Should dog and cat abuse be illegal?

[Gamma Male]

I'm curious as to what percentage of you support laws making dog and cat abuse illegal and how you feel about people who eat dogs and cats.

[Stronk Serb]

Make it illegal, like serious injuries. When my cat causes some shit, I used to just lightly hit it in the back leg so that she knows it's not allowed, but now I lock her in the bathroom for the night/few hour during the day. I do it when she's caught in the act so she knows what she did was bad. It comes to that less and less. If she's on the counter or the table, I just push her off, if she's scratching the furniture, she gets hissed at which annoys her and if she continues, the bathroom awaits. She is relatively timid so if she scratches me, it's because I did somethimg wrong. No, I don't think eating cats and dogs should be legal. You wouldn't wind up a profit by selling cat or dog meat. They're to small to be eaten by humans. A dog should not be seriously punished since dogs have a different mindset. They are loya, so treat, no treat works on them.

[Gamma Male]

Make it illegal, like serious injuries. When my cat causes some shit, I used to just lightly hit it in the back leg so that she knows it's not allowed, but now I lock her in the bathroom for the night/few hour during the day. I do it when she's caught in the act so she knows what she did was bad. It comes to that less and less. If she's on the counter or the table, I just push her off, if she's scratching the furniture, she gets hissed at which annoys her and if she continues, the bathroom awaits. She is relatively timid so if she scratches me, it's because I did somethimg wrong. No, I don't think eating cats and dogs should be legal. You wouldn't wind up a profit by selling cat or dog meat. They're to small to be eaten by humans. A dog should not be seriously punished since dogs have a different mindset. They are loya, so treat, no treat works on them.

Why do you think eating them should be illegal?

[Vlerchan]

I don't believe that cruelty against pets should be legal.

I do believe that certain entities should be awarded licences gifting them the right to humanely kill the cat or the dog for consumption - if the government finds that there's reasonable level of national-based demand.

[everlong]

I don't really understand abusing animals just for fun, but if you kill them for a purpose, like for food, should be legal.

[Gamma Male]

I do believe that certain entities should be awarded licences gifting them the right to humanely kill the cat or the dog for consumption - if the government finds that there's reasonable level of national-based demand.

Why do you believe this licensing system should apply to cats and dogs but not cows and pigs? And why does there need to be a national demand, why shouldn't somebody be able to kill their dogs and cats for personal consumption?

[Vlerchan]

Why do you believe this licensing system should apply to cats and dogs but not cows and pigs?
I'd also argue that it should happen in regards to cattle and pigs too.

I know this is the case with at least cattle in Ireland already.

And why does there need to be a national demand why shouldn't somebody be able to kill their dogs and cats for personal consumption?
I noted in my last post that I would prefer if the killing was done 'humanely' and it's easier to ensure that when you know who is doing the killing.

[Gamma Male]

I'd also argue that it should happen in regards to cattle and pigs too.

I know this is the case with at least cattle in Ireland already.


I noted in my last post that I would prefer if the killing was done 'humanely' and it's easier to ensure that when you know who is doing the killing.

So in other words you believe laws regarding the use of cows and pigs and laws regarding the use of dogs and cats should be more or less the same?

[Vlerchan]

So in other words you believe laws regarding the use of cows and pigs and laws regarding the use of dogs and cats should be more or less the same?
Yes.

Though I realise with smaller animals that regulation is going to be redundant in a lot of cases. If someone wants to strangle their cat and eat it there's very few real barriers existent against that happening - the same way that if my grandad strangles a turkey (cooks it) and eats it as Christmas dinner there's no credible barrier existing to stop him from doing that.

[Gamma Male]

Yes.

Though I realise with smaller animals that regulation is going to be redundant in a lot of cases. If someone wants to strangle their cat and eat it there's very few real barriers existent against that happening - the same way that if my grandad strangles a turkey (cooks it) and eats it as Christmas dinner there's no credible barrier existing to stop him from doing that.

Then I'm assuming this means you would also support animal welfare regulations for cows and pigs an chickens in factory farms. Are you aware that if all the animals we eat were raised humanely(Given ample space, not having their beaks cut off or being castrated, not being force fed, etc) the price of animal related products would go up drastically to the point were very few people could afford them? If you support the same animal welfare regulations for cattle, pigs, and chickens that you do for dogs and cats, then extraordinarily increased prices are a natural consequence. Do you still support them?

And if this discourages you from supporting welfare regulations for cows and chickens, you'll either have to discontinue your support of regulations for dogs and cats too, or explain why you think cows and pigs and chickens should be treated differently than dogs and cats. Unless of course you think it's possible to raise animals humanely and still keep prices low enough to bring in a profit, which it isn't.



tl:dr If the same animal welfare laws that are applied to dogs and cats were applied to livestock, the meat and dairy industries would drastically reduce in size and animal products would become a high price delicacy which few people could afford to buy. It's basically impossible to support welfare regulations for cows and chickens and pigs and still support them being eaten and sold on a large scale.

[TheN3rdyOutcast]

Why? Why would anyone want to eat a domesticated loving animal that only wants to be loved? I love my dogs like sons. If killing and consumption of animals becomes legal, let's make killing and consumption of humans legal too. All we are is walking bags of meat like everything else, why should be be spared from our own insatiable greed for wealth, conquest and domination. I'd rather eat human meat than dog or cat meat.

[Gamma Male]

Why? Why would anyone want to eat a domesticated loving animal that only wants to be loved? I love my dogs like sons. If killing and consumption of animals becomes legal, let's make killing and consumption of humans legal too. All we are is walking bags of meat like everything else, why should be be spared from our own insatiable greed for wealth, conquest and domination. I'd rather eat human meat than dog or cat meat.

What about pigs and cows?

[TheN3rdyOutcast]

What about pigs and cows?

Like I said, walking bags of meat.

[Gamma Male]

Like I said, walking bags of meat.

I don't understand. Are you saying it should be illegal to eat cows and pigs too?

[TheN3rdyOutcast]

I don't understand. Are you saying it should be illegal to eat cows and pigs too?

Perhaps not, maybe everything should be fair game as long as it's done humanely.

[Gamma Male]

Perhaps not, maybe everything should be fair game as long as it's done humanely.

Even dogs and cats?

[Vlerchan]

Then I'm assuming this means you would also support animal welfare regulations for cows and pigs an chickens in factory farms. Are you aware that if all the animals we eat were raised humanely(Given ample space, not having their beaks cut off or being castrated, not being force fed, etc) the price of animal related products would go up drastically to the point were very few people could afford them?
In Europe we manage to have high standards of animal welfare and reasonable prices [Eg] (http://www.tesco.ie/groceries/Product/Details/?id=250809180).

Here's all (http://ec.europa.eu/food/animal/welfare/references_en.htm) our legislation in case you are interested.

[TheN3rdyOutcast]

Even dogs and cats?

Dogs, Cats, Humans, Sheep, Goats, Deer, Fish, Bears, Cows, Pigs... if it isn't on the endangered species list, it's included in everything.

[Gamma Male]

Dogs, Cats, Humans, Sheep, Goats, Deer, Fish, Bears, Cows, Pigs... if it isn't on the endangered species list, it's included in everything.

Did you just say you think cannibalism should be legal?

[TheN3rdyOutcast]

Did you just say you think cannibalism should be legal?

If we' re going to eat animals , why not ourselves?

Also, at this point I think you're simply attempting to run a metaphorical circle around me, by picking apart my statement piece by now piece.

[Gamma Male]

If we' re going to eat animals , why not ourselves?

Also, at this point I think you're simply attempting to run a metaphorical circle around me, by picking apart my statement piece by now piece.

You said you think it should be illegal to eat dogs and cats, than I asked you if you felt the same way about cows and pigs and you changed your mind and said you think it should be legal to eat any animal including humans. Frankly, I'm confused.

[TheN3rdyOutcast]

You said you think it should be illegal to eat dogs and cats, than I asked you if you felt the same way about cows and pigs and you changed your mind and said you think it should be legal to eat any animal including humans. Frankly, I'm confused.

Me too, I'm going to bed.

[Gamma Male]

In Europe we manage to have high standards of animal welfare and reasonable prices [Eg] (http://www.tesco.ie/groceries/Product/Details/?id=250809180).

Here's all (http://ec.europa.eu/food/animal/welfare/references_en.htm) our legislation in case you are interested.

The regulations I had in mind were a bit(a lot) more stringent than the one's currently in effect in the EU. But if that level of regulation is all you want for dogs, cats, cow, etc then I guess we're done.

[thatcountrykid]

The consumption and abuse of horse dog and cats should be illegal. The abuse of cows and pigs and goat should be illegal while all consumption is legal.

[Gamma Male]

The consumption and abuse of horse dog and cats should be illegal. The abuse of cows and pigs and goat should be illegal while all consumption is legal.

Why do you think the consumption of dogs, horses and cats should be illegal?

[thatcountrykid]

Why do you think the consumption of dogs, horses and cats should be illegal?

Over centuries that is not what they have been bread for. Horses are working pleasure animals. Dogs are the same. And cats honestly it makes no sense to eat them because there is really no meat there. Cows and pigs and such are simply live stock but I still don't think they should be abused.

[Gamma Male]

Over centuries that is not what they have been bread for. Horses are working pleasure animals. Dogs are the same. And cats honestly it makes no sense to eat them because there is really no meat there. Cows and pigs and such are simply live stock but I still don't think they should be abused.

So you think it should be illegal to eat them because that isn't traditionally what they've been bred for? That doesn't make any sense. That isn't reason enough to make something illegal.

[thatcountrykid]

So you think it should be illegal to eat them because that isn't traditionally what they've been bred for? That doesn't make any sense. That isn't reason enough to make something illegal.

It is reason enough. That is not their use at least in this country.

So your telling me you could walk up to a dog and watch it be killed and eaten.

[Typhlosion]

I'm just going to dip in and say I see no problem in dog/cat consumption relative to consumption of other meats. I am, of course, against poor treatment of animals, but not to the point of not killing them.

[Vlerchan]

The regulations I had in mind were a bit(a lot) more stringent than the one's currently in effect in the EU. But if that level of regulation is all you want for dogs, cats, cow, etc then I guess we're done.
Feel free to outline the regulations that you believe are necessary.

[Dalcourt]

The abuse as well as killing of dogs and cats should be illegal in my opinion, as should be the abuse of animals in general. Animals suffer from pain and fear as humans do, so why should it be legal to abuse them anyway? Animals aren't things so it shouldn't be alowwed treat them as such.

Outlawing the eating of animals in general would not be possible in my opinion, cows , pigs or chicken for example are considered food by most people and making laws against eating meat wouldn't really work.

You would need a long term process of educating people about alternatives to meat, provide it at reasonable prices etc.

What would be important is to provide strict laws about how animals in food production are treated. Giving them enough space, not abusing them, feed them proper food not that shit they now get sometimes and so on...this and strict controls should increase meat prices and so maybe at least some people will start to by alternatives and eat less meat which could be the first step to decrease meat production.

[phuckphace]

factory farms should adhere to the same cruelty laws that apply to house pets.

[Gamma Male]

Feel free to outline the regulations that you believe are necessary.

I'm not an animal welfarist. I'm an abolitionist. When I said I had a different set of regulations in mind I meant I assumed you wanted more than the current EU regulations because you said farm animals should be treated the same as dogs, and in America dogs have more legal protection than farm animals in the EU. But if you're content with the current EU regulations and believe they should be applied to dogs and other domesticated animals as well as traditional farm animals I see no reason to continue arguing with you.

My main purpose for making this thread was to point out the hypocrisy of people who support laws against killing dogs and cats but not cows and chickens.

The abuse as well as killing of dogs and cats should be illegal in my opinion, as should be the abuse of animals in general. Animals suffer from pain and fear as humans do, so why should it be legal to abuse them anyway? Animals aren't things so it shouldn't be alowwed treat them as such.

Outlawing the eating of animals in general would not be possible in my opinion, cows , pigs or chicken for example are considered food by most people and making laws against eating meat wouldn't really work.

You would need a long term process of educating people about alternatives to meat, provide it at reasonable prices etc.

What would be important is to provide strict laws about how animals in food production are treated. Giving them enough space, not abusing them, feed them proper food not that shit they now get sometimes and so on...this and strict controls should increase meat prices and so maybe at least some people will start to by alternatives and eat less meat which could be the first step to decrease meat production.

I don't think eating animals should be illegal. Yet. I think before that's at all plausible we need to educate more people about veganism and try to increase the number of people who're vegan. Only when we have a vegan majority can outlawing the eating of animals become an option.

But more to the point of this thread, would you support outlawing the eating of animals in theory, practical complications aside? If not, why do you support outlawing the eating of dogs and cats? What differentiates them from cows or chickens?

factory farms should adhere to the same cruelty laws that apply to house pets.

I'm curious as to what your opinion on eating house pets is though.

Be careful in not double posting. ~Typhlosion

[Remora]

I don't wanna get eaten~ ;-;

[phuckphace]

if somebody wants to cook and eat Fido I don't see why not. kinda weird but...*shrugs*

[Lovelife090994]

Animal abuse period shouldn't be legal. But consumption of animals shouldn't be illegal. It depends. if the dog and or cat is registered as a person's pet, don't kill it. My dog Angel is like my daughter, I love that little dog even if she always barks at me when she doesn't get at least 80% of my affection. I think dogs and cats are to be loved, sad so many are strays. But I'd rather hear of a stray being humanely put down for food for the poor versus hearing about a bunch of teens suffocating a person's lost pet to death then eating it raw. I think it is very conditional, the whole thing.

[nikkissippi121]

Abuse on anything living should be illegal. As for killing and eating them... while I'd never personally eat a dog or cat, and I don't believe in hunting for sport, only for survival, I think people sometimes need to kill animals to survive, particularly during famines and the like, so I wouldn't make it illegal.