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Hauptmann Kauffman
March 12th, 2008, 12:22 PM
Why do so many people value their pets over the a stranger on the street? Why do people buy their dogs gold chains instead f giving to the poor? I have my own opinion, which I'll share after one or two responses:)

Aηdy
March 12th, 2008, 12:27 PM
Because they are emotionally attached to them.

Hauptmann Kauffman
March 12th, 2008, 12:30 PM
Thats true, but is that really enough to say, save your cat in the boat before the man drowning next to it? A human life is obviously worth more, so why the pet?

Now for my view on this: Since humans first evolved from Apes, we had a dog like "pack" society. Our family is our pack. Our dog is a part of our family. So of course you would value the animal over a human from another "pack". But then again, from a religious point of view, since animals dont have souls, and humans do, why save the animal over the human?

Aηdy
March 12th, 2008, 01:41 PM
But you're not going to buy a birthday present for random people you don't know, whether their homeless or not, you might give them some lose change sometimes, but you don't know them nor do you really care about them.

Say for example one night someone stole your dog, and you found out it had bean beaten to death, you'd be devistated. But if you found out that the woman 8 doors down the road had been beaten to death, you'd be shocked, but not devistated like how you would feel about your dog, simply because you are emotionally attached and you love that dog to a certen extent. The lady up the road you may have seen a couple of times, but you wont have any emotional attatchment to her.

Hauptmann Kauffman
March 12th, 2008, 01:43 PM
Ok, I understand what you are saying, and agree completely. But what about from the religous perspective? Since animals dont have souls, and humans do, why save the animal over the human?

Aηdy
March 12th, 2008, 01:44 PM
Well I have no opinion from a religios point of view lol. They can believe what they want :P

Maverick
March 12th, 2008, 01:45 PM
Do you really think if you're in such a split second decision you can just logically think out what you want to do?

serial-thrilla
March 12th, 2008, 01:45 PM
Thats true, but is that really enough to say, save your cat in the boat before the man drowning next to it? A human life is obviously worth more, so why the pet?

Now for my view on this: Since humans first evolved from Apes, we had a dog like "pack" society. Our family is our pack. Our dog is a part of our family. So of course you would value the animal over a human from another "pack". But then again, from a religious point of view, since animals dont have souls, and humans do, why save the animal over the human?uhh who says that any of us have souls?

Aηdy
March 12th, 2008, 01:46 PM
Who was that to lol? (ant)

Edit: [email protected]

Maverick
March 12th, 2008, 01:48 PM
Who was that to lol? (ant)
My post was to this:

Thats true, but is that really enough to say, save your cat in the boat before the man drowning next to it? A human life is obviously worth more, so why the pet?

Aηdy
March 12th, 2008, 01:50 PM
Ah I see. My responce to that (further lol..) is, the cat has just as much right to survive as the human in my views.

Whisper
March 12th, 2008, 02:17 PM
My pet would die
Simple as that
I love my dogs I really truly do
but
Over a human life
ya
no
But that situation will never happen with me
I keep my animals out of harms way to begin with

Just like if I'm driving I won't swerve to miss a rabbit or a dog w/e
Because swerving iratically causes allot of accidence's
A girl and three of her friends died here a few yrs ago because she swerved to miss a rabbit on a dirt road rolled the car and smashed roof first into a culvert
I'm assuming the rabbit hopped away and was eattin a few days later by a lynx

Underground_Network
March 12th, 2008, 03:39 PM
Animals=Humans. The only thing that makes us better than them is our superior intellect (which some humans do lack [none on this site that I am aware of :D]). We both have organs, muscle, tissue, are composed of cells, etc. There's not that much of a difference. If I had to choose, I would probably help out which ever was closer/more dear to me. If it was my pet or a stranger I would choose my pet. I am not someone though, who would buy a gold chain for my dog and not donate to the poor. That's a bit of an obsession or strange attachment to your dog. If anything I think putting clothes or jewelry on a dog is just plain idiotic. If I had to choose between donating to say, an animal shelter or to the poor, I would probably split the money I was willing to donate and donate an equal amount to each. I don't value animal life over human life, but I do not value human life over animal life either.

The Batman
March 12th, 2008, 04:33 PM
There is not really proof that we evolved from apes(but i wont say its not plausible) its just a theory but another reason someone would save their pet over a stranger is maybe that society has gone down the drain and you might save the drowning man but whats going to stop him from pushing you off the boat and saving his pets. Also when people who aren't available to have kids buy a pet most of the time that pet becomes their child and the same love they would feel for a real kid is right there being given to that pet and to them getting rid of that pet is like trying to kill a little kid.

Mzor203
March 12th, 2008, 04:36 PM
A human life is obviously worth more, so why the pet?

Personally, I don't agree with this statement at all. Seeing as cats and dogs have the ability of things like having fun, their intelligence is close to ours. Really the only thing keeping them down is their lack of language and the right kind of body build to create things.

They also are better than us in one way, which is that they are beyond good and evil. Cats don't go and murder people without reason, not with the intent and purpose of being evil. Animals such as these are righteous creatures, doing what they can to survive and breed, and not harming anyone for reasons other than self protection and the protection of their offspring.

Now, it is not neccessarily that the pet deserves anything more than we, but they should have equal oppurtunity to live their lives to the fullest.

Hauptmann Kauffman
March 15th, 2008, 02:37 PM
So Mzor, because these animals have feelings we should give them an equal opportunity to live as a thinking, loving, intelligent human being? That really makes no sense. We are at the top of the food chain, we have unmatched intelligence, social hierarchy, etc. We are worth more than a dog.

Underground_Network
March 15th, 2008, 02:44 PM
Though I have to somewhat agree with you Yuri. People develop emotional attachments. There are people out there who would rather save their watch then save a homeless man. In other words some people WILL value THEIR dog's life over another person's life. In some cases if it were a person's dog or a random person on the street, they would choose their dog, because they have become emotionally attached to it and can't even handle the thought of losing him/her. I say him/her because a dog is not an IT. Anyways, I know that when you lose an animal that you've become really attached to, it can be almost as devastating as losing a close family member (not like your mother or father or a sibling, but like a cousin or even a really close friend)

But anyways, read my initial post, because I really got everything [else]
I needed to say out there, and don't feel like simply restating my other opinions.

japanman
March 15th, 2008, 03:22 PM
rofl lol omg ok this is so funny dont think like that we are all animals just we are more intelligent its basic truth you fight to survive thats why you see sharks and other animals eating us because we are on top of the food chain they are just trying to survive its the way of live you fight to survive :yes:

Underground_Network
March 15th, 2008, 03:25 PM
^^ And what exactly does that have to do with the main idea of this thread lol. The first part of your post made some sense, but then the end throw me completely off lol.

japanman
March 15th, 2008, 03:30 PM
lol sry bout that but its ture we are all animals and we are most inelligent so we are on top but that may change because top dog usualy dies.