Raising children in Prison. Yay or nay?

[ImagineRepublicCity]

So I've actually got a debate on this topic.
"That we should allow incarcerated parents to raise their children in minimum security prisons" and we are affirmative.
I wanted to know your opinion/s and reasoning, even some stats if you have it.
What do you think?
Keep in mind these are minimum security, so all the offenders have performed very small crimes. Minimum security prisons tend to have very little supervisors, little to no gates and 'cells' are small rooms, where prisoners are allowed to have a couple of their own possessions.

[britishboy]

No quite simply, no debate for me.

[Bmble_B]

Yes same for me
N to the O No

[ImagineRepublicCity]

No quite simply, no debate for me.

Yes same for me
N to the O No

Yeah but why?

[britishboy]

Yeah but why?

It's quite simply not fair on the child and will without doubt hinder their learning as well as leading them towards a life of crime.

[TheN3rdyOutcast]

No. This make said children, antisocial, and hinder their education. Plus, incarcerated parents can use their children to smuggle in things.

[Miserabilia]

If their crimes are only so small, which means they are probably in there for less than a month. In that case, what's the problem? The children aren't improsened themselves so they can still get out, and there would be extra protection to secure the children's safety.

[thatcountrykid]

no! not only no but HELL NO! thats fucked up on so many levels and unfair to the child. take the kid away and adopt it out. save it while you still can.

[Typhlosion]

I don't think any smaller crime should have a child forcefully removed from a parent's guardianship. It should be the child's decision.

What are the current laws and opinions on this matter?

[thatcountrykid]

I don't think any smaller crime should have a child forcefully removed from a parent's guardianship. It should be the child's decision.

What are the current laws and opinions on this matter?

a child will not make the right decision for themselves. they will want to stay with mommy or daddy. if that parent did a crime knowingly while in charge of a child they dont deserve them. it only exposes the child to worse.

[ImagineRepublicCity]

I don't think any smaller crime should have a child forcefully removed from a parent's guardianship. It should be the child's decision.

What are the current laws and opinions on this matter?

There are actually many prisons which allow mother and child bonding and what not. The parents must have no history of violence/abuse and must be a minimum security offender, so these parents are only in jail for maximum 2 years (which rarely happens, I think it probably ranges around 6 months to a year).

Children are normally younger than a year, but in some places, the children can be raised with their parents until they're 3.

Education is a necessity, so at this point, children will have to move back to other family or board at schools or something.

There aren't many people disagreeing with allowing children to stay with their mothers (there hasn't been too much about fathers) since they make sure it's the best for the child.

It's quite simply not fair on the child and will without doubt hinder their learning as well as leading them towards a life of crime.

See, but without it, children are 5 to 7 times more likely to re-offend if their parents are in jail. In this case, government is attempting to strengthen their bonds with their parents, since most of these parents understand what they did was wrong.

no! not only no but HELL NO! thats fucked up on so many levels and unfair to the child. take the kid away and adopt it out. save it while you still can.

I'm not sure if you know it or not, but children in foster homes tend to do poorly at school. The parents are normally only in jail for short periods of time, so putting the kid up for adoption will, most likely, only make matters worse. The amount of abuse and sexual abuse in foster homes is pretty high if I remember.

No. This make said children, antisocial, and hinder their education. Plus, incarcerated parents can use their children to smuggle in things.

Smuggle what? In minimum security prisons, prisoners are allowed to have a lot of their possessions and these children normally
1. Stay with the parent
2. Are very young
I understand what you mean with anti-social, but there are many prisons which allow the guards and the nurses (with parents permission) to take their children out to playgrounds or bring them to creche if the mothers go to work/school.

If their crimes are only so small, which means they are probably in there for less than a month. In that case, what's the problem? The children aren't improsened themselves so they can still get out, and there would be extra protection to secure the children's safety.

Well, yeah, pretty much. The mother/child thing is normally in a separate wing or an entirely different building at prisons. The last thing government wants is for children to be hurt or somewhat.

[thatcountrykid]

There are actually many prisons which allow mother and child bonding and what not. The parents must have no history of violence/abuse and must be a minimum security offender, so these parents are only in jail for maximum 2 years (which rarely happens, I think it probably ranges around 6 months to a year).

Children are normally younger than a year, but in some places, the children can be raised with their parents until they're 3.

Education is a necessity, so at this point, children will have to move back to other family or board at schools or something.

There aren't many people disagreeing with allowing children to stay with their mothers (there hasn't been too much about fathers) since they make sure it's the best for the child.



See, but without it, children are 5 to 7 times more likely to re-offend if their parents are in jail. In this case, government is attempting to strengthen their bonds with their parents, since most of these parents understand what they did was wrong.



I'm not sure if you know it or not, but children in foster homes tend to do poorly at school. The parents are normally only in jail for short periods of time, so putting the kid up for adoption will, most likely, only make matters worse. The amount of abuse and sexual abuse in foster homes is pretty high if I remember.



Smuggle what? In minimum security prisons, prisoners are allowed to have a lot of their possessions and these children normally
1. Stay with the parent
2. Are very young
I understand what you mean with anti-social, but there are many prisons which allow the guards and the nurses (with parents permission) to take their children out to playgrounds or bring them to creche if the mothers go to work/school.



Well, yeah, pretty much. The mother/child thing is normally in a separate wing or an entirely different building at prisons. The last thing government wants is for children to be hurt or somewhat.

so just let the kid grow up in prison and not in a good child care home? yeah that makes sense

[ImagineRepublicCity]

so just let the kid grow up in prison and not in a good child care home? yeah that makes sense

Like I said, child cares rip apart families. It can lead to mental illness and anti-social behaviours. Minimum security prisons are (I don't like saying this but) are pretty much like a holiday. Probably better than living at home (for me anyway)

These children are in fact, an inspiration to parents to stop. These parent have done very minor crimes like first class robbery, forgery, and minor drug cases. You'd be surprised, but a lot of the crimes they perform are to help their child, but they go a bit overboard.

[thatcountrykid]

Like I said, child cares rip apart families. It can lead to mental illness and anti-social behaviours. Minimum security prisons are (I don't like saying this but) are pretty much like a holiday. Probably better than living at home (for me anyway)

These children are in fact, an inspiration to parents to stop. These parent have done very minor crimes like first class robbery, forgery, and minor drug cases. You'd be surprised, but a lot of the crimes they perform are to help their child, but they go a bit overboard.

so lets reward these people for their drug crimes and robberies by letting them keep their kids in prison and in doing that punish the kids!

Have you ever seen a druggy or a robber uo close like being arrested or in the jail? cause i have and i know a druggy doesnt deserve to keep their kids!

[Dalcourt]

Like I said, child cares rip apart families. It can lead to mental illness and anti-social behaviours. Minimum security prisons are (I don't like saying this but) are pretty much like a holiday. Probably better than living at home (for me anyway)

These children are in fact, an inspiration to parents to stop. These parent have done very minor crimes like first class robbery, forgery, and minor drug cases. You'd be surprised, but a lot of the crimes they perform are to help their child, but they go a bit overboard.

I have read about programmes like this and also watched a report about it on sometime ago. It is really a good thing to let this mothers keep their kids. It is not like those women are crazy abusive druggies that are looked up for years and their kids with them. Women who are allowed keeping their kids are carefully selected. There are experts working with them who decide when it is better to take a kid away and when to allow the Mom to keep it.

It is a good thing not to rip apart those small families...it's usually single Moms...it has positive effects on the mothers when they are allowed this lil bit of normality in their lives ... and on the kids cuz they are not traumatized by being taken away.

[ImagineRepublicCity]

so lets reward these people for their drug crimes and robberies by letting them keep their kids in prison and in doing that punish the kids!

Have you ever seen a druggy or a robber uo close like being arrested or in the jail? cause i have and i know a druggy doesnt deserve to keep their kids!

Their kids are not punished. You would be punishing the kids if you leave them alone to grow up in their first few years alone without their parents. ANd like I said, the more serious offenders don't go to minimum security prisons, they go to the low or medium security prisons.

These people do things like go into drugs because they found out their child has a small chance of surviving. THese people are the ones which steal out of desperation so they can feed their children. ALl the things these people do is for their children.

I have read about programmes like this and also watched a report about it on sometime ago. It is really a good thing to let this mothers keep their kids. It is not like those women are crazy abusive druggies that are looked up for years and their kids with them. Women who are allowed keeping their kids are carefully selected. There are experts working with them who decide when it is better to take a kid away and when to allow the Mom to keep it.

It is a good thing not to rip apart those small families...it's usually single Moms...it has positive effects on the mothers when they are allowed this lil bit of normality in their lives ... and on the kids cuz they are not traumatized by being taken away.

I mean, I'm sure if you were a child which was ripped apart from your mum when you were a year old, you would be prettu traumatised.

[thatcountrykid]

Their kids are not punished. You would be punishing the kids if you leave them alone to grow up in their first few years alone without their parents. ANd like I said, the more serious offenders don't go to minimum security prisons, they go to the low or medium security prisons.

These people do things like go into drugs because they found out their child has a small chance of surviving. THese people are the ones which steal out of desperation so they can feed their children. ALl the things these people do is for their children.

BULLSHIT! OK LETME DO DRUGS AND WAIST MYSELF AWAY INSTEAD OF BEING AN ADULT AND HELPING MY KID! give me a break. there are ways to get help. not stealing.

[ImagineRepublicCity]

BULLSHIT! OK LETME DO DRUGS AND WAIST MYSELF AWAY INSTEAD OF BEING AN ADULT AND HELPING MY KID! give me a break. there are ways to get help. not stealing.

Woah dude, these people are still being parents. When you suffer from a mental illness, do you think you're okay? Do you ask for help? Yes and No. Same goes with parents. You think you're doing good for your child, but you're doing it the wrong way.

I think you're mixing this up with those people which are actively using drugs and begin to do things like neglect their children and spend all their savings on drugs. Those aren't the people in this topic.

[Svan]

I think it's an awful idea.

[thatcountrykid]

Woah dude, these people are still being parents. When you suffer from a mental illness, do you think you're okay? Do you ask for help? Yes and No. Same goes with parents. You think you're doing good for your child, but you're doing it the wrong way.

I think you're mixing this up with those people which are actively using drugs and begin to do things like neglect their children and spend all their savings on drugs. Those aren't the people in this topic.

if youre doing drugs and spending money on drugs its neglect. its child neglect and child endangerment and those are arrestable offences and cps will be called.

[ImagineRepublicCity]

if youre doing drugs and spending money on drugs its neglect. its child neglect and child endangerment and those are arrestable offences and cps will be called.

Okay, so if you do drugs, does that immediately make you a bad person?

[thatcountrykid]

Okay, so if you do drugs, does that immediately make you a bad person?

A:Its against the law.B: It makes you a person who shouldnt be trusted with a child and C: you shouldnt trust or expect much out of them for anything.

[Dalcourt]

A:Its against the law.B: It makes you a person who shouldnt be trusted with a child and C: you shouldnt trust or expect much out of them for anything.

First, I dunno why it's always just about drugs in your opinion? Do you think there are just people imprisoned who do drugs?
I mean in the report I saw a couple of the moms were jailed for minor tax offences, they were all clean...This was a vital part of the deal, no druggie was allowed to have her kid there were just drug free moms in the mother and child wing of the prison.

You make it sound as if some random crack whore was thrown in a cell together with her kid. The goal of the whole thing is to keep the more decent of the prisoners sane by not taking their life from them completely. It's part of integrating them back into society after doing their time...not ruining the life of them completely and making them even worse than they are now.

[thatcountrykid]

First, I dunno why it's always just about drugs in your opinion? Do you think there are just people imprisoned who do drugs?
I mean in the report I saw a couple of the moms were jailed for minor tax offences, they were all clean...This was a vital part of the deal, no druggie was allowed to have her kid there were just drug free moms in the mother and child wing of the prison.

You make it sound as if some random crack whore was thrown in a cell together with her kid. The goal of the whole thing is to keep the more decent of the prisoners sane by not taking their life from them completely. It's part of integrating them back into society after doing their time...not ruining the life of them completely and making them even worse than they are now.

its not only druggies of course i know that. it was just my example with the other person. a child should not have to go to jail because their mother fucked up. its not the kids fault. let the state take temporary custody of the minor cases till the other is released. no prisoner who just has a few months will go insane. you make it sound like jails and prisons are torture chambers.

[Dalcourt]

its not only druggies of course i know that. it was just my example with the other person. a child should not have to go to jail because their mother fucked up. its not the kids fault. let the state take temporary custody of the minor cases till the other is released. no prisoner who just has a few months will go insane. you make it sound like jails and prisons are torture chambers.

First every decent minor tax offender must loose his mind if he or she is in prison taking into consideration how you described offenders in your posts before mind. Second I know quite a bit about prisons and what they are like cuz I know a great deal of people from both sides of the bars.

And last but not least, it is a shitload of bureaucracy to get your kid back once it is in the system even if it is only just for a couple of months, believe me I know what I'm talking about.

[thatcountrykid]

First every decent minor tax offender must loose his mind if he or she is in prison taking into consideration how you described offenders in your posts before mind. Second I know quite a bit about prisons and what they are like cuz I know a great deal of people from both sides of the bars.

And last but not least, it is a shitload of bureaucracy to get your kid back once it is in the system even if it is only just for a couple of months, believe me I know what I'm talking about.

explain to me how exactly you know if you dont mind?

[Dalcourt]

explain to me how exactly you know if you dont mind?

cuz it happened to me ?

[thatcountrykid]

First every decent minor tax offender must loose his mind if he or she is in prison taking into consideration how you described offenders in your posts before mind. Second I know quite a bit about prisons and what they are like cuz I know a great deal of people from both sides of the bars.

And last but not least, it is a shitload of bureaucracy to get your kid back once it is in the system even if it is only just for a couple of months, believe me I know what I'm talking about.

Can you explain what you mean by how every decent minor tax offender MUST lose his/her mind.

cuz it happened to me ?

Can i ask why you were seperated?


And trust me i know alot too. my father was in the corrc=ections department for 10 years and on patrol for 15 so hes seen these "decent" druggies and tax offenders and the sorts first hand from arrest to incarceration. ive seen a drugged up mother take her kid WITH her to drug deals. explain to me how she deserves to keep her kid.

[Dalcourt]

Can you explain what you mean by how every decent minor tax offender MUST lose his/her mind.



Can i ask why you were seperated?


And trust me i know alot too. my father was in the corrc=ections department for 10 years and on patrol for 15 so hes seen these "decent" druggies and tax offenders and the sorts first hand from arrest to incarceration. ive seen a drugged up mother take her kid WITH her t
o drug deals. explain to me how she deserves to keep her kid.


How would you stay normal being looked up with druggies, prostitutes and other whatever crazy ones, knowing that you probably won't get your job back or find a new one if people know you've been doing time? That people aren't happy to have an offender living in their residential area and you'd probably have to move to a let's say less decent one and in addition you realize that they have taken your kid away, probably for good, how would you know? And all that sometimes just cuz you fell for the wrong guy? A lot of women get in that way, just ask some of the female druggies your Dad catches. How not to lose it if shit like that happens...or do you think all people who are in jail are just born evil. There's not just black and white there are many shades and many stories inbetween.

A mom taking a kid with her on a drug deal would never be able to keep her kid when sent to prison, so I guess it's obvious that this would be out of the question.

My best friend's Mom is a police officer, so I know that not all offenders are nice people.
My step-granddad is a prison guard in Angola prison, so the told me that there are bad people in this world, belive me.

I'm not stupid and I also don't believe that our prisons are full of nice and innocent people. I also don't really believe in a second chance for everyone. It's just as I said there are so many different people and stories in the world and if there are a handful there that could be saved why not try and save 'em? Does not religion and morals tell us so? And if you can bring one girl back on the right path by letting her keep her kid, why not?

And for your question about me and my family being separated, that's quite off topic, so I won't answer in detail here. Let's just say my Dad is one of the not so nice druggies and that he wouldn't have been able to keep me if there would have been daddy and child cells in prison...but that authorities thought it would be better to put me in the system instead of giving my grandparents guardianship and thus wasting a lot of tax money in my opinion.

[thatcountrykid]

How would you stay normal being looked up with druggies, prostitutes and other whatever crazy ones, knowing that you probably won't get your job back or find a new one if people know you've been doing time? That people aren't happy to have an offender living in their residential area and you'd probably have to move to a let's say less decent one and in addition you realize that they have taken your kid away, probably for good, how would you know? And all that sometimes just cuz you fell for the wrong guy? A lot of women get in that way, just ask some of the female druggies your Dad catches. How not to lose it if shit like that happens...or do you think all people who are in jail are just born evil. There's not just black and white there are many shades and many stories inbetween.

A mom taking a kid with her on a drug deal would never be able to keep her kid when sent to prison, so I guess it's obvious that this would be out of the question.

My best friend's Mom is a police officer, so I know that not all offenders are nice people.
My step-granddad is a prison guard in Angola prison, so the told me that there are bad people in this world, belive me.

I'm not stupid and I also don't believe that our prisons are full of nice and innocent people. I also don't really believe in a second chance for everyone. It's just as I said there are so many different people and stories in the world and if there are a handful there that could be saved why not try and save 'em? Does not religion and morals tell us so? And if you can bring one girl back on the right path by letting her keep her kid, why not?

And for your question about me and my family being separated, that's quite off topic, so I won't answer in detail here. Let's just say my Dad is one of the not so nice druggies and that he wouldn't have been able to keep me if there would have been daddy and child cells in prison...but that authorities thought it would be better to put me in the system instead of giving my grandparents guardianship and thus wasting a lot of tax money in my opinion.


Everybody who falls into drugs and crime put themselves there. If your un jail its their fault and they have to deal with it.

And if given the responsibility of deciding who gets to keep their kid i would not give that woman her child in the hopes that she MIGHT get back on track. why put the child through that. keep the child a ward of the state until she has PROVEN she can be trusted but if she fucks up one bit the child is taken away.

[ImagineRepublicCity]

Everybody who falls into drugs and crime put themselves there. If your un jail its their fault and they have to deal with it.

And if given the responsibility of deciding who gets to keep their kid i would not give that woman her child in the hopes that she MIGHT get back on track. why put the child through that. keep the child a ward of the state until she has PROVEN she can be trusted but if she fucks up one bit the child is taken away.

Well, there are many, many experts which regulate this. Like I've mentioned (somewhere) these people must be in a stable mental state and must have offended at a minimum security level. There is really, no way to prove whether or not someone is going to reoffend in the next 10 or 20 years time, but that doesn't mean that a child and parent must suffer the consequences.

For example, you can't tell if your best mate has or will take drugs in the next month (unless they've told you), it'll just happen.
They are really, not going to put a childs life in danger, really. The last thing government wants is a child getting hurt, because the media will turn to government and things will get messy. Everything is very carefully monitored, from supervision to nurses to childcares.

Edit: And just to go with your point beforehand, in Australia, it's illegal to jaywalk (walk across the road when the light is red) and I've done so plenty of times. Does that make me untrustworthy?
There's also a lot of people which go on their phone while driving when they shouldn't be. Does that make them bad people?

[Korashk]

I don't see why not. It's undoubtedly better for the child than becoming a temporary ward of the state. These prosons would obviously need new facilities to accomplish a program like this, but other than that it's a solid idea that helps keep families together, and that's rarely a bad thing for society.

It's quite simply not fair on the child and will without doubt hinder their learning as well as leading them towards a life of crime.
How would it do any of those things? If anything bring forcibly separated from their parent isn't fair to the child, they'd still have to go to school, and I doubt that living in a prison environment would make any non-criminal more likely to commit crimes.

No. This make said children, antisocial,
I assume you mean they'd have a lack of socialization (which is very different than being antisocial). If so, how?

Plus, incarcerated parents can use their children to smuggle in things.
From what I've read about them, it isn't exactly hard to smuggle things into minimum security prisons and minimum security offenders aren't often the type that would resort to forcibly shoving contraband into the orifices of their own children; which is the only real way to get something in that couldn't be done without using the children.

no! not only no but HELL NO! thats fucked up on so many levels and unfair to the child. take the kid away and adopt it out. save it while you still can.
Mimimum secutity prisons are reserved for non-violent offenders and and downgrades for violent ones with YEARS of good behavior under their belts. Going to jail once by no means makes you incapable a parent and you know nothing about the US adoption system if you think it's by and large good for children that aren't infants.

a good child care home?
These don't really exist. Sure, many foster families are fine, but the system as a whole has much greater negative impacts on children than positive ones.

so lets reward these people for their drug crimes and robberies by letting them keep their kids in prison and in doing that punish the kids!
Again I ask, how does this punish the kids? If anything this is better for society as a whole because it allows families to stay together.

Have you ever seen a druggy or a robber uo close like being arrested or in the jail? cause i have and i know a druggy doesnt deserve to keep their kids!
Obviously this would only be allowed on a case-by-case basis and most people sentenced to minimum security prisons are white-collar, non-violent criminals. Most people there have committed fraud, not robbery (which is a violent crime).

BULLSHIT! OK LETME DO DRUGS AND WAIST MYSELF AWAY INSTEAD OF BEING AN ADULT AND HELPING MY KID! give me a break. there are ways to get help. not stealing.
You obviously don't know what kind of crimes land you in minimum security prisons. Research the topic instead of spewing ignorance and you'll have better discussions.

A:Its against the law.
Mostly irrelevant. If I build a shed in my backyard that violated city codes that doesn't make me a bad person.

[QUOTE]B: It makes you a person who shouldnt be trusted with a child
I'd wager that most parents use a legal drug that, while legal, is much more harmful to society than the illegal ones. Alcohol. If your dad were to have a couple of beers after work does that make him a bad person? He's statistically more likely to do something wrong or hard someone afterwards than someone who smokes a joint in the comfort of their home.

[thatcountrykid]

I don't see why not. It's undoubtedly better for the child than becoming a temporary ward of the state. These prosons would obviously need new facilities to accomplish a program like this, but other than that it's a solid idea that helps keep families together, and that's rarely a bad thing for society.


How would it do any of those things? If anything bring forcibly separated from their parent isn't fair to the child, they'd still have to go to school, and I doubt that living in a prison environment would make any non-criminal more likely to commit crimes.


I assume you mean they'd have a lack of socialization (which is very different than being antisocial). If so, how?


From what I've read about them, it isn't exactly hard to smuggle things into minimum security prisons and minimum security offenders aren't often the type that would resort to forcibly shoving contraband into the orifices of their own children; which is the only real way to get something in that couldn't be done without using the children.


Mimimum secutity prisons are reserved for non-violent offenders and and downgrades for violent ones with YEARS of good behavior under their belts. Going to jail once by no means makes you incapable a parent and you know nothing about the US adoption system if you think it's by and large good for children that aren't infants.


These don't really exist. Sure, many foster families are fine, but the system as a whole has much greater negative impacts on children than positive ones.


Again I ask, how does this punish the kids? If anything this is better for society as a whole because it allows families to stay together.


Obviously this would only be allowed on a case-by-case basis and most people sentenced to minimum security prisons are white-collar, non-violent criminals. Most people there have committed fraud, not robbery (which is a violent crime).


You obviously don't know what kind of crimes land you in minimum security prisons. Research the topic instead of spewing ignorance and you'll have better discussions.

[QUOTE=thatcountrykid;2888924]A:Its against the law.
Mostly irrelevant. If I build a shed in my backyard that violated city codes that doesn't make me a bad person.


I'd wager that most parents use a legal drug that, while legal, is much more harmful to society than the illegal ones. Alcohol. If your dad were to have a couple of beers after work does that make him a bad person? He's statistically more likely to do something wrong or hard someone afterwards than someone who smokes a joint in the comfort of their home.

i know what im talking about man. i dont read the statistics cause that doesnt teach shit. But being out there and seeing these people being arrested and sitting in jail i know by the way they act they dont deserve there kids. im gonna tell you one of these situations.

While on a ridealong we went to a house about a drug dealer who supposedly stole a car. he was long gone but his girlfriend, her mom, and the girlfriends baby were there. it didnt ake more than five minutes for the mom to flip over a minor(minimum security) drug charge. she was completely unfit for her child. there was meth sitting in the open not 10 feet from the girl who could easily have mistaken it for candy. the mom started fighting the officers when they said "hey we only need to take you for about three hours" tell me how that deserves to keep her child. tell me how a meth head constantly endangering their kid deserves them.

I didnt say breaking anylaw makes you a bad person. i said drugs do.

[Korashk]

i know what im talking about man. i dont read the statistics cause that doesnt teach shit.
This is the opposite of what is true, just for the record.

Anecdotal evidence is literally the worst kind of evidence when trying to make a point. With your story you are taking your personal experience that applies in only a fraction of cases and applying it to every case with somewhat similar circumstances.

While on a ridealong we went to a house about a drug dealer who supposedly stole a car. he was long gone but his girlfriend, her mom, and the girlfriends baby were there. it didnt ake more than five minutes for the mom to flip over a minor(minimum security) drug charge. she was completely unfit for her child. there was meth sitting in the open not 10 feet from the girl who could easily have mistaken it for candy. the mom started fighting the officers when they said "hey we only need to take you for about three hours" tell me how that deserves to keep her child. tell me how a meth head constantly endangering their kid deserves them.
That's a nice story, however nobody is saying that this woman should be able to keep her kid in prison. This topic is about the general concept of allowing the practice, not making it so that everyone in minimum security prisons has to raise their children there.

I didnt say breaking anylaw makes you a bad person. i said drugs do.
If your dad has a beer after work is he a bad person? Alcohol is a drug, and much worse than ones that are currently illegal in terms of societal impact.

[ImagineRepublicCity]

i know what im talking about man. i dont read the statistics cause that doesnt teach shit. But being out there and seeing these people being arrested and sitting in jail i know by the way they act they dont deserve there kids. im gonna tell you one of these situations.

While on a ridealong we went to a house about a drug dealer who supposedly stole a car. he was long gone but his girlfriend, her mom, and the girlfriends baby were there. it didnt ake more than five minutes for the mom to flip over a minor(minimum security) drug charge. she was completely unfit for her child. there was meth sitting in the open not 10 feet from the girl who could easily have mistaken it for candy. the mom started fighting the officers when they said "hey we only need to take you for about three hours" tell me how that deserves to keep her child. tell me how a meth head constantly endangering their kid deserves them.

I didnt say breaking anylaw makes you a bad person. i said drugs do.

As I've said, there are many regulations to regulate this. The government would definitely not ever place a child in a dangerous situation. It'll only make the government collapse when the media finds out. There are many people which judge the state of the prisoner. If the prisoner is not fit to raise a child (e.g. has a mental illness or a history of child neglect) the authorities will not allow the child to be raised by the parent.

Also, here is a quote from a UK website
"An estimated one in three adults (36.5%), around 12 million people, had ever taken an illicit drug in their lifetime..."
These are only adults, not including younger people. Does this make one third of the entire population of the world (more than 2 billion) bad people?