Should the US invade parts of Africa to stop the violence?

[Gamma Male]

Everyday pirates, militias, corrupt governments, pillagers and rapists are killing people all across Africa. The Congo, Somalia, all of those other ones.... What do you think? Is it about time the US rode in there and started killing people in order to stop people from being killed?

[CosmicNoodle]

Short answer: No, the US is not the worlds nanny, it should stop getting ninvolved in things it has no buisness in.

[NeuroTiger]

Short answer: No, the US is not the worlds nanny, it should stop getting ninvolved in things it has no buisness in.

Exactly...US has enough problems within its country like unemployment.

[TheN3rdyOutcast]

Maybe we should simply back out of all of our military engagements, we've got problems here, that don't get solved, because we're all so focused on the military.

[CosmicNoodle]

Exactly...US has enough problems within its country like unemployment.

The American government seems to have some sort of image of itself as the worlds peacekeeper and protector, when in fact the government is a bunch od trigger happy morons full of self importance who think the best answer in life is to blow people up whilst shoutung "FUCK YE, 'MURICA!"

[tovaris]

WTF is wrong with you...?!!!
You would invade independant countries yust because you feel like it? Tell me do you by any chance have a bulet in your brain!!

[Gamma Male]

WTF is wrong with you...?!!!
You would invade independant countries yust because you feel like it? Tell me do you by any chance have a bulet in your brain!!

I don't support invading Africa. I'm just curious what neocons who support the war in Iraq have to say on the subject.

[tovaris]

I don't support invading Africa. I'm just curious what neocons who support the war in Iraq have to say on the subject.

At lest something...
Invading other countries is a crime, and should be treted as such

[Left Now]

A simple logical answer."NO"

[Gigablue]

No, that would be making a bad situation worse. I the US and the rest of the developed world ever decide to give a fuck (which will never happen), they could give African nations money for development, and help form equitable trade relations with them, instead of ignoring them while multinational corporations exploit their natural resources. Development, not war, is the only thing that will help the people living in these nations.

[Babs]

The US already invades too many places already. We don't need to invade more places.

[Snydergate]

I think the USA is too nosy for our own good. We need to let the world deal with their issues unless something serious happens, like WWIII

[phuckphace]

sure, if we can get our neocolonialism on :D all those natural resources might as well get put to good use.

[Harry Smith]

lol it's ironic how everyone plays up the violence in Iraq and Israel (something I'm guilty of) yet nobody seems to care about Africa once the cold war ended. We need a progressive policy on Africa which includes helping to deal with the impacts of Climate Change, a focus on justice which would probably put about 15 Presidents in the hague and a cancellation of large parts of debt they owe us.

That's the biggest problem, some countries manage to sell resources and profit yet they're having to spend 40% of that paying off debt we forced upon them in the 1970's

[britishboy]

No they have no obligation to fix the worlds problems.

[Mastretta]

The US needs to chill and stop trying to save everyone. Dubai isn't doing and look at them.

[PinkFloyd]

In short, my answer is no.

The United States should not be the "World Police." We're already in debt, so going into Africa would be a shitty idea financially speaking. That's just money though. If you forget about the money, you still have a bunch of American troops in a large, spread out area. With guns. And innocent people. Another thing: I'm not exactly sure what it's like in Africa right now, but unless a repeat of the Rwandan Genocide takes place, then Africa is no place for American troops.

[Dennis98]

No , that is not problem of USA because some crazy fanatics are killing each other , because it could cause them to unite in some kind of terrorist group , just like case with Taliban in Afghanistan , so Obama's government is doing really good ... By the way , conflict in Somalia has been ignited by USA invasion in Somalia in 1992 , so we can discuss about this many hours , but there is one problem - money ... Another war for weakened economy of USA would be fatal..

[Mushin]

Is it about time the US rode in there and started killing people in order to stop people from being killed?

Yeah, exactly! Let's kill people, to stop people from getting killed. Brilliant!

No, the United States should mind their own business (something the country has been unable to accomplish since its development). The problems concerning African countries are problems that have been persistent throughout the majority of Africa's history. Having the United States swoop in and drop some bombs is not going to cure these problems.

What does Africa need? Money. Africa needs money so that the nations within the continent can accomplish the basics of development: stable sources of food/water, shelter, economic growth, and a government. If the United States is going to do anything involving Africa, it is something that every other developed nation in the world could - and most definitely should - be doing. That something is funding African nations.

[Gamma Male]

Yeah, exactly! Let's kill people, to stop people from getting killed. Brilliant!

No, the United States should mind their own business (something the country has been unable to accomplish since its development). The problems concerning African countries are problems that have been persistent throughout the majority of Africa's history. Having the United States swoop in and drop some bombs is not going to cure these problems.

What does Africa need? Money. Africa needs money so that the nations within the continent can accomplish the basics of development: stable sources of food/water, shelter, economic growth, and a government. If the United States is going to do anything involving Africa, it is something that every other developed nation in the world could - and most definitely should - be doing. That something is funding African nations.

I hope everyone realizes that I don't actually think we should invade Africa. I made this post to point out the hypocrisy of people who support invading the middle east to stop the violence but don't care about anyone dieing in Africa. I was hoping to start some sort of discussion between the differences between Africa and the middle east. Maybe I should've been more clear.

[jessie3]

Well I'd be lying if I said they shouldn't but do we really need to give money to some of Africa's richest leaders? Lot's of African leaders use the money for there own expensives and not the starving, thirsty sick people in there country. The united states should get involved with some, but not all of Africa's problems, they should go out and help defend Iraq from terrorist groups like ISIS and besides it's not just America who is doing all of the fighting, the British royal military is also involved as well as other nations.
Yeah America might have some issues of its own like the unstable job market ( which is getting better and better, slowly ) or the legislation not doing and passing enough laws but when you see other people dying because other people are killing them, are you going to just stand there and do nothing besides watch as helpless people die? No, you are going to help stop them.

[Vlerchan]

It might be notable for our resident Hawks that Boko Haram has gone and declared its caliphate. It's probably in conjunction with ISIL's efforts.

A northeast Nigerian town seized earlier this month by Boko Haram militants has been placed under an Islamic caliphate.

“Thanks be to Allah, who gave victory to our brethren in (the town of) Gwoza and made it part of the Islamic caliphate,” Abubakar Shekau says in a 52-minute video obtained by the Agence France-Presse. “By the grace of Allah, we will not leave the town. We have come to stay.”

In the video, Mr. Shekau lauds the leader of the Islamic State, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who in late June declared himself “the caliph” and “leader of Muslims everywhere,” AFP reported.

It was not clear, however, if Mr. Shekau was declaring himself to be a part of Mr. Baghdadi’s caliphate or if he was referring to a separate caliphate in Nigeria.

In addition to Gwoza, Boko Haram is believed to be in control of large swathes of territory in Borno state and at least one town in neighboring Yobe state, AFP reported.

Experts said Boko Haram is closer than ever to achieving its goal of forming an Islamic state across northern Nigeria.

The Islamic State, formerly the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, declared a caliphate in June after capturing vast swathes of land in northern Iraq and eastern Syria.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/24/boko-haram-leader-declares-caliphate-nigeria/

Nigeria is an oil producing state.

[Perfectly Flawed]

The only countries that currently pose a great enough threat to even consider an invasion would be ISIS controlled Raqqa and North Korea.

As far as North Korea is concerned it's best to just leave that situation where it's currently at. It's smarter to try to defuse the situation than go in guns blazing and cause a nuclear war.

Raqqa is a whole other story that would take way to long to type out here, but invading it would also be very high risk with low success chances and high civilian casualties.

[Gamma Male]

Raqqa is a whole other story that would take way to long to type out here, but invading it would also be very high risk with low success chances and high civilian casualties.

Sounds familiar.

[Perfectly Flawed]

Sounds familiar.

Tell me about it.

[Gamma Male]

Tell me about it.

Just y'know, that whole Iraq war thing. Low chances of success, lots of civilian causalities, it all describes the Iraq war well.

[thatcountrykid]

It might be notable for our resident Hawks that Boko Haram has gone and declared its caliphate. It's probably in conjunction with ISIL's efforts.

A northeast Nigerian town seized earlier this month by Boko Haram militants has been placed under an Islamic caliphate.

“Thanks be to Allah, who gave victory to our brethren in (the town of) Gwoza and made it part of the Islamic caliphate,” Abubakar Shekau says in a 52-minute video obtained by the Agence France-Presse. “By the grace of Allah, we will not leave the town. We have come to stay.”

In the video, Mr. Shekau lauds the leader of the Islamic State, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, who in late June declared himself “the caliph” and “leader of Muslims everywhere,” AFP reported.

It was not clear, however, if Mr. Shekau was declaring himself to be a part of Mr. Baghdadi’s caliphate or if he was referring to a separate caliphate in Nigeria.

In addition to Gwoza, Boko Haram is believed to be in control of large swathes of territory in Borno state and at least one town in neighboring Yobe state, AFP reported.

Experts said Boko Haram is closer than ever to achieving its goal of forming an Islamic state across northern Nigeria.

The Islamic State, formerly the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, declared a caliphate in June after capturing vast swathes of land in northern Iraq and eastern Syria.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/24/boko-haram-leader-declares-caliphate-nigeria/

Nigeria is an oil producing state.

So is the mention of oil sop posed to make us conservatives scream for war in Africa? Cause really I can't give two shits about Africa. They are already too corrupt.

[Harry Smith]

So is the mention of oil sop posed to make us conservatives scream for war in Africa? Cause really I can't give two shits about Africa. They are already too corrupt.

Didn't stop you in Iraq

[thatcountrykid]

Didn't stop you in Iraq

I'm not too sure what you mean.

[Gamma Male]

I'm not too sure what you mean.

He means he doesn't understand why you would support a war in Iraq to save the oppressed civillians, but 70 people in The Congo get chopped to pieces with machetes and we shouldn't invade because they're "too corrupt".

[thatcountrykid]

He means he doesn't understand why you would support a war in Iraq to save the oppressed civillians, but 70 people in The Congo get chopped to pieces with machetes and we shouldn't invade because they're "too corrupt".

Africa ha been that way forever but itaw is attempting to change. Plus what is more important. 70 already dead or a fee thousand being driven together and massacred in what will soon turn into a religiously motivated genocide.

[Perfectly Flawed]

Just y'know, that whole Iraq war thing. Low chances of success, lots of civilian causalities, it all describes the Iraq war well.

I didn't mean that literally :P

[Harry Smith]

Africa ha been that way forever but itaw is attempting to change. Plus what is more important. 70 already dead or a fee thousand being driven together and massacred in what will soon turn into a religiously motivated genocide.

Lol you're wrong to claim that it's some what more violent in Africa than other areas of the world. In fact several times you've made pretty brash statements about Africa that aren't really backed up by any form of evidence

Iraq has hardly been a peaceful nation for the last 100 years, it's been invaded twice by the British, killed its entire royal family, had a pretty shit dictator for 40 years and in the last 10 has experienced sectarian warfare between different factions. Iraq isn't attempting to change, it's no different to South Vietnam in the early 60's.

It's extremely hypocritical to say that Africa is to unstable to intervene in when you've supported going into Iraq which has made it by default unstable

There's been religious, and tribal motivated genocide in Africa for the last 10 years in the Congo, did you know about that?

[Broken Toy]

i think that is shoudlnt be just the us, or just the uk, but when it isnt just the uk or us, they should at least get recognition. i think when you look at iraq, its seems like the us and uk went in to stop, but there was actually more than 10 maybe even 15 countries there and they didnt get any reports on it, making it seem like its always just the us.

anyway, on the point of africa. maybe the us should peacekeep (not invade and take over) countries since no one wants to. if they've got the conscious and guts, they should. the only reason people dont want them to is because its not their country. when the government of these countries is corrupt the civilians cant get help because theyve got nowhere to turn. basically, because a while ago someone put the lines on a map and said these are different countries, no one thinks its their business.

its the same when you look at newspapers, people see themselves as superior, like there was a plane crash and the newspaper reported it as "5 brits dead in plane crash" then further down mentioned that 80 had died. everyone should help everyone and stop this self importance

[PythonProject]

Some African countries didn't do too bad when they were ruled over by the British and French.

[Vlerchan]

Some African countries didn't do too bad when they were ruled over by the British and French.
Or before their indigenous governing systems were dismantled, their infant industries undermined, and had their resources exploited by the British* and French.

* I'm well aware Britain did not dismantle Africa's indigenous governing systems to the same extent.

[Harry Smith]

Some African countries didn't do too bad when they were ruled over by the British and French.

Actually they did, the British/French took the majority of the resources and wealth from the area and used it build more warships and develop trade for the British. The African people did not see the benefit of colonialism. Look what happened in WW1-he made what 400,00 Africans fight and die solely so that we could keep control of our empire.

The Africans didn't benefit from occupation, and neither did the countries. Considering we invented the concentration camp in South Africa I'd hardly argue that the countries didn't do too badly

[trustn01]

Whatever America gets involved in, it always becomes either Libya, or Iraq.

[jayjay's toocool]

we should assist to neutralize