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phuckphace
July 11th, 2014, 04:39 AM
...and nationalism too, since that's always fun.

a recent conversation I had with a friend got me thinking about the crucial role that populism has (or should have) in the nationalist movement. this friend of mine is an IRL Neo-Nazi, complete with a swastika flag on his wall and a poster of der Führer. seriously. anyway, although he and I agree on quite a few things, there was always this thing about his rhetoric that bugged me but I couldn't quite put my finger on it. then slowly I realized it was that my friend, like pretty much everyone else in the Neo-Nazi movement, is way over his head in a personality cult. they have these big fanciful dreams where a strong charismatic leader shows up and kills everyone they don't like. they don't ever ponder how this would affect the ordinary citizen who will be feeling the sharp end of their proposed policies. I guess because they always imagine themselves in charge. although I admit that is a fun thought experiment to indulge in every now and then, you have to look at everything both ways.

so yeah - nationalism, without a strong focus on obtaining the greatest good for the greatest number of citizens (populism) won't last long if all it's just built around a cult of one man. what are you dipshits going to do after the Big Man dies? nationalist movements that are motivated by fear and loathing rather than strong populist foundations and goals simply won't last more than a generation, if that. if nationalism is to succeed, we need to adopt the "greater good" stance first and make every effort to distinguish ourselves from the "I really hate that guy" folks.

Stronk Serb
July 11th, 2014, 05:19 AM
I know a few Neo-Nazis. We have similar views except Ein Volk. Ein Reich and all that extermination stuff. That bunch would beat up all of Belgrade if I said someone harassed me. Nothing can last without the people wishing it to last. If the people actively strive for it, it will happen.

Gamma Male
July 11th, 2014, 01:06 PM
That's the problem. I'm not opposed to Nationalism per se, but all too often(in the american south at least) these nationalistic, MURICA FUCK YEAH! type folks really don't care about the citizens of America at all, they just parrot Ted Cruz and fox news and their other favorite idols and assume everyone that disagrees with them hates America.

Stronk Serb
July 11th, 2014, 04:25 PM
That's the problem. I'm not opposed to Nationalism per se, but all too often(in the american south at least) these nationalistic, MURICA FUCK YEAH! type folks really don't care about the citizens of America at all, they just parrot Ted Cruz and fox news and their other favorite idols and assume everyone that disagrees with them hates America.

Those are chauvinists. Imbeciles who glorify America while spitting on everyone else

Kurgg
July 12th, 2014, 12:38 AM
I can agree 100% with that text. Any kind of political movement cannot last if it concentrates to one person, and true nationalist cares about his fellow countrymen.

CosmicNoodle
July 14th, 2014, 01:59 PM
That's the problem. I'm not opposed to Nationalism per se, but all too often(in the american south at least) these nationalistic, MURICA FUCK YEAH! type folks really don't care about the citizens of America at all, they just parrot Ted Cruz and fox news and their other favorite idols and assume everyone that disagrees with them hates America.

Yup^
I believe the term your looking for is stupid people. You can't just presume your country's awesome, there is no such thing. Every country has up sides and downsides.

thatcountrykid
July 14th, 2014, 03:12 PM
That's the problem. I'm not opposed to Nationalism per se, but all too often(in the american south at least) these nationalistic, MURICA FUCK YEAH! type folks really don't care about the citizens of America at all, they just parrot Ted Cruz and fox news and their other favorite idols and assume everyone that disagrees with them hates America.


For future reference many conservatives despise Fox News because of their desire for a story without all the facts.

phuckphace
July 20th, 2014, 08:12 PM
I can agree 100% with that text. Any kind of political movement cannot last if it concentrates to one person, and true nationalist cares about his fellow countrymen.

I think this is the basis that we can use to attract more people to the Dark Side. :cool: in all seriousness though, nationalist parties often draw in disaffected people from all over the political spectrum. let's say you really like the idea of universal healthcare, but don't want to waste your vote on a party that loathes you for being white and having a penis. or maybe you consider yourself a social conservative but distrust the GOP's tearful enthusiasm for big business. there's a lot about social-nationalism (or whatever we've decided to call it) to like. A nationalist party could even advertise itself as a "Best Of compilation." "All the fun of the NHS, now with 100% more border patrol" :D

Miserabilia
July 21st, 2014, 04:11 PM
>you are friends with a neo nazi
>you aggree on quite a few things

phuckphace
July 21st, 2014, 06:19 PM
>you are friends with a neo nazi
>you aggree on quite a few things

even Vlerchan would agree with...probably 80% of his views. you're forgetting how much in common most Nazis have with Trotskyists and the Left in general. with the exception of his Hitler worship and "we should ship all Negroes back to Africa" none would raise an eyebrow.

Miserabilia
July 21st, 2014, 06:22 PM
even Vlerchan would agree with...probably 80% of his views. you're forgetting how much in common most Nazis have with Trotskyists and the Left in general. with the exception of his Hitler worship and "we should ship all Negroes back to Africa" none would raise an eyebrow.

Alrighty then sounds good enough