9/11 Inside Job Proof

[Microcosm]

I know there has been debate about this ever since it happened, but I really like the way this video explains the evidence.

Click Me (http://youtu.be/i6eMq5Rit1w)

Spreading the word.

[CharlieHorse]

"Videos on the illuminati, conspiracy, and paranormal"
basically means fake/unreliable

[CosmicNoodle]

Interesting, but its impossible to he sure, quite unbelievable

[Kurgg]

>quality videos on illuminati, conspiracy and paranormal

I stopped watching there. As much as I'd like to believe that 9/11 was a false flag attack executed by US government to excuse the start of War on Terror, the evidence that show that the plane crashed to the towers seem to be most legit.

[Harry Smith]

ugh

George Bush isn't smart enough to understand how to do an inside job

[Calyx]

Do some people seriously believe America would kill it's own citizens? I definitely don't think it's real. Don't forget Bin Laden claimed involvement in the attacks so unless the USA has infiltrated the highest levels of the Taliban....

[Harry Smith]

Do some people seriously believe America would kill it's own citizens? I definitely don't think it's real. Don't forget Bin Laden claimed involvement in the attacks so unless the USA has infiltrated the highest levels of the Taliban....

Whilst I'm against the conspiracy America have, and will happily kill it's own citizens

[PinkFloyd]

Honestly, is it that hard to believe that some pissed off terrorists seized control of a few planes and flew them into two sky scrapers, the pentagon, and tried to hit the white house? All it took was some teamwork and coordination. That's it.

[Gamma Male]

I don't doubt for a single second that the US government would do something like faking a terrorist attack. Hell, the CIA murdered a president in the 60's.

That said, I've reviewed all of the evidence and I seriously doubt 9/11 was an inside job. I could explain why, but I'm on a phone and tired, and just really not in the mood right now.

Please, stop believing in conspiracy theories that you haven't extensively studied. Its this kind of thing that makes people look at even the serious, respectable, highly plausible conspiracy theories as automatic bunk before even examining them.

[Camazotz]

Do some people seriously believe America would kill it's own citizens? I definitely don't think it's real. Don't forget Bin Laden claimed involvement in the attacks so unless the USA has infiltrated the highest levels of the Taliban....

We gave Bin Laden weapons in the 90s. Wasn't an inside job, but we supported the Freedom Fighters (George Bush Sr.).

[Lovelife090994]

9/11 has cost Americans loved ones and you spit on them by saying we brought this on ourselves?

[Harry Smith]

9/11 has cost Americans loved ones and you spit on them by saying we brought this on ourselves?

In all fairness the US did bring 9/11 upon itself through an aggressive, destructive and extremely pro-Israeli foreign policy

[CharlieHorse]

ugh

George Bush isn't smart enough to understand how to do an inside job

this


just this XD

9/11 has cost Americans loved ones and you spit on them by saying we brought this on ourselves?

There wasn't really any proof or settlement on the idea that it was in fact a terrorist attack.

In all possibility, it could've been an inside job. But by now, more than 10 years later, what's done has been done. We can't do much about it now.

[CharlieHorse]

Why do have to be an anti-American, anti-Christian, anti-conservative, and anti-life person all of the time?

Has it for once graced your mind that life is more than you?

Why are people anti-American, anti-Christian, anti-conservative, and anti-life?
Because there's more types of people than the patriotic, conservative, extremist people who control a women's life choices.

People are different.
But apparently one side of the issues hardly understand that.

Did the quote even load?

the quoted picture goes into a link so as not to cloud the thread with the same picture over and over as the post is quoted.

Merged double post. -Cygnus David

[Lovelife090994]

Why are people anti-American, anti-Christian, anti-conservative, and anti-life?
Because there's more types of people than the patriotic, conservative, extremist people who control a women's life choices.

People are different.
But apparently one side of the issues hardly understand that.

People are different alright... and basically only hurtful. Everyone I've met is hurtful, petty, dishonest, and bad. There is no room for optimism any more. Good is too hard to find in people.

[Left Now]

Muslims are killing Muslims NOW, have you forgot that?.

Oh,once again another one who cannot understand the difference between so-called Islamic groups and terrorist organizations such as Al-Qaeda,Al-Nusra,ISIL (lesser than 15% of whole Muslim World) and regular inoffensive Muslims (more than 85% of whole Muslim World)...

When do you people want to learn there is great basic difference between Muslims and so-called Muslims?

[Lovelife090994]

Oh,once again another one who cannot understand the difference between so-called Islamic groups and terrorist organizations such as Al-Qaeda,Al-Nusra,ISIL (lesser than 15% of whole Muslim World) and regular inoffensive Muslims (more than 85% of whole Muslim World)...

When do you people want to learn there is great basic difference between Muslims and so-called Muslims?

Wow, you really think it so? As long as Muslim terrorists act and it is in the Quran I won't be too happy about the violence. Muslims have been causing trouble worldwide. Look into Myanmar as well. Muslim beliefs shackle women, punish infidels, and have caused deaf for centuries. When will it end?

[sqishy]

I do have a finalised opinion on this, won't say it though, but I will say that the best illusions are those that are seen as truth.

[CharlieHorse]

People are different alright... and basically only hurtful. Everyone I've met is hurtful, petty, dishonest, and bad. There is no room for optimism any more. Good is too hard to find in people.

Goodness is relative.
For example, you mentioned Pro-life / Pro-choice. Depending on the person and situation, good can be in either one.

[Cpt_Cutter]

There is no room for optimism any more.

That's an extremely subjective statement you've got yourself there, I for one am optimistic that the world will finally progress away from archaic conservative morals into a kind and happy world where one of the most advanced countries on the planet isn't split half and half between being progressive and modern or going back to the 50's.

[Lovelife090994]

Goodness is relative.
For example, you mentioned Pro-life / Pro-choice. Depending on the person and situation, good can be in either one.

Good doesn't exist much. It gets stamped out. Apparently every pro-life person is wrong in this world.

That's an extremely subjective statement you've got yourself there, I for one am optimistic that the world will finally progress away from archaic conservative morals into a kind and happy world where one of the most advanced countries on the planet isn't split half and half between being progressive and modern or going back to the 50's.


And you probably hate all conservatives right? I am conservative but already that's one strike. Being happy is useless now. Nothing is ever good in life. Optimism is a little blind and means little now. No one cares about anything anymore.

Stop double posting. -Cygnus David

[CharlieHorse]

Apparently every pro-life person is wrong in this world.

why would that be? Makes no sense. I just explained how, relative to person and situation, either can be the better choice.

[Lovelife090994]

why would that be? Makes no sense. I just explained how, relative to person and situation, either can be the better choice.

It's cute how you think that. But life is full of pain, bad things only get worse, and no one has a heart anymore. I used to have love, now it's dying.

[Cpt_Cutter]

And you probably hate all conservatives right? I am conservative but already that's one strike.

I don't hate conservatives, I just disagree with their beliefs.



Being happy is useless now. Nothing is ever good in life.

Things are good in life if you want them to be good in life.

[Left Now]

Wow, you really think it so? As long as Muslim terrorists act and it is in the Quran I won't be too happy about the violence. .

And would you please tell us where the heck in the Quran it is said to "Kill any hecking people you see in the world only because they have different beliefs from yours while they do not have any quarrel with you"?

Muslims have been causing trouble worldwide. /QUOTE]


Nothing but nonsense...

[QUOTE]Look into Myanmar as well[

The only thing which I can see in Myanmar is how Muslims got killed,burnt,raped and forced out of their houses by extremist Buddhists.Why?Only because they were hecking Muslims!

[CharlieHorse]

It's cute how you think that. But life is full of pain, bad things only get worse, and no one has a heart anymore. I used to have love, now it's dying.

You're completely right. Everyone is horrible and life is sad.

Or, life could be what you make it to be.

I guess that's a choice people make.

[Lovelife090994]

I don't hate conservatives, I just disagree with their beliefs.





Things are good in life if you want them to be good in life.

My life is Hell and nothing is good in it at all. So you don't hate conservatives? That'll change soon. Just look at all the blame for 9/11 they get.

You're completely right. Everyone is horrible and life is sad.

Or, life could be what you make it to be.

I guess that's a choice people make.

People I've met have always been terrible.

And would you please tell us where the heck in the Quran it is said to "Kill any hecking people you see in the world only because they have different beliefs from yours while they do not have any quarrel with you"?

[QUOTE]Muslims have been causing trouble worldwide. /QUOTE]


Nothing but nonsense...



The only thing which I can see in Myanmar is how Muslims got killed,burnt,raped and forced out of their houses by extremist Buddhists.Why?Only because they were hecking Muslims!

It's your book. The Quran says how all infidels are damned and how we can be converted or killed in the name of Allah. Muslims have been killing Buddhists and because of that Buddhists are finally fighting back. Muslims also kidnapped those Christian girls. Many problems also happen from Muslim fighting. Some Muslims are good, the beliefs aren't though.

[CharlieHorse]

People I've met have always been terrible.


you should try to find some decent people then.
There's billions of them. I bet they're out there.

[Gamma Male]

9/11 Wasn't an inside job(probably), but our government and military sure AS FUCK caused it with their imperialist foreign policy and blatant disregard for human life.

[Stronk Serb]

My life is Hell and nothing is good in it at all. So you don't hate conservatives? That'll change soon. Just look at all the blame for 9/11 they get.

The Republican and Conservative parties are not conservative. They are crypto-liberals who happen to worship Jesus Christ. Their jingoistic policies caused 9/11. Most of the people in Al-Qaeda are farmers whose family died in the bombings and their farms burned. They have nothing left. The culprits are the US so they join the fight against them.

[Cygnus]

You're completely right. Everyone is horrible and life is sad.

Or, life could be what you make it to be.

I guess that's a choice people make.

My life is Hell and nothing is good in it at all. So you don't hate conservatives? That'll change soon. Just look at all the blame for 9/11 they get.



People I've met have always been terrible.

And would you please tell us where the heck in the Quran it is said to "Kill any hecking people you see in the world only because they have different beliefs from yours while they do not have any quarrel with you"?



It's your book. The Quran says how all infidels are damned and how we can be converted or killed in the name of Allah. Muslims have been killing Buddhists and because of that Buddhists are finally fighting back. Muslims also kidnapped those Christian girls. Many problems also happen from Muslim fighting. Some Muslims are good, the beliefs aren't though.

This is not a debate about optimism nor seeking to bash any religion, so I highly suggest you get on topic

[Left Now]

It's your book. The Quran says how all infidels are damned and how we can be converted or killed in the name of Allah. Muslims have been killing Buddhists and because of that Buddhists are finally fighting back. Muslims also kidnapped those Christian girls. Many problems also happen from Muslim fighting. Some Muslims are good, the beliefs aren't though.

I shall answer you,but this thread is not about Quran and Islam,so we can continue this debate via PM or PPM(Profile Page Message).Anyway the things which you are saying are nearly completely false and there is no force conversion in neither Islam nor any other religion.

Also,if you really claim that you know very enough about Islam,you have to know what "Harbi Kafirs" and "non-Harbi Kafirs" are;knowing this information can be a denial to nearly all accusations which you are charging Islam with!Now if you really want to know about this all and let Islam defend itself too,just PM me and I will be happy to explain all those things to you;otherwise,the things which you are telling about the whole cause of Islam are just baseless nonsenses

This is not a debate about optimism nor seeking to bash any religion, so I highly suggest you get on topic

Sorry,won't happen again.

[thatcountrykid]

In all fairness the US did bring 9/11 upon itself through an aggressive, destructive and extremely pro-Israeli foreign policy

So all the men, women, and children in those places brought it on themselves.

Have you forgotten about the attacks in the uk? Do you no care about your country men being killed for no reason other than hey they're in the uk.

[Gamma Male]

So all the men, women, and children in those places brought it on themselves. .

No, he's saying the US government brought it upon the US people. Terrorists don't just hate America for no reason, plenty of nations are more christian and more prosperous than the US. They hate America because of our incredibly imperialistic foreign policy. Religion is just a secondary issue. Many members of the Taliban and Al Queada were once peaceful farmers or workers who lost loved ones in drone strikes.


By no means am I saying that 9/11 was justified, just that our government had a lot to do with fueling the hate behind it.

[thatcountrykid]

No, he's saying the US government brought it upon the US people. Terrorists don't just hate America for no reason, plenty of nations are more christian and more prosperous than the US. They hate America because of our incredibly imperialistic foreign policy. Religion is just a secondary issue. Many members of the Taliban and Al Queada were once peaceful farmers or workers who lost loved ones in drone strikes.


By no means am I saying that 9/11 was justified, just that our government had a lot to do with fueling the hate behind it.

Imperialistic my ass. The only land we have ever taken in a war is that to bury our dead.

Most Taliban are kids who need money and so they take the easy way. Same with the Ana and the paki police

[Harry Smith]

So all the men, women, and children in those places brought it on themselves.

Have you forgotten about the attacks in the uk? Do you no care about your country men being killed for no reason other than hey they're in the uk.

Sigh why can't people understand that Al-Qaeda aren't some sort of evil being that simply wants to kill and destroy all of America. The US government have taken an extremely imperialistic view of the Middle East-they've supported Saddam Hussein when he was gassing the Iranians, they supported dictatorships in Saudi Arabia and Eypt, overthrown democratic governments in Iran and supported Israel despite the fact that Israel are becoming an apartheid state.

Ironically enough the 2005 terrorist attacks are the main reason why I'm opposed to this 'war on terror', we followed you lot in Afghanistan and Iraq and look what happened as a result.

Saying that 53 people died-I don't value a British life more than an Iraqi one just because I was born on the same island as them

[Harry Smith]

US foreign policy causes 9/11-listen to good old Ron Paul

http://thehill.com/video/campaign/194707-ron-paul-flawed-policies-contributed-to-911

Your statments about terrorism are wrong-Nelson Mandela was a terrorist-do you think he hated South Africa? The US were terrorists back in 1780, did they hate America? The Israeli's were terrorists back in 1940-did they hate Israel?

[Lovelife090994]

More personal insults I see.

US foreign policy causes 9/11-listen to good old Ron Paul

http://thehill.com/video/campaign/194707-ron-paul-flawed-policies-contributed-to-911

Your statments about terrorism are wrong-Nelson Mandela was a terrorist-do you think he hated South Africa? The US were terrorists back in 1780, did they hate America? The Israeli's were terrorists back in 1940-did they hate Israel?

The early Americans were oppressed people by the British who had to fight for independence. Britain tried to take over the whole Earth. Of course people were going to demand independence after some time. Nelson Mandela was a hero so you do not get to spit on his grave. Have some tact. Israel is questionable that is true, but they aren't the ones who hijacked planes to kill hundreds in 9/11 now did they? And I am not watching some probably virus filled link. My statements are by what I see. You aren't really showing much sympathy to the victims by saying America asked for the attacks.

[Harry Smith]

Nelson Mandela was a hero so you do not get to spit on his grave. And I am not watching some probably virus filled link. .

But Nelson Mandela used terrorism, do you accept that? Do you support Nelson Mandela using terrorism in the 1980s?

The Church Street bombing was a car bomb attack on 20 May 1983 in the South African capital Pretoria by Umkhonto we Sizwe, an activist group co-founded by Nelson Mandela, Joe Slovo and Walter Sisulu which served as the military wing of the African National Congress. The bombing killed 19 and wounded 217,[1][2] and was one of the largest attacks engaged in by the ANC .

[Lovelife090994]

But Nelson Mandela used terrorism, do you accept that? Do you support Nelson Mandela using terrorism in the 1980s?

Now you are pulling stuff out of your butt. It's tasteless. Mandela fought for racial equality. I am talking about 9/11.

[Harry Smith]

Now you are pulling stuff out of your butt. It's tasteless. Mandela fought for racial equality. I am talking about 9/11.

No I'm not. Your saying that 9/11 is bad, but you're not giving a reason. Do you think it's okay to kill civilians for a political cause?

[Lovelife090994]

No I'm not. Your saying that 9/11 is bad, but you're not giving a reason. Do you think it's okay to kill civilians for a political cause?

I just said 9/11 was bad, that it left hundreds dead or injured. And when is killing ever okay when done for "political" agendas?

[Harry Smith]

I just said 9/11 was bad, that it left hundreds dead or injured. And when is killing ever okay when done for "political" agendas?

You listed an example a couple of posts ago, it seems hypocritical of you to accuse Al-Qaeda of being evil etc whilst you call Nelson Mandela a hero

The early Americans were oppressed people by the British who had to fight for independence.

Nelson Mandela was a hero

[Lovelife090994]

You listed an example a couple of posts ago, it seems hypocritical of you to accuse Al-Qaeda of being evil etc whilst you call Nelson Mandela a hero

He was a hero, he was honored. Whole countries looked up to him. You cannot take that away from him. You have absolutely no grasp on reverence or respect of credit. Al-Qaeda is evil, they are terrorists who have caused problems both in the US, and abroad. I wouldn't be surprised if London was next on a terror list. One of the biggest cities in Europe and busiest in the world on an island where many go. It would make sense to attack it. Mark my words, you do not want to go about supporting terrorists.

[Harry Smith]

He was a hero, he was honored. Whole countries looked up to him. Mark my words, you do not want to go about supporting terrorists.

Can't you see the Irony? You support Nelson Mandela-someone who was classed as a terrorist by the British, American and South African Governments. In supporting Mandela you are in a sense supporting actions of terrorism-whether his cause was correct or not you support terrorism

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/21007-nelson-mandela-was-only-removed-from-the-us-terrorist-list-in-2008

[Lovelife090994]

Can't you see the Irony? You support Nelson Mandela-someone who was classed as a terrorist by the British, American and South African Governments. In supporting Mandela you are in a sense supporting actions of terrorism-whether his cause was correct or not you support terrorism

http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/21007-nelson-mandela-was-only-removed-from-the-us-terrorist-list-in-2008

He was classed as a hero by the American government and was honored in South America. I don't read into conspiracies.

[Harry Smith]

He was classed as a hero by the American government and was honored in South America. I don't read into conspiracies.

It's not a conspiracy-look the story is on these very respectable news website.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/southafrica/2233256/Nelson-Mandela-removed-from-US-terror-list.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7484517.stm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/05/nelson-mandela-terrorist_n_4394392.html

My whole point is that people use terrorism, that doesn't make them evil. Do you know accept that Nelson Mandela used terrorism?

[Lovelife090994]

It's not a conspiracy-look the story is on these very respectable news website.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/southafrica/2233256/Nelson-Mandela-removed-from-US-terror-list.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/7484517.stm

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/05/nelson-mandela-terrorist_n_4394392.html

My whole point is that people use terrorism, that doesn't make them evil. Do you know accept that Nelson Mandela used terrorism?

Funny how all of those are British sites. Terrorism is evil and doing evil makes you evil. No Mr. Mandela is not a terrorist. He was arrested for trying to end apartheid, which isn't that due to Britain. Britain has gone to many countries and tried to rule over and control the people with an iron fist and separated everyone by type, color, and race. While this is not what you see in Britain itself, it always comes out of it. Answer that one. Britain has done many wrongdoings, are they not terrorists to you? It's your country after all.

[Harry Smith]

il. No Mr. Mandela is not a terrorist. .

So when he blew up 19 innocent civilians what was that...

The Church Street bombing was a car bomb attack on 20 May 1983 in the South African capital Pretoria by Umkhonto we Sizwe, an activist group co-founded by Nelson Mandela, Joe Slovo and Walter Sisulu which served as the military wing of the African National Congress. The bombing killed 19 and wounded 217,[1][2] and was one of the largest attacks engaged in by the ANC during its armed struggle against apartheid.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/12/06/when-conservatives-branded-nelson-mandela-a-terrorist/

No-Huffington post is an American, surely you know that. The Huffington post is not British, everyone knows that
site...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Huffington_Post

Apartheid was nothing to do with us-South Africa became independent of us in the 1950's, we lead the way in putting in place sanctions against South Africa.

Of course are country did terrible things in the past, everyone with a brain knows that. I've never denied it, we raped, killed and pillaged half the world. I'm one of the few people on here who's vocally admitted it. It's not my country-I don't lead the government of Britain but at least I have the courage to admit that Mandela is by law a terrorist

[Lovelife090994]

So when he blew up 19 innocent civilians what was that...



http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2013/12/06/when-conservatives-branded-nelson-mandela-a-terrorist/

No-Huffington post is an American, surely you know that. The Huffington post is not British, everyone knows that
site...http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Huffington_Post

Apartheid was nothing to do with us-South Africa became independent of us in the 1950's, we lead the way in putting in place sanctions against South Africa.

Of course are country did terrible things in the past, everyone with a brain knows that. I've never denied it, we raped, killed and pillaged half the world. I'm one of the few people on here who's vocally admitted it. It's not my country-I don't lead the government of Britain but at least I have the courage to admit that Mandela is by law a terrorist

You aren't listening to anything I said. Nelson Mandela hasn't committed terrorism. He was arrested for trying to end apartheid, something you clearly don't get. And Al Qaeda are the terrorists here. Where are you even pulling this information. I'm not saying Mandela was perfect, but he is no terrorist. You think Mandela a terrorist and the actual terrorist as a farmer? Ha, you don't see so clearly. You don't even care about churches so I know you put that in there to try and appeal to a heart somehow. And you say that South Africa's problems have no link to Britain since it declared independence? Just because your land breaks away doesn't mean any crimes you did and effects have no cause to you.

[Harry Smith]

You think Mandela a terrorist and the actual terrorist as a farmer?. You don't even care about churches so.

It was on Church STREET, that's nothing to do with an actual church. Wow you really struggle with this sometimes don't you. It had fuck all to do with a church hahaha. It was not anything related to a church-why did you think it was? Did you even read the link?

Do you accept that Nelson Mandela killed innocent civilians or am I lying about that?

Mandela was arrested for terrorism-look what the court said

(a) recruiting persons for training in the preparation and use of explosives and in guerrilla warfare for the purpose of violent revolution and committing acts of sabotage; (b) conspiring to commit these acts and to aid foreign military units when they [hypothetically] invaded the Republic; (c) acting in these ways to further the objects of communism; and (d) soliciting and receiving money for these purposes from sympathizers outside South Afric

[Lovelife090994]

It was on Church STREET, that's nothing to do with an actual church. Wow you really struggle with this sometimes don't you. It had fuck all to do with a church hahaha. It was not anything related to a church-why did you think it was? Did you even read the link?

Do you accept that Nelson Mandela killed innocent civilians or am I lying about that?

Mandela was arrested for terrorism-look what the court said

Of course you're lying! Of course he'd have a dirty name. The racists white government was against him and all African Blacks. Stop putting words in my mouth. Mandela is not a murderer, he was a hero and a symbol of hope and helped end apartheid.

[Harry Smith]

Of course you're lying!

If I'm lying how come the United States Government had him on an official terrorist list until 2008?

Do you study any thing like History or Politics at school? It's just you seem to have a very basic grasp on the history of Nelson Mandela

[Lovelife090994]

If I'm lying how come the United States Government had him on an official terrorist list until 2008?

Do you study any thing like History or Politics at school? It's just you seem to have a very basic grasp on the history of Nelson Mandela

Look, I realize he is no saint. But he is no Osama Bin Laden either. Nelson Mandela is a big hero to Africa. You can't take that away.

[Harry Smith]

Look, I realize he is no saint. But he is no Osama Bin Laden either. Nelson Mandela is a big hero to Africa. You can't take that away.

I accept that-I'm a big fan of him-he brought down a corrupt government. The point I'm trying to get is that people in South Africa called him a terrorist, people still do just like people call Bin Laden a terrorist. If you can accept that Mandela had a Worthy then surely you can accept that Al-Qaeda have a cause-ending the US occupation of the Middle East

[Lovelife090994]

I accept that-I'm a big fan of him-he brought down a corrupt government. The point I'm trying to get is that people in South Africa called him a terrorist, people still do just like people call Bin Laden a terrorist. If you can accept that Mandela had a Worthy then surely you can accept that Al-Qaeda have a cause-ending the US occupation of the Middle East


So the Middle East is mad at America for having an oil economy? That is no excuse! There is no excuse for Al-Qaeda at all! They are evil mean Muslim terrorists who'd stop at nothing to bring the Western World to its knees. Mandela is not Al Qaeda. Those who hate or call Mandela a terrorist are probably white racists of the South African lands who supported corruption and apartheid.

[Harry Smith]

So the Middle East is mad at America for having an oil economy? ! There is no excuse for Al-Qaeda at all! They are evil mean Muslim terrorists who'd stop at nothing to bring the Western World to its knees. Mandela is not Al Qaeda.

No the Middle East is Angry because the US have committed several crimes against them such as


-Bombed Libya in 1986
-Bombed and sank an Iranian boat in 1987
-Shot down an Iranian passenger plane
-Bombed Sudan in 1998 causing a massive chemical disaster
-Supported Israel despite the routine devastation and torture placed on Palestinian people
-Abduction of innocent Muslims who are then tortured and imprisoned without charge
-Support for undemocractic governments in the Middle east from the Shah of Iran to Mubarak in Egypt.
-Bombing and firing of missiles into yemen, somali, Pakistan and Libya in blatant disregard for international law

[Lovelife090994]

No the Middle East is Angry because the US have committed several crimes against them such as

And were those in response to attacks done to the US? If you attack Americans you're getting attacked back. And I don't support terrorists or people who support terrorists. What is wrong with aided Israel? Of course Muslims hate that part, they hate the Jews. Al Qaeda hates America for what it stands for, so they launched the attack which was 9/11. Remember the Boston Marathon bombing? Not linked to Al Qaeda but still a terror plot that injured hundreds.

[Harry Smith]

And were those in response to attacks done to the US? If you attack Americans you're getting attacked back. .

Your knowledge of History is really shocking-all of those things happened before 9/11....

And I don't support terrorists or people who support terrorists

Yet you support Israel...

What is wrong with aided Israel? Of course Muslims hate that part, they hate the Jews.

That's wrong-that's like me saying all Christians hate Muslims

[Lovelife090994]

Your knowledge of History is really shocking-all of those things happened before 9/11....



Yet you support Israel...



That's wrong-that's like me saying all Christians hate Muslims

You see it in the Middle East. Some countries tax you for not being Muslim. And What is so bad about Israel? it is the rightful land of the Jews.

[Harry Smith]

You see it in the Middle East. Some countries tax you for not being Muslim. And What is so bad about Israel? it is the rightful land of the Jews.

Where as in the US they imprison you without charge and water board you if you happen to be a Muslim in the wrong place. I'd prefer the tax.

What some dusty old piece of paper says it is? America is the rightful land of the Native Indians and look where that got them.

What's wrong with Israel?

http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/06/09/israel-killing-children-apparent-war-crime

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/9839853/UN-report-says-Israel-could-be-prosecuted-for-war-crimes-over-settlements.html

http://thrivalroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/vp-an_ongoing_displacement-en-20130514.png

[Lovelife090994]

Where as in the US they imprison you without charge and water board you if you happen to be a Muslim in the wrong place. I'd prefer the tax.

What some dusty old piece of paper says it is? America is the rightful land of the Native Indians and look where that got them.

What's wrong with Israel?

http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/06/09/israel-killing-children-apparent-war-crime

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/9839853/UN-report-says-Israel-could-be-prosecuted-for-war-crimes-over-settlements.html

image (http://thrivalroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/vp-an_ongoing_displacement-en-20130514.png)

I don't buy into propaganda. And actually it was the British who took the Native American lands of the East and later their descendants who continued on in the West. Israel is a country, but it is also the only true safe haven for Jews. Jerusalem is a jewel of Israel, and it is a holy sight to Jews and Christians alike, even though the old temple was demolished and had another building erected over it's foundations. And dusty old paper? I hope you aren't talking about the American Constitution. If so, you really don't like or respect America do you?

9/11 to me is a cruel attack. It was orchestrated by the Al-Qaeda Muslim Terrorist group, and since has still caused a lot of pain to Americans and foreigners alike.

[StoppingTime]

You see it in the Middle East. Some countries tax you for not being Muslim. And What is so bad about Israel? it is the rightful land of the Jews.

Where as in the US they imprison you without charge and water board you if you happen to be a Muslim in the wrong place. I'd prefer the tax.

What some dusty old piece of paper says it is? America is the rightful land of the Native Indians and look where that got them.

What's wrong with Israel?

http://www.hrw.org/news/2014/06/09/israel-killing-children-apparent-war-crime

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/israel/9839853/UN-report-says-Israel-could-be-prosecuted-for-war-crimes-over-settlements.html

image (http://thrivalroom.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/vp-an_ongoing_displacement-en-20130514.png)

I don't buy into propaganda. And actually it was the British who took the Native American lands of the East and later their descendants who continued on in the West. Israel is a country, but it is also the only true safe haven for Jews. Jerusalem is a jewel of Israel, and it is a holy sight to Jews and Christians alike, even though the old temple was demolished and had another building erected over it's foundations. And dusty old paper? I hope you aren't talking about the American Constitution. If so, you really don't like or respect America do you?

9/11 to me is a cruel attack. It was orchestrated by the Al-Qaeda Muslim Terrorist group, and since has still caused a lot of pain to Americans and foreigners alike.

This thread isn't about Israel, Native Americans...and whatever else you've both been posting lately. If you want to discuss these matters, do it privately or start new threads.

[Harry Smith]

. And dusty old paper? I hope you aren't talking about the American Constitution. If so, you really don't like or respect America do you?


Sorry just had to clear this up-why would I be talking about the American Constitution? That's nothing to do with Israel! Why would you even think that I'd mention that in a debate about Israel?

The most hilarous thing about 9/11 is that people fail to actually understand it, they think that just because the US got attacked that it has some divine right to do what they like-I can give you at least 20 ocassions where the US have illegally bombed a country without any warning or respect for international law

[Lovelife090994]

Sorry just had to clear this up-why would I be talking about the American Constitution? That's nothing to do with Israel! Why would you even think that I'd mention that in a debate about Israel?

The most hilarous thing about 9/11 is that people fail to actually understand it, they think that just because the US got attacked that it has some divine right to do what they like-I can give you at least 20 ocassions where the US have illegally bombed a country without any warning or respect for international law

If you're talking about Hiroshoma, that was over fifty years ago and was with a nuclear bomb. Another hasn't been used sense. And I'm pretty sure every European couuntry has comitted war crimes at some point in time, so don't act innocent. Like it or not 9/11 was a terrorist attack to America. America deserves solace and to avenge the dead.

[Harry Smith]

If you're talking about Hiroshoma, that was over fifty years ago and was with a nuclear bomb. Another hasn't been used sense. And I'm pretty sure every European couuntry has comitted war crimes at some point in time, so don't act innocent. Like it or not 9/11 was a terrorist attack to America. America deserves solace and to avenge the dead.

What? I'm not talking about Hiroshama, can you stop putting words into my mouth. I didn't even mention Hiroshoma.

Just because a Europeon country has committed war crimes doesn't mean that makes it right-you can't justify murder by saying 'oh all those guys in prison did it, it's fine''

How is torturing innocent Muslims going to avenge the death?

[ComfortableInChaos]

You all really need to do some research. I had some freetime last summer and I got into a lot of American conspiracies and I believe in a lot of them. The first thing I would start with is the privacy of the citizens of the U.S. and how much we're watched, even on social media. There's a really good documentary on Netflix about it, it's called Terms And Conditions May Apply.

Then after that, I'd look at the ter*orist activity that's gone on in America and other countries, the stuff that SEEMS like it was an attack but it really was just for attention. I'll put a link to another video that proves that shit and there's some fake war stuff, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOtgjrPmJtY

From there, look at Sandy Hook and how it was all fake. It was proven to have actors. The Boston Bom*ing had the SAME PRINCIPLE of Sandy Hook who was at the race... but she had died during the Sandy Hook incident. Fox News was the one who put her on the news after the Boston thing happened and they claimed they were wrong, but...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw937KFfW8o

I'll continue when I find my old proof of 9/11

Whether you believe it or not, that's your choice but do a little bit more research first ^_^

[Camazotz]

You all really need to do some research. I had some freetime last summer and I got into a lot of American conspiracies and I believe in a lot of them. The first thing I would start with is the privacy of the citizens of the U.S. and how much we're watched, even on social media. There's a really good documentary on Netflix about it, it's called Terms And Conditions May Apply.

Then after that, I'd look at the ter*orist activity that's gone on in America and other countries, the stuff that SEEMS like it was an attack but it really was just for attention. I'll put a link to another video that proves that shit and there's some fake war stuff, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOtgjrPmJtY

From there, look at Sandy Hook and how it was all fake. It was proven to have actors. The Boston Bom*ing had the SAME PRINCIPLE of Sandy Hook who was at the race... but she had died during the Sandy Hook incident. Fox News was the one who put her on the news after the Boston thing happened and they claimed they were wrong, but...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw937KFfW8o

I'll continue when I find my old proof of 9/11

Whether you believe it or not, that's your choice but do a little bit more research first ^_^

No one cares about your crazy conspiracies about shootings, we're here to talk about 9/11 only. Show us your "evidence" and we'll show you why you're wrong.

[lyhom]

You all really need to do some research. I had some freetime last summer and I got into a lot of American conspiracies and I believe in a lot of them. The first thing I would start with is the privacy of the citizens of the U.S. and how much we're watched, even on social media. There's a really good documentary on Netflix about it, it's called Terms And Conditions May Apply.

Then after that, I'd look at the ter*orist activity that's gone on in America and other countries, the stuff that SEEMS like it was an attack but it really was just for attention. I'll put a link to another video that proves that shit and there's some fake war stuff, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOtgjrPmJtY

From there, look at Sandy Hook and how it was all fake. It was proven to have actors. The Boston Bom*ing had the SAME PRINCIPLE of Sandy Hook who was at the race... but she had died during the Sandy Hook incident. Fox News was the one who put her on the news after the Boston thing happened and they claimed they were wrong, but...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw937KFfW8o

I'll continue when I find my old proof of 9/11

Whether you believe it or not, that's your choice but do a little bit more research first ^_^

I won't repeat what Matt said (because he hit the nail on the head), but why the fucking hell are you censoring "terrorist" and "bombing" in your post?

(Also, as just about everyone else said at the start of the thread, the link the OP gave really isn't reliable since it relies on the Illuminati and the paranormal, and we need proof of that first.)

[Harry Smith]

I won't repeat what Matt said (because he hit the nail on the head), but why the fucking hell are you censoring "terrorist" and "bombing" in your post?

(Also, as just about everyone else said at the start of the thread, the link the OP gave really isn't reliable since it relies on the Illuminati and the paranormal, and we need proof of that first.)

It's because the government can track you if you use words like terrorist!

[Cpt_Cutter]

From there, look at Sandy Hook and how it was all fake. It was proven to have actors. The Boston Bom*ing had the SAME PRINCIPLE of Sandy Hook who was at the race... but she had died during the Sandy Hook incident. Fox News was the one who put her on the news after the Boston thing happened and they claimed they were wrong, but...


Even as a non-american I'm actually offended that you believe that the sandy hook shooting was a fake. I've seen many people claim that it didn't happen or that it was actors, and I always just link them this article: http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp

Another interesting thing is that no one can come up with a good and backed up reason for the shooting to be faked.

Tl;Dr, People who think Sandy hook or 9/11 were fake are both assholes and very very naive.

[ComfortableInChaos]

Even as a non-american I'm actually offended that you believe that the sandy hook shooting was a fake. I've seen many people claim that it didn't happen or that it was actors, and I always just link them this article: http://www.snopes.com/politics/guns/newtown.asp

Another interesting thing is that no one can come up with a good and backed up reason for the shooting to be faked.

Tl;Dr, People who think Sandy hook or 9/11 were fake are both assholes and very very naive.

Lmao you call us assholes and naive... LOL
Of course, Snopes isn't gonna say it's true XD I've read their shit for years and it's stupid because most of their website is a lie...
Why would the dad of that one girl who was killed, why would he be laughing and smiling during an interview after the shooting? Why the actual FUCK would you be happy when your six year old daughter was just MURDERED at school? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMINqFGNr-w

I sure as hell wouldn't be happy and laughing and smiling if my daughter was just killed...
The whole Sandy Hook thing scares me to death. I think I know the truth about it and if I'm wrong, I'm wrong, but it scares the absolute shit out of me, just thinking that it was set up. I'm going with my gut saying that it's true...

[Cpt_Cutter]

Why the actual FUCK would you be happy when your six year old daughter was just MURDERED at school?

Because when someone dies your life isn't 100% sadness for the rest of time? People who were in similar incidents have come out to debunk this theory, and the people who were filmed laughing and smiling have openly said it's because they were remembering happy times with their sons/daughters. Why does it scare you, what on earth is there to gain from faking this event?

[Vlerchan]

Why does it scare you, what on earth is there to gain from faking this event?
It's all big gvt., they want our guns.

Like Stalin.

[ComfortableInChaos]

Because when someone dies your life isn't 100% sadness for the rest of time? People who were in similar incidents have come out to debunk this theory, and the people who were filmed laughing and smiling have openly said it's because they were remembering happy times with their sons/daughters. Why does it scare you, what on earth is there to gain from faking this event?

What scares me is the idea that it could happen the way I think it did to any other school. That video was very, very soon after the shooting happened... And another thing that scares me are the pictures of the alleged killer. His eyes bulging out like that is fucking scary... In my mind, I see it as staged drill but nobody knew it was real and it happened.

Maybe I'm paranoid about it but it could totally happen.

[Harry Smith]

What scares me is the idea that it could happen the way I think it did to any other school. That video was very, very soon after the shooting happened... And another thing that scares me are the pictures of the alleged killer. His eyes bulging out like that is fucking scary... In my mind, I see it as staged drill but nobody knew it was real and it happened.

Maybe I'm paranoid about it but it could totally happen.

Wait? So a killer has eyes that bulge out of his head meaning that he's not the killer?

I don't understand why it would be staged

[ComfortableInChaos]

Wait? So a killer has eyes that bulge out of his head meaning that he's not the killer?

I don't understand why it would be staged

Can you not fucking read? I said that that made him fucking scary, it was right there in the post that you quoted... this is why people's points are invalid... they don't read everything...

I'm gonna add my 9/11 proof here, now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dbJpDmKw3I
If this wasn't set up, I'd like to know how the towers got bo*bs set in the inside of the buildings? (Yes, government CAN red-flag you if you use certain words... and I don't need them at my door in 5 minutes tearing my entire house up.) There were explosions in the bottom of the buildings when the planes hit, as if something else went off down there... If this is true, then why didn't government take care of it beforehand or make sure it was safe and nobody would get hurt?

You're all trying to disprove something that you don't understand. If you look at what has all been put together and the facts, then you would see the truth about it...

[Karagor]

Can you not fucking read? I said that that made him fucking scary, it was right there in the post that you quoted... this is why people's points are invalid... they don't read everything...

Scenario 1: He honestly didn't understand what you meant, so you swearing at him now will make you look foolish.

Scenario 2: He did know what you meant, but couldn't find anything better to counter you with, and so (successfully) tried to bait you into emotional fallacies, and make you look foolish.

There is never a need to swear in a debate. It only ever hurts your argument.

[ComfortableInChaos]

Scenario 1: He honestly didn't understand what you meant, so you swearing at him now will make you look foolish.

Scenario 2: He did know what you meant, but couldn't find anything better to counter you with, and so (successfully) tried to bait you into emotional fallacies, and make you look foolish.

There is never a need to swear in a debate. It only ever hurts your argument.

No, swearing shows how strongly you're emphasizing a situation, which you obviously don't understand. First, go through some English courses at your school (especially AP) and you should learn the stronger effect swearing has over not swearing. It's annoying when people quote you and try to disprove something but don't know how to read what they JUST quoted.

[lyhom]

(Yes, government CAN red-flag you if you use certain words... and I don't need them at my door in 5 minutes tearing my entire house up.)

Ignoring the fact that you literally gave zero evidence, I seriously have no clue how the government has so little time on their hands that they can find people on a somewhat obscure forum meant for helping teenagers, find somebody saying the word "bomb" or "terrorist" or whatever (and besides, if you are seriously so irrationally scared of this, why don't you just use different words instead of replacing one letter with an asterisk?), find out all of their personal information, and either bomb them or shoot them or red-flag them or whatever the hell you were talking about.

Fucking seriously...

[Karagor]

No, swearing shows how strongly you're emphasizing a situation, which you obviously don't understand. First, go through some English courses at your school (especially AP) and you should learn the stronger effect swearing has over not swearing. It's annoying when people quote you and try to disprove something but don't know how to read what they JUST quoted.

But a debate should be as little to do with emotion as possible. It should be factual and succinct. All your arguments seem to be laced with fallacies. Insulting people has the same effect as swearing. It is used when you can't think of a better way to say what you want to say.

Take the above paragraph for example, I just countered your point, raised my own point, countered your fallacy and gave you a way of using the other person's insults to insult them... I did all of that without swear words, and I could do it again.

[Cpt_Cutter]

There were explosions in the bottom of the buildings when the planes hit,

IIRC this was disproved as the fact that the plane impact's force forced the crap-filled air throughout the building and out on many floors, including to the main lobby through the elevator shafts.

[ComfortableInChaos]

Ignoring the fact that you literally gave zero evidence, I seriously have no clue how the government has so little time on their hands that they can find people on a somewhat obscure forum meant for helping teenagers, find somebody saying the word "bomb" or "terrorist" or whatever (and besides, if you are seriously so irrationally scared of this, why don't you just use different words instead of replacing one letter with an asterisk?), find out all of their personal information, and either bomb them or shoot them or red-flag them or whatever the hell you were talking about.

Fucking seriously...

Watch the documentary Terms And Conditions May Apply and you'll understand more.

But a debate should be as little to do with emotion as possible. It should be factual and succinct. All your arguments seem to be laced with fallacies. Insulting people has the same effect as swearing. It is used when you can't think of a better way to say what you want to say.

Take the above paragraph for example, I just countered your point, raised my own point, countered your fallacy and gave you a way of using the other person's insults to insult them... I did all of that without swear words, and I could do it again.

Strongly emphasizing a situation and feeling a certain way about the situation are both completely different, I didn't say I was feeling strongly about it. I said it shows how strongly I EMPHASIZED my point...

[Karagor]

Strongly emphasizing a situation and feeling a certain way about the situation are both completely different, I didn't say I was feeling strongly about it. I said it shows how strongly I EMPHASIZED my point...

You tell me to go take English classes, then talk about how swearing has nothing to do with emotion... Here is a newspaper article that I found on top of the results when I googled for a link between emotion and swearing. It seems it's not only linked, but the link has been extrapolated upon. (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2625581/Swearing-emotional-creative-language-say-researchers-claim-GOOD-you.html)

Here (http://www.psychologicalscience.org/index.php/publications/observer/2012/may-june-12/the-science-of-swearing.html)

Here (http://www.thepsychologist.org.uk/archive/archive_home.cfm/volumeID_26-editionID_229-ArticleID_2330)

And here. (http://www.medicaldaily.com/benefits-swearing-researchers-point-out-cursing-can-actually-reduce-pain-282784)

You can find more examples of swearing being linked to emotion.

If you still want to argue that swearing has nothing to do with emotion, find something to back up your point.

Watch the documentary Terms And Conditions May Apply and you'll understand more.

This documentary has an agenda. Their agenda is to get as many views as possible, and to "convert" people into taking a political side. If I were you, I'd try and get multiple sources to back up your claim, and not rely on one that is most likely biased.

For example, peer reviewed articles are your best bet, but they aren't that easy to find often, so just find multiple sources. Anything is better than telling us to watch one (biased) documentary.

Please do not double post. -Cygnus David

[Vlerchan]

If you still want to argue that swearing has nothing to do with emotion, find something to back up your point.
I use swear words to add emphasis.

"It was class*" and "It was fucking class": similar, but there's an emphasis on the latter.

By far the most common function of swearing is a descriptive one, a role filled mainly by two words: bloody and f***ing (the latter is undoubtedly the more severe). Most sources classify such words as adjectives or adverbs depending on their grammatical context, yet these words often refer ambiguously to an entire phrase or sentence rather than to a specific item within it. Because of this generality, the positioning of such words within a sentence is often arbitrary, and although their natural position is preceding a noun or verb, a speaker may subconsciously reposition them to create emphasis or rhythm in a sentence. Occasionally this involves splitting a clause in two, or even inserting the swear word as an infix within another word (as in absof***inglutely). Swear words may be deliberately positioned in such a way as to create alliteration or assonance.

http://www.andrewgray.com/essays/swearing.htm

*slang for good.

[Karagor]

I use swear words to add emphasis.

"It was class*" and "It was fucking class": similar, but there's an emphasis on the latter.

By far the most common function of swearing is a descriptive one, a role filled mainly by two words: bloody and f***ing (the latter is undoubtedly the more severe). Most sources classify such words as adjectives or adverbs depending on their grammatical context, yet these words often refer ambiguously to an entire phrase or sentence rather than to a specific item within it. Because of this generality, the positioning of such words within a sentence is often arbitrary, and although their natural position is preceding a noun or verb, a speaker may subconsciously reposition them to create emphasis or rhythm in a sentence. Occasionally this involves splitting a clause in two, or even inserting the swear word as an infix within another word (as in absof***inglutely). Swear words may be deliberately positioned in such a way as to create alliteration or assonance.

http://www.andrewgray.com/essays/swearing.htm

*slang for good.

I'm not saying they don't add emphasis. I'm saying they add emphasis by drawing on emotion. Emphasis can be drawn with formatting.

I didn't mean to imply that you were wrong in saying that you used it to add emphasis. My point is that the use of swearing is bad because it draws on emotion and doesn't actually add to your argument. There's no doubt I could swear in this point and it would add emphasis. But by doing so, it wouldn't add to my argument in any way I can't do without swearing.

Further, the reason swearing is actively negative, and not just "not good" is because it is attributed to a limited vocabulary. When you can't think of a way to draw emotion from your opponent through what you're saying, use words they will find naturally contraversial.

The way I do it is to formulate my points as simply as I can manage. I find that a clear point is more effective than an emotional one.

Sorry I just realised the reply wasn't from the same person, but the points still stand - sorry for referring to you as if you were the original poster.

[Vlerchan]

My point is that the use of swearing is bad because it draws on emotion and doesn't actually add to your argument.
It adds emphasis.

I agree there's better ways to format an argument, but that's beyond the point: regardless of how the emphasis is drawn, and I don't quite agree it's always from drawing emotion, it still stands that the use of "fucking" added strength to the point I'm making, even if that strength is imagined in the mind of the opponent/reader.

Further, the reason swearing is actively negative, and not just "not good" is because it is attributed to a limited vocabulary.
Sure.

But I'm not seeing the relevence: we agree that it adds emphasis, and that's what dontfckwithme was aiming for.

The way I do it is to formulate my points as simply as I can manage.
You haven't read a lot of my posting, have you?

[Karagor]

It adds emphasis.

I agree there's better ways to format an argument, but that's beyond the point: regardless of how the emphasis is drawn, and I don't quite agree it's always from drawing emotion, it still stands that the use of "fucking" added strength to the point I'm making, even if that strength is imagined in the mind of the opponent/reader.


My original point is that emotions are not something you should be drawing upon in a debate. An emotional argument is a bad one (even if it is effective).

My following arguments were to prove that swearing is an emotional response, not a logical one. The person swearing might be doing so in a logical way, but the way it is received is emotional.

[Vlerchan]

My original point is that emotions are not something you should be drawing upon in a debate.
And this is an opinion.

An emotional argument is a bad one.
I would agree.

I wouldn't agree that the use if emotion-inducing rhetoric is always bad.

My following arguments were to prove that swearing is an emotional response, not a logical one.
You agree below that it is a logical response.

"The person swearing might be doing so in a logical way".

There's a point to swearing (as has been agreed): it adds emphasis and some feel it better allows them to get their point across. It shouldn't matter what occurs with the use of such language - something beyond the users control - as much as the reason behind the use of such language. I'd have no issue with calling it "unfair" or "underhanded" but I'm seeing no basis to claim swearing in itself to be "illogical".

[Karagor]

And this is an opinion.

One that is universally accepted as the norm in proper debates. In fact, an emotional argument is considered a fallacy.


I would agree.

I wouldn't agree that the use if emotion-inducing rhetoric is always bad.

No, it's not, but I have already explained why the specific example of using swear words is always bad.



You agree below that it is a logical response.

"The person swearing might be doing so in a logical way".

There's a point to swearing (as has been agreed): it adds emphasis and some feel it better allows them to get their point across. It shouldn't matter what occurs with the use of such language - something beyond the users control - as much as the reason behind the use of such language. I'd have no issue with calling it "unfair" or "underhanded" but I'm seeing no basis to claim swearing in itself to be "illogical".

There's a point to swearing in every day life, yes, because in every day life, emotions are what drive us.

When you develop an opinion, you have an emotion attached to that opinion. This is true for all of your ideas and thoughts. This is why when debating, you need to avoid showing them. Just because you have a positive emotion attached to the idea, doesn't mean the person you're talking to does. By swearing, you limit your audience to only people who don't mind swearing. By not swearing, both people who like to swear and people who don't like swearing will appreciate your argument.

This is why it is illogical to swear in a debate. You're cutting out the people who don't appreciate having those emotions drawn upon.

We have been off topic long enough though, so if you'd like to continue, make a new topic and I'll find it, but I think I've said everything I can on this.

[Vlerchan]

We have been off topic long enough though, so if you'd like to continue, make a new topic and I'll find it, but I think I've said everything I can on this.
Meh. I'm not bothered.

I just wanted to test you because you were new, and this seemed like a fun idea to defend.

[mychalo]

IIRC this was disproved as the fact that the plane impact's force forced the crap-filled air throughout the building and out on many floors, including to the main lobby through the elevator shafts.

You all really need to do some research. I had some freetime last summer and I got into a lot of American conspiracies and I believe in a lot of them. The first thing I would start with is the privacy of the citizens of the U.S. and how much we're watched, even on social media. There's a really good documentary on Netflix about it, it's called Terms And Conditions May Apply.

Then after that, I'd look at the ter*orist activity that's gone on in America and other countries, the stuff that SEEMS like it was an attack but it really was just for attention. I'll put a link to another video that proves that shit and there's some fake war stuff, too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOtgjrPmJtY

From there, look at Sandy Hook and how it was all fake. It was proven to have actors. The Boston Bom*ing had the SAME PRINCIPLE of Sandy Hook who was at the race... but she had died during the Sandy Hook incident. Fox News was the one who put her on the news after the Boston thing happened and they claimed they were wrong, but...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dw937KFfW8o

I'll continue when I find my old proof of 9/11

Whether you believe it or not, that's your choice but do a little bit more research first ^_^

Really, Sandy Hook was fake? And you know this by reading the internet and watching youtube?

As a resident of Connecticut I can assure you it was not fake, and I hope it never happens anywhere again

Can you not fucking read? I said that that made him fucking scary, it was right there in the post that you quoted... this is why people's points are invalid... they don't read everything...

I'm gonna add my 9/11 proof here, now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1dbJpDmKw3I
If this wasn't set up, I'd like to know how the towers got bo*bs set in the inside of the buildings? (Yes, government CAN red-flag you if you use certain words... and I don't need them at my door in 5 minutes tearing my entire house up.) There were explosions in the bottom of the buildings when the planes hit, as if something else went off down there... If this is true, then why didn't government take care of it beforehand or make sure it was safe and nobody would get hurt?

You're all trying to disprove something that you don't understand. If you look at what has all been put together and the facts, then you would see the truth about it...

Sorry, another youtube video isn't proof. If mainstream media can be manipulated why can't every other form?

Did you know the first bomb comment was made by a radio station in Los Angeles, based on a video the DJ was watching, without sound, so he presumed what he saw was a bomb?

And by the way, do you really think any type of spying software couldn't figure out that bo*bs might mean bombs? Really?

Please do not double post ~Typhlosion

[ComfortableInChaos]

Sorry, another youtube video isn't proof. If mainstream media can be manipulated why can't every other form?

Did you know the first bomb comment was made by a radio station in Los Angeles, based on a video the DJ was watching, without sound, so he presumed what he saw was a bomb?

And by the way, do you really think any type of spying software couldn't figure out that bo*bs might mean bombs? Really?

You weren't even born when 9/11 happened and if you were, you were probably a year old or younger. And yes, certain words CAN red-flag your IP address, I actually know someone who lives in NYC right now who said ONE SINGLE WORD that the government thought was a threat and they were literally at his house 20 minutes later... Someone needs to know what they're talking about.
Also, whether or not it was a radio host who was watching a video without sound, I've seen videos, too and I've seen pictures of the buildings. There WERE things set up on certain floors of both buildings that blew up and took out exits and killed bunches of people. Here's a good article for you to read up on if you want evidence and if you want facts about what REALLY happened.

http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/874-why-i-am-convinced-911-was-an-inside-job.html

Sandy Hook is another story.
1) The Dark Knight Rises. Have you seen the map in that movie? If not, good look it up, it's quite interesting.
2) Drill protocols were followed instead of actual
3) When reports of the suspect's weapon contradicts other reports, isn't that a little silly? Wouldn't the reports have been about the same? I remember saying it was a shotgun, then people saying it was an assault rifle...
4) The parents and other people were just... They reacted inappropriately for it to have been 100% genuine.
5) Not sure if you know this or not, but they destroyed the school. It's gone now and they demolished it after the whole episode happened.
6) There were reports of a second shooter and there was a guy who ran off into the woods after main shooter (I don't wanna mention his name, his picture is so freaky and it literally freaks me out and I watch lots of horror movies...) And there was a cop that was said to have ran into the woods after this supposed second shooter and I remember hearing a recording of this cop saying "I god him. I got him..."

There are many, many things that show ways for these events to have been a hoax or an inside job.

[Harry Smith]

You weren't even born when 9/11 happened and if you were, you were probably a year old or younger. And yes, certain words CAN red-flag your IP address, I actually know someone who lives in NYC right now who said ONE SINGLE WORD that the government thought was a threat and they were literally at his house 20 minutes later... Someone needs to know what they're talking about.
Also, whether or not it was a radio host who was watching a video without sound, I've seen videos, too and I've seen pictures of the buildings. There WERE things set up on certain floors of both buildings that blew up and took out exits and killed bunches of people. Here's a good article for you to read up on if you want evidence and if you want facts about what REALLY happened.

http://www.ae911truth.org/en/news-section/41-articles/874-why-i-am-convinced-911-was-an-inside-job.html

Sandy Hook is another story.
1) The Dark Knight Rises. Have you seen the map in that movie? If not, good look it up, it's quite interesting.
2) Drill protocols were followed instead of actual
3) When reports of the suspect's weapon contradicts other reports, isn't that a little silly? Wouldn't the reports have been about the same? I remember saying it was a shotgun, then people saying it was an assault rifle...
4) The parents and other people were just... They reacted inappropriately for it to have been 100% genuine.
5) Not sure if you know this or not, but they destroyed the school. It's gone now and they demolished it after the whole episode happened.
6) There were reports of a second shooter and there was a guy who ran off into the woods after main shooter (I don't wanna mention his name, his picture is so freaky and it literally freaks me out and I watch lots of horror movies...) And there was a cop that was said to have ran into the woods after this supposed second shooter and I remember hearing a recording of this cop saying "I god him. I got him..."

There are many, many things that show ways for these events to have been a hoax or an inside job.

The US Government don't have enough money to round up every single conspiracy nut like you, you're fine.

Have you ever worked in the media industry? In cases like this reporting tends to be bad because it's a rush-there tends to be one source and that is then picked up by all the news channel. The majority of people in my school wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a shotgun and an assault rifle-especially if someone was shooting at them, and considering the average age of the children was about 6-they're hardly going to be experts

That's hardly the the thing you worry about 'hey gunman, what make is your gun, I need to tell the media....''

Have you ever had your child murdered?

There's a tendency to destroy sites of such massacres, and try and remake them.

Do you have any evidence that there was a second shooter?


Now the magic question-why would someone fake a school shooting? What does it achieve?

P.S your argument is very weak, you're trying to link stuff in such a bad way e.g the gunman had red boots, red is the colour of blood meaning that it was done by the medical industry

[Cpt_Cutter]

There are many, many things that show ways for these events to have been a hoax or an inside job.

Ok, if you want to be a conspiracy nut then that's fine, but for the love of god don't tell me sandy hook was fake.

There is something wrong with you if you have to look for the "Hidden Evidence" in any major disaster that shows how it was fake. Sandy hook literally gained nothing for anyone except getting many many Children killed. I suppose you also believe MH370 landed at Diego Garcia, and that the MH17 disaster was orchestrated by someone for some other stupid reason. I respect your right to believe whatever the hell you want to believe but I've seen too many people get convinced by Conspiracy theorists to sit back and let you convince the more gullible that the death of 20 children was not as it actually is.

/Rant.

[ComfortableInChaos]

The US Government don't have enough money to round up every single conspiracy nut like you, you're fine.

Have you ever worked in the media industry? In cases like this reporting tends to be bad because it's a rush-there tends to be one source and that is then picked up by all the news channel. The majority of people in my school wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a shotgun and an assault rifle-especially if someone was shooting at them, and considering the average age of the children was about 6-they're hardly going to be experts

That's hardly the the thing you worry about 'hey gunman, what make is your gun, I need to tell the media....''

Have you ever had your child murdered?

There's a tendency to destroy sites of such massacres, and try and remake them.

Do you have any evidence that there was a second shooter?


Now the magic question-why would someone fake a school shooting? What does it achieve?

P.S your argument is very weak, you're trying to link stuff in such a bad way e.g the gunman had red boots, red is the colour of blood meaning that it was done by the medical industry

No, I haven't had my child murdered because I'm not a parent, thank god, but if I were, I know I wouldn't be laughing and smiling RIGHT AFTER THEIR DEATH. There is no possible way that you can tell me that after your child dies, it's okay to joke and laugh before you're interviewed.

[Harry Smith]

No, I haven't had my child murdered because I'm not a parent, thank god, but if I were, I know I wouldn't be laughing and smiling RIGHT AFTER THEIR DEATH. There is no possible way that you can tell me that after your child dies, it's okay to joke and laugh before you're interviewed.

Can you provide video evidence of this happening?

Anyway people react to grief in different ways, you didn't answer my question.

1) Why did the US government carry out this false flag attack? How did they benefit?

2) Do you think the children are still alive?

[ComfortableInChaos]

Can you provide video evidence of this happening?

Anyway people react to grief in different ways, you didn't answer my question.

1) Why did the US government carry out this false flag attack? How did they benefit?

2) Do you think the children are still alive?

1) I don't know why, tbqh, that's beyond me.
2) Yes, but not all of them. I know one little girl was supposed to have died but she didn't and she was photographed after the shooting happened.

Also, I did provide a video of one of the parents laughing before an interview in an earlier post on this thread.

[Cpt_Cutter]

Yes, but not all of them. I know one little girl was supposed to have died but she didn't and she was photographed after the shooting happened.

If you'd researched this, you would know this was her sister when the family met Obama, when the sister was wearing a similar dress to the victim's in the photograph used at the memorials.

[rtw1997]

These 9/11 conspiracy theories are really quite foolish and juvenile--and frankly offensive to all the people who lost loved ones on that horrible day. Moreover, all the theories have been debunked time and time again by reputable organizations. I would encourage you to browse this from Popular Mechanics: "Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report"
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military/news/1227842