Cause of gay

[green white]

Guys, I read in some articles. I conclude that. I think God give us some choice be straight, gay, or bi. Then some reason can make us gay, bi or staright. It's right?
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[Body odah Man]

No, that's just Christian BS I believe. I think you're just born with it or not.

[Elysium]

Puberty for Boys :arrow: Teen Sexuality & Gender

At this point, there's no right or wrong answer as to what causes homosexuality. For now, you'll just have to believe in whatever explanation makes the most sense to you.

[TheN3rdyOutcast]

No one really knows for sure what causes homo and bisexuality, perhaps we were born with it, caused by a surge of the opposite gender's hormones in the womb.

[Bull]

People are born with their sexuality. Their choice is how they act out their sexuality. Some people discover their sexuality at an early age, others well after puberty. Some do a lot of experimenting before becoming comfortable with who they really are. Some never become comfortable with their sexuality which is unfortunate in that they do not enjoy life. We are what we are, we can't change that: we can embrace it and enjoy it, or we can try to deny it and be miserable.

[Babs]

Nah son. Its not a choice. Its that simple.

[Gamma Male]

Research is sparce, but data suggests that it may be a combination of genetics and chemical imbalances in the womb.

But those are mainly just hypotheses, we really don't know for sure. People who say it's a choice are probably just bisexuals in denial.

[Camazotz]

Even if it was a choice (it's not), I don't see why it would be a big deal.

[Hermes]

There is loads of information in Wikipedia in the article entitled "Biology and sexual orientation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation)".

...People who say it's a choice are probably just bisexuals in denial.

Bisexuals in denial of what?

It would be conventient to those who believe that the acceptability of gay behaviour depends on being able to establish that people have no choice in the matter if all those people who identify as bisexual could be written off as gay but afraid to admit it because that would imply that no-one has a choice. Wishing that does not make it so.

If someone is close to the middle of the Kinsey scale, i.e. attracted to both sexes with close to equal levels of attraction then cleary there is an element of choice there, or alternatively an element of luck, as to who that person takes up with and the sex of that partner. People towards the end of the scale - strongly attracted to one sex and either weakly attracted to the other or not attracted to the other at all - would not have any such choice.

I have no reason to doubt that people can appear anywhere on the Kinsey scale. I also do not see the establishment of non-choice as necessary for allowing people of any sexual orientation equal rights and privileges and allowing them to live their lives.

[Gamma Male]

There is loads of information in Wikipedia in the article entitled "Biology and sexual orientation (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation)".



Bisexuals in denial of what?

It would be conventient to those who believe that the acceptability of gay behaviour depends on being able to establish that people have no choice in the matter if all those people who identify as bisexual could be written off as gay but afraid to admit it because that would imply that no-one has a choice. Wishing that does not make it so.

If someone is close to the middle of the Kinsey scale, i.e. attracted to both sexes with close to equal levels of attraction then cleary there is an element of choice there, or alternatively an element of luck, as to who that person takes up with and the sex of that partner. People towards the end of the scale - strongly attracted to one sex and either weakly attracted to the other or not attracted to the other at all - would not have any such choice.

I have no reason to doubt that people can appear anywhere on the Kinsey scale. I also do not see the establishment of non-choice as necessary for allowing people of any sexual orientation equal rights and privileges and allowing them to live their lives.
I agree, but there are cases of homophobes publicly coming out as having experienced same sex attraction and "overcome" them. Most of those people are either bisexuals who've managed to suppress their same sex attractions in favor of hetero attractions or, and probably less common, gays who're really deep in denial, and probably miserable.

I'm gay myself by the way.

[Lovelife090994]

I agree, but there are cases of homophobes publicly coming out as having experienced same sex attraction and "overcome" them. Most of those people are either bisexuals who've managed to suppress their same sex attractions in favor of hetero attractions or, and probably less common, gays who're really deep in denial, and probably miserable.

I'm gay myself by the way.

No... that's not true. I'm bisexual, I'm in no way scared of gay people. Homophobia is not really the right word here. I think the term should be biased people. If a person carries prejudice to gays it in no way makes them gay. I can be prejudiced to Whites and never be White.

[Gamma Male]

No... that's not true. I'm bisexual, I'm in no way scared of gay people. Homophobia is not really the right word here. I think the term should be biased people. If a person carries prejudice to gays it in no way makes them gay. I can be prejudiced to Whites and never be White.

What? All I was saying was that some homophobes are really gay or bi themselves but in denial.

And yes, "phobia" traditionally means an intense fear, but the English language is constantly evolving and there are plenty of words that mean something different than what they should.

Besides, in my opinion the common usage of a word is more important than the semantics.

[Lovelife090994]

What? All I was saying was that some homophobes are really gay or bi themselves but in denial.

And yes, "phobia" traditionally means an intense fear, but the English language is constantly evolving and there are plenty of words that mean something different than what they should.

Besides, in my opinion the common usage of a word is more important than the semantics.

Is it so bad to be in denial or against something? Imagine the fear in someone's head to be something they have an issue to. You'd be scared to and you'd wish to not be so flawed in your view, right? Why not help the people in denial and uncover what may be wrong. Not everyone is going to agree on everything. If we could all agree then this Earth would be an equal utopia but it isn't and may never be. I'm just saying maybe instead try and help stop the bias before calling it hatred. There is a difference. I have met many people with a bias to me and many who may literally hate what I am, but I won't hate them or write about them, I'd talk if possible and help. I've always said my thoughts since I've a lot to say. Sorry if that disturbs you. I've tried not to reply but my mind wouldn't allow it.

[Gamma Male]

Is it so bad to be in denial or against something? Imagine the fear in someone's head to be something they have an issue to. You'd be scared to and you'd wish to not be so flawed in your view, right? Why not help the people in denial and uncover what may be wrong. Not everyone is going to agree on everything. If we could all agree then this Earth would be an equal utopia but it isn't and may never be. I'm just saying maybe instead try and help stop the bias before calling it hatred. There is a difference. I have met many people with a bias to me and many who may literally hate what I am, but I won't hate them or write about them, I'd talk if possible and help. I've always said my thoughts since I've a lot to say. Sorry if that disturbs you. I've tried not to reply but my mind wouldn't allow it.

Homophobes are not defined by hatred but by discrimination. You don't have to hate gays to be a homophobe, just like you don't have to hate blacks to be racist.

[Lovelife090994]

Homophobes are not defined by hatred but by discrimination. You don't have to hate gays to be a homophobe, just like you don't have to hate blacks to be racist.

That may be true. Although to me all racists have some hatred there.

[fast8]

Either you born with it or not that's it

[CrazyPerson101]

Guys, I read in some articles. I conclude that. I think God give us some choice be straight, gay, or bi. Then some reason can make us gay, bi or staright. It's right?
:cool:

Ok God did give us free choice and that is that. Now we can choose what we are , we aren't just born with it ( Bebop ) , It depends on your beliefs and how strong you are in them, also on your family , whats cool and not cool and whatever. You're not just born gay bi or whatever, its whats taught to you and if agree or dissagree.

No, that's just Christian BS I believe. I think you're just born with it or not.

The bible isn't BS , If you don't believe in it or the Christian religion thats fine but that was kinda rude.

[Body odah Man]

Ok God did give us free choice and that is that. Now we can choose what we are , we aren't just born with it ( Bebop ) , It depends on your beliefs and how strong you are in them, also on your family , whats cool and not cool and whatever. You're not just born gay bi or whatever, its whats taught to you and if agree or dissagree.



The bible isn't BS , If you don't believe in it or the Christian religion thats fine but that was kinda rude.
Reread the post. I never said the Bible was bs and was referring to those articles the OP mentioned(I respect the Bible and Christianity) so please don't give my words unintended meanings. What I MEANT was that it's bs to say that it's a choice you make to be gay or not and that, logically, you can be cured from it, but it's a thing determined from birth. If the bible says otherwise then I will retract my comment, but in my defence my Biblical knowledge isn't good enough to know every tiny thing the Bible says.

[CrazyPerson101]

Reread the post. I never said the Bible was bs and was referring to those articles the OP mentioned(I respect the Bible and Christianity) so please don't give my words unintended meanings. What I MEANT was that it's bs to say that it's a choice you make to be gay or not and that, logically, you can be cured from it, but it's a thing determined from birth. If the bible says otherwise then I will retract my comment, but in my defence my Biblical knowledge isn't good enough to know every tiny thing the Bible says.


Ok, I did re-read it, and I think differently fromo "normal" or other people so I got something totally different out of it ( sorry for being a butt :/ ) Anyway Now that you've given me what you were saying, I understand what you meant

[Body odah Man]

Ok, I did re-read it, and I think differently fromo "normal" or other people so I got something totally different out of it ( sorry for being a butt :/ ) Anyway Now that you've given me what you were saying, I understand what you meant

's All cool :) Just didn't want you mad with me

[CrazyPerson101]

's All cool :) Just didn't want you mad with me


Otay well im not and im sorry again

[Dennis98]

This is type of questions where I am very rude to some people .... I will try to be calm ... You can see from my signature that I am Extreme Rightist , so you probbably know my opinion about homosexuality ( I dont want to be rude on forum ) ... Anyway , I think that you can choose your own sexuality , and God hasnt nothing with it .... Story about female hormons in fagg persons are just nebula ... That stories are placed in public by fagg scientists ( because they know that it is not normal , so they tried to "wash their hands" as my people say) with stories about surplus of female hormons in fagg persons .... Anyway , faggs know very well their status on Balkan ( they can just remember what happened October the 10th 2009 , because army and police was sent to evacuate them , it was like civil war in Belgrade that day or failed 2002 "Pride" ( read as Shame) which was more violent than 2009 ) ... So they are hiding very well from family oriented society with truth familiar values , mostly Extreme Righist , Traditional and very Conservative society , because they know what would people do them ... So , homosexuality is taboo theme here ...

[Gamma Male]

This is type of questions where I am very rude to some people .... I will try to be calm ... You can see from my signature that I am Extreme Rightist , so you probbably know my opinion about homosexuality ( I dont want to be rude on forum ) ... Anyway , I think that you can choose your own sexuality , and God hasnt nothing with it .... Story about female hormons in fagg persons are just nebula ... That stories are placed in public by fagg scientists ( because they know that it is not normal , so they tried to "wash their hands" as my people say) with stories about surplus of female hormons in fagg persons .... Anyway , faggs know very well their status on Balkan ( they can just remember what happened October the 10th 2009 , because army and police was sent to evacuate them , it was like civil war in Belgrade that day or failed 2002 "Pride" ( read as Shame) which was more violent than 2009 ) ... So they are hiding very well from family oriented society with truth familiar values , mostly Extreme Righist , Traditional and very Conservative society , because they know what would people do them ... So , homosexuality is taboo theme here ...

I know you probably don't know this because English isn't your first language(i think), but "fag" is actually considered a really offensive and hateful word. I'm not mad because I doubt you meant it that way, I'm just pointing it out so you can avoid using it in the future.

[Dennis98]

What is difference between faggot or gay .. Thoose words have same meaning , and everyone can choose which of theese terms will use ... I dont want to offend anyone on forum , but gay is word that appeared in speaking and writing in 21st century , so people always used word faggot before ... Anyway , in my country we use faggot ( when we speak English ) , there is also word gay in our language but we use word PEDER ( same meaning as faggot ) instead of GEJ ( gay on English )

[Gamma Male]

What is difference between faggot or gay .. Thoose words have same meaning , and everyone can choose which of theese terms will use ... I dont want to offend anyone on forum , but gay is word that appeared in speaking and writing in 21st century , so people always used word faggot before ... Anyway , in my country we use faggot ( when we speak English ) , there is also word gay in our language but we use word PEDER ( same meaning as faggot ) instead of GEJ ( gay on English )

Yes, but America and Europe where most VTers reside "fag" and "gay" don't mean the same thing. Fag is considered offensive and hateful, gay isn't. Saying they mean the same thing is like saying the n word means the same as black or that "wetback" means the same as Mexican. One is offensive, one isn't.

[Dennis98]

Anyway , maybe you see faggot as offending word , but most of normal ( straight , as you on West say for sexualy normal oriented people ) dont ... No matter I use faggot or gay , I still dont like faggs ( sorry if I offend you , but I can not change my opinion ) , so I really dont care is it considered hateful or not , if it is hateful meaning , why some "democratic" country on the West , dont forbid that word , if it has hateful or offending meaning ??? Anyway , there is freedom of speech , so we can choose which word are we going to use or not ...

[Gamma Male]

Anyway , maybe you see faggot as offending word , but most of normal ( straight , as you on West say for sexualy normal oriented people ) dont ... No matter I use faggot or gay , I still dont like faggs ( sorry if I offend you , but I can not change my opinion ) , so I really dont care is it considered hateful or not , if it is hateful meaning , why some "democratic" country on the West , dont forbid that word , if it has hateful or offending meaning ??? Anyway , there is freedom of speech , so we can choose which word are we going to use or not ...

So could I use offensive slurs to describe you if I didn't like muslims or brown people?

[TheGuest]

I think people arent born gay. Men can be born with a little more estrogen and women can be born with a little more testosterone. Just because a guy is born on the feminine side doesnt mean he has to be gay, he chooses to. Same goes for women. It really just depends on one's morality.

[ECSTASY]

i used to look for articles about such things too . but as i really trust wikipedia , this is the best one ive ever read : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_orientation
"Research has identified several biological factors which may be related to the development of sexual orientation, including genes, prenatal hormones, and brain structure. No single controlling cause has been identified, and research is continuing in this area.[57]

Though researchers generally believe that sexual orientation is not determined by any one factor but by a combination of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences,[1][13] with biological factors involving a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment,[14] they favor biological models for the cause.[13] They believe that sexual orientation is not a choice,[13][14][15][58] and some of them believe that it is established at conception.[58] That is, individuals do not choose to be homosexual, heterosexual, bisexual, or asexual. There is no substantive evidence to support the suggestion that early childhood experiences, parenting, sexual abuse, or other adverse life events influence sexual orientation; however, studies do find that aspects of sexuality expression have an experiential basis and that parental attitudes towards a particular sexual orientation may affect how children of the parents experiment with behaviors related to a certain sexual orientation.[1][13][14][59][60]"

[Dennis98]

Gamma Male - I really dont care how are you going to call muslims ... Brown people as you marked people with darker skin tone is racism , although I dont understand what did you wanted to say with "brown people" , I am white if you wanted to offend me ... Also I dont care If you like muslims or not , as secular muslim I really dont care about anyone opinion .... Third thing , EVERY RELIGION IS AGAINST FAGOTS , so I can not imagine you like some religious man , because basics of every religion is against FAGS and every religion respect another religion , so you are not probbably in this group , maybe you are member of some FAG religion or sect , where ASS and COCK are Gods .. By the way , when I type pederčina ( faggot or "gay" on my laguage , and I translate it on English , it appear FAGOT , that is only word in my language that describes not normal sexualy oriented people , so I can understand only word Fagot , because gay doesnt exist in my laguage or translate from my laguage ) ...

ECTASY - As I see you are from Iran ( great country that is valuable of every respect ) , and I really dont understand how can you belive Wikipedia , when Western scientists want to show that theory of genes is only aceptable ... You should not belive in that theories because that scietists want to "wash their hands" with that theories because that scientsts are probbably fagots too ... Fagots were considered crazy and ill people until 21st centrury , when fagot scientists tried do wash their hands with that theories ... Regards from Montenegro ...

[JustAnotherTeen]

Anyway , maybe you see faggot as offending word , but most of normal ( straight , as you on West say for sexualy normal oriented people ) dont ... No matter I use faggot or gay , I still dont like faggs ( sorry if I offend you , but I can not change my opinion ) , so I really dont care is it considered hateful or not , if it is hateful meaning , why some "democratic" country on the West , dont forbid that word , if it has hateful or offending meaning ??? Anyway , there is freedom of speech , so we can choose which word are we going to use or not ...

Ok we get it, you don't like homosexuality. However, whilst you are on this forum, fag is seen as an offensive word. If you continue to use it, I can and will report you.

[Dennis98]

I dont care really ... In my laguage there is no word gay or translation of that word only word is FAGOT , translated from pederčina ... So , do me favor , and stop bullshit , I can not write "GAY" because it doesnt exist in my laguage or in translation from my language , and If you see Fagg like offending word and you want to report me , why you dont report Gamma Male because his saying of "brown people" - that is racism ... Oh , I know , you dont want to report him because you both are Fags ...

[Harry Smith]

I dont care really ... In my laguage there is no word gay or translation of that word only word is FAGOT , translated from pederčina ... So , do me favor , and stop bullshit , I can not write "GAY" because it doesnt exist in my laguage or in translation from my language , and If you see Fagg like offending word and you want to report me , why you dont report Gamma Male because his saying of "brown people" - that is racism ... Oh , I know , you dont want to report him because you both are Fags ...

Haven't you got a rally to be marching to?

[Dennis98]

I dont know that is point of your post ? Although , I understand it , I dont see point of your unnecessarly commentating my posts ...

[StoppingTime]

I dont care really ... In my laguage there is no word gay or translation of that word only word is FAGOT , translated from pederčina ... So , do me favor , and stop bullshit , I can not write "GAY" because it doesnt exist in my laguage or in translation from my language , and If you see Fagg like offending word and you want to report me , why you dont report Gamma Male because his saying of "brown people" - that is racism ... Oh , I know , you dont want to report him because you both are Fags ...

I really don't care if the word "gay" exists in your language or not - "faggot" and its derivatives aren't words that should be directed at anyone on this forum. If you continue, you'll be infracted, frozen, or banned. So I'd suggest you stop acting in such an immature fashion on this forum.