Should vaccinations be mandatory?

[Gamma Male]

Should vaccinations for certain dangerous diseases be mandatory? I think so.

Recently, there has been a rise in batshit crazy antivaccination people. These people are not only spreading misinformation and risking their own lives, but risking the lives of their children and others around them. This isn't an just an issue of bodily autonomy or individual rights. By not vaccinating their children, these people are causing a danger to people who come into contact with their children and the community at large. You should be able to do whatever you want with your body, so long as you aren't affecting or endangering anyone else. Certain vaccinations should be mandatory for everyone, unless they can't receive vaccinations due to some sort of medical complications. Although I'm not sure if there are any that would actually prevent you from safely getting vaccinated.


What do you think? Should vaccinations be mandatory? Should parents have the right not to have their children vaccinated? Should their be religious exemptions?(hint: no, there shouldn't be. Your right to practice your religion ends where my safety and wellbeing begins)

[Horatio Nelson]

I kinda get how some people are skeptical, but almost all of modern medicine is proven and safe. I have all of my vaccinations.

(Plus, in CA, certain vaccinations are required in public school.)

[Karkat]

No, and here's why :P

Not all persons can be vaccinated. Some have immune deficiencies, etc., that would be complicated by vaccination.

But seriously? Anyone who is able to be safely vaccinated should be required to be. Religion shouldn't play a role in this.

Maybe we can send all the anti-vaxers to the moon :P

[CharlieHorse]

any one person not getting vaccinations is a threat to produce more of the disease when infected and promote its growth, mutation, and deadliness.

As a collective species, we should work to prevent diseases, and vaccinating everyone is a good step to prevent horrible pandemics.

[Kurgg]

Everyone, who does not have any health issues making vaccinations dangerous, should have them. Everyone who is not taking them because of his own will, is helping to spread the disease to other people. I am even so radical that I think everyone who refuses to take them, should be excluded from using public health services to cure the disease what could have been prevented by vaccination, except for first aid. Refusing to take vaccinations and using then public health service is IMO very hypocritical.

[CosmicNoodle]

We'll, iu have ahorribnle phobia of needles...so my heats says no...and theological part of my mind can't quite decide what it wants to say.
Not everyone can be vaccinated, some people have health complications. I know sonepone who couldn't get the MMR vaccine for some medical reason.
But really, so long as you have no complications, or other decent reason not to, you should be required to get it. Religion shouldn't play a role in anything, let alone health care.

[Southside]

Yes...If a person isn't allergic or going to have any major complications from taking the vaccine then it should be mandatory. Its a threat to public health/safety if the majority of people are not vaccinated.

[Stronk Serb]

Yeah. We have that here. TB vaccine, hepathitis, seasonal flu, that disease when you get cut on a rusty object and many others... They are all mandatory for attending public schools.

[anrigirl]

It should be mandatory, but of course people with medical reasons not to be vaccinated should be exempted from it. Here in South Africa they come and vaccinate us in the public schools.

[mrmee]

I have an idea, how about we all put little bits of every common disease or flu into everyone, and anyone who doesn't want that can be sent tro the moon (to quote a previous comment). I have the mandatory vaccinations like chicken pox, and where I live, there are not many that are mandatory.
If you have a mindset that you will not get a sickness, your body will automatically build an immunity to it. Not a 100% immunity, but vaccines are not 100% either. The human body is designed to adapt in such ways. On the other hand, if you do get vaccinated, but have a mindset that you will get the disease, your body will start doing everything it can to lower its defenses to it.
With the few vaccinations I have gotten, I have been sick enough to stay home from school, which means common cold included, only twice in my life. It's because I have told myself, ad truly believe that I'm not going to get sick, I'm not going to contract any diesases, and I'll be healthy.
Furthermore, you have to have a somewhat healthy lifestyle to be able to produce the antitoxins you body naturally supplies. You can't eat fast food grease burgers and fries everyday and then go sit on the couch with a bag of chips and do nothing for years and think you won't get sick. Your body will focus on keeping your 400lb self alive before trying to keep you healthy. Seeing as I live on a farm, and I eat fresh (butchered, picked, or harvested that day) meat, dairy, fruits, and vegetables every day; and get plenty of exersise tending the farm, my body has excess energy at the end of the day to build an immunity.

[Gamma Male]

I have an idea, how about we all put little bits of every common disease or flu into everyone, and anyone who doesn't want that can be sent tro the moon (to quote a previous comment). I have the mandatory vaccinations like chicken pox, and where I live, there are not many that are mandatory.
If you have a mindset that you will not get a sickness, your body will automatically build an immunity to it. Not a 100% immunity, but vaccines are not 100% either. The human body is designed to adapt in such ways. On the other hand, if you do get vaccinated, but have a mindset that you will get the disease, your body will start doing everything it can to lower its defenses to it.
With the few vaccinations I have gotten, I have been sick enough to stay home from school, which means common cold included, only twice in my life. It's because I have told myself, ad truly believe that I'm not going to get sick, I'm not going to contract any diesases, and I'll be healthy.
Furthermore, you have to have a somewhat healthy lifestyle to be able to produce the antitoxins you body naturally supplies. You can't eat fast food grease burgers and fries everyday and then go sit on the couch with a bag of chips and do nothing for years and think you won't get sick. Your body will focus on keeping your 400lb self alive before trying to keep you healthy. Seeing as I live on a farm, and I eat fresh (butchered, picked, or harvested that day) meat, dairy, fruits, and vegetables every day; and get plenty of exersise tending the farm, my body has excess energy at the end of the day to build an immunity.


This doesn't change the fact that people who don't get vaccinated for certain diseases have much higher chances of getting those diseases. Telling yourself you aren't going to get a disease is not a more effective prevention tactic than getting the vaccine, that's utterly ridiculous.

You said you didn't get all of the normal vaccines. May I ask which ones you didn't get?

[mrmee]

This doesn't change the fact that people who don't get vaccinated for certain diseases have much higher chances of getting those diseases. Telling yourself you aren't going to get a disease is not a more effective prevention tactic than getting the vaccine, that's utterly ridiculous.

You said you didn't get all of the normal vaccines. May I ask which ones you didn't get?

I have chicken pox and aids vaccines only. This thread piqued my curiosity, so I checked earlier today. And it kinda does change that fact that "people who don't get vaccinated for certain diseases have much higher chances of getting those diseases".

[Gamma Male]

I have chicken pox and aids vaccines only.
They do not have aids vaccines. You're either lying or mistaken.
This thread piqued my curiosity, so I checked earlier today. And it kinda does change that fact that "people who don't get vaccinated for certain diseases have much higher chances of getting those diseases".

What? No it doesn't. You can get all the positive thinking, good voodoo, "natural homeopathic" treatment you want, and while there may be a slight placebo effect associated with them, the fact is without a vaccine you are much more likely to get the disease you weren't vaccinated for.

[mrmee]

They do not have aids vaccines. You're either lying or mistaken.


What? No it doesn't. You can get all the positive thinking, good voodoo, "natural homeopathic" treatment you want, and while there may be a slight placebo effect associated with them, the fact is without a vaccine you are much more likely to get the disease you weren't vaccinated for.

No, your right, it was HPV. Knew it was one of them. Either way, its not placebo effect, the fact is its the body building an immunity on its own.

[pconnor2001]

Yes it makes it unsafe for other people if you do not get vacinnated.

[Gamma Male]

No, your right, it was HPV. Knew it was one of them. Either way, its not placebo effect, the fact is its the body building an immunity on its own.
That's complete bunk. You're ignoring the facts. When you don't get a vaccine for a disease, you are more likely to get said disease. "Natural immunity" did not end the significant polio epidemic. Vaccines did. "Natural immunity" did not completely wipe out smallpox. Vaccines did.

Diphtheria. Tetanus. Whooping cough. Measles. By getting vaccines against all of these things, your odds of getting them are reduced drastically. By not getting vaccines for these things, your odds of getting them are much higher. No amount of "natural immunity" can combat these dangerous sicknesses like vaccines can.

[Sir Suomi]

If there is no medical reasons that would restrict you from receiving a vaccination, then yes. I'd prefer not to have our whole collective species be eradicated by a simple virus outbreak that could have been prevented.

[mrmee]

That's complete bunk. You're ignoring the facts. When you don't get a vaccine for a disease, you are more likely to get said disease. "Natural immunity" did not end the significant polio epidemic. Vaccines did. "Natural immunity" did not completely wipe out smallpox. Vaccines did.

Diphtheria. Tetanus. Whooping cough. Measles. By getting vaccines against all of these things, your odds of getting them are reduced drastically. By not getting vaccines for these things, your odds of getting them are much higher. No amount of "natural immunity" can combat these dangerous sicknesses like vaccines can.
No matter how many times I say it, yes it does, your still going to say no it doesn't. Im just going to assume by your signature saying your vegan, that you have very little understanding of the nature of humans and the world around us and leave it at that.
Btw, those dangerous sicknesses were never completely wiped out. There are strains of them in labs, because they are still being reasearched.

[Gamma Male]

No matter how many times I say it, yes it does, your still going to say no it doesn't.
I say "no it doesn'" because you haven't provided any evidence to vertify your claims, whereas I have.
Im just going to assume by your signature saying your vegan, that you have very little understanding of the nature of humans and the world around us and leave it at that.
If you'd care to explain what relevance my being vegan(for ethical reasons) has to do with the current discussion I'd greatly appreciate it.
Btw, those dangerous sicknesses were never completely wiped out. There are strains of them in labs, because they are still being reasearched.

Yes. But those diseases no longer pose a risk to humanity because of vaccines. Even the diseases that are still around in some parts of the world like polio are only still around because not everyone has been able to be vaccinated. If everyone in the world were to get the polio vaccine it would be wiped off the face of the earth completely in a matter of decades, and become like smallpox, with only a few remaining samples locked away in labs securely.

[Karkat]

Btw, those dangerous sicknesses were never completely wiped out. There are strains of them in labs, because they are still being reasearched.

This is the only legitimate thing you've said so far. Please never have children, as this mindset of yours is terribly abusive. I would know- My dad is this way because he believes that every medical disorder I have is nonexistent, and that I ended up with most of them by "worrying too much".

[TheN3rdyOutcast]

I don't see why they shouldn't as long as the person being vaccinated is not allergic. Not getting the vaccination can help spread the disease.

[mrmee]

I say "no it doesn'" because you haven't provided any evidence to vertify your claims, whereas I have.

If you'd care to explain what relevance my being vegan(for ethical reasons) has to do with the current discussion I'd greatly appreciate it.


Yes. But those diseases no longer pose a risk to humanity because of vaccines. Even the diseases that are still around in some parts of the world like polio are only still around because not everyone has been able to be vaccinated. If everyone in the world were to get the polio vaccine it would be wiped off the face of the earth completely in a matter of decades, and become like smallpox, with only a few remaining samples locked away in labs securely.

If you wish to believe you've "won" the conversation, be my guest; because I am not going to say the same thing over and over just so you can say I'm wrong and that I have no verification, where in reality, I do.
Just for clarification, you being vegan shows me that you are gullible and will believe most anything some crackpot tells you, like "we shouldn't eat meat because we can't hurt those poor animals. What about the animals feelings?". Before you say you decided to be vegan all by yourself, think, how would you have even thought of being vegan without other people telling you to?

I will not be further responding to this thread, as you will not agree with me, as I will not agree with you. If you want to think vaccines work, go ahead. It's your life, do with it as you please. As for me, I will continue not getting vaccines or anything the vaccines are made to repel. Good day sir.

[Gamma Male]

If you wish to believe you've "won" the conversation, be my guest; because I am not going to say the same thing over and over just so you can say I'm wrong and that I have no verification, where in reality, I do.

Feel free to present this vertificatiom anytime.
Just for clarification, you being vegan shows me that you are gullible and will believe most anything some crackpot tells you, like "we shouldn't eat meat because we can't hurt those poor animals. What about the animals feelings?". Before you say you decided to be vegan all by yourself, think, how would you have even thought of being vegan without other people telling you to?
I'm vegan because I don't think the way we treat animals before eating and using them is unethical. I do not know any other vegans or vegetarians. I've read books on veganism that have contributed to my being vegan, because they presented me with new information which I carefully considered and thought about.

But anyway, even if being vegan WAS a sign of gullibility(which it isn't), it's still an irrelevant ad hominem. Criticise the argument, not the person presenting the argument.

I will not be further responding to this thread, as you will not agree with me, as I will not agree with you. If you want to think vaccines work, go ahead. It's your life, do with it as you please. As for me, I will continue not getting vaccines or anything the vaccines are made to repel. Good day sir.

Okay then. Please never have children.