Contacting Ronnie/Scarface

[Caligari]

I talked to Ronnie via Emails and occaisonally Skype for a couple of years before I joined VT (I know that might sound a little strange, but it is what is is).
I know he's gone now
Anyway It's been a while since we talked and I was wondering how I could contact him?
You see according to my Email account, his @virtualteen Email address is no longer in service and I haven't seen him on Skype either.
I was wondering if one of you admins or mods could give me his new Email address, if you have it just PM me with it, thanks.

Also tell me if you know he's all right.
He always seems a little fatalistic (not sure if that's the right word) to me.
Like he was 100% positive he would live a short life and not even make it to middle-age.

If you have any info, it would be greatly appreciated.

[Cognizant]

If his vt email isn't in service, it's not in service.
Some of us have his Skype ID if you need it - just shoot me a VM.

[xXl0sth0peXx]

Truthfully, we can't do that. While we do have ways of contacting him, it's up to him who he wants to have his email or whatever social media he has.. and it would be rude of us to hand it out without his permission, if we had it (I don't think I even have it). He was always usually invisable on skype, so maybe that helps you? There's nothing we can really do about his VT email though; he's not staff anymore.

I can assure you that he is alright and doing well, however I can't really give you anything more than that, for the sake of his privacy.

[Caligari]

Truthfully, we can't do that. While we do have ways of contacting him, it's up to him who he wants to have his email or whatever social media he has.. and it would be rude of us to hand it out without his permission, if we had it (I don't think I even have it). He was always usually invisable on skype, so maybe that helps you? There's nothing we can really do about his VT email though; he's not staff anymore.

I can assure you that he is alright and doing well, however I can't really give you anything more than that, for the sake of his privacy.

I know you're saying this because I'm new and could technically be an axe murderer.
But don't give me BS like for the "sake of his privacy".
What utter nonsense why, can't you just be traightforward instead?
I'd have so much more respect for you that way.

Let me spell this out for you.
I was corresponding with him via E-mail when, after stopping for say 6 months because I think he wanted me to contact him via Skype (and I had some difficulty signing up and/ or I procrastinated).
I know that that particular Email address doesn't work, because Gmail sent my Email to it back to me saying so.


Besides being patronizing and condescending your reply is unnecessary because someone already volunteered to connect me to him.
If I was a creepy stalker-like person and wanted to invade his privacy I could do so easily since I know his entire name and where he lives I could use one of those privacy-invading sites like Intelius that looks up private information for you for $2.

But I wouldn't do that, because I don't want to stalk him because I am not one of the people I mentioned earlier.
If you're wondering how I know about such sites it's because I actually made the mistake of looking myself up and ended up scaring myself. But I wouldn't worry about such sites because they only tell you portions of the truth like where the person used to live and their previous telephone number (I reserve the right to find it creepy anyway) mixed with real info.

[Harry Smith]

If I was a creepy stalker-like person and wanted to invade his privacy I could do so easily,But I wouldn't do that, because I don't want to stalk him because I am not one of the people I mentioned earlier.
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In all fairness that is what a Stalker would say....

[Caligari]

In all fairness that is what a Stalker would say....

That's true, but it's one of those catch-22's

Like if you ask someone if they're a pedophile or even just if they're a reliable person.

I never said "trust me" just don't give me BS and patronize

[Rayquaza]

Surely if someone wanted contact with you, you would already have them on external social networking media?

[Infidelitas]

Besides being patronizing and condescending your reply is unnecessary because someone already volunteered to connect me to him.

Being rude to an admin around these parts don't do you any favors.

If you can't contact him, and he doesn't reply on Skype, he might not want to talk to you. It happens and it's the story of life.

[Karkat]

I know you're saying this because I'm new and could technically be an axe murderer.
But don't give me BS like for the "sake of his privacy".
What utter nonsense why, can't you just be traightforward instead?
I'd have so much more respect for you that way.

Let me spell this out for you.
I was corresponding with him via E-mail when, after stopping for say 6 months because I think he wanted me to contact him via Skype (and I had some difficulty signing up and/ or I procrastinated).
I know that that particular Email address doesn't work, because Gmail sent my Email to it back to me saying so.


Besides being patronizing and condescending your reply is unnecessary because someone already volunteered to connect me to him.
If I was a creepy stalker-like person and wanted to invade his privacy I could do so easily since I know his entire name and where he lives I could use one of those privacy-invading sites like Intelius that looks up private information for you for $2.

But I wouldn't do that, because I don't want to stalk him because I am not one of the people I mentioned earlier.
If you're wondering how I know about such sites it's because I actually made the mistake of looking myself up and ended up scaring myself. But I wouldn't worry about such sites because they only tell you portions of the truth like where the person used to live and their previous telephone number (I reserve the right to find it creepy anyway) mixed with real info.

Ok, no.

Val is an ADMIN, meaning that she has final say. Patrick, as wonderful as he is, is not even part of staff. Val's answer trumps his. Her answer was neither patronizing nor BS. It's not her fault you're touchy and have what appears to be a giant chip on your shoulder. Being rude and manic over an issue that is pretty much resolved isn't going to win you any favors, it is not going to help you get your way, it could just get you infractions. If you have a problem with the way the site is ran, leave! Val isn't saying anything Mike wouldn't say, and she isn't "making anything up". She's being fair, and going by the rules that are in place. It would actually be unfair if she compromised, and let you have the info, as she wouldn't do this for anyone else.

You aren't special just because you're mad. Get over yourself.

[Gumleaf]

I know you're saying this because I'm new and could technically be an axe murderer.
But don't give me BS like for the "sake of his privacy".
What utter nonsense why, can't you just be traightforward instead?
I'd have so much more respect for you that way.

Let me spell this out for you.
I was corresponding with him via E-mail when, after stopping for say 6 months because I think he wanted me to contact him via Skype (and I had some difficulty signing up and/ or I procrastinated).
I know that that particular Email address doesn't work, because Gmail sent my Email to it back to me saying so.


Besides being patronizing and condescending your reply is unnecessary because someone already volunteered to connect me to him.
If I was a creepy stalker-like person and wanted to invade his privacy I could do so easily since I know his entire name and where he lives I could use one of those privacy-invading sites like Intelius that looks up private information for you for $2.

But I wouldn't do that, because I don't want to stalk him because I am not one of the people I mentioned earlier.
If you're wondering how I know about such sites it's because I actually made the mistake of looking myself up and ended up scaring myself. But I wouldn't worry about such sites because they only tell you portions of the truth like where the person used to live and their previous telephone number (I reserve the right to find it creepy anyway) mixed with real info.

I wouldn't normally comment in threads like this, but I feel like I should here. I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt here because at best I think you're very naïve. The staff of this site have a duty to protect the privacy of all members of the site, which includes past active members, active members and former staff members. Staff members have absolutely no right to give out any personal information about any member to anyone else, including other members, without permission from that person.

Again, i'm taking you at face value when you say you know him. But that doesn't mean that his contact details should be just given to you. Maybe he doesn't want to talk to you? Maybe he wants nothing to do with people here now? Who knows? Staff here can't make assumptions and just give out contact details like free concert tickets. You need to realise that privacy is a real issue and if you don't respect that in other aspects of life, it could get you in trouble down the track.

[xXl0sth0peXx]

I'd rather this not turn into a bash fest, if possible.

But OP: There's a reason why Ronnie doesn't have his skype or email on VT, and there's a reason he never has either. Honestly, in all my time here, he hasn't. If he wanted them here for people to get, he would. Knowing Ronnie, and how much he values his privacy, it would go against every belief that I have to give anything out. If you have him on Skype, message him there. You made it sound as if you did have him there, and if that's the case, he'll see it next time he's on.

I don't say any of this because you're new; I'd say the same thing to anyone who asked. I'm sorry if you think I'm being unfair or if you think my reply is "unnecessary", but the fact of the matter is as Stephen said, it is for his privacy. It's not just you, it's anyone.

[Caligari]

Ok, no.

Val is an ADMIN, meaning that she has final say. Patrick, as wonderful as he is, is not even part of staff. Val's answer trumps his. Her answer was neither patronizing nor BS. It's not her fault you're touchy and have what appears to be a giant chip on your shoulder. Being rude and manic over an issue that is pretty much resolved isn't going to win you any favors, it is not going to help you get your way, it could just get you infractions. If you have a problem with the way the site is ran, leave! Val isn't saying anything Mike wouldn't say, and she isn't "making anything up". She's being fair, and going by the rules that are in place. It would actually be unfair if she compromised, and let you have the info, as she wouldn't do this for anyone else.

You aren't special just because you're mad. Get over yourself.

OMG, all of these insults to someone you don't even know, you should get over yourself, who the hell do you think you are?

It's clear now that everyone is misunderstanding what I said
I did not say nor do I even believe that you should hand over the info, I understand your reticence to do so
I just feel that Val's comment was patronizing, condescending, and undermines my intelligence.
All I objected to was the "for the sake of his privacy" line
It's just my opinion and you can disagree with me but there were no insults, it's not like I called Val a bitch (nd no I don't think she is one).

I really dislike this whole, "Val's an admin and therefor a superior person and must be treated with more respect than an average member" type of mentality (not quoting anyone).
Being an admin or mod should be viewed as a type of service, not becoming a superior person.

And I never said he didn't resound to me on Skype, I said I didn't see him on (not that I checked all that often TBH).
There's a big difference.

I think I was a little too harsh.
But that does not excuse the nasty responses I've gotten.
And Patrick solved the problem, he can't be "trumped".
And I'm not "mad".

[Elysium]

The point is that, as staff, we have powers on the forum that members don't, and that means we have the final say over the rules and how they should be enforced. That said, you said that your problem's been resolved and this thread has obviously gone off track quite a bit so I'm going to lock it before it goes any more downhill. :locked:

[ImCoolBeans]

I know for a fact Ronnie would not appreciate any of us giving his contact information out to anybody, for any reason. That is a trust that the VT staff will not breach, under any circumstance. If you really need to get in contact with him, send me a PM, and I might be able to help him get in contact with you, if he wants to.

Also, a little advice, you'll catch many more flies with honey than you will with vinegar. Don't jump all over us for protecting somebody's privacy, when you're the one asking the favor. Not cool.