the law. In this country there's many cases were police officers have been told to lie in court

[thatcountrykid]

No, not by the law. In this country there's many cases were police officers have been told to lie in court

In the uk? Do you have evidence?

Also I'm primarily talking about American law enforcement.

[Harry Smith]

In the uk? Do you have evidence?

Also I'm primarily talking about American law enforcement.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/oct/19/police-undercover-officers-court-perjury-claim

Tbh the thing that worries me about American police is the fact you need to either send in the Army or Federal Guard to actually get justice in high profile cases

[Southside]

I'll be satisfied with the police force when I can walk down the street and not be harassed just simply because I'm a minority.

Only "expectations" I have for officers are to arrested bad guys and not kill or harass innocent people.

[TheN3rdyOutcast]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it's that hard to enforce the law without killing innocents out of racial prejudice or what have you. Also, when police do these sort of things, no body wants to here this "on payed leave" shit, police officers that wrong the public should be stripped of their uniforms and fired, while also having a the mishap put on their permanent record at the least.

If you take the life of an innocent, there should be consequences.

[thatcountrykid]

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2011/oct/19/police-undercover-officers-court-perjury-claim

Tbh the thing that worries me about American police is the fact you need to either send in the Army or Federal Guard to actually get justice in high profile cases

In that situation I beleive that in order to preserve the identity of an undercover officer then yes that should be allowed as long as it is cleared by the courts or known by the courts.

What do you mean by justice and high profile cases?

I'll be satisfied with the police force when I can walk down the street and not be harassed just simply because I'm a minority.

Only "expectations" I have for officers are to arrested bad guys and not kill or harass innocent people.

Making it a race issue again are we?


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think it's that hard to enforce the law without killing innocents out of racial prejudice or what have you. Also, when police do these sort of things, no body wants to here this "on payed leave" shit, police officers that wrong the public should be stripped of their uniforms and fired, while also having a the mishap put on their permanent record at the least.

If you take the life of an innocent, there should be consequences.

They are put on paid leave pending an investigation. It happens with every on the job shooting. If it is wrongful then they will be convicted. Just because the citizens think it's wrong doesn't mean it was wrong by law.

Merged double post. ~Typhlosion

[TheN3rdyOutcast]

They are put on paid leave pending an investigation. It happens with every on the job shooting. If it is wrongful then they will be convicted. Just because the citizens think it's wrong doesn't mean it was wrong by law.

If I may ask, you seem to be awful intent on verbally protecting and justifying the police's actions, may I ask why?

[Harry Smith]

In that situation I beleive that in order to preserve the identity of an undercover officer then yes that should be allowed as long as it is cleared by the courts or known by the courts.

What do you mean by justice and high profile cases?

wow,that's not how a court works. Your not allowed to lie in court, even members of MI5 can't. Seems a bit hypocritical to value police officers and say how great they are and then piss on the court.

Birmingham 1963, Little Rock, Ole Miss. Look how the southern police handled the civil rights crisis

[thatcountrykid]

If I may ask, you seem to be awful intent on verbally protecting and justifying the police's actions, may I ask why?

I don't see how just explaining the legal process was justification but I'd say I'm very intent on respecting the police because they are the ones who will come running in when there is a shooter in a school. The ones who go and try to save people from killing themselves. Police save lives and the only reason people see the cases of "brutality" is because those case are rare and widespread.

wow,that's not how a court works. Your not allowed to lie in court, even members of MI5 can't. Seems a bit hypocritical to value police officers and say how great they are and then piss on the court.

Birmingham 1963, Little Rock, Ole Miss. Look how the southern police handled the civil rights crisis

I don't see how I pissed on the courts. I said as long as the courts know it should be legal to protect the identity of an undercover. In this case I know it wasn't and that's not right.

I can't say I've really looked at that crisis much and I'm really talking about 21 century. Police back then where very different and also that was not just police if I remember correctly.

[Harry Smith]

I can't say I've really looked at that crisis much and I'm really talking about 21 century. Police back then where very different and also that was not just police if I remember correctly.

The police refusing to uphold the Supreme court

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/01/06/utah_uprising_against_gay_marriage_planned_by_homophobes.html

[thatcountrykid]

The police refusing to uphold the Supreme court

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/01/06/utah_uprising_against_gay_marriage_planned_by_homophobes.html

Two things

Obviously biased news scource.

And like I said before that can't be compared to now because the police force is made up of a new generation.

[Harry Smith]

Two things

Obviously biased news scource.

And like I said before that can't be compared to now because the police force is made up of a new generation.

Yes it can-it's something that is happening now. The police in Utah can't be trusted to enforce Federal law

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2014/01/07/richard-mack-enemy-of-federal-power-now-attacking-same-sex-marriage/

I'm hardly going to find a fox article about gay marriage that doesn't have the words 'illegal, lynching, god' in it am I. Every single news source is biased, it's about the information in it and the information in that article was fine

The police are just the same now, they'll quite happily follow an unjust force into the ground

[thatcountrykid]

Yes it can-it's something that is happening now. The police in Utah can't be trusted to enforce Federal law

http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2014/01/07/richard-mack-enemy-of-federal-power-now-attacking-same-sex-marriage/

I'm hardly going to find a fox article about gay marriage that doesn't have the words 'illegal, lynching, god' in it am I. Every single news source is biased, it's about the information in it and the information in that article was fine

The police are just the same now, they'll quite happily follow an unjust force into the ground

While I do not agree with that sheriff and he should not be doing or saying what he is, it's not the job of police to do anymore as far as federal laws than to ensure basic rights which that man is not doing. I they are supposed to enforce federal laws then weed is still illegal under those so therefore weed is illegal in Colorado.

Police follow and enforce the law you may consider that unjust but that's what they do and have to do or else they will lose their jobs.

Police are taught a strong sense of ethics. That's why my dad was forced to attend a 10 hour ethics class the other day.

[Harry Smith]

While I do not agree with that sheriff and he should not be doing or saying what he is, it's not the job of police to do anymore as far as federal laws than to ensure basic rights which that man is not doing. I they are supposed to enforce federal laws then weed is still illegal under those so therefore weed is illegal in Colorado.

Police follow and enforce the law you may consider that unjust but that's what they do and have to do or else they will lose their jobs.

Police are taught a strong sense of ethics. That's why my dad was forced to attend a 10 hour ethics class the other day.

Weed is different because a SCOTUS ruling has overturned the colorda law.

The issue is that police officers refuse to follow the Supreme Court

[thatcountrykid]

Weed is different because a SCOTUS ruling has overturned the colorda law.

The issue is that police officers refuse to follow the Supreme Court

Can you provide a link to the over ruling? I can't find one.

Yes you've said that but the only "evidence" you've given is one statement by a sheriff and a case in the 50's that is not relevant as I'm talking about the 22 century law enforcement.

[Korashk]

Sin that is something that regular people just don't understand.
You're right. I don't understand why the brass and other officers would want to protect bad officers.

I've grown up with cops and my dad explained to me why officers are there for each other. At any moment one of them could be shot or hurt or need help and they know that every officer from the county and all around will be coming to help. When they are out there it's just them.
Officers who beat the crap out of compliant suspects and those in custody do not deserve the support of their peers.

Every officer will say that there are bad cops but they can't do anything about it.
Yes they can. They just don't because they know what will happen to them if they do.

[thatcountrykid]

You're right. I don't understand why the brass and other officers would want to protect bad officers.


Officers who beat the crap out of compliant suspects and those in custody no not deserve the support of their peers.


Yes they can. They just don't because they know what will happen to them if they do.

They don't protect bad officers.

They don't get the support of their peers.

They can't. That's up to admin. They can report them, and they do, but you act like one patrolman can fire another.

[Gamma Male]

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[Korashk]

They don't protect bad officers.

They don't get the support of their peers.

They can't. That's up to admin. They can report them, and they do, but you act like one patrolman can fire another.
They protect bad officers in the practice of by and large not reporting misconduct. If you deny this then you're just one example of the cognitive dissonance exhibited by the population for police forces. Because the fact is, if you report a fellow officer you're almost as likely to get fired as they are.

The administration are also police officers. You don't get to separate them from the rest because you think it makes your point nicer.

[thatcountrykid]

They protect bad officers in the practice of by and large not reporting misconduct. If you deny this then you're just one example of the cognitive dissonance exhibited by the population for police forces. Because the fact is, if you report a fellow officer you're almost as likely to get fired as they are.

The administration are also police officers. You don't get to separate them from the rest because you think it makes your point nicer.

That's not a fact. That just your misinformed belief.

I'm not separating them. And mom at police yes but when I say police office I mean patrolman. And yes often times police officers and admin officers are very much separated.

[thatcountrykid]

UWH578nAasM

That guy is hilarious. Father of the year right there.

[Harry Smith]

Can you provide a link to the over ruling? I can't find one.

Yes you've said that but the only "evidence" you've given is one statement by a sheriff and a case in the 50's that is not relevant as I'm talking about the 22 century law enforcement.

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20140607/news/140608714/

tbh this seems like a problem with Utah

[thatcountrykid]

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20140607/news/140608714/

tbh this seems like a problem with Utah

Now don't go blaming a whole community or job force for it.

That officer wasn't ignoring federal laws or anything. He was refusing for personal beliefs which I that case where it was assigne it was wrong. If it wasn't a requirement and was just extra duty then he shouldn't be ridiculed.

[Harry Smith]

Now don't go blaming a whole community or job force for it.

That officer wasn't ignoring federal laws or anything. He was refusing for personal beliefs which I that case where it was assigne it was wrong. If it wasn't a requirement and was just extra duty then he shouldn't be ridiculed.

Utah has a massive gay problem, it's got to the stage where police officers and citizens are talking about succeeding over gay marriage-I'm sure there's the 20% of democrat voters who don't want that but otherwise the state clearly has some issue.

I know he wasn't, he was just refusing to ''protect and serve'' on account of his homophobic beliefs

[thatcountrykid]

Utah has a massive gay problem, it's got to the stage where police officers and citizens are talking about succeeding over gay marriage-I'm sure there's the 20% of democrat voters who don't want that but otherwise the state clearly has some issue.

I know he wasn't, he was just refusing to ''protect and serve'' on account of his homophobic beliefs

Funny. I've never heard of this talks and I live a hour drive from Utah.

I agree it was wrong of him considering it was required but if it wasn't then it wouldn't be a problem

[Harry Smith]

Funny. I've never heard of this talks and I live a hour drive from Utah.

it's been pretty well documented in the media

[thatcountrykid]

it's been pretty well documented in the media

Can you show that cause I've never seen it.

[Harry Smith]

Can you show that cause I've never seen it.

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/57802521-82/utah-marriage-sex-state.html.csp

http://www.ontopmag.com/article.aspx?id=17425&MediaType=1&Category=26

[thatcountrykid]

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/opinion/57802521-82/utah-marriage-sex-state.html.csp

http://www.ontopmag.com/article.aspx?id=17425&MediaType=1&Category=26

I didn't see anywhere in those articles that mentioned succession.

[Harry Smith]

I didn't see anywhere in those articles that mentioned succession.

so an armed uprising against the Federal government along is what then? This is getting off topic

The point I'm trying to make is that police in America do not have a good history dealing with social issues

[thatcountrykid]

so an armed uprising against the Federal government along is what then? This is getting off topic

The point I'm trying to make is that police in America do not have a good history dealing with social issues

Well with a few isolated incidents spread throught time cannot be held against them all.

There's been a lot of issues with Britain through time but we don't hold it against you do we?

[Korashk]

Well with a few isolated incidents spread throught time cannot be held against them all.
"A few", that's a laugh. If I had enough time I could provide you with thousands of police abuses only within the last few years.

[Harry Smith]

There's been a lot of issues with Britain through time but we don't hold it against you do we?

Why is the response to me criticizing America someone telling me the the UK is shit. I know the UK is shit, but that doesn't make US any better does it.

British police, much like American police have a terrible history dealing with protests, as I mentioned before but you brushed it off and said you only want to talk about US policing

[thatcountrykid]

"A few", that's a laugh. If I had enough time I could provide you with thousands of police abuses only within the last few years.

As long as it where cases when officers where convicted and was on duty when it happened then it was abuse yes. When I said that I was not referring to small brutality cases


Why is the response to me criticizing America someone telling me the the UK is shit. I know the UK is shit, but that doesn't make US any better does it.

British police, much like American police have a terrible history dealing with protests, as I mentioned before but you brushed it off and said you only want to talk about US policing

I wasn't saying the uk is shit. I never said America was better. That's just you putting words in my mouth. I was saying you can't judge a whole group by acts made by individuals.

[Harry Smith]

I wasn't saying the uk is shit. I never said America was better. That's just you putting words in my mouth. I was saying you can't judge a whole group by acts made by individuals.

I know you didn't, I'm just stating that the UK doesn't have much going for it at the moment.

Your implication was that you ignore the past because it's bad and hope that the future is better.

As I've always said, the police need to reassess the way they deal with protests as they tend to panic and blindly charge

[Gamma Male]

That guy is hilarious. Father of the year right there.

I don't see what's so hilarious about a man who wasn't doing anything wrong whatsoever getting arrested and tasered by the police in front of his children. Yes, he refused to provide ID. But the supreme court has ruled that citizens have a right to refuse to show ID so long as there isn't any evidence that they've done something illegal. And yes, he refused to stop. But he shouldn't have to stop for those fascist pigs so long as he isn't doing anything wrong . The job of the police is to protect and serve the community, it's not the other way around. The fact that their jobs are dangerous or stressful or that they provide a service to society doesn't mean they can do whatever they want without repercussions.

And I know most cops aren't bad. But most of them do protect bad cops. There are literally thousands of cops out there who should be in jail for abuse of power who're free because other cops don't testify and they're buddies with the judges. Personally, I'm sick of innocent people being harassed and even murdered by these obnoxious alpha male morons who think they're big men because they hide behind their badge and gun.



Most of them don't even do shit for society anyway. Ruining the lives of nonviolent people who choose to use drugs, arresting prostitutes because of what they choose to do with their own bodies, and handing out traffic citations. I realize they don't make the laws, but they shouldn't even be upholding them when they're obviously unjust. The only moral thing any police officer could do in right now is quit his or her job.

[thatcountrykid]

I don't see what's so hilarious about a man who wasn't doing anything wrong whatsoever getting arrested and tasered by the police in front of his children. Yes, he refused to provide ID. But the supreme court has ruled that citizens have a right to refuse to show ID so long as there isn't any evidence that they've done something illegal. And yes, he refused to stop. But he shouldn't have to stop for those fascist pigs so long as he isn't doing anything wrong . The job of the police is to protect and serve the community, it's not the other way around. The fact that their jobs are dangerous or stressful or that they provide a service to society doesn't mean they can do whatever they want without repercussions.

And I know most cops aren't bad. But most of them do protect bad cops. There are literally thousands of cops out there who should be in jail for abuse of power who're free because other cops don't testify and they're buddies with the judges. Personally, I'm sick of innocent people being harassed and even murdered by these obnoxious alpha male morons who think they're big men because they hide behind their badge and gun.



Most of them don't even do shit for society anyway. Ruining the lives of nonviolent people who choose to use drugs, arresting prostitutes because of what they choose to do with their own bodies, and handing out traffic citations. I realize they don't make the laws, but they shouldn't even be upholding them when they're obviously unjust. The only moral thing any police officer could do in right now is quit his or her job.

you be careful what your calling cops there buddy cause that's my family your talking about.

I hope to god that one day someone tries to kill you or hurt you and you need the police. You know why cops arrest drug a users and prostitutes. Beleive it or not prostitutes get killed and become victims a lot. They don't just lock them up. They give them help so they can change their lives. Arresting druggies can save their life.

Yes there are bad cops and yes some do cover them up. Yes there are some asshole liberals but that doesn't mean I hate them all and you shouldn't be hating cops. You hate stereotypes I'm assuming so why do you stereotype others.

We don't know what that man did after the camera went black. He could have fought and you wouldn't know. He could be screaming all he wants about how it's "cause he's black" and he didn't do anything wrong. If he wasn't doing anything wrong then just give his Id and stop and talk. He'd be done in 15-20 minutes tops. If it was a simple disturbance or unwanted person they'd just say " hey man don't come back for awhile."

[Harry Smith]

I hope to god that one day someone tries to kill you or hurt you

Well that's interesting

you be careful what your calling cops there buddy cause that's my family your talking about.

If you start a thread about the police on a forum with a majority of left leaning teenagers you're not likely to get a great response to the police force. He's not talking about your family, he's talking about the police force. Just because you've got a family member in the police force it doesn't shield you from the debate, in the same way that my dad being a teacher doesn't mean that I'm unable to handle people criticizing teachers

Yes there are bad cops and yes some do cover them up. Yes there are some asshole liberals

Compares a cop tasering a father to liberals...

If he wasn't doing anything wrong then just give his Id and stop and talk.

Irrelevant, the constitution says you only have to provide ID if there's reason to believe you've committed a crime. It's simply unconstitutional for the police to demand that without evidence/suspicion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiibel_v._Sixth_Judicial_District_Court_of_Nevada

held that statutes requiring suspects to disclose their names during police investigations did not violate the Fourth Amendment if the statute first required reasonable and articulable suspicion of criminal involvement

[Vlerchan]

Police misconduct seems to happen every second day, somewhere.

[Aug 29th]

Two former East Point police officers violated the department’s policies when they repeatedly activated their Tasers to shock a handcuffed 24-year-old man, who died in a creek, according to a lawsuit filed Thursday.

http://www.ajc.com/news/news/attorney-east-point-police-used-tasers-as-cattle-p/ng9Rh/

[26th Aug]

A woman who called 911 during an argument with her boyfriend has sued police officers, claiming they bloodied her face by slamming her into a wall and an elevator door and then arrested her without cause.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_26411411/federal-civil-rights-lawsuit-filed-against-denver-cops?source=rss

[Aug 26th]

Video catches Kentucky State Trooper harassing motorist. US Court of Appeals rules cop can be sued for false arrest.

Videotape proved essential for Freddie Gregory, a motorist falsely accused of traffic violations by a high-ranking Kentucky State Police trooper. The US Court of Appeals on Friday allowed Gregory to pursue false arrest charges against Lieutenant Phillip Burnett.

Since February 2009, Lieutenant Burnett had stopped Gregory on three occasions under what the motorist considered to be bogus circumstances. The 53-year-old decided to install a video camera to document the harassment. The device was ready on April 4, 2009, when Gregory decided to take his granddaughter to lunch in his pickup truck. As he was leaving his driveway, Gregory spotted Lieutenant Burnett about twenty yards away.

http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/44/4497.asp

[Aug 25th]

On Feb. 16 two Bastrop County Sheriff's deputies responded to a call at Yvette Smith's boyfriend's house. The caller said the boyfriend and his son were fighting over a gun. Investigators say when deputies arrived, Smith came to the door where deputy Daniel Willis shot her in the lower abdomen and hip. Initially, officials said Smith came to the doorway with a firearm and disregarded Willis' command. They later retracted that statement. Smith was unarmed when Willis shot her.

http://www.kvue.com/story/news/local/2014/08/25/family-sues-bastrop-county-and-sheriff-for-5-million-in-wrongful-death-case/14586613/

[Aug 21st]

EL PASO, Texas – Victims and witnesses of a northeast El Paso collision involving an El Paso Police Department cruiser claim the officer caused the crash, and that police fabricated statements in the accident report to blame an innocent woman.

http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/features/top-stories/stories/crash-victims-witnesses-accuse-eppd-fabricating-police-report-regarding-officerinvolved-collision-6140.shtml#.VAV9efldVS3

[Aug 20th]

A federal civil rights lawsuit has been filed against the Rotterdam Police Department by the parents of an emotionally disturbed boy whose arm was broken when two police officers tried to force him off a school bus last October.

http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Rotterdam-teen-with-arm-broken-by-police-files-5698408.php#media-109945

[Aug 20th]

NEW BRITAIN — A Southington man has filed a lawsuit against the city and a former New Britain police officer, claiming the officer’s cruiser collided with his car, causing damages to his head, shoulders and hand.

http://m.newbritainherald.com/articles/2014/08/20/news/doc53f4057d765b5569318566.txt

[Aug 20th]

Two University of Louisville graduate students who worked in a Metro Police summer residential program for at-risk youths say officers mentally and physically abused some participants.

http://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/local/2014/08/20/police-program-abused-children-suit-alleges/14357879/

[Aug 19th]

There are new developments in the lawsuit against an Oklahoma Highway Patrol trooper accused of rape.

The attorney has added to the suit a second woman, who says OHP Trooper Eric Roberts also sexually assaulted her. The lawsuit says Roberts pulled over her car on July 8 where the Turner and Creek Turnpikes meet and made inappropriate sexual comments to her.

http://www.newson6.com/story/26320601/second-woman-added-to-rape-lawsuit-against-ohp-trooper

Here's a visual representation of how many reports there actually are a year:

http://www.policemisconduct.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Figure-12.png?25f61e

And here's why there's not so many news stories:

A whopping 99 percent of all complaints regarding police brutality are left uninvestigated in central New Jersey, according to a Courier News and Home News Tribune report published this week.

Between 2008 and 2012, citizens "filed hundreds of complaints alleging brutality, bias and civil rights violations by officers in more than seven dozen police departments in Central Jersey," the report reads. However, it adds that only 1 percent of these complaints -- seven percentage points below the national average of 8 percent -- were "upheld by the internal units tasked with investigating complaints against their colleagues."

In the majority of cases, the police agencies reportedly "either 'exonerated' the officers, dismissed the complaints as frivolous, determined that they did not have sufficient evidence or simply never closed the investigation."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/07/police-brutality-new-jersey-report_n_4555166.html

I also do understand that policemen do get false reports by people trying to get their own back, but I can't see this percentage of cases being lies.

[Bleid]

It would be a great deal easier to punish and reform the cases of abused power in the police force if the civilian aggression towards it was a bit calmer.

The way it is now, it reminds me of a very similar mentality I saw in my peers while I was in middle school (inner city, specifically). We of course had numerous security officers that would patrol the halls and watch the doors while we all went through metal detectors in the mornings. The kids weren't exactly good students and would constantly be pranking teachers, causing ruckus and disrespecting faculty and other students. So, of course, the security were always having to deal with all of this.

To combat the regular use of security, students would act like the security officers were murdering them at the very slightest use of force (grabbing their hands to keep them from running off down the hall spraying the fire extinguisher, for example). Then the kids would be screaming about lawsuits against the school all the way to the office.

This relates to the larger society in that, with how the police force is treated even in mild situations, it can very easily be blown out of proportion. This in turn builds a negative stigma towards the police force and creates a barrier of humanity between the civilian population and the police.

This makes a problem, because now even the slightest cases of force are acceptably treated by society as abuse cases by the public (not necessarily by the administration). To combat the public stigma, the administration has to take into consideration that a number of the abuse accusations can very well be complete fabrications, and so the actual abuse cases may not get as much attention as they deserve to.

Overall, my point is - society also needs to step up to the plate and take a rational standpoint and realize that not every (not even the majority) of police officers are there to harass you in your daily lives. Once that's done, the everyday police-related situation won't be taken so dramatically and we'll be able to focus on the real, substantial cases of abuse rather than trying to turn every single case of police involvement into a theatrical production, and the actual problem officers will get sorted out of the system.

Of course, elements within the administration such as friendships, laziness, corruption and biases can prevent some serious abuse from seeing justice, but given the fact that the majority of us are not within that administration, we can do our own part by being reasonable ourselves. The societal treatment of police is a seldom noted element that needs to be considered.

[Korashk]

As long as it where cases when officers where convicted and was on duty when it happened then it was abuse yes.
Abuse is abuse regardless of the officer's punishment. Officers are good at justifying their abuses so not to get officially reprimanded. Like the recent NYPD case where they killed a man with a chokehold or the similar case where officers were caught on tape murdering Kelley Thomas and didn't even get convicted. I think they got fired though, which is nice.

When I said that I was not referring to small brutality cases.
It doesn't matter what you were referring to. "Small brutality cases" are abuses of police power.

If you want people to be able to have rational discussions with you, then you need to be clear about what the fuck you're talking about instead of arguing with your interpretation of your words when they clearly mean something else to everyone responding to you.

[thatcountrykid]

It would be a great deal easier to punish and reform the cases of abused power in the police force if the civilian aggression towards it was a bit calmer.

The way it is now, it reminds me of a very similar mentality I saw in my peers while I was in middle school (inner city, specifically). We of course had numerous security officers that would patrol the halls and watch the doors while we all went through metal detectors in the mornings. The kids weren't exactly good students and would constantly be pranking teachers, causing ruckus and disrespecting faculty and other students. So, of course, the security were always having to deal with all of this.

To combat the regular use of security, students would act like the security officers were murdering them at the very slightest use of force (grabbing their hands to keep them from running off down the hall spraying the fire extinguisher, for example). Then the kids would be screaming about lawsuits against the school all the way to the office.

This relates to the larger society in that, with how the police force is treated even in mild situations, it can very easily be blown out of proportion. This in turn builds a negative stigma towards the police force and creates a barrier of humanity between the civilian population and the police.

This makes a problem, because now even the slightest cases of force are acceptably treated by society as abuse cases by the public (not necessarily by the administration). To combat the public stigma, the administration has to take into consideration that a number of the abuse accusations can very well be complete fabrications, and so the actual abuse cases may not get as much attention as they deserve to.

Overall, my point is - society also needs to step up to the plate and take a rational standpoint and realize that not every (not even the majority) of police officers are there to harass you in your daily lives. Once that's done, the everyday police-related situation won't be taken so dramatically and we'll be able to focus on the real, substantial cases of abuse rather than trying to turn every single case of police involvement into a theatrical production, and the actual problem officers will get sorted out of the system.

Of course, elements within the administration such as friendships, laziness, corruption and biases can prevent some serious abuse from seeing justice, but given the fact that the majority of us are not within that administration, we can do our own part by being reasonable ourselves. The societal treatment of police is a seldom noted element that needs to be considered.

This. This exactly. Yes there are bad cops. Yes there is corruption in the admin. But It goes both way. What many people freak over and call a police date is simply a law.

[thatcountrykid]

Here's an explanation and situational example of officer use of force.

http://www.policeone.com/Officer-Safety/articles/7526699-How-cops-can-help-citizens-better-understand-police-use-of-force/

[Korashk]

Here's an explanation and situational example of officer use of force.

http://www.policeone.com/Officer-Safety/articles/7526699-How-cops-can-help-citizens-better-understand-police-use-of-force/
From your article:

There are three things the public needs to know about contacts with police.

1. Be courteous
2. Be cooperative
3. Be compliant
First issue here is that often police will "require" citizens to be cooperative and compliant in situations where they are under no legal obligation to be so. Hundreds of traffic stop videos are examples of this. If a black or Hispanic person is randomly stopped by the police on the street then the Supreme Court says that they have no obligation to even acknowledge that the police officer is there. Which leads to the next point. Plus randomly stopping someone isn't a great way to make them act courteous towards you.

It is important for you to convey to the public that police officers pursue criminality, not color.
Justice department statistics prove this to be demonstrably false. The incarceration rates of different races compared to crime rate statistics and the NYPD's stop and frisk program are two great examples that all but prove that if you're brown and in America you should watch your back around police.

An officer may have to use deadly force on an unarmed man who is larger, stronger, and/or attempting to disarm the officer, for example. In the case of a suspect, who is battering an officer to the point that he or she may suffer death or great bodily harm, the use of deadly force is defensible.
Well no fucking shit. The problem is that these situations are not often the case, which is the cause of public outcry.

You see if a suspect is fleeing and their escape presents an imminent threat of death or great bodily harm to the community at large, the use of deadly force can be justified. On some occasions a round might enter through the back, because of the dynamics of the circumstance.
Also no fucking shit. Again not the kinds of situations that people decry.

From 2003 to 2012, 535 officers were killed in the line of duty in this country. Another 580,000 were injured in the line of duty.
And if you look at stastics, this doesnt even place being a police officer in the top 10 most dangerous jobs in America and from 2003 - 2009 there were 4,813 arrest-related deaths in America (http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/ard0309st.pdf). The FBI estimates (http://usatoday30.usatoday.com/news/nation/2008-10-14-justifiable_N.htm) that there are around 400 incideces of arrest-related deaths per year, which puts the death toll at around 6,000. You have more to fear from police then they have to fear from you.

If every person contacted by officers were to remain courteous, cooperative, and compliant, there would never be a need to employ force.
Oh yeah, this is great advice. Sounds like a quote right out of 1984. Gotta put your trust in Big Brother.