da Bible

[phuckphace]

[23]Then Jesus looked around and said to His disciples, “How hard it is for those who have riches to enter the kingdom of God!” [24]And the disciples were astonished at His words. But Jesus answered again and said to them, “Children, how hard it is for those who trust in riches to enter the kingdom of God! [25]It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”—Mark 10:23-25

ol' J.C. knew the score. hoarding wealth causes dysfunction and corruption, moral and political. you only had to listen, etc.

And He shall judge among the nations, and shall rebuke many people: and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruning hooks: nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more.—Isaiah 2:3–4

even as an atheist, I can appreciate the writing and value of the moral lessons in the Bible. this is what I find so tragic about the attitude of the New Atheists that causes them to miss out on some good stuff out of blind hatred. after all, it doesn't have to be literally true to have both social and philosophical value.

anyway yeah you guys get the idea. so I guess you guys should share your favorite parts of the Bible and why. hopefully we can get some interesting discussion going in here. however, I humbly beg the HxC Atheist Kru to please keep "the bible is stoopid" to the utmost minimum. like I said, you don't have to be religious to have at least a literary interest in the Bible.

[Lovelife090994]

ol' J.C. knew the score. hoarding wealth causes dysfunction and corruption, moral and political. you only had to listen, etc.



even as an atheist, I can appreciate the writing and value of the moral lessons in the Bible. this is what I find so tragic about the attitude of the New Atheists that causes them to miss out on some good stuff out of blind hatred. after all, it doesn't have to be literally true to have both social and philosophical value.

anyway yeah you guys get the idea. so I guess you guys should share your favorite parts of the Bible and why. hopefully we can get some interesting discussion going in here. however, I humbly beg the HxC Atheist Kru to please keep "the bible is stoopid" to the utmost minimum. like I said, you don't have to be religious to have at least a literary interest in the Bible.

The Bible has so many literary treasures and words of wisdom. It has a whole book devoted to poetry and song! (Psalms) I hate when people use the Bible for hate because that is not what God is.

[Camazotz]

It's an okay book 7/10.

I like some parts but when it gets too spooky, I don't enjoy it as much, like when he rises from the dead. I like Jesus as a historical figure though; way ahead of his times in terms of peace and non-violence. God is less likeable due to his violent and unpredictable nature. Sometimes he's good and other times he seems like a psychopath. Maybe he has bipolar disorder?

The content of the Bible is generally positive if you leave out the first half. Its stories are entertaining, and while some of them provide good insight on human nature, I don't see why it should serve as moral guidance. We have different morals nowadays and it'd be silly to expect to keep the exact same morals for thousands of years.

[TheN3rdyOutcast]

Honsstly, I used to read the bible when I was younger, until, I got to the parts that seemed creepy and so every night I was terrified that a booming disembodied voice would start yelling at me.

[Kurgg]

Jesus had some good teachings about life. Even if you don't believe on the God, you have to admit it. He taught other people to love each other, not hate or make bad things.
EDIT: Old Testament sucks though, why not just cut it off and forget the fact that Jesus tried to revision Judaism. Jews can imo have the Old Testament

[Blood]

I've read the bible through and through many times. It's has major plot holes, a bipolar god, and a guy who turns water into wine. While the teachings of Jesus in the New Testament aren't bad, they aren't good enough to cover up the bullshit going on in the Old Testament.

[Ethe14]

The bible has great teachings in it. Even those who are atheist should still read it, there are stories that they can even appreciate. I read it semi regularly though I probably should read it more.

[Dalcourt]

I've read it through I guess two times, but I've also read the Quran and other religious books. How do you want to form an opinion about religion or discuss it when you don't know what it is about?

I don't really have any favorite parts in the bible, though.

[phuckphace]

Jesus had some good teachings about life. Even if you don't believe on the God, you have to admit it. He taught other people to love each other, not hate or make bad things.
EDIT: Old Testament sucks though, why not just cut it off and forget the fact that Jesus tried to revision Judaism. Jews can imo have the Old Testament

it's actually pretty funny how Jesus came in and overturned so much of the old Jewish Law and made a bunch of people rage. in fact he once called the Jews who were trying to rain on his parade "a brood of vipers." nicely trolled. :D

Edit: yes I will admit that it does get 2spooky at times, like a talking bush or donkey or whatever. but hey, at least it doesn't stay at manga-tier story levels for too long.

[Camazotz]

it's actually pretty funny how Jesus came in and overturned so much of the old Jewish Law and made a bunch of people rage. in fact he once called the Jews who were trying to rain on his parade "a brood of vipers." nicely trolled. :D

Edit: yes I will admit that it does get 2spooky at times, like a talking bush or donkey or whatever. but hey, at least it doesn't stay at manga-tier story levels for too long.

"Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven."

Matthew 5:17-19

"The Law and the Prophets were proclaimed until John; since that time the gospel of the kingdom of God has been preached, and everyone is forcing his way into it. But it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than for one stroke of a letter of the Law to fail."

Luke 16:16-17

Jesus said to not ignore the Old Law (Old Testament) because it was the word of God. How can the word of God be outdated?

[Miserabilia]

Read it once, thought the old testament were pretty cool stories. Was kinda meh on the new testament, had alot of messages and all but I wasn't really drawn to it, like it didn't give me any revelation or epifiny or something.

[Kurgg]

Edit: yes I will admit that it does get 2spooky at times, like a talking bush or donkey or whatever. but hey, at least it doesn't stay at manga-tier story levels for too long.
True. I don't think though that it is
so important that it needs to be there. It's basically a history book about Israelites. I don't think people will read Bible if they want to know about it.

[Calyx]

I meant to at least read some of it but have never got round to it and as I'm not religious I don't feel I need to either.

[gothy]

Im not really into reading anything other than magazines , blogs and lyrics. Lol

[Harry Smith]

Tbh simpsons sums it up pretty well

http://i.imgur.com/wUqjN.jpg

[Elvalight]

I've never read the whole thing, but plan to some day. You get a lot more out of it when you read it yourself and understand what you will, rather than going to church and having someone tell they think. I don't go to church that much any more since the ones I've gone to over the years discriminate against gays, but the bible will always hold a special place in my heart and I'll believe his word rather than the words of stupid people. Jesus was a pretty good role model, dontcha think :p

[Gamma Male]

True. I don't think though that it is
so important that it needs to be there. It's basically a history book about Israelites. I don't think people will read Bible if they want to know about it.
Not a history book. Call it what you want, but it isn't factually accurate. The jews were never enslaved by the Egyptians, for one. Its more like the greek myths. Semi historical but mostly legend.
I've read the bible through and through many times. It's has major plot holes, a bipolar god, and a guy who turns water into wine. While the teachings of Jesus in the New Testament aren't bad, they aren't good enough to cover up the bullshit going on in the Old Testament.

Yeah. The problem is for every "love thy neighbour" verse there's like 3 where someone is murdered for some trivial reason.

[Kurgg]

Not a history book. Call it what you want, but it isn't factually accurate. The jews were never enslaved by the Egyptians, for one. Its more like the greek myths. Semi historical but mostly legend.
This makes my point even clearer: Old Testament is useless. The most important message of Christianity is in New Testament.

So, let's call it a legend book about Israelites.

[Sir Suomi]

Spoiler Alert: Jesus dies like half way through the book :P

No, as a former Christian, I read through the Bible a few times, and if you read majority of the Bible, it's filled with good moral lessons. It is a shame that so called "Christians" use it as an excuse to be total assholes to people.

[Camazotz]

Not a history book. Call it what you want, but it isn't factually accurate. The jews were never enslaved by the Egyptians, for one. Its more like the greek myths. Semi historical but mostly legend.

It's similar to the Greek myths, but considered to be more historically accurate than you're making it out to be. If you were comparing it to the Trojan War, then yes, both the Old Testament and the Trojan War were both historical events that were then written with some mythology mixed in, but the general history is pretty accurate.

The Hebrews interpreted history as an explanation of God’s will and divine intervention. Every historical event was part of God’s plan, and that history cycled through “processes of nature” which were God’s punishments and rewards for Man’s actions. Their view of history was not necessarily objective because the writers did not purposefully record events for future reference, but rather to interpret the events that unfolded as an explanation for God’s will for the Hebrews. They believed that everything had meaning, and that regardless of whether people are aware of God’s plan, there was a reason why God wanted things to go a certain way. This idea applied to all cultures, including those who were not monotheistic, meaning the Hebrews viewed that all nations were subjected to God’s will, and would be punished if they lived with sin.

Considering these facts, history written by the Hebrews can be considered legitimate (in most instances) because their records serve as a commentary for events; they explained what happened, and also gave possibilities of why they may have happened.

In the third year of Hoshea son of Elah king of Israel, Hezekiah son of Ahaz king of Judah began to reign. 2 He was twenty-five years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem twenty-nine years. His mother’s name was Abijah[a] daughter of Zechariah. 3 He did what was right in the eyes of the Lord, just as his father David had done. 4 He removed the high places, smashed the sacred stones and cut down the Asherah poles. He broke into pieces the bronze snake Moses had made, for up to that time the Israelites had been burning incense to it. (It was called Nehushtan.[b])

5 Hezekiah trusted in the Lord, the God of Israel. There was no one like him among all the kings of Judah, either before him or after him. 6 He held fast to the Lord and did not stop following him; he kept the commands the Lord had given Moses. 7 And the Lord was with him; he was successful in whatever he undertook. He rebelled against the king of Assyria and did not serve him. 8 From watchtower to fortified city, he defeated the Philistines, as far as Gaza and its territory.

9 In King Hezekiah’s fourth year, which was the seventh year of Hoshea son of Elah king of Israel, Shalmaneser king of Assyria marched against Samaria and laid siege to it. 10 At the end of three years the Assyrians took it. So Samaria was captured in Hezekiah’s sixth year, which was the ninth year of Hoshea king of Israel. 11 The king of Assyria deported Israel to Assyria and settled them in Halah, in Gozan on the Habor River and in towns of the Medes. 12 This happened because they had not obeyed the Lord their God, but had violated his covenant—all that Moses the servant of the Lord commanded. They neither listened to the commands nor carried them out.

13 In the fourteenth year of King Hezekiah’s reign, Sennacherib king of Assyria attacked all the fortified cities of Judah and captured them. 14 So Hezekiah king of Judah sent this message to the king of Assyria at Lachish: “I have done wrong. Withdraw from me, and I will pay whatever you demand of me.” The king of Assyria exacted from Hezekiah king of Judah three hundred talents[c] of silver and thirty talents[d] of gold. 15 So Hezekiah gave him all the silver that was found in the temple of the Lord and in the treasuries of the royal palace.

16 At this time Hezekiah king of Judah stripped off the gold with which he had covered the doors and doorposts of the temple of the Lord, and gave it to the king of Assyria.

2 Kings 18:1-16

In this passage, there's not much bias for/against King Hezekiah or the Assyrians, although there were subtle tones against the Assyrians, who forced the King Hezekiah to pay a large ransom of money. Since history was interpreted in moral reasoning, they may have exaggerated certain events in order to support their own beliefs and their own people.

As a whole, the Bible can be used as a source of history for events and people, but not necessarily for explaining why they happened. So I would rephrase what you said: mostly historical but sprinkled with myth.

[Jean Poutine]

I've skimmed it a few times. Yeah the New Testament is good stuff, but let's be honest with ourselves, the morals it teaches are mostly obvious.

I can't read the Old Testament. I've never seen a book where millions die by tons of sometimes quite imaginative ways, like being torn to shreds by bears, that was so boring to read. It's the same reason I can't read epic poetry : even if the basic story is decent, the aggravating focus on uninteresting and minute details that goes on for pages and pages really grinds my gears.

[Lovelife090994]

This makes my point even clearer: Old Testament is useless. The most important message of Christianity is in New Testament.

So, let's call it a legend book about Israelites.

Not a history book. Call it what you want, but it isn't factually accurate. The jews were never enslaved by the Egyptians, for one. Its more like the greek myths. Semi historical but mostly legend.


Yeah. The problem is for every "love thy neighbour" verse there's like 3 where someone is murdered for some trivial reason.

You may want to reevaluate your words. If there is one thing the Bible is full of it's history. The Bible is more than a book, it is a record of history, a book of wisdom, a book of faith, a book of ideas, a book that tells the consequences of love and hate, a book that tells of one of the greatest figures in history, and so much more. The Bible has so much history of the Jews and Christians that you cannot avoid history when you open a Bible.

[Horatio Nelson]

I've read the bible countless times. I don't read it everyday, but I read it often. Proverbs is my favorite book.

Proverbs 1:8-19

8 Hear, my son, your father’s instruction,
and forsake not your mother’s teaching,
9* for they are a graceful garland for your head
and pendants for your neck.
10* My son, if sinners entice you,
do not consent.
11* If they say, “Come with us, let us lie in wait for blood;
let us ambush the innocent without reason;
12* like Sheol let us swallow them alive,
and whole, like those who go down to the pit;
13* we shall find all precious goods,
we shall fill our houses with plunder;
14* throw in your lot among us;
we will all have one purse”—
15* my son, do not walk in the way with them; hold back your foot from their paths,
16* for their feet run to evil,
and they make haste to shed blood.
17* For in vain is a net spread
in the sight of any bird,
18* but these men lie in wait for their own blood;
they set an ambush for their own lives.
19* Such are the ways of everyone who is greedy for unjust gain;
it takes away the life of its possessors.

I feel like that could be applied to anyone's life, no matter your beliefs.

[Kurgg]

You may want to reevaluate your words. If there is one thing the Bible is full of it's history. The Bible is more than a book, it is a record of history, a book of wisdom, a book of faith, a book of ideas, a book that tells the consequences of love and hate, a book that tells of one of the greatest figures in history, and so much more. The Bible has so much history of the Jews and Christians that you cannot avoid history when you open a Bible.
As Gamma said, it is pretty unaccurate. Yeah, maybe the book holds so much in it but I still believe that most of the good things in the Bible is in New Testament Old Testament is a mixture of legend and lawbook about and for Israelites/Jews.

[Lovelife090994]

As Gamma said, it is pretty unaccurate. Yeah, maybe the book holds so much in it but I still believe that most of the good things in the Bible is in New Testament Old Testament is a mixture of legend and lawbook about and for Israelites/Jews.

I wouldn't say it's inaccurate. If anything the details may be different depending on who or what changed and or deleted them. The Bible tells a lot of the Jews and early Christians. And while Christianity has such major ties to the New Testament, the old is the history. Leviticus in a way is a book of ancient Jewish law.

[PinkFloyd]

Honestly, I've only seen the outside and maybe opened it a few times but never read any thing. I have no idea how the chapter marking things work. Like John 3:16 makes no sense to me at all. A name and 2 numbers separated by a colon?

[Miserabilia]

Honestly, I've only seen the outside and maybe opened it a few times but never read any thing. I have no idea how the chapter marking things work. Like John 3:16 makes no sense to me at all. A name and 2 numbers separated by a colon?

I think it's like "{name of book*} {chapter**}:{sentence}
{John} { 3 } : { 16 }

*So like John, Genesis, etc

** I don't know a better word for it. The creation of earth is the first chapter of genesis, if that makes any sense.

[Lovelife090994]

I think it's like "{name of book*} {chapter**}:{sentence}
{John} { 3 } : { 16 }

*So like John, Genesis, etc

** I don't know a better word for it. The creation of earth is the first chapter of genesis, if that makes any sense.

Was that even English?

[Gamma Male]

You may want to reevaluate your words. If there is one thing the Bible is full of it's history. The Bible is more than a book, it is a record of history, a book of wisdom, a book of faith, a book of ideas, a book that tells the consequences of love and hate, a book that tells of one of the greatest figures in history, and so much more. The Bible has so much history of the Jews and Christians that you cannot avoid history when you open a Bible.

The new testament may have lots of historically accurate passages, but the old testament does not. Most biblical scholars would agree with me on this.

[Miserabilia]

Was that even English?

Haha sorry :lol:
I tend to do that. Well atleast I understood my own explanation.

Book + Chapter + sentence

Genesis + 1 + 1

Gensis 1:1

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

[Lovelife090994]

Haha sorry :lol:
I tend to do that. Well atleast I understood my own explanation.

Book + Chapter + sentence

Genesis + 1 + 1

Gensis 1:1

In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.

Yes God did create the Heavens and the Earth, Amen. What's the issue?

[Camazotz]

Yes God did create the Heavens and the Earth, Amen. What's the issue?

He was trying to answer Rob's question, which was...

I have no idea how the chapter marking things work. Like John 3:16 makes no sense to me at all. A name and 2 numbers separated by a colon?

The Bible is a very rough, general outline to be used as historical fact, both the Old Testament and the New Testament. Some of the events probably happened as described, but it's more likely that only parts of every book are true.

[LuciferSam]

I go to Catholic school, so I read it, but not willingly lol

[DisneyPrincess27]

I've never read the whole bible before. I only read Genesis-Deuteronomy, the 4 gospels, Pslams, and Revelation

[micheal951]

I have never read the bible as I am atheist and do not believe in any of it, but I would actually love to read it as I can not make a "judgement" on something if I do not fully understand it.

[xXl0sth0peXx]

I didn't select an option in the poll because nothing really suits me. I haven't read it, but I've done more than open it.

[Typhlosion]

I started reading the bible up to the middle of Exodus. It was when I was starting college and all the frat hazing took a lot of my time. I may go back to reading it.

[Body odah Man]

Gotta admit I've been lax on reaidng it, but I'm going to

[Stronk Serb]

I skimmed through it once as a kid. I was scared of all that crap about punishing that I stopped reading.