Selective. Service.

[TheN3rdyOutcast]

I first heard in the 8th grade that in 'Murica, all males are REQUIRED BY LAW to enlist in the Selective Service by age 18. I believe it a hould be abolished because.
A. Enough brainwashed people sign up for the military to fulfill the quota.
B. It's not fair that the 18 year old females don't have to sell their souls to the government too.
C.Forcing me into the military violates many of my basic freedoms.
D. If ever there is a need for more pawns to be slaughtered, the people with an unpaid debt to society should be chosen first, I'm talking to you jailbirds.
E. Honestly, I'd rather cut my own head off with a plastic butterknife than join the military, and if I get chosen for the draft in a future war, I will commit a messy and violent suicide in the middle of a room of innocent children.

So what dk you think, Should the Selctive Service be abolished, or at least changed?

[Harry Smith]

what about defending your country? We need people to fight and die to ensure that oil companies get a fair share

[Gamma Male]

Yes, it should be completely abolished. If I get enlisted in the draft and someone trys to force me to fight, I will defend myself with lethal force. I'll go to prison before I'll join the military.

[Ethe14]

"Ask not what you country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country"
~John F Kennedy

Personally I don't like the draft but if that's what it takes for me to keep my country alive and all it's citizens that that's what I'll have to do. I'll never free willingly go into the force but if there's a draft there's a damn good reason why it's there.

[Stronk Serb]

They got rid of that here. They can only issue you a call to arms, but you don't have to accept it. You just have to apply that you are capable of serving, but that's for measuring manpower and things like that. They can't force you to fight. Here there is no compulsory draft anymore, only if you want to. If I don't get into the army via academy, I will serve the draft and apply for a full-time job and work from there.

[Harry Smith]

but if there's a draft there's a damn good reason why it's there.

Tell that to the 50,000 odd Americans who died in Vietnam, that had the draft to get more troops

[lacrossebro14]

If you people are not willing to defend your country why the hell do you live in it?

[Harry Smith]

If you people are not willing to defend your country why the hell do you live in it?

Do you pick where your parents give birth?

[lacrossebro14]

Do you pick where your parents give birth?

No but you do have the option to leave whatever country you live in so answer my previously stated question if you're not willing to defend your country why do you live in it ?

[Harry Smith]

No but you do have the option to leave whatever country you live in so answer my previously stated question if you're not willing to defend your country why do you live in it ?

why should you be forced to leave? In 2003 were the soldiers defending their country? No they were fighting to secure oil for big business, in Vietnam were they defending their country? No they were getting involved in a civil war where they supported an evil fascist dictator.

[lacrossebro14]

why should you be forced to leave? In 2003 were the soldiers defending their country? No they were fighting to secure oil for big business, in Vietnam were they defending their country? No they were getting involved in a civil war where they supported an evil fascist dictator.

If you're not willing to contribute to society you do not deserve the benefits that a country has to give you so Yes you should be forced to leave why should you get to stay in a country that your not willing to defend or support Why should you get to stay in a country and not support it while others have died to support and defend their country and and the whole oil conspiracy is a load of bullshit made up by liberals who protest the war on terrorism so yet again why do you stay in a country your not willing to support

[Camazotz]

If you're not willing to contribute to society you do not deserve the benefits that a country has to give you so

Not being a part of the military doesn't mean you're not contributing to society. And if that's the idea of American patriotism, I really wouldn't want to live here.

Yes you should be forced to leave why should you get to stay in a country that your not willing to defend or support Why should you get to stay in a country and not support it while others have died to support and defend their country

If the US decided to nuke every country in the world and go to war against every non-American, I would have to support that decision? I have to support people that I don't agree with?

This doesn't make any sense, I'm guessing that you don't support Obamacare, so would you go to war to defend Obamacare? And if you didn't want to die for it, then you'd be forced to leave?

...and the whole oil conspiracy is a load of bullshit made up by liberals who protest the war on terrorism so yet again why do you stay in a country your not willing to support

I shouldn't have to volunteer my life for anything that I'm not willing to fight for. That's what America is about: individual freedoms, not the pro-war propaganda that you've been fed.

[lacrossebro14]

Not being a part of the military doesn't mean you're not contributing to society. And if that's the idea of American patriotism, I really wouldn't want to live here.



If the US decided to nuke every country in the world and go to war against every non-American, I would have to support that decision? I have to support people that I don't agree with?

This doesn't make any sense, I'm guessing that you don't support Obamacare, so would you go to war to defend Obamacare? And if you didn't want to die for it, then you'd be forced to leave?



I shouldn't have to volunteer my life for anything that I'm not willing to fight for. That's what America is about: individual freedoms, not the pro-war propaganda that you've been fed.

I Have not been fed pro-war propaganda it's just common sense if your not willing to work for something you dont deserve it you don't deserve the security that a country has to give you

[Camazotz]

I Have not been fed pro-war propaganda it's just common sense if your not willing to work for something you dont deserve it you don't deserve the security that a country has to give you

So anyone that hasn't worked for the US government in national security doesn't belong in the US?

[lacrossebro14]

No what I'm stating is that if your not will to fight for your country when they call you for draft then you don't deserve the security that you get from that country. So anyone that hasn't worked for the US government in national security doesn't belong in the US?

[Microcosm]

Selective service is the government's backup plan for absolute dire situations. Selective service is not going to be used unless it is absolutely necessary. That being said, I think it is just one of the many prices we pay for our freedom and protection under the constitution.

[lacrossebro14]

Selective service is the government's backup plan for absolute dire situations. Selective service is not going to be used unless it is absolutely necessary. That being said, I think it is just one of the many prices we pay for our freedom and protection under the constitution.

That's what I exactly believe in unlike most people

[Camazotz]

No what I'm stating is that if your not will to fight for your country when they call you for draft then you don't deserve the security that you get from that country.

So if you're a pacifist, you don't get to live in the US?

[Microcosm]

That's what I exactly believe in unlike most people

No matter how screwed up this country gets. We still have to support it because, like it or not, it supports us.

[lacrossebro14]

No matter how screwed up this country gets. We still have to support it because, like it or not, it supports us.


Exactly you just summed up my whole argument

So if you're a pacifist, you don't get to live in the US?

In my opinion no you dont get to live here because if you're not willing to help your country when your country needs you why should a country help you when you need it


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[Camazotz]

No matter how screwed up this country gets. We still have to support it because, like it or not, it supports us.

How does it support us? Like, what does that even mean?

In my opinion no you dont get to live here because if you're not willing to help your country when your country needs you why should a country help you when you need it

So anyone who has religious beliefs that don't allow for killing have to leave as well... Umm, that's a lot of people.

[lacrossebro14]

How does it support us? Like, what does that even mean?



So anyone who has religious beliefs that don't allow for killing have to leave as well... Umm, that's a lot of people.

What religion ?

and the country supports us by protecting our freedoms and protecting us from foreign and domestic harm

[Camazotz]

What religion ?

and the country supports us by protecting our freedoms and protecting us from foreign and domestic harm

Islam, Judaism, and Christianity, to name three.

The country also invades other countries and kills innocent people. They protect us by conquering others?

[Microcosm]

How does it support us? Like, what does that even mean?

They protect your rights and pass your laws and while you sit on your couch eating twinkies they are the ones providing safety for you in a free country.

[lacrossebro14]

Islam, Judaism, and Christianity, to name three.

The country also invades other countries and kills innocent people. They protect us by conquering others?

Islam promotes killing none believers
Christianity promotes not killing the innocent
And Judaism fallows the teachings of Jesus which supposedly in the Bible and the dead sea scrolls Jesus once said "sell your cloak for a sword"

so No those three are not against killing completely
And Yes to protect something you have to conquer something it's been done for hundreds
of years

They protect your rights and pass your laws and while you sit on your couch eating twinkies they are the ones providing safety for you in a free country.

Lol someone that I actually agree with


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[Camazotz]

They protect your rights and pass your laws and while you sit on your couch eating twinkies they are the ones providing safety for you in a free country.

They? That doesn't make any sense. The government isn't a person or multitude of people, it's an ideological system. Not every soldier is fighting for freedom, some are doing it for a stable job, some are doing it because they want to kill foreigners, etc.

Islam promotes killing none believers
Christianity promotes not killing the innocent
And Judaism fallows the teachings of Jesus which supposedly in the Bible and the dead sea scrolls Jesus once said "sell your cloak for a sword"

so No those three are not against killing completely
And Yes to protect something you have to conquer something it's been done for hundreds
of years

1. Islam does not promote the killings of non-believers, that's a bigoted and racist claim.
2. Christianity says: "Thou shalt not kill."
3. Judaism does not follow the teachings of Jesus, don't believe he was the Messiah because he did not meet the prophecies by Isiah and Ezekiel.

"Men who would be classified as Conscientious Objectors (https://www.sss.gov/fswho.htm) if they were drafted must also register with Selective Service. If a draft begins and they are called, they would have the opportunity to file a claim for exemption from military service based upon their religious or moral objection to war."

[lacrossebro14]

They? That doesn't make any sense. The government isn't a person or multitude of people, it's an ideological system. Not every soldier is fighting for freedom, some are doing it for a stable job, some are doing it because they want to kill foreigners, etc.



1. Islam does not promote the killings of non-believers, that's a bigoted and racist claim.
2. Christianity says: "Thou shalt not kill."
3. Judaism does not follow the teachings of Jesus, don't believe he was the Messiah because he did not meet the prophecies by Isiah and Ezekiel.

"Men who would be classified as Conscientious Objectors (https://www.sss.gov/fswho.htm) if they were drafted must also register with Selective Service. If a draft begins and they are called, they would have the opportunity to file a claim for exemption from military service based upon their religious or moral objection to war."







Actually in the Old Testament it says thou shall not kill the innocent

And in the Quran it says it's okay to lie to infidels and stone infidels infidels being non believers
So that argument went out the window

[Camazotz]

Actually in the Old Testament it says thou shall not kill the innocent

Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image.
— Genesis 9:6 (ESV)

And in the Quran it says it's okay to lie to infidels and stone infidels infidels being non believers
So that argument went out the window

Find me that verse. Like I said before, that claim is anti-Islam propaganda and extremely racist and bigoted.

"It may be that God will grant love (and friendship) between you and those whom ye (now) hold as enemies. For God has power (over all things), and God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

God does not forbid you, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for God loves those who are just."

(Quran 60:7-8):

[Gamma Male]

In my opinion no you dont get to live here because if you're not willing to help your country when your country needs you why should a country help you when you need it



1. Islam does not promote the killings of non-believers, that's a bigoted and racist claim.

"

Sure it does. There's nothing racist or bigoted about recognizing what's right there in the Qur'an.
Quran (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Quran (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.

Quran (8:15) - "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them. (16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."

There are hundreds of verses in the Qur'an that call for the murder of non believers, treating women as objects, etc. I know most Muslims are good people who don't "interpret" these verses to mean that, but there's no denying that they're there.

I could just as easily point to similar verses in the old and new testaments.

[Camazotz]

Sure it does. There's nothing racist or bigoted about recognizing what's right there in the Qur'an.


There are hundreds of verses in the Qur'an that call for the murder of non believers, treating women as objects, etc. I know most Muslims are good people who don't "interpret" these verses to mean that, but there's no denying that they're there.

I could just as easily point to similar verses in the old and new testaments.

True, though all these verses, in context, have to do with religious wars against Islam already, not necessarily killing innocent people. Same with Christianity and Judaism, the accepted killings are for defending their religious land and their people, not waging war against infidels.

[TheN3rdyOutcast]

No but you do have the option to leave whatever country you live in so answer my previously stated question if you're not willing to defend your country why do you live in it ?

How exactly would a 15 year oldmgo about leaving the country unsupervised, let alone surviving in a foriegn country.

If a mod comes through here, could they lock this, it's just turning into another religious battle.

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[Camazotz]

If a mod comes through here, could they lock this, it's just turning into another religious battle.

Click the ! button in any post, and just say you want it closed, it's faster for mods to find that way.

[lacrossebro14]

Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed, for God made man in his own image.
— Genesis 9:6 (ESV)



Find me that verse. Like I said before, that claim is anti-Islam propaganda and extremely racist and bigoted.

"It may be that God will grant love (and friendship) between you and those whom ye (now) hold as enemies. For God has power (over all things), and God is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

God does not forbid you, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for God loves those who are just."

(Quran 60:7-8):

Exodus 22:1-31 "If a man steals an ox or a sheep, and kills it or sells it, he shall repay five oxen for an ox, and four sheep for a sheep. If a thief is found breaking in and is struck so that he dies, there shall be no bloodguilt for him"

Quran: {The infidels are your sworn enemies Sura 4:101}
Quran {Prophet, make war on the infidels Sura 66: 9}
Quran {Never be a helper to the disbelievers Sura 28:86}
yet again your argument is invalid and don't call me a racist or a bigot If you don't have all the facts

So can I fairly say we can agree to disagree


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[Cygnus]

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