My teacher showed us this during class (Since it's near the end of the year.)

[Karagor]

A lot of big words, but what do we think? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U)

[CosmicNoodle]

Very interesting, Ive thought for as very long time our current education system was broken, for instance, when I wass 9 my IQ was tested and put as far superious to anyone of my age group, but I spent the hole of high school in classes full of the stupid people. And only now that Ive got to a college enviroment where we can learn in whatever way takes out facy, have I become any good at anything. That is a prome example of whats wrong with our current system.

[Silicate Wielder]

NOTE: This is from my perspective, and how I find things work for me.

Interesting, and I do agree with this mostly, I've been to many schools and some work differently from others

on the extreme side of testing kids individually, where there are no lessons taught and its every man for themself, I can learn well but I dont exactly stay on track and get lost with what I am supposed to do, and when I need to do tests and what paperwork I need to do.

but on the other hand where it's all group work except for tests and the exceptionally rare at-home assignments (which I find works extremely well, depending on the teacher's teaching style) so I have seen both ends of the spectrum. within reasonable limits for group based work.

compared to the common system of quite litterally this (In order of events):
- Pay attention to your lesson
- do your paperwork
- complete homework
- test, if you fail retest
- repeat

also on the fact that kids diagnosed with ADHD, the medicine DOES seriously make you feel like a zombie and your always tired, which in turn has a negative impact on your mood for the day.

however without it and the lessons arent appealing and boring or we arent doing group work we cant pay attention. and that as a result causes lower grades and another negative impact on your mood unless your one who doesn't care about school and grades.

This medicine depending on what you take, can cause you to be over emotional, tired, lose appetite, gain weight, and/or be tired.

[Kacey]

As CosmicNoodle said, our system treats everyone the same. There should at least be more diversity before college. In Italy, they get to choose what "path" they want to take, and then only take the classes that directly apply to that.

[Microcosm]

Thanks for sharing this. It really changed my perspective on modern education.

[HUSTLEMAN]

A lot of big words, but what do we think? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDZFcDGpL4U)

Very interesting, Ive thought for as very long time our current education system was broken, for instance, when I wass 9 my IQ was tested and put as far superious to anyone of my age group, but I spent the hole of high school in classes full of the stupid people. And only now that Ive got to a college enviroment where we can learn in whatever way takes out facy, have I become any good at anything. That is a prome example of whats wrong with our current system.

NOTE: This is from my perspective, and how I find things work for me.

Interesting, and I do agree with this mostly, I've been to many schools and some work differently from others

on the extreme side of testing kids individually, where there are no lessons taught and its every man for themself, I can learn well but I dont exactly stay on track and get lost with what I am supposed to do, and when I need to do tests and what paperwork I need to do.

but on the other hand where it's all group work except for tests and the exceptionally rare at-home assignments (which I find works extremely well, depending on the teacher's teaching style) so I have seen both ends of the spectrum. within reasonable limits for group based work.

compared to the common system of quite litterally this (In order of events):
- Pay attention to your lesson
- do your paperwork
- complete homework
- test, if you fail retest
- repeat

also on the fact that kids diagnosed with ADHD, the medicine DOES seriously make you feel like a zombie and your always tired, which in turn has a negative impact on your mood for the day.

however without it and the lessons arent appealing and boring or we arent doing group work we cant pay attention. and that as a result causes lower grades and another negative impact on your mood unless your one who doesn't care about school and grades.

This medicine depending on what you take, can cause you to be over emotional, tired, lose appetite, gain weight, and/or be tired.

As CosmicNoodle said, our system treats everyone the same. There should at least be more diversity before college. In Italy, they get to choose what "path" they want to take, and then only take the classes that directly apply to that.


Can I come to Italy?

All jokes aside I laughed at a bit of this because every word he said is true. The current education system we have today is boring us to death. I have two friends D and T. They are two of the smartest people I know and they have ADHD and ADD respectively and do they make the best grades, hell no and I do not blame them. They are teaching us material that will have no relevancy to our lives whatsoever and I'm sick of it. The thing is that, some our teachers KNOW that A LOT of the tings that they are teaching us are pointless. Is it so hard for the head educators in our states to do this:

Elementary School: Teach the basics- Literature (Modern Reading and Writing) Math( PEMDAS, Beginners Algebra, Pre Geometry) Science( Biology, Chemistry, Physics) Social Studies( Economics, Culture, History, Geography) Electives ( PE, Computer Lab, Creative Writing, Pre Foreign Language, etc.)

Middle School: Go into a bit more depth with each subject and start to separate them into a core field of study which caters to their current career choice Literature( Classical Reading and Writing) Math (Advanced Algebra, Geometry, Trig, maybe a bit of Pre-calc) Science ( Earth Science, Astronomy, More focus on Biology, Chemistry, Physics) Social Studies, (American/World History, Geography of World Regions, Population Patterns, More focus on Economics, Geography) Foreign Language (Whatever they like-Spanish, German, Chinese, Russian, etc.) Electives (Honor Society, 3D Design, Model UN, Sports, Robotics, Video Game Design, Foreign Language Clubs, Chemistry/Physics Clubs, Art Clubs, etc.)

High School- Let the students decide what he/she wants to do in the future and let HIM/HER choose what classes that'll be good for HIM/HER. For Example I want to be a Historian/ Politician so my core of classes would be focused on the histories of different regions around the world while studying a combo law, public policy, economics, speechmaking, debating, consumer needs and wants, and a bit of Psychology and Philosophy, along with a few teaching courses

And for college, more in depth courses on want you want, better electives, and a lot of internships.

And you we can still keep programs such as AP, IB, A-Levels, etc. for the students who want to know everything all at one.

Finally, what we need is better teachers. Charismatic teachers who know about the subject they are teaching who are not only able to be fun while teaching but can control their classroom at the same and encourage their students to succeed, and oh yeah TEACH!!

What is so hard about that? We get to learn what we want to learn, stay focused, and succeed. What do you guys think?

P.S. Get rid of all the random testing, all it is doing is stressing us out.

[Jean Poutine]

Many people don't even know what they want to do with their life in college, making people choose in middle school is lunacy and pretty much a waste of time.

Everyone whines at the education system all the time, but what they don't realize is that the "pointless" shit you learn isn't there on its own merits, it's there because it helps develop thinking skills and abilities. I'm never, ever gonna use algebra ever again now that I'm out of high school. I totally didn't need to learn it. But when you treat it as a puzzle then you start to see the value in it. Crossword puzzles are pointless too but they are good brain exercise. This "pointless" stuff helps organize the mind and teach it to handle abstract ideas. Abstract thinking being, of course, quite a bit of what makes us human.

People whine at the teachers but you go ahead and try to be one, it's really not that easy and perhaps if you people didn't give them so much trouble, they would care more about you. Maybe if you looked just a bit farther than your own navel you'd realize that teachers are paid like absolute ass, got out of teacher school with soul crushing debt and wake up every morning to deal with ignorant, cretinous teens who will disrespect them, be violent with each other then blame them, disrupt class every 5 seconds, and it's 30 against 1, and that's when they aren't slapped with lawsuits for failing a student (it has happened) or because they lightly grabbed a student around the wrist to stop him from hitting another student. Then they have to deal with bullies and victims, students with mental health deficiencies, troubled homes, physical special needs, etc. You are lucky there are any teachers at all, it's a shit job and I honestly would never do it. Stop blaming it all on the teachers, any person lasting 10 years in the biz is a fucking hero, but of course everyone is just too conceited to realize it.

Then people bitch and moan at the curriculum but don't realize it's not the State's job to educate you in whatever you want and to offer every and any kind of elective you might want (wtf robotics in middle school are you stoned?) The State's sole job is to educate and shape your brain just enough to be a productive member of society, the rest is all up to you, maybe if they are nice they will pay your tertiary education too but only because you'll get a better job, win more money then pay more taxes. School's a mold and your mind's the clay. If you don't like the curriculum at school then just educate yourself. School gives everyone who listens enough critical thinking skills to be able to gauge the value of information and select whatever's relevant and factually true. If you can't do that alone and must rely on teachers chewing up information in easy-to-manage pieces and regurgitating it down your throats, have fun with your GED and your future job as a Wal-Mart greeter.

I'm not saying school as it is, is perfect, but people blow the thing way out of proportion. It's your brain. School gives you a foundation but you're the one that has to actually build what's inside it, and as far as foundations go, it could be worse.

[welsh91]

Very interesting, Ive thought for as very long time our current education system was broken, for instance, when I wass 9 my IQ was tested and put as far superious to anyone of my age group, but I spent the hole of high school in classes full of the stupid people. And only now that Ive got to a college enviroment where we can learn in whatever way takes out facy, have I become any good at anything. That is a prome example of whats wrong with our current system.

Id believe you more if you didn't spell like a 9 year old

[CosmicNoodle]

Id believe you more if you didn't spell like a 9 year old

Im dyslexic dip-shit, look in my signiture.....
Since your ignorant to the subject I shall educate you, if you can bring yourself to put up with my spelling, it is impossible to be a stupid dyslexic, it is litterally impossible to be stupid if your dyslexic. Very often the IQ of a dyslexic is higher than average, mine is. Or is it still hard to believe?

If you dont believe me, I have MANY people on this site who will agree that Im not some illiterate cretin, and that I am in fact inteligent.

And may I remind you that the smartest man who has ever lived couldnt read or write till the age of 9.....

[goodnightxmoonx]

Just wanted to say that on the topic of treating students the same: in my previous school district in New York, twenty-something of the brightest fourth-grade students are brought to a single class, where they learn in an environment full of brighter students than regular classes. Of course, the teacher also teaches some more advanced things, but I think that it has a lot to do with the environment. During my time there (I was only in the program for one year, due to moving out, but most others stay on from 4th to 6th grade), I met a lot of really smart people. True, once we all got to junior high, we would all be among the people who needed more help, but at least there there were honors classes.

I don't deny that I was very lucky to be in that school district, but I always felt horrible when the parents of the not-so-bright voted to cut the budget of this program. Yes, it doesn't benefit your child; but it benefits these thirty children who stand to gain so much...

Anyway, on another facet: my current school is awful (rant coming, sorry). Half of the time I wish I could transfer to a private school (yes. very expensive... aah i know it's not a possibility just wishful thinking). The problem with my current school is that in Taiwan, finding teachers who can speak English is very difficult. Add that with a public-school budget (and a very limited one too, at that!) and you've literally got yourselves a recipe for disaster. Think about it. The parents are educated PhD scientists, engineers, and professors and they want the best for their children at a public school price. So the dollars are stretched really far because the school has restrictions on tuition increases and the teachers are subpar at best, because all the best ones have gone to the higher-paying private schools... I've met only one great great wonderful teacher in my years here, and she was only here because she couldn't pass a Teacher's math qualification exam, but she was GREAT at what she did, teaching us Civics and Chinese Social studies...

Anyway, I'm sorry for the incohesive rant & ramblings... :whoops::whoops::whoops: but yeah. I also got a bit off-topic... :P