This vid describes the Israel palestin conflict pretty well.

[thatcountrykid]

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[-]I'm know it's on Ifunny but [/-]It's a good video. Embedded the video :) ~Typhlosion

[Living For Love]

Thanks a lot for this. The worst blind is the one who doesn’t want to see.

[Harry Smith]

The video lies after about 40 seconds, and it's dumbed down to a stupid length-the video looks like it's made to try and make the republican remember who really controls them-the Military industrial complex

Plus this

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What did the Israelis (ones who returned from Germany joined irgun etc)' do when they were trapped in the Warsaw Ghetto? What did the Israelis' do to British soldiers in 1948? They bombed the shit out them. Israel can't criticize Hamas for using violence when the Israeli state was born out of blood of British Troops. I don't support Hamas or there tactics but I can understand why they feel that they've got no choice-see below about Israeli crimes in the region

I'm not saying that Israelis' had no right to do that in 1948 but it has to cut both ways. Do you support Israels' use of terror in the 1940s?




Almost all international law shows that Israel have committed war crimes but you don't care about international law. Ignoring the physical question about Hamas you can't punish a population for the actions of one group. When Britain was getting bombed by the IRA in the 1970's we didn't launch air attacks on Belfast, lockdown the city and cut off resources like Water and medicine (we weren't perfect though), when Cuba faced terrorist attacks on it's airlines, fields, factories and ports they didn't invade Guantanamo bay. Despite what G.W Bush says you don't respond to terrorism by blowing up entire cities.

60 years ago we called the Israeli's terrorists for killing British troops in Palenstine-now our leaders welcome them
40 years ago we called Nelson Mandela a terrorist for launching attacks against South Africa-we all mourned him greatly when he died
30 years ago we called the IRA a bunch of republican terrorists who should be destroyed-now they're part of a Stable unified Northern Ireland

There seems to be a pattern of embracing people we've seen as terrorists, and seeing the regimes they fought against (British Empire. Nazi Germany, Apartheid South Africa) as regimes that had needed to be stopped

I would be more sympathetic to your argument if this was the first time it's happened but it's not. So far Israel have
-Cut of key supplies such as Water which are a human right
-Detained children in Military Style jails without a lawyer present
-Imprisoned elected members of parliament without charge for up to 12 months
-In Both 1956 and 1967 launched a war of aggression which is deemed a war crime by the Nuremberg Trial
-Demolished houses of people who had extremely weak links to Hamas, directly breaking international law
-Building something that is no different to the Berlin Wall-Neocons love to wank over that as being the evil socialist barrier but when Israel does it who cares
-Build on occupied land which is also a war crime

One thing the UN is good at is documentating war crimes, they know there legal cases and they often present a fair case (their problem is implementing punishment) look what they said




How would you feel if Cuba said to Florida-you've been launching terrorist attacks since 1960 against the sovereign state of Cuba we're going to bomb you-would anybody support Cuba bombing Florida?

Israel treatment of Palestinian civilians is no different to Nazi treatment of Jews and others in the Warsaw Ghetto (luckily Israel haven't reached the final solution stage yet).

Israel foreign policy is built upon the blood and to quote the evil Russians ' You can build a throne with bayonets, but you can't sit on it for long.''

To end on a quote look what the leader of the Free world said this week '' there's no country on Earth that would tolerate missiles raining down on its citizens from outside its borders'' Obama is a massive hypocrite considering he's bombed about 6 countries in the last 6 years of office. The US quite rightly celebrated a couple of weeks ago the fact that they overthrew a tyrannical government that massacred civilians, denied political rights and used a military to crush dissident.

TL;DR: Israel are on a dangerous path towards international isolationism, I'd be happy to expand on how peace can be brought to the region ensuring both a Jewish and Palestinian state. I expect to be thoroughly attacked for this post

[TheBigUnit]

Thr OPs videos is incredibly one sided and dumbed down, also Prager is Jewish btw if the video wasnt biased enough, Harry Smith you really can't wholeheartedly support the Palestinians without giving a solution to the problem

[Harry Smith]

, Harry Smith you really can't wholeheartedly support the Palestinians without giving a solution to the problem

The solution is clear-Israel need to stop the blockade of Gaza, they need to allow building materials in, along with aid workers, doctors supplies etc so that the people in the city can actually survive.It's getting to a point where the people of Gaza are either going to have to die from disease and illness or die fighting the Israelis. The problem is that radicalization is happening to the point that people feel that Hamas is the best solution for them.

The Neocon Israeli solution is to simply bomb Palestine and hope nobody notices

[thatcountrykid]

The solution is clear-Israel need to stop the blockade of Gaza, they need to allow building materials in, along with aid workers, doctors supplies etc so that the people in the city can actually survive.It's getting to a point where the people of Gaza are either going to have to die from disease and illness or die fighting the Israelis. The problem is that radicalization is happening to the point that people feel that Hamas is the best solution for them.

The Neocon Israeli solution is to simply bomb Palestine and hope nobody notices

If you watched the news you would see that both agreed to a cease fire and Israel opened up a border crossing for humanitarian aid.

[Harry Smith]

If you watched the news you would see that both agreed to a cease fire and Israel opened up a border crossing for humanitarian aid.

I do watch the news... and I won't actually believe Israel until further action is taken. In 2005 they said that they would open up the border to allow aid in but guess what-that didn't happen. Why would you believe what the Israeli Government has said when they've been cheating the international community since 1948. The ceasefire says that Israel are going to let building materials in but they haven't said which ones-in fact all the early reports show that no building materials have been let in.

The crossing's director, Mounir al-Ghalban, said he was expecting more trucks carrying stocks to line the shelves of Gaza's shops, but there was no sign of the material needed for reconstruction.

The least you can do after killing 1000 plus civilians is to let them actually live in peace, not subject them to Draconian rules and regulations.Allowing humanitarian aid is only the first step, the 2005 border access and management treaty still gives Israel complete control of who leaves and who enters Gaza.

I know you're not a big fan of the UN but have a look at this http://rt.com/news/gaza-israel-un-report-695/

There's still about 12 main issues on the Israel conflict that you've actually failed to address, and I'm still waiting for you to criticize Israel-this is the problem with hawks-I'm sure Israel could nuke Palestine and you'd still say 'at least they killed the terrorists'' yet if Iran even try and enrich a tiny bit of uranium you're calling them crazy Muslim fundamentalists.

The video states that Israel are a nation of peace-would you also give that title to the United States?

[thatcountrykid]

I do watch the news... and I won't actually believe Israel until further action is taken. In 2005 they said that they would open up the border to allow aid in but guess what-that didn't happen. Why would you believe what the Israeli Government has said when they've been cheating the international community since 1948. The ceasefire says that Israel are going to let building materials in but they haven't said which ones-in fact all the early reports show that no building materials have been let in.



The least you can do after killing 1000 plus civilians is to let them actually live in peace, not subject them to Draconian rules and regulations.Allowing humanitarian aid is only the first step, the 2005 border access and management treaty still gives Israel complete control of who leaves and who enters Gaza.

I know you're not a big fan of the UN but have a look at this http://rt.com/news/gaza-israel-un-report-695/

There's still about 12 main issues on the Israel conflict that you've actually failed to address, and I'm still waiting for you to criticize Israel-this is the problem with hawks-I'm sure Israel could nuke Palestine and you'd still say 'at least they killed the terrorists'' yet if Iran even try and enrich a tiny bit of uranium you're calling them crazy Muslim fundamentalists.

The video states that Israel are a nation of peace-would you also give that title to the United States?

My positions on countries on their actions are not based on the countries primary religion so bringing up that Iran is Muslim is useless.

I would consider Israel and the is nations of peace just like I would consider the uk even though the uk has been in many conflicts as well. Israel agreed to and abided by every cease fire until they where fired at.

Yes Israel did kill civilians. But so has gaza. It is known that Israel called civilians in the area of where any rocket would land. Civilians do die in war and yes it is unfortunate and yes Israel should re unburden the families and yes Israel should allow materials in but do I sympathize for the Hamas militants and the civilians loyal to them. No.

[Harry Smith]

I would consider Israel and the is nations of peace just like I would consider the uk even though the uk has been in many conflicts as well.

If you consider Israel a nation of peace then I'm starting to question your entire rationale

If they are a nation of peace why did they blow up the King David Hotel in 1946? Why did they attack Egypt in 1956? (it was for a dam, that's it-they attacked Egypt to get control of resources. This is a nation that blows up schools ran by the UN, arrests Palestine children and has broken nearly every single international law. Heck they're even building the Berlin wall-that's beyond ironic

If you consider the US a nation of peace, I'll simply ask you this-why did the US attack Iraq in 2003? Why did they threaten Saddam Hussein with nuclear weapons in 1990? Why did they also train Saddam Hussein in using chemical weapons? Why did they invade Grenada in 1983? Why did they invade Panama in 1985? Why did they remove the democratic PM of Iran in 1951 only to replace him with a king? Why did they pump south Vietnam full of chemicals?

To claim that the US is a nation of peace is really a rather weak argument, every US president since Roosevelt has committed troops abroad apart from Carter and Ford who both supported Indonesian war crimes in the late 1970's. The United States, nor the UK is a nation of peace-as I said above think back 10 years to Iraq? Sure I understand how people could support it, but I don't understand how you could argue that the US is a nation of peace when they're currently playing the role of the British Empire in the 21st Century

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing

Israel agreed to and abided by every cease fire until they where fired at.

Incorrect, http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/israelgaza-conflict-israel-breaks-ceasefire-in-minutes-as-eightyearold-girl-killed-in-air-strike-9645558.html

The problem with cease fires is that everyone breaks them, and then each side accuses the other of breaking it first, I'm sure Hamas have broken them just as I'm sure Israel have broken them

It is known that Israel called civilians in the area of where any rocket would land

Where are they suppose to go? They can't afford shelters.

Oh yeah they go to the UN ran schools, because that's a safe option. Wait Israel bombs them as well...

You can't justify murder by saying at least we warned you.

If Cuba did that to the citizens of Florida how would you feel?

Civilians do die in war and yes it is unfortunate

This rather generic response would make sense if Israel didn't bomb UN ran schools, the place where children and civilians are most likely to be during a bombing raid. You always seem to respond to the fact that civilians will die in war but it's a rather hypocritical response considering the fact that you support Israel striking out against terrorists.

TLDR: Israel can kill civilans:that's war, Hamas can't kill civilans:that's terrorism

[phuckphace]

yes lmfao why don't we ask a Jewish neocon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dennis_Prager) for a balanced and informative take on the Israel/Palestine conflict, seems legit!

Prager has condemned some criticism of Israel. In 2011, Prager called Israel's apartheid analogy "a libel".

NOT RACIST IF WE DO IT :lol3: 0/5 would not hide this guy in my attic.

also if you're going to have Apartheid at least do it right. at least South Africans had medical care and schools provided by their oppressors, whereas Israel doesn't give a fuck and just bombs them. dick move + them getting caught lying about it over and over and making an international effort to suppress criticism of Israel and they still wonder why nearly everybody hates them.

source: Nationalism and Policy: an Essential Primer (phuckphace, 2014)

[Lovelife090994]

I do watch the news... and I won't actually believe Israel until further action is taken. In 2005 they said that they would open up the border to allow aid in but guess what-that didn't happen. Why would you believe what the Israeli Government has said when they've been cheating the international community since 1948. The ceasefire says that Israel are going to let building materials in but they haven't said which ones-in fact all the early reports show that no building materials have been let in.



The least you can do after killing 1000 plus civilians is to let them actually live in peace, not subject them to Draconian rules and regulations.Allowing humanitarian aid is only the first step, the 2005 border access and management treaty still gives Israel complete control of who leaves and who enters Gaza.

I know you're not a big fan of the UN but have a look at this http://rt.com/news/gaza-israel-un-report-695/

There's still about 12 main issues on the Israel conflict that you've actually failed to address, and I'm still waiting for you to criticize Israel-this is the problem with hawks-I'm sure Israel could nuke Palestine and you'd still say 'at least they killed the terrorists'' yet if Iran even try and enrich a tiny bit of uranium you're calling them crazy Muslim fundamentalists.

The video states that Israel are a nation of peace-would you also give that title to the United States?

Do you realize that Gaza has broken ceasefire twice? Armistice isn't working. Plus Israel has a right, a duty, and a need to defend itself.

[Harry Smith]

Do you realize that Gaza has broken ceasefire twice? Armistice isn't working.

Sigh, did you read what I said about the ceasefire?

The problem with cease fires is that everyone breaks them, and then each side accuses the other of breaking it first, I'm sure Hamas have broken them just as I'm sure Israel have broken them

Would you have accepted a ceasefire after 9/11?

Plus Israel has a right, a duty, and a need to defend itself.

Every nation in the world has that, including Palestine. What they don't have is the right to commit war crimes

[thatcountrykid]

Every nation in the world has that, including Palestine. What they don't have is the right to commit war crimes

The same goes for the Palestinians.

[Stronk Serb]

The same goes for the Palestinians.

Correction: Hamas. But Israel fucked the situation more. The Palestinians don't join Hamas because of their fundamentalist ideology, they join them to fight Israel.

[thatcountrykid]

Correction: Hamas. But Israel fucked the situation more. The Palestinians don't join Hamas because of their fundamentalist ideology, they join them to fight Israel.

Then the Palestinian people are just as guilty and deserve to be punished.

[Vlerchan]

Then the Palestinian people are just as guilty and deserve to be punished.
The said bit is you probably believe this.

Please do explain how the Palestinian poeople as a whole are "guilty" and "deserve to be punished". I would prefer if specific reference to the 450+ dead children was made.

[Harry Smith]

Then the Palestinian people are just as guilty and deserve to be punished.

That's a war crime mate.

It's ironic how Israel supporters are sounding more and more like Nazis

The same goes for the Palestinians.

It's funny, me, Vlerchan and Mike have all critized Hamas for the rocket attacks.

You've yet to criticize Israel at all, in any shape

[Stronk Serb]

Then the Palestinian people are just as guilty and deserve to be punished.

What 1% does doesn't mean that the rest should be punished. Now your're like Hitler for fuck's sake. For every German soldier killed by the Serbian resistance they killed 100 civilians, no matter the age and sex, 50 for wounded. That's what Israel is doing to Palestine.

[Harry Smith]

What 1% does doesn't mean that the rest should be punished. Now your're like Hitler for fuck's sake. For every German soldier killed by the Serbian resistance they killed 100 civilians, no matter the age and sex, 50 for wounded. That's what Israel is doing to Palestine.

Almost as bad as the new berlin wall

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/TheBerlinWall20YearsLaterIsraelWall.png/1280px-TheBerlinWall20YearsLaterIsraelWall.png

[Stronk Serb]

Almost as bad as the new berlin wall

image (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/ed/TheBerlinWall20YearsLaterIsraelWall.png/1280px-TheBerlinWall20YearsLaterIsraelWall.png)

I have a better name for it, Warsaw Ghetto 2.0

[Harry Smith]

I have a better name for it, Warsaw Ghetto 2.0

that's the ultimate irony.

Israel was build on terror, they tried to kill my grandfather about 10 times when he was stationed there after WW2

[Stronk Serb]

that's the ultimate irony.

Israel was build on terror, they tried to kill my grandfather about 10 times when he was stationed there after WW2

Zionist and Nazi ideology are quite smilar. Except on who is the master race.

[Lovelife090994]

Sigh, did you read what I said about the ceasefire?



Would you have accepted a ceasefire after 9/11?



Every nation in the world has that, including Palestine. What they don't have is the right to commit war crimes

Israel is a nation and you recently denied Israel right to defend itself. Palestine is against Israel and wants it destroyed as does the rest of the Muslim world. Israel stands as a free place and haven for the Jews, if Israel stands down they will be ran over.

that's the ultimate irony.

Israel was build on terror, they tried to kill my grandfather about 10 times when he was stationed there after WW2

You do realize the Holocaust happened in WW2 and killed Jews right? Israel was founded to be a safe place for Jews so another Holocaust wouldn't happen.

[Harry Smith]

Israel stands as a free place and haven for the Jews, if Israel stands down they will be ran over.

Then why do some many jews oppose Israel and it's policies? (Not deny it's existence)

Have you read the quote in my signature?

[Lovelife090994]

Then why do some many jews oppose Israel and it's policies? (Not deny it's existence)

Have you read the quote in my signature?


A Jew doesn't have to like the government. Israel is there as a country. You seem to want it off the map.

Yes I have. And someone needs to put a stop to the fighting. Hundreds are dying every week. It must stop.

[Harry Smith]

Yes I have. And someone needs to put a stop to the fighting. Hundreds are dying every week. It must stop.

Why do Jews oppose Israel and it's wars?

[TheBigUnit]

The bottom line is the extremism of Palestine needs to end, regardless of who is "the good guy" Israel pulls the innocent card quite well because of the many rockets raining down daily,

[Lovelife090994]

Why do Jews oppose Israel and it's wars?

Who do you oppose Israel? The Jews are being targeted all over Israel and in the Middle East.

[Harry Smith]

Who do you oppose Israel? The Jews are being targeted all over Israel and in the Middle East.

You're not understanding my point. Not every Jewish person supports Israel

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[Lovelife090994]

You're not understanding my point. Not every Jewish person supports Israel

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That doesn't mean Israel shouldn't exist.

[Harry Smith]

That doesn't mean Israel shouldn't exist.

I know it doesn't. I've never once said that Israel shouldn't exist. I'm telling you that not every Jew supports the war in Gaza

[Lovelife090994]

I know it doesn't. I've never once said that Israel shouldn't exist. I'm telling you that not every Jew supports the war in Gaza

Israel still deserves to defend itself. Gazan even dug tunnels at the border to infiltrate.

[Harry Smith]

Israel still deserves to defend itself. Gazan even dug tunnels at the border to infiltrate.

Does Israel deserve to bomb UN schools?

[Lovelife090994]

Does Israel deserve to bomb UN schools?

Does Britain deserve a navy? All the terror they've caused in history is worth centuries of sanctions. And the UN is powerless! I don't justify violence. Try again.

[Harry Smith]

Does Britain deserve a navy? All the terror they've caused in history is worth centuries of sanctions. And the UN is powerless! I don't justify violence. Try again.

You didn't answer the questions, does Israel have a right to bomb schools?

Does Britain deserve a navy? All the terror they've caused in history is worth centuries of sanctions.

That's got fuck all to do with Israel, start another thread if you want

[Lovelife090994]

You didn't answer the questions, does Israel have a right to bomb schools?



That's got fuck all to do with Israel, start another thread if you want

I answered you twice Har.

[Harry Smith]

I answered you twice Har.

you didn't,you just started talking about the UK and the UN

[Lovelife090994]

you didn't,you just started talking about the UK and the UN

You mentioned the UN, and I don't approve of violence. I support Israe's right to defend itself.

[Harry Smith]

You mentioned the UN, and I don't approve of violence. I support Israe's right to defend itself.

But this isn't about the right to defend itself, it's the fact that Israel are being excessive in doing so

[Lovelife090994]

But this isn't about the right to defend itself, it's the fact that Israel are being excessive in doing so

And yet you have no problem with Hamas doing the same.

[Harry Smith]

And yet you have no problem with Hamas doing the same.

I do, I've stated on this and other threads that Hamas should stop firing rockets.

You still haven't answered about Israel

[Lovelife090994]

I do, I've stated on this and other threads that Hamas should stop firing rockets.

You still haven't answered about Israel

I answered thrice by giving my thoughts on the matter, my dear. And good, you don't approve of either side firing. Although an eye for an eye does seem to fit the situation well, although that is human nature in it's rawest form.

[Cpt_Cutter]

You're not understanding my point. Not every Jewish person supports Israel.

To play devils advocate, who cares? I can show you a thousand Americans who don't support the US government, that doesn't say anything about the nation or the majority of it's people.

[Harry Smith]

I answered thrice by giving my thoughts on the matter, my dear. .

You haven't answered about Israel, you've just answered with stuff human nature and made hypocritical comments

I don't justify violence

I support Israel's right to defend itself.

Do you condemn the attacks by the Israeli Government?

I'm not talking about Hamas, or Muslims I'm talking about the fact that you can't seem to answer any questions on Israel

Although an eye for an eye does seem to fit the situation well, although that is human nature in it's rawest form

No it doesn't. Do you think the Palenstines are going to embrace Israel after the latest round of rocket attacks?

I still don't understand where you get any of your research from on the issue, since you've claimed several times that the whole Muslim world wants to destroy Israel

And good, you don't approve of either side firing.

So I'm bad for supporting Hamas and I'm bad for not supporting Hamas

To play devils advocate, who cares? I can show you a thousand Americans who don't support the US government, that doesn't say anything about the nation or the majority of it's people.

It wasn't an issue of public support, lovelife was playing the Jewish card saying that Israel is doing the duty of Jews etc saying that Israel is defending the Jews.