Internet Privacy Concerns

[Ethe14]

So hey all what's your opinion on the internet privacy debate? Personally I don't care if they are spying on me or whatever. If they are so interested in spying on my phone calls that involve just saying I'll be there in just a minute, texting my friends saying lets get on xbox then so be it. I'm not a criminal so I shouldn't have any reason to hide what I do from the government. The second part of this is private companies selling your information I also don't care about that either. Your opinion?

[Kurgg]

I don't also care about government spying me, as long as it is unnoticeable. Issue is not same though with private companies. Private persons are not allowed to spy another persons so why should private companies to be allowed? There is a huge difference between government and companies. Former spies because of security, latter because of profit.

Selling information should be banned.

[ozteen]

Hehe, some of the crap l post will be enough to confuse anyone and they'll leave me alone!!!!

[Stronk Serb]

I don't like a foreign/my government spying on me. I have no criminal record and I don't plan any attacks against other governments.

[Mynick]

I don't like a foreign/my government spying on me. I have no criminal record and I don't plan any attacks against other governments.
100% agree.
And i'll just post this Some stupid stuff they do with your info... (http://thehackernews.com/2014/07/nsa-employees-routinely-pass-around.html)

[Ethe14]

100% agree.
And i'll just post this Some stupid stuff they do with your info... (http://thehackernews.com/2014/07/nsa-employees-routinely-pass-around.html)

While yes it's lame that they do that I still don't care, great pass down nude pics it only shows how weird that person is.

[Gamma Male]

I'm strictly against government spying. I still believe in the fifth amendment. The government has absolutely no right to collect the private information of good citizens without due cause and a warrant. It's a violation of individual rights. Who I call, what I text, what emails I receive, what websites I go to, are none of the governments business so long as I'm not hurting anyone other than myself.

[CosmicNoodle]

I'm strictly against government spying. I still believe in the fifth amendment. The government has absolutely no right to collect the private information of good citizens without due cause and a warrant. It's a violation of individual rights. Who I call, what I text, what emails I receive, what websites I go to, are none of the governments business so long as I'm not hurting anyone other than myself.

This, spot on, hate that they spy, pisses me off to no end, my data is my data, not fuckong yours so keep your oversized nose out of my business

[Elvalight]

Invasion of privacy :( As innocent civilians who haven't done anything suspicious or illegal, there's no reason some strangers should spy on us. They should be focusing on actual dangerous people, not random people with no criminal record.

[mrmee]

I'm strictly against government spying. I still believe in the fifth amendment. The government has absolutely no right to collect the private information of good citizens without due cause and a warrant. It's a violation of individual rights. Who I call, what I text, what emails I receive, what websites I go to, are none of the governments business so long as I'm not hurting anyone other than myself.

Ureaka! A post of yours I actually agree with! The US has its nose so far up everyone's woohoo, it's not even funny. Even if I did have a criminal record, I would still have my personal rights. That means no, spying, tracking, or making endless copies of all my data "for future reference"

[Gamma Male]

Ureaka! A post of yours I actually agree with! The US has its nose so far up everyone's woohoo, it's not even funny. Even if I did have a criminal record, I would still have my personal rights. That means no, spying, tracking, or making endless copies of all my data "for future reference"

Dammit, I was hoping you would disagree with me so I could use this meme.
http://selfdeprecate.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/nsa-dont-tread-on-me-cartoon.jpg

Its good right? :lol:

[TheGuest]

Sometimes I feel like im being stalked by the NSA because of my political views....jk

[Stronk Serb]

While yes it's lame that they do that I still don't care, great pass down nude pics it only shows how weird that person is.

So would you like your pictures to be used as jerk-off material in the NSA offices?

[peyton2000]

I don't think they look at everybody probably just a terrorist thing

[Living For Love]

I don't mind being spied by the government, it actually gives me a certain sense of security. I'm not a criminal, I have nothing to hide, and I think it's good that they are actually spying on people in order to find those with "less good intentions". Guys like Snowden and Assange should simply be arrested and jailed for the crimes they've committed. And, honestly, I don't think all that crap about companies such as Facebook, Google and YouTube keeping your information and selling it around scares anyone anymore. Right, I post a picture on Facebook, and even though I might delete it some seconds later, I know that it will stay stored forever in their servers somewhere in California. So what? I trust more in Facebook and NSA that in certain people around me.

[Stronk Serb]

I don't mind being spied by the government, it actually gives me a certain sense of security. I'm not a criminal, I have nothing to hide, and I think it's good that they are actually spying on people in order to find those with "less good intentions". Guys like Snowden and Assange should simply be arrested and jailed for the crimes they've committed. And, honestly, I don't think all that crap about companies such as Facebook, Google and YouTube keeping your information and selling it around scares anyone anymore. Right, I post a picture on Facebook, and even though I might delete it some seconds later, I know that it will stay stored forever in their servers somewhere in California. So what? I trust more in Facebook and NSA that in certain people around me.

So you're okay with companies and foreign counter-intelligence services storing every byte of your internet activity, tracing you and selling your info? So they can plant bugs and cameras in your house because it's a matter of security? They can plant microships in your brain so that you think as they want you to? You see where all this leads.

[Ethe14]

I don't mind being spied by the government, it actually gives me a certain sense of security. I'm not a criminal, I have nothing to hide, and I think it's good that they are actually spying on people in order to find those with "less good intentions". Guys like Snowden and Assange should simply be arrested and jailed for the crimes they've committed. And, honestly, I don't think all that crap about companies such as Facebook, Google and YouTube keeping your information and selling it around scares anyone anymore. Right, I post a picture on Facebook, and even though I might delete it some seconds later, I know that it will stay stored forever in their servers somewhere in California. So what? I trust more in Facebook and NSA that in certain people around me.

yup I agree with you completely, I have nothing to hide so why should it bother me. Now if I were a criminal then that would be a different story. :P

So you're okay with companies and foreign counter-intelligence services storing every byte of your internet activity, tracing you and selling your info? So they can plant bugs and cameras in your house because it's a matter of security? They can plant microships in your brain so that you think as they want you to? You see where all this leads.

placing cameras inside my home and in my brain is a different story. That would be invasion of privacy.

[Stronk Serb]

yup I agree with you completely, I have nothing to hide so why should it bother me. Now if I were a criminal then that would be a different story. :P



placing cameras inside my home and in my brain is a different story. That would be invasion of privacy.

And how is this not an invasion of privacy? Tracing, listening and saving your phone calls, saving every single byte of internet data related to you, probably breaking into your computer... They can pretty much get your whole life with the click of a button. If you don't stop now, it'll go to bugs and cameras inside your home to behaviour-control microchips inside your brain. The more you are OK with someone encroaching on your privacy the more they will encroach.

[Living For Love]

So you're okay with companies and foreign counter-intelligence services storing every byte of your internet activity, tracing you and selling your info?
Yes, like I said, I have nothing to hide. I don't know why they would be interested in my internet activity, though, but that's their problem.

So they can plant bugs and cameras in your house because it's a matter of security? They can plant microships in your brain so that you think as they want you to? You see where all this leads.
That's a totally different thing, we're talking about Internet privacy, not private property. If it gets to the point that they have to plant bugs and cameras in someone's house, then that person surely has to be some kind of suspect. And the idea of planting microchips inside someone's brain looks pretty unlikely to me, at least in the near future.

[Stronk Serb]

Yes, like I said, I have nothing to hide. I don't know why they would be interested in my internet activity, though, but that's their problem.


That's a totally different thing, we're talking about Internet privacy, not private property. If it gets to the point that they have to plant bugs and cameras in someone's house, then that person surely has to be some kind of suspect. And the idea of planting microchips inside someone's brain looks pretty unlikely to me, at least in the near future.

They could have your whole life with one click of a button because they took every byte from your internet and PC activity. They can use your pictures as office jerk-off material. If you allow them this, they will go to greather lengths.

[Living For Love]

They could have your whole life with one click of a button because they took every byte from your internet and PC activity. They can use your pictures as office jerk-off material. If you allow them this, they will go to greather lengths.

I simply don't care. Why would my boring life be so interesting to them? Those people live on the other side of the world, they can't bore me. And as far as I know, they will only have access to those pictures if I place them on Internet first, and I'm not that kind of person who posts and shares every single aspect of their life with everyone online, nor the kind of person who places that kind of pictures on the Internet. And even if I did, I wouldn't care if they decided to masturbate while looking at them or something, though it seems a quite stupid thing to do, to be honest.

[ChaseDakoda]

This, spot on, hate that they spy, pisses me off to no end, my data is my data, not fuckong yours so keep your oversized nose out of my business

GUILTY
I have a GF i really do know in person we are one and a hafe hours away so we talk about everything and swap clean pictures so ya like COS said I agree

[Stronk Serb]

I simply don't care. Why would my boring life be so interesting to them? Those people live on the other side of the world, they can't bore me. And as far as I know, they will only have access to those pictures if I place them on Internet first, and I'm not that kind of person who posts and shares every single aspect of their life with everyone online, nor the kind of person who places that kind of pictures on the Internet. And even if I did, I wouldn't care if they decided to masturbate while looking at them or something, though it seems a quite stupid thing to do, to be honest.

Because if they think you are a threat, they can pretty easily find you. You don't get it. On all social networks and on Google, they store everything and sell it to the NSA. If the NSA thinks you are a threat, even though you aren't, they can take you to Guantanamo on a lively vacation in a torture cell.

[Ethe14]

Because if they think you are a threat, they can pretty easily find you. You don't get it. On all social networks and on Google, they store everything and sell it to the NSA. If the NSA thinks you are a threat, even though you aren't, they can take you to Guantanamo on a lively vacation in a torture cell.

Luckily I'm a U.S citizen which means a right to a fair trial. Besides I don't think they have taken any innocent normal citizens to Guantanamo.

[Harry Smith]

Luckily I'm a U.S citizen which means a right to a fair trial. Besides I don't think they have taken any innocent normal citizens to Guantanamo.

I hope this is sarcasm haha

[Ethe14]

I hope this is sarcasm haha

It's not, granted your in the U.K but have you read the United States constitution?

[Living For Love]

Because if they think you are a threat, they can pretty easily find you. You don't get it. On all social networks and on Google, they store everything and sell it to the NSA. If the NSA thinks you are a threat, even though you aren't, they can take you to Guantanamo on a lively vacation in a torture cell.

Ok, now I'm honestly not sure if you're just messing with me or not, but considering you aren't, why the bloody hell would the NSA take a boring kid like me to Guantanamo? I assure you, the NSA and the American Government have way too more serious things to deal with, they don't give a crap about common citizens like us, fortunately. You've just stated: "if they think you are a threat, they can pretty easily find you". Well, that's awesome, because if I was a terrorist, for instance, they would find me, arrest me and possibly prevent a mass murder attack.

[Harry Smith]

It's not, granted your in the U.K but have you read the United States constitution?

I have, and it's not worth the paper it's written on.

On your other point as a UK citizen I find it amazing you could say....

I don't think they have taken any innocent normal citizens to Guantanamo.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaker_Aamer

He was a married lawyer, who was simply working for a charity in Afganistan. That's the big problem-90% of the people were kidnapped and sold to the US forces simply because they were in Afghanistan

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/dec/15/americans-face-guantanamo-detention-obama

[Ethe14]

I have, and it's not worth the paper it's written on.

On your other point as a UK citizen I find it amazing you could say....



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaker_Aamer

He was a married lawyer, who was simply working for a charity in Afganistan. That's the big problem-90% of the people were kidnapped and sold to the US forces simply because they were in Afghanistan

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/dec/15/americans-face-guantanamo-detention-obama

Great but he's not a U.S citizen, I don't agree with the U.S's foreign policy and that should never happened but I don't know of any normal innocent U.S citizens begin taken into Guantanamo. He is still a Saudi, having a residence in the UK does not mean citizen.

[Harry Smith]

Great but he's not a U.S citizen, I don't agree with the U.S's foreign policy and that should never happened but I don't know of any normal innocent U.S citizens begin taken into Guantanamo. He is still a Saudi, having a residence in the UK does not mean citizen.

He's got citizen rights in the UK, there were more UK citizens held

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_detainees_at_Guantanamo_Bay

Do you think the British Government should be able to torture US citizens purely because they're not British?

[Stronk Serb]

Luckily I'm a U.S citizen which means a right to a fair trial. Besides I don't think they have taken any innocent normal citizens to Guantanamo.

They did. A Muslim taxi driver who works 12 hours a day to feed his family gets arrested and sent to Guantanamo just because his nationality is Afghan, Arab, Iraqi etc. Even though he is a US citizen, he gets treated worse then an animal. Also during the Cold War the US imprisoned countless socialists and communists for their political ideas. They were innocent.

Ok, now I'm honestly not sure if you're just messing with me or not, but considering you aren't, why the bloody hell would the NSA take a boring kid like me to Guantanamo? I assure you, the NSA and the American Government have way too more serious things to deal with, they don't give a crap about common citizens like us, fortunately. You've just stated: "if they think you are a threat, they can pretty easily find you". Well, that's awesome, because if I was a terrorist, for instance, they would find me, arrest me and possibly prevent a mass murder attack.

Not really. They can imprison you and sent you to Guantanamo without charges. What if someone rose against their tyranny, that would be a terrorist to them, but to others he would ve a freedom fighter. Look at Nelson Mandela for example. He was branded a terrorist by the UK, USA and South Africa, but he fought the apartheid with means of terror.

[Living For Love]

Not really. They can imprison you and sent you to Guantanamo without charges. What if someone rose against their tyranny, that would be a terrorist to them, but to others he would ve a freedom fighter. Look at Nelson Mandela for example. He was branded a terrorist by the UK, USA and South Africa, but he fought the apartheid with means of terror.

"American tyranny"? There's no such thing. And I really hope you're not comparing Apartheid in Africa with USA's current situation, because there's no possible comparison, not to mention that when Mandela was in power, Internet and online communications were practically inexistent and unavailable to public use.

[Harry Smith]

"American tyranny"? There's no such thing.

Oh please, that's worse than the 'beacon of hope' comment we had before.

You want to see American Tyranny look at the 2000 election, look at the death of RFK in 1968, look at fucking 1960's when students were shot for protesting. I could list 101 examples of how the US is a definition of both domestic and foreign tyranny

[Stronk Serb]

"American tyranny"? There's no such thing. And I really hope you're not comparing Apartheid in Africa with USA's current situation, because there's no possible comparison, not to mention that when Mandela was in power, Internet and online communications were practically inexistent and unavailable to public use.

Don't put words in my mouth. I never compared the Apartheid with the USA. The Americans bombed the shit out of Serbia, Iraq, Libya, Aghanistan, Vietnam etc. without caring for civilians. Harry also gave good examples of domestic tyranny. Not to mention that this Internet spying is in gross violation of the US constitution.

[Living For Love]

Oh please, that's worse than the 'beacon of hope' comment we had before.

You want to see American Tyranny look at the 2000 election, look at the death of RFK in 1968, look at fucking 1960's when students were shot for protesting. I could list 101 examples of how the US is a definition of both domestic and foreign tyranny

Oh, God, no more childish conspiracy theories please. Are you also going to tell me that Neil Armstrong never stepped on the moon in 1969?

Don't put words in my mouth. I never compared the Apartheid with the USA. The Americans bombed the shit out of Serbia, Iraq, Libya, Aghanistan, Vietnam etc. without caring for civilians. Harry also gave good examples of domestic tyranny. Not to mention that this Internet spying is in gross violation of the US constitution.
US foreign policy has nothing to do with this discussion. Feel free to explain how Internet spying violates US Constitution.

[Harry Smith]

Oh, God, no more childish conspiracy theories please. Are you also going to tell me that Neil Armstrong never stepped on the moon in 1969?

No-I'm not. I'm going to tell you that you're naive as fuck and need to stop sucking off the US like a babe on a teat. Rather than answer the claim you've tried to strawman it by making the classic claim that belief in one theory means belief in all (ironic coming from the person who believes in the conspiracy theory that the CIA/Mossad had no prior knowledge of 9/11 and that Saddam Hussein in your own words funded Al-Qaeda)

There hardly childish, the most progressive, reformist candidate who had enemies in the CIA just happens to get shot, they didn't interview the security guard who had his gun out at the scene. CIA officials were present on the night for god sake-even Nixon knew that they killed him

The thing with Florida isn't a conspiracy at all-it's a fact. The Governor was Bushs' brother, the floor controller at Fox was Bush's cousin and the Supreme court was picked by guess what-Bushs' father. That's the definition of corrupt

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/jan/29/uselections2000.usa

Feel free to explain how Internet spying violates US Constitution.

http://www.businessinsider.com/nsa-spying-violated-the-constituion-2013-6

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/federal-judge-says-nsa-program-appears-violate-constitution-f2D11751613

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,[a] against unreasonable searches and seizures

Having the NSA go through you're computer is an unreasonable search and seizure by law, especially considering the bulk storage of it

[Stronk Serb]

Oh, God, no more childish conspiracy theories please. Are you also going to tell me that Neil Armstrong never stepped on the moon in 1969?


US foreign policy has nothing to do with this discussion. Feel free to explain how Internet spying violates US Constitution.

The fifth amendment clearly states that the citizems pf the USA will not be spied upon by the government or it's agencies. So the NSA's phone tapping and internet spying is illegal by constitution.

[Living For Love]

No-I'm not. I'm going to tell you that you're naive as fuck and need to stop sucking off the US like a babe on a teat. Rather than answer the claim you've tried to strawman it by making the classic claim that belief in one theory means belief in all (ironic coming from the person who believes in the conspiracy theory that the CIA/Mossad had no prior knowledge of 9/11 and that Saddam Hussein in your own words funded Al-Qaeda)

There hardly childish, the most progressive, reformist candidate who had enemies in the CIA just happens to get shot, they didn't interview the security guard who had his gun out at the scene. CIA officials were present on the night for god sake-even Nixon knew that they killed him

The thing with Florida isn't a conspiracy at all-it's a fact. The Governor was Bushs' brother, the floor controller at Fox was Bush's cousin and the Supreme court was picked by guess what-Bushs' father. That's the definition of corrupt

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2001/jan/29/uselections2000.usa

Like I said, US foreign policy has nothing to do with this thread's main topic, nor has all that nonsense about CIA, Bush and Robert Kennedy. I'd advise you to keep that unsubstantiated hatred of the USA to yourself because I'm simply not going to bother discussing it. Let me know when you finally realise you live on the XXIst century and not on some fucking fairytale made up in your mind.

http://www.businessinsider.com/nsa-spying-violated-the-constituion-2013-6

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/other/federal-judge-says-nsa-program-appears-violate-constitution-f2D11751613

Having the NSA go through you're computer is an unreasonable search and seizure by law, especially considering the bulk storage of it

That's funny, considering it comes from someone who said the American Constitution is not worth the paper it's written on. NSA exists to protect American people. The means don't really matter considering how much the USA is a potential target of terrorists attacks, either externally and internally. But well, considering you're someone who support terrorism and terrorists, I understand why you're against NSA methods of ensuring national security, so I'm not really impressed.

[Jean Poutine]

Luckily I'm a U.S citizen which means a right to a fair trial. Besides I don't think they have taken any innocent normal citizens to Guantanamo.

Tom : "So the Constitution provides you with the right to privacy in your dealings with the government but said government tramples on that right every day by spying on you. What if they unfairly target you by profiling you using information they should never have had access to, or what if the government turns around and sells this information to private companies?"

Dick : "Well, Tom, thankfully I'm an American citizen and the Constitution provides me with the right to due process. I have the right to petition the courts and to be heard in a fair manner."

Harry : "Dick, you're a moron. That's also violated every day."

That's funny, considering it comes from someone who said the American Constitution is not worth the paper it's written on. NSA exists to protect American people. The means don't really matter considering how much the USA is a potential target of terrorists attacks, either externally and internally. But well, considering you're someone who support terrorism and terrorists, I understand why you're against NSA methods of ensuring national security, so I'm not really impressed.

Oh yes, the ends justifies the means, so it's okay to spy on everybody because after all, not only the information obtained will never be misused, but if you're not a criminal you have nothing to fear!

Would you be happy living in Airstrip One in 1984?

Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety. - Ben Franklin

[Harry Smith]

. Let me know when you finally realise you live on the XXIst century and not on some fucking fairytale made up in your mind.
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Lol at this, I live in the 21st hence why I'm not a cold war baby who wants uncle sam to love me.

I think this is the third time you've looked at the evidence and actually failed to respond. It's from hatred of the united states that I presented this, it's hatred of the right wing of the united states. I wanted Gore to win in 2000, and I like many others feel that he was cheated.

http://www.factcheck.org/2008/01/the-florida-recount-of-2000/

The study also found that Gore probably would have won, by a range of 42 to 171 votes out of 6 million cast, had there been a broad recount of all disputed ballots statewide.

That's funny, considering it comes from someone who said the American Constitution is not worth the paper it's written on

My personal views don't matter, you asked how does it breach the constitution and I gave you an answer, don't complain when people answer your points

considering you're someone who support terrorism and terrorists,

Please tell me how did the Unites States become a country in 1780? Oh yeah by using terrorism, also pretty ironic from someone who supports use of chemical weapons

[Living For Love]

My personal views don't matter, you asked how does it breach the constitution and I gave you an answer, don't complain when people answer your points
They don't, but question wasn't even directed to you. And if you put it that way, shouldn't we consider what Snowden did in 2013 a crime as well?

[Harry Smith]

They don't, but question wasn't even directed to you. And if you put it that way, shouldn't we consider what Snowden did in 2013 a crime as well?

If you don't want me to answer it don't post it on a public forum. It's pretty clear now that the NSA breaches the Constitution, in fact federal judges have even admitted this.

I'm of the opinion that Snowden should be prosecuted if he returns

[Living For Love]

If you don't want me to answer it don't post it on a public forum. It's pretty clear now that the NSA breaches the Constitution, in fact federal judges have even admitted this.

I'm of the opinion that Snowden should be prosecuted if he returns
Why? Do you feel obligated to answer all my posts now? If the NSA breaches the Constitution, then it should be changed, considering how much technological improvements have changed the society.

[Harry Smith]

Why? Do you feel obligated to answer all my posts now? If the NSA breaches the Constitution, then it should be changed, considering how much technological improvements have changed the society.

As a former moderator myself, I know that you have no right to ask me why I chose to reply to a post, or why I don't. You have no right to ask that

[Living For Love]

As a former moderator myself, I know that you have no right to ask me why I chose to reply to a post, or why I don't. You have no right to ask that
Sorry if I offended you, then.

[mrmee]

Dammit, I was hoping you would disagree with me so I could use this meme.
image (http://selfdeprecate.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/nsa-dont-tread-on-me-cartoon.jpg)

Its good right? :lol:

Hahaha. That made my day. Although it is 2:26 am, so not that hard at this point.