Black people who use the N-word but get annoyed when white people do.

[UnknownError]

Personally I don't use it and tell other people not to, but I find it so hypocritical when black people who do say it get offended when other people do. In my opinion the first step towards making people not use a word, is to not use it yourself. Which is why I personally don't say it.

What's worse though is when white people are covering a black artists song which uses the word, and are expected to change the lyrics because they are white. It just annoys me tbh.

Your thoughts?

[Plane And Simple]

+1. You said it all.

[TheN3rdyOutcast]

I wish that word would just be wiped from the face of existence all together, it doesn't look good when white people say it because it dredges up the past and it doesn't look good when ANY person of color says it because it conforms to stereotypes.I will NEVER say that accursed word, it's about as bad as c*nt

[Southside]

I think I'm more than qualified to explain, we only get offended when the racist variation of the word is used. I have a few white friends and they use the non-racist variation of the word and no one cares. As Blacks we say the "N" Word just as everyone else says "dude", "bro", "man".

Example: "Nigga, lets go to the store after school", "My nigga, what you been up to?"

Its two different variations of the "N" Word, of course Nigg** and Nigga, we use "Nigga". I don't see anything wrong if a white person uses it the way we use it, it's when it's used as a racial slur its wrong.

As Tupac Shakur best explained,

Never
Ignorant
Getting
Goals
Accomplished

[thatcountrykid]

I think I'm more than qualified to explain, we only get offended when the racist variation of the word is used. I have a few white friends and they use the non-racist variation of the word and no one cares.

As Blacks we say the "N" Word just as everyone else says "dude", "bro", "man".

Example: "Nigga, lets go to the store after school", "My nigga, what you been up to?"

Its two different variations of the "N" Word, of course Nigg** and Nigga, we use "Nigga".

i really dont see the difference.

[Miserabilia]

I dislike the whole guild-use system of words.
Like, the system of "I'm black so I can say nigger", "I'm gay so I can say fag/queer".
If the words really offend them,
I don't see why you're throwing them around so much.

[Southside]

i really dont see the difference.

Well that's the problem, if you as a white person walked up to me and said "What's up my nigga" I'd take no offense and most Blacks wouldn't either if it was in the right environment.

It really frustrates me how people who aren't necessarily familiar with the culture and the meanings around the word automatically assume "OH THOSE BLACKS ON THE RADIO ARE CALLING EACH OTHER NIGGERS, WHY IS IT BAD WHEN WE SAY IT?" because we don't use it like that.


I don't know any Black person who walks around saying "Nigger", I know plenty who say "Nigga".

[Stronk Serb]

Nigger is derived from Latin (Niger- black). I guess the nigga thing is OK. Here some white people use that word kinda like blacks in the States do.

[Miserabilia]

Nigger is derived from Latin (Niger- black). I guess the nigga thing is OK. Here some white people use that word kinda like blacks in the States do.

Nigger, nigeria, negro, etc etc etc. All the same origina, it's the historical use that differes in what people deem offensive and what not.

[TheN3rdyOutcast]

I think I'm more than qualified to explain, we only get offended when the racist variation of the word is used. I have a few white friends and they use the non-racist variation of the word and no one cares. As Blacks we say the "N" Word just as everyone else says "dude", "bro", "man".


I don't believe there is a non-rasict variation of...that word. I'm half black, and anytime I hear it, it's racist, almost as if anyone were to call me a faggot, it would be rude or homophobic. My thought process is, white people don't call each other crackers, hispanics don't call each other wetbacks, asians don't call each other spinks, so why the heck do blacks call each other niggers.

I apologize for my excessive use of racial slurs.

[crazyBoyjJ]

Hmm it is hypocritical actually. Cause its an offensive word to use, it shouldn't eve be used.

[Bmble_B]

Yes I wish the word was utterly wiped out from the English language (Like someone else here said)

[Southside]

I don't believe there is a non-rasict variation of...that word. I'm half black, and anytime I hear it, it's racist, almost as if anyone were to call me a faggot, it would be rude or homophobic. My thought process is, white people don't call each other crackers, hispanics don't call each other wetbacks, asians don't call each other spinks, so why the heck do blacks call each other niggers.

I apologize for my excessive use of racial slurs.


That right there lets me know you don't understand the culture or how we use it. As I said in a previous post, I've never heard Black person call another Black "nigger". It is a non-racist variation of it if I hear my Hispanic and White friends using it around us Blacks and there isn't any problems.

I don't know about other Black people who use the non-racist variation but with me and my friends, If someone says "That's my nigga" or something like that lets me know your a true friend, its a word that symbolizes brotherhood where I live.

[TheN3rdyOutcast]

That right there lets me know you don't understand the culture or how we use it. As I said in a previous post, I've never heard Black person call another Black "nigger". It is a non-racist variation of it if I hear my Hispanic and White friends using it around us Blacks and there isn't any problems.

I don't know about other Black people who use the non-racist variation but with me and my friends, If someone says "That's my nigga" or something like that lets me know your a true friend, its a word that symbolizes brotherhood where I live.

I don't understand how one could feel emotional attachment to someone who calls them a watered down racial slur, but if you feel that way, so be it.

[Southside]

I don't understand how one could feel emotional attachment to someone who calls them a watered down racial slur, but if you feel that way, so be it.

It's not a racial slur they way we use it, why would be calling our own kind racial slurs? Yet again, you don't understand the culture or meaning behind it.

[dame]

Well that's the problem, if you as a white person walked up to me and said "What's up my nigga" I'd take no offense and most Blacks wouldn't either if it was in the right environment.

It really frustrates me how people who aren't necessarily familiar with the culture and the meanings around the word automatically assume "OH THOSE BLACKS ON THE RADIO ARE CALLING EACH OTHER NIGGERS, WHY IS IT BAD WHEN WE SAY IT?" because we don't use it like that.


I don't know any Black person who walks around saying "Nigger", I know plenty who say "Nigga".

I 100% agree with this. There's definitely a difference between "nigga" & "nigger".

[TheN3rdyOutcast]

It's not a racial slur they way we use it, why would be calling our own kind racial slurs? Yet again, you don't understand the culture or meaning behind it.

It is not a FULL racial slur, but a watered down racial slur. I understand that you use it to mean "friend" or whatever, but the fact still resides it you take the -er and replace, it with an -a it's still the same word as before, just with a little bit of the negative connotative meaning taken away.

[thatcountrykid]

so i i where to call my mexican buddies beaners in a friendly manner its not racist?

[Southside]

so i i where to call my mexican buddies beaners in a friendly manner its not racist?

I cant speak on Mexicans because I'm not Mexican, but every culture/society has their views on what's acceptable.

I'm not fully Black, Im Half Puerto Rican and I know around my Hispanic friends we crack little jokes like "Where's (insert name), did he get deported?" or " How was the swim over the Rio Grande?". When its light hearted and in a friendly manner I don't see the problem.

[ComfortableInChaos]

I don't understand why, and I've noticed this on multiple different occasions, online especially, but when other races, specifically black people think it's okay to call white people a 'cracker' and make it seem like it's not a racial slur when it is.

Can we just get rid of racial slurs and get over ourselves being different skin tones?

[Babs]

I think I read something about why it's okay for black people using it but not white people. It's called reclaiming a slur. What it said was some black people used it to take away it's negative power while whitepeople using it gave the power back or something, because white people used the word to oppress black people for centuries.
I'm not the most qualified to speak on this subject though. I personally don't have a strong opinion on this but I think if there's one type of person who shouldn't use the word, it's white people.

[rtw1997]

I agree with you 100%. I have always found it abhorrent how many blacks throw the N word around like it's nothing, and then have the audacity to lecture whites about how we can't use it. And they also seem to get away with calling us "crackers" and all the other names in the book, too, and get of scot-free doing so.

[ksdnfkfr]

I think the bottom line is a lot of people are bothered by either version.
I think there must be black people who don't like any version of it either.
I think either version gets said for shock value in a lot of cases.
I'm sure at work if anyone called a fellow employee either version, they would get fired for saying it.

[Melodic]

If it offends a person, you shouldn't use it. If it doesn't offend them, then use it if you must. It's basic science, people will get offended and have feelings according to different things. Honestly, I prefer not to address people by words that have a slight possibility of offending them.

[thatcountrykid]

I cant speak on Mexicans because I'm not Mexican, but every culture/society has their views on what's acceptable.

I'm not fully Black, Im Half Puerto Rican and I know around my Hispanic friends we crack little jokes like "Where's (insert name), did he get deported?" or " How was the swim over the Rio Grande?". When its light hearted and in a friendly manner I don't see the problem.

so if youre only half black the why is it nerdyguy710 just doesnt know the culture when hes half black just like you.

[Southside]

so i i where to call my mexican buddies beaners in a friendly manner its not racist?

It is not a FULL racial slur, but a watered down racial slur. I understand that you use it to mean "friend" or whatever, but the fact still resides it you take the -er and replace, it with an -a it's still the same word as before, just with a little bit of the negative connotative meaning taken away.

so if youre only half black the why is it nerdyguy710 just doesnt know the culture when hes half black just like you.

I live in a majority black part of Chicago, I listen to hip-hop, I use the "N" Word on a daily basis. I don't know where he's from or what he does but he obviously doesn't understand the culture if he said " so why the heck do blacks call each other niggers".

If he understood the culture he understand that no Black person calls one another the "er" variation of the word. He even admitted that "Nigga" is a somewhat of the same word without the negative connotation.

[Lovelife090994]

Honestly I hate profanity in general. If people were more educated then they wouldn't need to resort to low-born speech. Besides, Black or not, don't say it to me unless you really want that heart and head of yours hurt.

Yes I wish the word was utterly wiped out from the English language (Like someone else here said)

Good luck cleaning up every language in existence then of it's vitriol.

[thatcountrykid]

I live in a majority black part of Chicago, I listen to hip-hop, I use the "N" Word on a daily basis. I don't know where he's from or what he does but he obviously doesn't understand the culture if he said " so why the heck do blacks call each other niggers".

If he understood the culture he understand that no Black person calls one another the "er" variation of the word. He even admitted that "Nigga" is a somewhat of the same word without the negative connotation.

so your streotyping your self? i didnt know hip hop was a uniwely black trait. maybe he just doesnt tolerate racial slurs regarless of two letters

[Southside]

so your streotyping your self? i didnt know hip hop was a uniwely black trait. maybe he just doesnt tolerate racial slurs regarless of two letters

How am I stereotyping myself? You come through my neighborhood you don't hear Heavy Metal or dubstep, that's a fact.

Maybe you don't understand the culture either, I'll leave it at that. I just don't understand how you keep pushing the way we say it as a racial slur when it's clearly not used that way. We turned the word into something positive for anyone to use, and as I said before I wouldn't take offense if a white person called me that.

[thatcountrykid]

How am I stereotyping myself? You come through my neighborhood you don't hear Heavy Metal or dubstep, that's a fact.

Maybe you don't understand the culture either, I'll leave it at that. I just don't understand how you keep pushing the way we say it as a racial slur when it's clearly not used that way. We turned the word into something positive for anyone to use, and as I said before I wouldn't take offense if a white person called me that.

ok so thats speaking for you and your buddies but not every one. and its not a fact its a probability and a stereotype.

[Southside]

ok so thats speaking for you and your buddies but not every one. and its not a fact its a probability and a stereotype.

Alright well you walk through the South or West side of Chicago and tell me if you hear a car speeding down a block blasting Katy Perry or Metallic. You go to a skating rink or a hangout spot here and tell me if you hear Avril Lavigne or Paramore. You'd have a better chance of winning the lottery honestly man.

Just like if I came through rural Colorado, what's the probability of me hearing Nas or Biggie?

[thatcountrykid]

Alright well you walk through the South or West side of Chicago and tell me if you hear a car speeding down a block blasting Katy Perry or Metallic. You go to a skating rink or a hangout spot here and tell me if you hear Avril Lavigne or Paramore. You'd have a better chance of winning the lottery honestly man.

Just like if I came through rural Colorado, what's the probability of me hearing Nas or Biggie?

im not saying its not true im simply saying its not a fact its an opinion/stereotype

[Southside]

im not saying its not true im simply saying its not a fact its an opinion/stereotype


So if I say most inner-city black kids prefer Hip-Hop/Rap that'd be a stereotype? We can continue this in PM or VM if you'd like, kinda getting off topic.

[thatcountrykid]

So if I say most inner-city black kids prefer Hip-Hop/Rap that'd be a stereotype? We can continue this in PM or VM if you'd like, kinda getting off topic.

an opinion or stereotype depending on who says. and no i don not wish to continue

[chess123]

Personally I don't use it and tell other people not to, but I find it so hypocritical when black people who do say it get offended when other people do. In my opinion the first step towards making people not use a word, is to not use it yourself. Which is why I personally don't say it.

What's worse though is when white people are covering a black artists song which uses the word, and are expected to change the lyrics because they are white. It just annoys me tbh.

Your thoughts?
Well I take a different view on this then most othere people on this feed because I grew up in and live in between two small Alberta redneck towns where we haveonly 2 black people between th two towns. And as well all the people are older rasist Ukrainians who are too bullheaded to change their ways. So OK I don't see how a black man calling another black man a nigga or a nigger because I have heard both is any less racist then myself calling a black man a nigger or a gook or anything else. I just ain't get how it can be any less racist depending on the colour of your skin when you say it.

[Vlerchan]

It seems like everyone is just misunderstanding what Southside has to say:

It's the intent in which and context within that a word is used that grants it meaning.

Here's a blog post (http://phatfriend.com/tag/nigga/) written by a DJ that I like (he did Aesop Rock's early beats) which I think explains it quite well.

[Bull]

Using words which is disrespectful to a race, ethnic group, gender, age group, sexual orientation, etc. is wrong and should not be used by anyone, including members of said group. "What the world needs now is love."

[Typhlosion]

I like how Southside distinguished "Nigger" from "Nigga", and agree with him on that. There are times where the usage may be negative and times where it may not. Language is fluid, not confined to the definitions of an aged dictionary.

The former has an intent on being offensive, while the latter doesn't.

[Pulp501]

I'm white, and sometimes I say nigga to my friends, white and black. Most people don't really get offended if you aren't trying to use it as a racial slur, and it's pretty obvious when you are. I think black people have used it as a term of endearment for so long that now that's what it is. black people that don't like white people using it because they say it's "our word" that's wrong. Words can't be owned, and it just separates each other.

[Babs]

My white brother has said nigga around my 2 black siblings. They don't seem to be bothered, or at least not enough to say anything about it. I'm sure it would be different if he used the -er version. Like Southside said, there's a difference.
I think my brother sounds ignorant when he uses it but I don't say anything because I listen to songs with the word in it and it'd probably be hypocritical of me.

[Svan]

I wish we could bake a cake of rainbows and smiles and not call anyone the n-word.

[Gigablue]

I don't really care. I've been called both forms, both jokingly by friends, and by people trying to insult me. I honestly don't find it offensive. If someone thinks they can offend me by commenting on the colour of my skin, they are sorely mistaken.

I don't think there is as big difference between the forms as other people are saying. Sure ’nigga’ is generally used with less offensive intent than ’nigger’, but really, both can be used in different situations. The context and the intent are more significant than the final few letters.

My friends call me ’nigga’ fairly often, which is ironic considering all of them are white. It's not offensive in the slightest. I sometimes use it when talking about them, though it's usually to make a joke. Some people may see this as a sign of baseness or coarseness, but I don't. I can speak formally who required by the situation, but when talking with my friends, I will speak the way I want. That may include significant amounts of profanity, but as long as no one is offended, I don't see the issue.

There is still a significant amount of racism in the world, and that is what I find legitimately offensive. I don't care what people call me; I do care if I am discriminated against. Instead of people worrying about words, we should deal with actual racism. Instead of trying to eradicate certain words from the English language, which will never happen, we should accept them, and try to take the offensiveness out of the word.

[UnknownError]

Bump because I just seen this: http://www.tmz.com/2014/08/06/kanye-west-deposition-photographer-beating-rant/

Goldberg grills Kanye about his song, "Flashing Lights," -- a rant against the paparazzi. Goldberg quotes from the song, "Till I get flashed by the paparazzi, damn, these ni**as got me."

At that point Kanye interrupts, "You have to ask for a hall pass. You can't just say the 'n' word around me." adding, "It offends me because you're a white person saying 'ni**a.'"

[Vlerchan]

Kanye West being an utter twat is not news.

[Dalcourt]

If been called the n-word a few times by white people but I'm not really offended by it that much honestly...I sometimes use it ironically when arguing with racist people. However I don't like it when someone says it cuz for a lot of black people it is very offensive.
I hardly ever use nigga when talking to other blacks...I don't like the hip hop gangsta slang and don't really talk like that at all.

However I know a lot of blacks who say nigga a lot and totally freak out when white people say it, I think it is kinda foolish but I won't argue with them...tried it once but there arguments where just irrational to me.

[Lovelife090994]

If been called the n-word a few times by white people but I'm not really offended by it that much honestly...I sometimes use it ironically when arguing with racist people. However I don't like it when someone says it cuz for a lot of black people it is very offensive.
I hardly ever use nigga when talking to other blacks...I don't like the hip hop gangsta slang and don't really talk like that at all.

However I know a lot of blacks who say nigga a lot and totally freak out when white people say it, I think it is kinda foolish but I won't argue with them...tried it once but there arguments where just irrational to me.

In my experiences, the Blacks using the n-word use it a thrown around word with no ill intentions as if to reclaim the slut. But whenever I've seen a White person use, they were meaning to defame the Black person. Especially in Texas.

[Dalcourt]

In my experiences, the Blacks using the n-word use it a thrown around word with no ill intentions as if to reclaim the slut. But whenever I've seen a White person use, they were meaning to defame the Black person. Especially in Texas.

I know that they just want to reclaim the slur but it's kinda overdone sometimes...and of course the whites use it to defame us but why should I be more offended by being called the n-word than by being called dunno asshole, slut or whatever? As I'm mixed-race and get racist remarks from blacks and Latinos, too I personally couldn't care less about the n-word, but my Dad really hates it and I respect that.

[Lovelife090994]

I know that they just want to reclaim the slur but it's kinda overdone sometimes...and of course the whites use it to defame us but why should I be more offended by being called the n-word than by being called dunno asshole, slut or whatever? As I'm mixed-race and get racist remarks from blacks and Latinos, too I personally couldn't care less about the n-word, but my Dad really hates it and I respect that.

I'm not mixed, but I look it, my mom looks it and she isn't mixed either. What are you mixed with? In my experiences I ignore hate and never hate back. That never works. Be offended if you want, but that doesn't help anything. Blacks are not going to stop using the n-word probably anytime soon I hate to say. You can't make curse words illegal.

[TheN3rdyOutcast]

Kanye West being an utter twat is not news.

Thank you for being intelligent. I wish that the paparazzi would not make a whole news story every time a celebrity says something stupid.

[Meganium]

I'm black, and to this day I've never heard anybody use it to offend someone in person. And my school uses it so casually it's almost kinda funny.

I think it's easy enough to tell if someone has intentions to offend you with their words. Be it a slur or not, it all depends on the mouth saying it.

[Body odah Man]

Personally I don't use it and tell other people not to, but I find it so hypocritical when black people who do say it get offended when other people do. In my opinion the first step towards making people not use a word, is to not use it yourself. Which is why I personally don't say it.

What's worse though is when white people are covering a black artists song which uses the word, and are expected to change the lyrics because they are white. It just annoys me tbh.

Your thoughts?

I heard somewhere that they get to use it cuz they do it without malice and cuz they're the same race. When us Caucasions do it it counts as racist cuz of the slavery days years ago (nigger was a derisive term for them) and cuz we're of a different race. It's why I find social conduct so bewildering

[trustn01]

I personally think that it is offensive only if you make it offensive. If no-one got offended by it, it would loose it's negative meaning and would be used just as often as "african-american" is.

[Hyper]

Making a big deal out of the use of a derogatory word just empowers the people who are using it to actually disrespect a person based on ethnicity, religion, sexuality or anything else.

That is also why blacks use the word ''differently'' it is a way of minimalizing it and ''fighting back''

Of course that really isn't the case anymore but that's where the whole ''problem'' or OPs problem originates from.

I do believe in absolute freedom of speech so I think that if any word is culturally and socially okey to use by one group of people it must be okey to use by all groups of people.

[coolkid016]

I think I'm more than qualified to explain, we only get offended when the racist variation of the word is used. I have a few white friends and they use the non-racist variation of the word and no one cares. As Blacks we say the "N" Word just as everyone else says "dude", "bro", "man".

Example: "Nigga, lets go to the store after school", "My nigga, what you been up to?"

Its two different variations of the "N" Word, of course Nigg** and Nigga, we use "Nigga". I don't see anything wrong if a white person uses it the way we use it, it's when it's used as a racial slur its wrong.

As Tupac Shakur best explained,

Never
Ignorant
Getting
Goals
Accomplished

i agree as i am black also.. a caucasian kid in 7th grade called me a nigg»% and that was the worst ive ever cursed someone out.. but that was when i moved to south carolina from new york....

[micheal951]

I think it should just be wiped, simple as, it makes the person sound stupid. I am not saying they ARE stupid, just sound stupid when they say it, there is no justifiable reason to use the word.

[Mastretta]

Shut up, shut up, Slavery, seragation of just not blacks but also Asians and any other POC, also claiming things that don't even belong to your culture, what really is annoying is when white people have the privilege to not be discriminated for trying to get a cab at night in the rain, not be followed through a store, to be a convicted felon and still get a job position before a black men with no felony and even higher credentials. So stop crying about you can't saying a word that originally meant to degrade my people and still is used.

[Dalcourt]

Shut up, shut up, Slavery, seragation of just not blacks but also Asians and any other POC, also claiming things that don't even belong to your culture, what really is annoying is when white people have the privilege to not be discriminated for trying to get a cab at night in the rain, not be followed through a store, to be a convicted felon and still get a job position before a black men with no felony and even higher credentials. So stop crying about you can't saying a word that originally meant to degrade my people and still is used.

Lol, that's all so true.

[Vlerchan]

... also claiming things that don't even belong to your culture ...
It's not part of 'black' culture.

It's part of 'inner-city working class' culture, as Southside spent pages explaining.

[Mastretta]

It's not part of 'black' culture.

It's part of 'inner-city working class' culture, as Southside spent pages explaining.

Learn to read before you become a keyboard warrior,it's in general not just about a word, for example, "hip hop" artistes Iggy Azealia, Riff Raff, Miley cyrus, Kreyshawn, and more treat hip hop like it's a joke and/or get praised for doing the same thing that other rappers are doing that are way more better while whites continue to be mediocre at almost everything while every POC has to work 50x harder to get half of what a non poc can get. So again stop whining because you can't take something else from different a cultures after countless times. And stay yo ... in Ireland, trying to prove me wrong.

[JustJordan]

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Learn to read before you become a keyboard warrior,it's in general not just about a word, for example, "hip hop" artistes Iggy Azealia, Riff Raff, Miley cyrus, Kreyshawn, and more treat hip hop like it's a joke and/or get praised for doing the same thing that other rappers are doing that are way more better while whites continue to be mediocre at almost everything while every POC has to work 50x harder to get half of what a non poc can get. So again stop whining because you can't take something else from different a cultures after countless times. And stay yo ... in Ireland, trying to prove me wrong.
I agree with you but cool down a little man xD.

[Mastretta]

I agree with you but cool down a little man xD.

I'm calm :metal:. I'm just tired of seeing this topic be brought countless times and the people are always repeating the same thing over and over again.

[Vlerchan]

Learn to read before you become a keyboard warrior,it's in general not just about a word.
Right. I don't care about 'in general'.

I'm just re-stating that 'nigga' doesn't belong to strictly black culture.

... for example, "hip hop" artistes Iggy Azealia, Riff Raff, Miley cyrus, Kreyshawn, and more treat hip hop like it's a joke and/or get praised for doing the same thing that other rappers are doing that are way more better while whites continue to be mediocre at almost everything while every POC has to work 50x harder to get half of what a non poc can get.
In general, mainstream music is mediocre. I can direct you to some good white underground rappers if you want.

I also don't disagree that racism still exists in America. I've argued it does before on this board.

So again stop whining because you can't take something else from different a cultures after countless times.
I don't want to word 'nigga' ingrained into everyday Irish discourse.

I'm explaining that it already exists within the discourse of inner-city working-class people in general, and this extends beyond blacks (and includes whites). Your idea that it's a strictly 'black' word and strictly belongs to 'black' culture does not stand up to the reality of today.

And stay yo ... in Ireland, trying to prove me wrong.[/CENTER]
What?

[Bleid]

Shut up, shut up, Slavery, seragation of just not blacks but also Asians and any other POC, also claiming things that don't even belong to your culture, what really is annoying is when white people have the privilege to not be discriminated for trying to get a cab at night in the rain, not be followed through a store, to be a convicted felon and still get a job position before a black men with no felony and even higher credentials. So stop crying about you can't saying a word that originally meant to degrade my people and still is used.

So your reasoning is that white people have it better than black people, so they shouldn't complain about not being able to say a word?

A bit non sequitur.

[Mastretta]

So your reasoning is that white people have it better than black people, so they shouldn't complain about not being able to say a word?

A bit non sequitur.
Is it not true? Why do you care that you have privileged be happy. And I said POC meaning anyone who is not white like Asians,Hispanics, blacks etc.

Right. I don't care about 'in general'.

I'm just re-stating that 'nigga' doesn't belong to strictly black culture.


In general, mainstream music is mediocre. I can direct you to some good white underground rappers if you want.

I also don't disagree that racism still exists in America. I've argued it does before on this board.


I don't want to word 'nigga' ingrained into everyday Irish discourse.

I'm explaining that it already exists within the discourse of inner-city working-class people in general, and this extends beyond blacks (and includes whites). Your idea that it's a strictly 'black' word and strictly belongs to 'black' culture does not stand up to the reality of today.


What?
I'm 100% sure "Nigga" is apart of black culture, it's a variation of negro which is the Spanish word for black, but was negro turned into the slur "Nigg**" that then was reclaimed and turned into the word that everyone want's to say but again don't wanna be treated like a Nigga. And if you don't want "Nigga" to be used in Ireland why did you even post on here about some foolishness?

Please do not double post. Either use the 'multiquote' or the 'edit' buttons to reply to multiple posts. ~Typhlosion

[Vlerchan]

I'm 100% sure "Nigga" is apart of black culture.
Lots of black people use the word "Nigga" - but these people are a subset of inner-city working-class people in general.

How the words historical origins relate back to blacks is entirely irrelevant to its common usage now.

And if you don't want "Nigga" to be used in Ireland why did you even post on here about some foolishness?
Because you're incorrect.

It's not about be wanting to use it. It's about people accepting that within certain cultural contexts the words usage is socially acceptable by all individuals regardless of skin colour.

[Mastretta]

Lots of black people use the word "Nigga" - but these people are a subset of inner-city working-class people in general.

How the words historical origins relate back to blacks is entirely irrelevant to its common usage now.


Because you're incorrect.

It's not about be wanting to use it. It's about people accepting that within certain cultural contexts the words usage is socially acceptable by all individuals regardless of skin colour.

So what you're saying is that the black people who say "Nigga" live in the projects/low income areas?? Mostly all my friends that are black which are majority live in middle class to affluent neighborhoods say Nigga, so what you just did is what is called generalizing. And yes the orgin of the word does matter because you just said "Nigga" doesn't belong to blacks when it does, it matters because everything we do it's copied..

[Bleid]

Is it not true?

Don't have any interest in if it's true or not.

Why do you care that you have privileged be happy.

I don't.

And I said POC meaning anyone who is not white like Asians,Hispanics, blacks etc.

Also irrelevant.

My statement was that the reasoning provided here:

Shut up, shut up, Slavery, seragation of just not blacks but also Asians and any other POC, also claiming things that don't even belong to your culture, what really is annoying is when white people have the privilege to not be discriminated for trying to get a cab at night in the rain, not be followed through a store, to be a convicted felon and still get a job position before a black men with no felony and even higher credentials. So stop crying about you can't saying a word that originally meant to degrade my people and still is used.

Is flawed.

[Vlerchan]

So what you're saying is that the black people who say "Nigga" live in the projects/low income areas??
That was bad phrasing.

My point was that in certain cultural contexts it's socially acceptable for all people regardless of skin colour.

It's not just a word for blacks.

And yes the orgin of the word does matter because you just said "Nigga" doesn't belong to blacks when it does it matters because everything we do it's copied..
Right. I don't support your vanity-fuelled promotion of linguistic segregation regardless of the historical origins of certain words.

No word belongs to any one group of people. It's frankly just ridiculous to believe so.

[Mastretta]

Don't have any interest in if it's true or not.



I don't.



Also irrelevant.

My statement was that the reasoning provided here:



Is flawed.

You said it was "Non Sequitur" Which just means it doesn't relate to the OP argument, but it does.

That was bad phrasing.

My point was that in certain cultural contexts it's socially acceptable for all people regardless of skin colour.

It's not just a word for blacks.


Right. I don't support your vanity-fuelled promotion of linguistic segregation regardless of the historical origins of certain words.

No word belongs to any one group of people. It's frankly just ridiculous to believe so.
Yes you're correct on how a word does not belong to a group of people but to be respectful for the past and what is still going on now you don't say it or should feel the need everyone should be able to say so. But try to say "Nigga" when you weren't brought up around blacks and you would get decked for speaking reckless:).

Please do not double post. Either use the 'multiquote' or the 'edit' buttons to reply to multiple posts. ~Typhlosion

[Bleid]

You said it was "Non Sequitur" Which just means it doesn't relate to the OP argument, but it does.

Incorrect. I said your reasoning was non sequitur in and of itself. Not that it didn't relate to the original poster's statement.

Specifically, I am saying that:

Whether or not one race is treated better than another in certain societies is irrelevant towards the case of a certain ethnicity being allowed to use a word.

[Mastretta]

Incorrect. I said your reasoning was non sequitur in and of itself. Not that it didn't relate to the original poster's statement.

Specifically, I am saying that:

Whether or not one race is treated better than another in certain societies is irrelevant towards the case of a certain ethnicity being allowed to use a word.

I'm saying that whites have it easier at everything and when they can't be apart of ONE thing they get really defensive, I'm sure you're like the many people who don't read a whole argument before trying to rebuttal.

[Bleid]

I'm saying that whites have it easier at everything and when they can't be apart of ONE thing they get really defensive, I'm sure you're like the many people who don't read a whole argument before trying to rebuttal.

I've read every post of yours and everyone else's in this thread. I understand exactly what you're saying, and what I'm saying, again, is that

it is irrelevant as to whether or not white people have it easier than anyone else.

The use of a word has nothing to do with social well-being.

[Mastretta]

I've read every post of yours and everyone else's in this thread. I understand exactly what you're saying, and what I'm saying, again, is that

it is irrelevant as to whether or not white people have it easier than anyone else.

The use of a word has nothing to do with social well-being.
Oh my gosh you don't understand;reading doesn't mean you comprehend what you read and I see you can't comprehend I what I'm attempting to educate you on.

[Bleid]

Oh my gosh you don't understand;reading doesn't mean you comprehend what you read and I see you can't comprehend I what I'm attempting to educate you on.

I do comprehend what I read. I read,

Shut up, shut up, Slavery, seragation of just not blacks but also Asians and any other POC, also claiming things that don't even belong to your culture, what really is annoying is when white people have the privilege to not be discriminated for trying to get a cab at night in the rain, not be followed through a store, to be a convicted felon and still get a job position before a black men with no felony and even higher credentials. So stop crying about you can't saying a word that originally meant to degrade my people and still is used.

And I can still tell you with complete certainty, this reasoning simply doesn't work.

Feel free to educate me, though.

[Mastretta]

Is this my education?

I'm disappointed.
Me too, I'm really disappointed that you don't understand; it shows how our education system is garbage :rolleyes:

[Bleid]

Me too, I'm really disappointed that you don't understand; it shows how our education system is garbage :rolleyes:

I've asked you to explain it to me. It's not my fault that you haven't.

You presented your statements, I explained that the reasoning was non sequitur, and then you just kept stating you'd "educate me" and that I can't read instead of actually providing me with why you're correct.

So, go ahead. Educate me, because I'm ignorant.

[JustJordan]

Me too, I'm really disappointed that you don't understand; it shows how our education system is garbage :rolleyes:

All he is saying is that whether or not one race has it off easier than another, that has nothing to do with this topic. There is no need for immaturity as you are just portraying yourself as uneducated....Don't portray yourself as uneducated.

[lyhom]

All he is saying is that whether or not one race has it off easier than another, that has nothing to do with this topic. There is no need for immaturity as you are just portraying yourself as uneducated....Don't portray yourself as uneducated.

Hell, this Ellis kid has made a (likely jokingly, although it really doesn't matter) racist statement in this thread (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2910543&postcount=77) already, so at this point he's either a troll or just incredibly clueless of the concept of serious debate.

Anyways, my thoughts on the original topic of the thread are similar to what Gigablue (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2888415&postcount=42) was saying earlier, so I have nothing to really add. :P

[Mastretta]

All he is saying is that whether or not one race has it off easier than another, that has nothing to do with this topic. There is no need for immaturity as you are just portraying yourself as uneducated....Don't portray yourself as uneducated.
Okay I'll explain, what I used is what is called a sub-point which is used in debate/speech to add additional information onto your argument. My claim(argument) never was that because of white privilege that whites can't say "Nigga" but it does tie in with my argument, because when you say nigga you're saying that you face the lifestyle of being a nigga so if you don't wanna be nigga keep it out your mouth is my overall argument.



Anyways, my thoughts on the original topic of the thread are similar to what Gigablue (http://www.virtualteen.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2888415&postcount=42) was saying earlier, so I have nothing to really add. :P[/QUOTE]
I don't care anymore, all what this thread has become of is just pointing out flaws out of someones arugement and not even a semi decent argument, which I live for.

-merged double post. Please use the "edit" or "multi-quote" buttons. -Emerald Dream.

[Bleid]

Okay I'll explain, what I used is what is called a sub-point which is used in debate/speech to add additional information onto your argument. My claim(argument) never was that because of white privilege that whites can't say "Nigga" but it does tie in with my argument, because when you say nigga you're saying that you face the lifestyle of being a nigga so if you don't wanna be nigga keep it out your mouth is my overall argument.


I'm confused by what you mean when you say

because when you say nigga you're saying that you face the lifestyle of being a nigga

What is this "lifestyle" first of all?

Second, what does it mean to "face the lifestyle of"?

And lastly,

if you don't wanna be nigga keep it out your mouth is my overall argument.

You'll need to clarify what exactly you mean here. It'll probably be explained when you explain the "lifestyle" bit.


Edited:

I don't care anymore, all what this thread has become of is just pointing out flaws out of someones arugement and not even a semi decent argument, which I live for.

Hate to break it to you, but, that's an absolutely necessary part of discussion and argumentation. Someone presents their argument, and then someone else argues against it.

[JustJordan]

Okay I'll explain, what I used is what is called a sub-point which is used in debate/speech to add additional information onto your argument. My claim(argument) never was that because of white privilege that whites can't say "Nigga" but it does tie in with my argument, because when you say nigga you're saying that you face the lifestyle of being a nigga so if you don't wanna be nigga keep it out your mouth is my overall argument.
I underdtood that that wasn't your claim but all I was saying was that you didn't have to act so immature in your responses as people will think of you that way. Do you mean working class blacks as the lifestyle of being a nigga? I'm confused...

[Perfectly Flawed]

Honestly, I don't think most black people are truly offended when the "n-word" is said in a joking manner. The issue is when they don't know the person who said it or it's said in negative context. I assume most black people have dealt with plenty of racism in their life, including the use of the "n-word" as a derogatory term. When something is used against you for years by ignorant people, it can start to annoy you when you hear it and don't know if it's in good spirit or not. Because of this, I never use the word in day to day conversation, but on the off chance that I use it, I make sure there is context for it and nobody will take offence.

It's polite to not use derogatory terms unless you make sure it's okay with the people around you.