US General assassinated in Afghanistan [Archive]

Gamma Male

August 6th, 2014, 12:06 AM

what the fuck!

You have got to be fucking kidding!

Kinda. The terrorists and the US military are both the bad guys in this conflict, so I'm mostly just apathetic when either one suffers losses. At least to their leadership. It's sad to see foot soldiers on either side die because they've just been brainwashed, but the U.S generals and Taliban leaders know full damn well what they're doing.

LouBerry

August 6th, 2014, 12:08 AM

It's awful. What a world we live in.

thatcountrykid

August 6th, 2014, 12:10 AM

Kinda. The terrorists and the US military are both the bad guys in this conflict, so I'm mostly just apathetic when either one suffers losses. At least to their leadership. It's sad to see foot soldiers on either side die because they've just been brainwashed, but the U.S generals and Taliban leaders know full damn well what they're doing.

That way of thinking is fucked up man. soldiers arent "brainwashed." i dont see how my three best friend who left for bootcamp are brainwashed. an American general is dead and you are celebrating?! What do you think his family is doing huh?

Gamma Male

August 6th, 2014, 12:13 AM

That way of thinking is fucked up man. soldiers arent "brainwashed." i dont see how my three best friend who left for bootcamp are brainwashed. an American general is dead and you are celebrating?! What do you think his family is doing huh?

The same exact thing could be said for the terrorists whose deaths people like you celebrate.

Besides, I was joking. I don't really celebrate US causalities, but I don't gawk over them like they're the worst thing ever. We're the bad guys too.

thatcountrykid

August 6th, 2014, 12:15 AM

The same exact thing could be said for the terrorists whose deaths people like you celebrate.

What do you mean like me?

i dont celebrate death in war. war is shit. i know the people we kill have families. i dont feel bad for those we kill but i dont celebrate it. thats fucking crazy and just plain heartless. i feel bad for their families. at least have some fucking respect.

The same exact thing could be said for the terrorists whose deaths people like you celebrate.

Besides, I was joking. I don't really celebrate US causalities, but I don't gawk over them like they're the worst thing ever. We're the bad guys too.

that was a pretty fucked up joke. these are your countrymen. im not sure we are the bad guys. yeah weve fucked up but it wasnt always intentional. we dont teach kids how to shoot soldiers.

Please do not double post. ~Typhlosion.

Southside

August 6th, 2014, 01:09 AM

What do you mean like me?

i dont celebrate death in war. war is shit. i know the people we kill have families. i dont feel bad for those we kill but i dont celebrate it. thats fucking crazy and just plain heartless. i feel bad for their families. at least have some fucking respect.

How do you feel about those Pakistani villagers and goat herders being blown to pieces by our drones?

Gamma Male

August 6th, 2014, 01:09 AM

that was a pretty fucked up joke.
Yeah, I've always enjoyed dark comedy.
these are your countrymen.
Irrelevant. Deaths are deaths, regardless of whether those people who're dying happened to have been born in the same country as me.
im not sure we are the bad guys. yeah weve fucked up but it wasnt always intentional. we dont teach kids how to shoot soldiers.

Like I said, I don't think most soldiers are "bad guys". I just think they're brainwashed. Can't blame em for that. But the same exact thing can be said for terrorists. We both do horrible things and cause way more pain and suffering that we end, and we both think we're the good guys. I've seen Americans genuinely jump for joy when they hear about dead terrorists, and you probably don't condemn them. So don't condemn me for sarcastically saying I celebrate the deaths of US generals.

thatcountrykid

August 6th, 2014, 01:14 AM

How do you feel about those Pakistani villagers and goat herders being blown to pieces by our drones?

i think its shit. im not happy about it.

Yeah, I've always enjoyed dark comedy.

Irrelevant. Deaths are deaths, regardless of whether those people who're dying happened to have been born in the same country as me.

Like I said, I don't think most soldiers are "bad guys". I just think they're brainwashed. Can't blame em for that. But the same exact thing can be said for terrorists. We both do horrible things and cause way more pain and suffering that we end, and we both think we're the good guys. I've seen Americans genuinely jump for joy when they hear about dead terrorists, and you probably don't condemn them. So don't condemn me for sarcastically saying I celebrate the deaths of US generals.

how exactly do you think they are "brainwashed"

i do condem them. its fucked up to celebrate death. it looks ugly. and ill call out fucked up shit like this.

Harry Smith

August 6th, 2014, 01:55 AM

i think its shit. im not happy about it.

how exactly do you think they are "brainwashed"

i do condem them. its fucked up to celebrate death. it looks ugly. and ill call out fucked up shit like this.

Like you, they're brainwashed in believing that people in the Middle East shouldn't have human rights.

The question we need to ask ourself-these are Afghani troops. They're suppose to be the 'good guys' according to the west, even they don't want us in there country. Vietnam .2

thatcountrykid

August 6th, 2014, 01:58 AM

Like you, they're brainwashed in believing that people in the Middle East shouldn't have human rights

When the fuck did i ever say that? im not brain washed. i see what i see and make my own damn opinion.

Harry Smith

August 6th, 2014, 02:02 AM

When the fuck did i ever say that? im not brain washed. i see what i see and make my own damn opinion.

When didn't you say it? You've regularly supported various actions in the middle east which have stripped entire populations of there rights-drone strikes, GITMO prison, revenge attacks, collective punishment.

thatcountrykid

August 6th, 2014, 02:07 AM

When didn't you say it? You've regularly supported various actions in the middle east which have stripped entire populations of there rights-drone strikes, GITMO prison, revenge attacks, collective punishment.

Oh you said damn-how edgy

guantanamo prison i from prisoners from all over. drone strike are on enemy targets. i do not see how that strips them from their rights.

When did i support collective punishment?

CharlieHorse

August 6th, 2014, 02:11 AM

why was there a US general in Afghanistan in the first place?

thatcountrykid

August 6th, 2014, 02:14 AM

why was there a US general in Afghanistan in the first place?

the us is the leading nation of the coalition.

Harry Smith

August 6th, 2014, 02:18 AM

guantanamo prison i from prisoners from all over. drone strike are on enemy targets. i do not see how that strips them from their rights.

When did i support collective punishment?

http://www.globalresearch.ca/drone-strikes-very-much-a-human-rights-issue/32281

Regrettably this call has not been heeded. The drone attacks continue in violation of the UN Charter, international human rights and international humanitarian law. The international human rights machinery must clearly reject attempts to justify these actions.”

http://tribune.com.pk/story/647672/un-passes-resolution-against-drone-strikes-unanimously/

http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issues/security-and-human-rights/drones

I believe you stated in another thread bombing North Korea with every single plane in the airforce

Gamma Male

August 6th, 2014, 02:21 AM

how exactly do you think they are "brainwashed"
They're brainwashed because they're willing to put their lives on the line to "protect our freedom" but they aren't actually protecting our freedom at all. They support the American government and think we're the good guys, when in reality the only reason we invaded Iraq is to fund the Military Industrial Complex and liberate Iraq's oil to the global market. They're killing themselves to protect the profits of multinational corporations but they don't know that's why they're killing themselves. Sounds like brainwashing to me.

i do condem them. its fucked up to celebrate death. it looks ugly. and ill call out fucked up shit like this.

My bad, I just see people celebrating terrorist deaths all the time. The deaths of Taliban leaders and the deaths of US generals are the same to me. I don't really support or care about either. I'm not siding with the terrorists, but our military is just as bad as the terrorists.

I would also like to apologize for the way Harry is acting. It's unfortunate he feels the need to be all standoffish and resort to ad hominems. I don't mean you any disrespect and I'm glad our difference of opinion hasn't stopped us from still being civil. :)

thatcountrykid

August 6th, 2014, 02:26 AM

http://www.globalresearch.ca/drone-strikes-very-much-a-human-rights-issue/32281

http://tribune.com.pk/story/647672/un-passes-resolution-against-drone-strikes-unanimously/

http://www.amnestyusa.org/our-work/issues/security-and-human-rights/drones

I believe you stated in another thread bombing North Korea with every single plane in the airforce

again with this international law shit. the american people elected our government to rule us. not the UN like it tries to do. tell me who will prosecute an entire country? are they gonna put sanctions? cause those are working so well with russia. drone strikes are logical in warfare. pakistan cannot be trusted. if they wont take care of the problem we will.

Harry Smith

August 6th, 2014, 02:27 AM

again with this international law shit. the american people elected our government to rule us. not the UN like it tries to do. tell me who will prosecute an entire country? are they gonna put sanctions? cause those are working so well with russia. drone strikes are logical in warfare. pakistan cannot be trusted. if they wont take care of the problem we will.

So you accept that you ignore international law?

Could you also tell me when Congress gave a deceleration of war against Pakistan? As Ron Paul always said, congress is the only body with the power to declare war

thatcountrykid

August 6th, 2014, 02:31 AM

They're brainwashed because they're willing to put their lives on the line to "protect our freedom" but they aren't actually protecting our freedom at all. They support the American government and think we're the good guys, when in reality the only reason we invaded Iraq is to fund the Military Industrial Complex and liberate Iraq's oil to the global market. They're killing themselves to protect the profits of multinational corporations but they don't know that's why they're killing themselves. Sounds like brainwashing to me.

My bad, I just see people celebrating terrorist deaths all the time. The deaths of Taliban leaders and the deaths of US generals are the same to me. I don't really support or care about either. I'm not siding with the terrorists, but our military is just as bad as the terrorists.

I would also like to apologize for the way Harry is acting. It's unfortunate he feels the need to be all standoffish and resort to ad hominems. I don't mean you any disrespect and I'm glad our difference of opinion hasn't stopped us from still being civil. :)

its not called brain washing. its called loyalty. maybe this sint a war for the freedom of america but it is an american war. the country calls on them to serve and they do. i know im not brainwashed but imm gonna enlist not because ill be fighton for americas liberties. ill be fighting for those behind at home and those beside me.

and thats your opinion and thats fine.

and yes i was extremely happy when he was banned for a period of time. is it that hard to be civil and lay off the personal attacks which really seem to be his only tactic.

well that and putting words into the mouths of others.

Harry Smith

August 6th, 2014, 02:33 AM

. is it that hard to be civil and lay off the personal attacks which really seem to be his only tactic.

I had no intention to offend you, or attack you. I'm sorry if I did

thatcountrykid

August 6th, 2014, 02:33 AM

So you accept that you ignore international law?

Could you also tell me when Congress gave a deceleration of war against Pakistan? As Ron Paul always said, congress is the only body with the power to declare war

im not saying we ignore it. im saying its bullshit and useless.

we are not at war with pakistan. i never said that. we are at war against terrorist groups.

and just so you know you do use personal attacks. all. the. time.

Harry Smith

August 6th, 2014, 02:37 AM

im not saying we ignore it. im saying its bullshit and useless.

we are not at war with pakistan. i never said that. we are at war against terrorist groups.

It's not useless, the whole situation in Kosovo/Serbia showed that to a degree international law can be used to good effect as it can enable you to actually carry out war crime trials.

But the US is conducting attacks against the sovereign nation of Pakistan, along with many other countries in the middle east. The US Constitution is clear in saying that congress need to declare war, not the President

http://www.infowars.com/ron-paul-libya-airstrikes-unconstitutional-%E2%80%93-only-congress-can-declare-war/

Gamma Male

August 6th, 2014, 02:43 AM

It's not useless, the whole situation in Kosovo/Serbia showed that to a degree international law can be used to good effect as it can enable you to actually carry out war crime trials.

But the US is conducting attacks against the sovereign nation of Pakistan, along with many other countries in the middle east. The US Constitution is clear in saying that congress need to declare war, not the President

http://www.infowars.com/ron-paul-libya-airstrikes-unconstitutional-%E2%80%93-only-congress-can-declare-war/
I agree with the point you made 100% and am totally behind you, but please don't link to infowars.

thatcountrykid

August 6th, 2014, 02:44 AM

It's not useless, the whole situation in Kosovo/Serbia showed that to a degree international law can be used to good effect as it can enable you to actually carry out war crime trials.

But the US is conducting attacks against the sovereign nation of Pakistan, along with many other countries in the middle east. The US Constitution is clear in saying that congress need to declare war, not the President

http://www.infowars.com/ron-paul-libya-airstrikes-unconstitutional-%E2%80%93-only-congress-can-declare-war/

i cant say im aware with what happened in kosovo. could you give me a brief run down?

the attacks are not against pakistani military or government. they are attacks against militant groups. its like how israel is with hamas.

Harry Smith

August 6th, 2014, 02:45 AM

I agree with the point you made 100% and am totally behind you, but please don't link to infowars.

he seems like a normal guy

http://www.dailydot.com/news/alex-jones-family-guy-boston-marathon/

i cant say im aware with what happened in kosovo. could you give me a brief run down?

the attacks are not against pakistani military or government. they are attacks against militant groups. its like how israel is with hamas.

It was very messy, about 6 different countries broke out from 1 larger country-mass civil war where the Serbians started committing genocide, NATO and UN went in, used air strikes to stop the war crimes and arrested a number of government officials who were then put on trial. It didn't work perfectly but it shows it can work.

But like Israel and Hamas the majority of the people are civilans, in fact I've seen estimating that 75% are civilians. The attacks undermine the Pakistani Military and Government. Would you be happy with Cuba bombing CIA buildings in Florida?

thatcountrykid

August 6th, 2014, 02:52 AM

he seems like a normal guy

http://www.dailydot.com/news/alex-jones-family-guy-boston-marathon/

It was very messy, about 6 different countries broke out from 1 larger country-mass civil war where the Serbians started committing genocide, NATO and UN went in, used air strikes to stop the war crimes and arrested a number of government officials who were then put on trial. It didn't work perfectly but it shows it can work.

But like Israel and Hamas the majority of the people are civilans, in fact I've seen estimating that 75% are civilians. The attacks undermine the Pakistani Military and Government. Would you be happy with Cuba bombing CIA buildings in Florida?

so it did take military action first?

most civilian casualties where subject to hamas showing "care and protections to its palestinians." children and developmentally disabled have been found chained to the outside of hamas buildings

the pakistani government wont do a thing about the problem. ill glady advocate saying its not our job once pakistan starts working on it.

of cource not but i fail to see what exactly you mean and how it compares.

Harry Smith

August 6th, 2014, 02:59 AM

so it did take military action first?

most civilian casualties where subject to hamas showing "care and protections to its palestinians." children and developmentally disabled have been found chained to the outside of hamas buildings

the pakistani government wont do a thing about the problem. ill glady advocate saying its not our job once pakistan starts working on it.

of cource not but i fail to see what exactly you mean and how it compares.

Yes, I've never said that Military action is always wrong. I just think that people are too quick to use it without looking at the long term issues.

I'm skeptical of that claim, do you have any evidence for it? You should also remember that in this same week Israel bombed a UN school.

Al-Qaeda/Taliban etc are based in Afganistan and attack US forces in Afganistan. You support the US bombing the base of operations because the terrorists have attacked the US.

Cuban revolutionary groups are based in Florida and attacked Cuba. By right you should support Cuba bombing these buildings as long as they don't harm US military interests

CharlieHorse

August 6th, 2014, 03:04 AM

the us is the leading nation of the coalition.

sure, but why do we have troops there?

thatcountrykid

August 6th, 2014, 03:10 AM

Yes, I've never said that Military action is always wrong. I just think that people are too quick to use it without looking at the long term issues.

I'm skeptical of that claim, do you have any evidence for it? You should also remember that in this same week Israel bombed a UN school.

Al-Qaeda/Taliban etc are based in Afganistan and attack US forces in Afganistan. You support the US bombing the base of operations because the terrorists have attacked the US.

Cuban revolutionary groups are based in Florida and attacked Cuba. By right you should support Cuba bombing these buildings as long as they don't harm US military interests

and im not saying you did im just saying that in a majority of cases violence is neseccary.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mitchell-bard/hamas-is-responsible-for_b_155261.html

then i would say no i do not support that. cuba is nationalistic and has borders.terrorist groups like al queda and the taliban which are centere on religion do not.

sure, but why do we have troops there?

because that is where the war is being fought. afganistan has been the center of the action for a while.

Use the 'edit' button on the lower-right instead of double posting. ~Typhlosion.

CharlieHorse

August 6th, 2014, 03:15 AM

because that is where the war is being fought. afganistan has been the center of the action for a while.

we're still fighting a "war" there? wow. That's sad

thatcountrykid

August 6th, 2014, 03:18 AM

we're still fighting a "war" there? wow. That's sad

yeah it is sad that people forget about the soldiers dying for others who dont care anymore but its still a war that need to be fought.

CharlieHorse

August 6th, 2014, 03:24 AM

yeah it is sad that people forget about the soldiers dying for others who dont care anymore but its still a war that need to be fought.

or the civilians for that matter.
and i doubt that any war "needs" to be fought. Plus, i thought we were withdrawing troops from Afghanistan. Why continue to fight?

thatcountrykid

August 6th, 2014, 03:32 AM

or the civilians for that matter.
and i doubt that any war "needs" to be fought. Plus, i thought we were withdrawing troops from Afghanistan. Why continue to fight?

we are withdrawing and yes in most cases fighting is neseccary

Blood

August 6th, 2014, 01:42 PM

Wowww, I think you all need to take a step back and calm the fuck down. Death is death, no one here should be celebrating the death of another individual during wartime, but the fact of the matter is that some people will.

There are no "good guys" and "bad guys" in a war. War is war. It's usually two evils fighting with each other, and occasionally one will be a lesser evil.

This is a news post about the death of a U.S. general and you've all turned it into a huge debate about multiple things to do with war. Seriously? Grow up.

Stronk Serb

August 9th, 2014, 08:58 AM

he seems like a normal guy

http://www.dailydot.com/news/alex-jones-family-guy-boston-marathon/

It was very messy, about 6 different countries broke out from 1 larger country-mass civil war where the Serbians started committing genocide, NATO and UN went in, used air strikes to stop the war crimes and arrested a number of government officials who were then put on trial. It didn't work perfectly but it shows it can work.

But like Israel and Hamas the majority of the people are civilans, in fact I've seen estimating that 75% are civilians. The attacks undermine the Pakistani Military and Government. Would you be happy with Cuba bombing CIA buildings in Florida?

It wasn't just the Serbs. The Croats and Bosniaks and Albanians did horrible stuff too, other than that, I agree 100%. Other people then Serbs were arrested and tried, but not everyone at all sides. Our current president and prime minister were sponsoring paramilitaries who commited genocide, and nothing happened. Our former
prime minister was VP of Milošević's party. Someone should clean houses here at the Balkans, prefferably with a Remmington model 700 or some C4.