United Kingdom Independence Party

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I'm a very, very strong supporter of UKIP, which has been met with various insults and comments from peers. Racist, sexist, homophobic. All things commonly associated with the party, which in fact are met with severe punishment if ever found out. Also, how can the other parties have the audacity to label UKIP as 'racist' when it's the only political party in the UK to prohibit former members of the BNP, EDL, Britain First et al from joining their ranks. It's almost hypocritical- every party has it's few radicals, just UKIP's are magnified.

Then there is the issue of the European Union. I used to be very pro Union, but I have since came to the realisation that it should be top of our agenda to leave it. We pay a 'membership fee' of £55 million a day. Imagine how much money that is saved over a year, at the expense of being part of a failing club who seem to want to remove all democracy, and decide the laws and rules of all it's member states. I'm sorry, but the fact that around 3/4 British Laws are decided in Brussels is a joke.

What do you guys think?

[Vlerchan]

We pay a 'membership fee' of £55 million a day.
How much do you believe is injected in to the UK from

FDI, and;
Trade with the EU,
as a result of their membership of the EU?

The problem is that UKip don't actually have a plan to replace most of this inflow. Let's not even get into their economic policy beside that.

Imagine how much money that is saved over a year ...
I'm trying but nothing is coming to me.

Would you mind presenting figures that might demonstrate how much will be saved over a year all things taken into account?

... at the expense of being part of a failing club who seem to want to remove all democracy, and decide the laws and rules of all it's member states.
It's almost like these things can't be reformed.

[Harry Smith]

Ah well you're going to love me, and hence my anti-UKIP rant. I like how the UKIP propganda has quickly washed up as well.

1)UKIP is not the ''people's army'' as Nigel Farage claims-your ran by a former banker who went to a private school, and supports Thatcherite policies-please stop claiming that you're some sort of people's group when in fact your the complete opposite .

2) yes every party has radicals-UKIP has a vast majority including a 2015 candiate who doesn't believe in the holocaust, and in the recent by election a candiate who was pro-rape and anti-gay. The list goes on, and on. Your party is full of dangerous people-not radicals-but honestly dangerous people. Also claiming 'everyone else does it, it's fine'' doesn't make it any better for UKIP-you need to wake up to the reality of your party. I've seen racist views (Farage on romanian LBC interview) I've seen sexist views(Farage saying women are worthless in the city) I've seen homophobic views (Rodger Helmer views, along with the gay marriage causing storms

2)http://www.euractiv.com/uk-europe/british-business-benefits-greatl-analysis-531518

All this has directly boosted the living standards of UK citizens, with our research suggesting that the average individual is around £1,225 better off every year from EU membership.

We also spend a lot of money on the NHS, on defence and on schools. Just because you spend money on something doesn't make it bad.

3) The issue of laws is extremely vague,and shows how slow UKIP party leaders are. We still have the legal power to block all EU laws-our parliament is still a legal soverign power that can pass, and retract any law it wants. The laws in Manchester are decided in London-that doesn't mean that Manchester should withdraw from the UK does it?

Tony Blair sums up UKIP for me-''You sit there with our flag, you do not represent our country''

Let's pray that the british people come to their senses and reject UKIP for what they are -a party who targets immigrants, blames them for every single problem in Britain and fails to accept that the year is 2014 not 1914

nylBqDwfDrE

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Ah well you're going to love me, and hence my anti-UKIP rant. I like how the UKIP propganda has quickly washed up as well.

1)UKIP is not the ''people's army'' as Nigel Farage claims-your ran by a former banker who went to a private school, and supports Thatcherite policies-please stop claiming that you're some sort of people's group when in fact your the complete opposite .

2) yes every party has radicals-UKIP has a vast majority including a 2015 candiate who doesn't believe in the holocaust, and in the recent by election a candiate who was pro-rape and anti-gay. The list goes on, and on. Your party is full of dangerous people-not radicals-but honestly dangerous people. Also claiming 'everyone else does it, it's fine'' doesn't make it any better for UKIP-you need to wake up to the reality of your party. I've seen racist views (Farage on romanian LBC interview) I've seen sexist views(Farage saying women are worthless in the city) I've seen homophobic views (Rodger Helmer views, along with the gay marriage causing storms

2)http://www.euractiv.com/uk-europe/british-business-benefits-greatl-analysis-531518



We also spend a lot of money on the NHS, on defence and on schools. Just because you spend money on something doesn't make it bad.

3) The issue of laws is extremely vague,and shows how slow UKIP party leaders are. We still have the legal power to block all EU laws-our parliament is still a legal soverign power that can pass, and retract any law it wants. The laws in Manchester are decided in London-that doesn't mean that Manchester should withdraw from the UK does it?

Tony Blair sums up UKIP for me-''You sit there with our flag, you do not represent our country''

Let's pray that the british people come to their senses and reject UKIP for what they are -a party who targets immigrants, blames them for every single problem in Britain and fails to accept that the year is 2014 not 1914

nylBqDwfDrE

1) I couldn't agree more with you on the point that politics in completely dominated by the upper class, and because of this the trust with the working class population has fallen flat. I could counter that with Ed Miliband-an equally privileged upbringing, with a party that tries to portray themselves as 'right for the working man'.

2) Yet again, I agree the party is attracting dangerous individuals, which is scary. However, I am convinced this can be stamped out, a process already underway Mr Farage tells us. The minority shouldn't overshadow the majority, the press want to undermine us with their biased labour/tory views, which is a shame.

3) Well that begs the question, why don't we? Because the current government are scared of the consequences of going against the EU, which would threaten or status overall- compare this with being OUT the club, changing laws, not going against the super powers, and there being no fear factor involved. Look at Switzerland- not in the EU. Trade, income, all coming along fine. Switzerland is Swiss, Britain should be British- not part of this new European Super State.

[Vlerchan]

On immigrants:

London School of Economics and Political Science (emphasis added):

Our findings are remarkable. Recent immigrants – those who arrived after 1999 – have provided a consistently positive and astonishingly strong contribution to the UK’s fiscal health. Between 2001 and 2011, immigrants from the European Economic Area (EEA – the EU plus three small neighbours) contributed 34 per cent more than they took out, with a net contribution of about £22.1 billion.

At the same time, recent immigrants from non-EEA countries made a net contribution of £2.9 billion, thus paying into the system about 2 per cent more than they took out. Overall, immigration to the UK between 2001 and 2011 therefore provided a positive net contribution of about £25 billion. And don’t forget that this occurred over a period in which the UK had run an overall budget deficit.

In contrast, over the same period, the tax paid by natives amounted to just 89 per cent of the welfare they received. This works out at an overall negative fiscal contribution of £624.1 billion. Our analysis thus suggests that rather than being a drain on the UK’s economy, immigrants arriving since the early 2000s have made substantial net contributions to its public finances. This is a reality that contrasts starkly with the “drain on our economy” view often maintained in public debate.

Our conclusion is further supported by evidence on the degree to which immigrants receive tax credits and benefits compared with natives. Recent immigrants are 45 per cent less likely to receive state benefits or tax credits. These differences are partly explainable by immigrants’ more favourable age-gender composition. But even when compared with natives of the same age, gender and education, recent immigrants are still 21 per cent less likely than natives to receive benefits.

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2013/11/06/recent-waves-of-immigrants-to-the-uk-have-contributed-far-more-in-taxes-than-they-received-in-benefits

More - and a lot more damning. (http://www.cer.org.uk/sites/default/files/publications/pb_imm_uk_27sept13.pdf)

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Because the current government are scared of the consequences of going against the EU.
You mean like opposing Junker?

Look at Switzerland- not in the EU. Trade, income, all coming along fine.
This is because Switzerland has spent the last 20 years aligning it's regulations, etc. with what's going on in the EU.

Up until they brought back immigration quotas they were De Facto members of the union.

[Harry Smith]

1) I couldn't agree more with you on the point that politics in completely dominated by the upper class, and because of this the trust with the working class population has fallen flat. I could counter that with Ed Miliband-an equally privileged upbringing, with a party that tries to portray themselves as 'right for the working man'.

2) Yet again, I agree the party is attracting dangerous individuals, which is scary. However, I am convinced this can be stamped out, a process already underway Mr Farage tells us. The minority shouldn't overshadow the majority, the press want to undermine us with their biased labour/tory views, which is a shame.

3) Well that begs the question, why don't we? Because the current government are scared of the consequences of going against the EU, which would threaten or status overall- compare this with being OUT the club, changing laws, not going against the super powers, and there being no fear factor involved. Look at Switzerland- not in the EU. Trade, income, all coming along fine. Switzerland is Swiss, Britain should be British- not part of this new European Super State.

1) Ed Miliband was elected by the unions, in fact he's one of the most left wing party leaders since Kinnock so I'd argue that his claim is more backed up. Also Ed doesn't style himself as the people's Army-but Farage does. He's just as much a politician as Clegg and Cameron but he pretends that he isn't. That's my issue-plus ED went to Haverstock comprehensive school making him more working class than Farage. The whole 'people's army' stuff makes me wanna weep for britain.

2)Ah yeah the classic liberal media-have you read the Sunday Telegraph. Every party claims the media is against them when in fact it really isn't. The media have a right to report on UKIP, it's there job. You can't moan about the media uncovering clear flaws in UKIP.

Bollocks to the part about improvement-Why did UKIP select a 70 year old pro-rape candiate for the Newham by-election?

3) Anyone with a history text book will know that Switerzland is an extremely individual case. What did they do during WW2 again? They acted like cowards- I don't want to base the UK on a country like Switzerland.

Do you support independence for Manchester?

[Vlerchan]

ED went to Haverstock comprehensive school making him more working class than Farage.
Ed Milliband isn't working class by an stretch of the imagination.

He also isn't 'more' or 'less' working class than Farage because neither of them are working class to begin with.

[Harry Smith]

Ed Milliband isn't working class by an stretch of the imagination.

He also isn't 'more' or 'less' working class than Farage because neither of them are working class to begin with.

The backing of the unions I'd argue helps to connect him more with the interests of working people, one or two changes in policy e.g rail nationalization could shore up his support. Ed's never parared himself around as the leader of a people's Army as Farage has

[phuckphace]

hey guys, did you know that flooding your country with unskilled third worlders and marginalizing your native labor force in exchange for minor, short term economic gains is TOTALLY WORTH IT? (let me just concentrate for a sec, trying to assume a can opener into existence...any minute now...I are best ekonumusts)

I'm rather distrustful of Nigel Farage's entirely too cozy relationship with the money-hoarding class (although it is funny to watch lefty dorks scream "racist!" at him). you can do better than UKIP and still get your xenophobia on.

[Vlerchan]

hey guys, did you know that flooding your country with unskilled third worlders and marginalizing your native labor force in exchange for minor, short term economic gains is TOTALLY WORTH IT?
Feel free to present evidence verifying your claim that immigration results in economic malfunction in the long-term.

I'm rather distrustful of Nigel Farage's entirely too cozy relationship with the money-hoarding class.
I bet you'd love his suggestion to join NAFTA after he pulls the UK out of the EU then.

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The backing of the unions I'd argue helps to connect him more with the interests of working people ...
I thought labour severed their ties with the Unions?

e.g rail nationalization could shore up his support.
As I've said before, good luck.

[Harry Smith]

I thought labour severed their ties with the Unions?

EH it kinda goes around in circles to be honest. The unions have a much larger share of votes for Labour leadership so they elected Ed because he was less right wing than his brother

[phuckphace]

Feel free to present evidence verifying your claim that immigration results in economic malfunction in the long-term.

http://i.imgur.com/oTQaFg8.jpg

that's just too easy, we're a giant case study for this stuff. unskilled immigration has been steadily climbing in recent decades, resulting in heavily suppressed wages, increased healthcare costs and fewer economic opportunities for native-born American citizens. especially in places like California, you can't swing a dead cat without hitting an illegal immigrant who picks grapes for $5 a day and moonlights as a cocaine mule for MS-13. but yeah, if it wasn't for that hombre, those grapes would just sit on the vine until they rotted.


I bet you'd love his suggestion to join NAFTA after he pulls the UK out of the EU then.

I'm not sure which one is the "frying pan" and which is the "fire." who can even tell these days?

[Harry Smith]

, increased healthcare costs and

Not sure if it's exclusive to the UK but immigration both short and long term has greatly improved the state of our NHS

[Vlerchan]

that's just too easy, we're a giant case study for this stuff.
In other words you've no evidence. Okay.

resulting in heavily suppressed wages ...
http://dare.ubvu.vu.nl/bitstream/handle/1871/19366/10.1007_s10109-010-0111-y.pdf;jsessionid=ECAF557CB0DC1AD907EC714F1961AFFD?sequence=1

http://personal.lse.ac.uk/manacorm/manacorda_manning_wadsworth.pdf

http://www.frbsf.org/economic-research/publications/economic-letter/2010/august/effect-immigrants-us-employment-productivity/

Immigrants actually have a statistically negligible effect on wages and employment opportunities in the US. In some studies it's ac tually been shown that immigration results in an increases in wages/employment opportunities. I'd say you'd be better off looking to NAFTA and the decline of employment opportunities in traditional blue-collar labour if you want something to blame for suppressed wages.

... increased healthcare costs ...
I find it difficult to believe that unskilled immigrant workers constitute a significant portion of those able to afford healthcare insurance - and as such those pushing up healthcare insurance. I'd say you'd be better off looking to the basis of healthcare insurance companies existences - profit - and the obesity 'epidemic', etc. as the main factors here in causing price increases as opposed to immigrants.

Now, you might have an argument if you mentioned housing, because increases there are actually detectable.

... fewer economic opportunities for native-born American citizens ...
See above.

... you can't swing a dead cat without hitting an illegal immigrant who picks grapes for $5 a day and moonlights as a cocaine mule for MS-13 ...
I support legal immigration.

[clay morrow]

i think ukip are great nigal fararge says what he thinks and does not care who he upsets this is the kind of person we need running the country

[Vlerchan]

It's a real pity he doesn't actually think, which is probably why he upsets people more than anything else.

[Gamma Male]

i think ukip are great nigal fararge says what he thinks and does not care who he upsets this is the kind of person we need running the country

I'm not familiar with euro politics, but based on what I've heard this Nigil Farage guy sounds like the british equivalent of Ted Cruz, and people who support him the pseudopatriotic, racist, tea party base.

But that's just what I've gathered from observing European people on here argue.

[clay morrow]

we need to look after our selves and our own people

[Vlerchan]

we need to look after our selves and our own people
Why do you believe that this necessitates a UK outside of the EU?

... and people who support him the pseudopatriotic, racist, tea party base.
UKip's base is quite mixed.

It mainly a focus point for Euroskeptics, with there views being anything from Labour-like to Tory-like after that.

[Harry Smith]

i think ukip are great nigal fararge says what he thinks and does not care who he upsets this is the kind of person we need running the country

Why not have Nick Griffin for Prime minister then? He says what he thinks and does not care who he upsets. We don't need a ex banker running our country

we need to look after our selves and our own people

We need to spend a lot more money on education as well

[Walter Powers]

I don't know a ton about UKIP, but take it from an American conservative: When your political opponents have to resort to personal attacks (accusing you of racism, sexism etc) or coercion (auditing you, denying freedom of expression) , it generally means that they are incapable of defending their principles through robust debate. If they have any principles, that is.

[Harry Smith]

I don't know a ton about UKIP, but take it from an American conservative: When your political opponents have to resort to personal attacks (accusing you of racism, sexism etc) or coercion (auditing you, denying freedom of expression) , it generally means that they are incapable of defending their principles through robust debate. If they have any principles, that is.

You clearly don't know a ton about UKIP because there leader openly went on TV and said that he would not want to live next to a Romanian family-that's pretty much the defintion of Racism. It's possible to have a two tier debate-it's just a case of Conservatives shielding themself from attacks by claiming that there opponent is inadequate. In the case of many groups they actually sexist and racist e.g the republican party. Conservative groups who support rape are sexist. Conservative groups who are anti-gay marriage, anti-gay adoption and support banning homosexuality are homophobic.

Loving the very subtle jab about auditing-if you don't pay your taxes the government have a right to investigate. It's the same with any private citizen

[Vlerchan]

The problem with UKip isn't that they hold sexist or racists policies, it's that the policies they hold are economically-backward.

[Walter Powers]

The problem with UKip isn't that they hold sexist or racists policies, it's that the policies they hold are economically-backward.

Thank you for being civil.

You clearly don't know a ton about UKIP because there leader openly went on TV and said that he would not want to live next to a Romanian family-that's pretty much the defintion of Racism.

Can I see that clip?


It's possible to have a two tier debate-it's just a case of Conservatives shielding themself from attacks by claiming that there opponent is inadequate. In the case of many groups they actually sexist and racist e.g the republican party. Conservative groups who support rape are sexist.


I can assure you Harry, the mainstream Republican conservative community doesn't support rape, and it's just wrong of you to imply that. We are also most certainly not racist. Again, your resorting to personal attacks.

My point: Do you really want me to base my opinions about the left on the most evil people in your camp? Of course not. I can find plenty of hollywood socialists who I can criticize their moral character in many ways. But I don't. For example, because Donald Sterling was a leftist, do you really want me to say "the Democratic Party is racist" When your in the mainstream, and somebody resorts to personal attacks, it means they can't win a rational discussion.

Loving the very subtle jab about auditing-if you don't pay your taxes the government have a right to investigate. It's the same with any private citizen That's one thing, it's another to enforce the law in a politically selective way, refuse tax- exempt to only conservative groups, and assume that every active conservative doesn't pay taxes. But that's a topic for another thread.

[Vlerchan]

For example, because Donald Sterling was a leftist, do you really want me to say "the Democratic Party is racist".
Other than labelling Donald Sterling a 'leftist', and continuing to imply that the Democrats are a 'left-wing' party, I actually agree with the general message here.

Welcome back, anyway, since I didn't say it in the last post, it'll be nice to have some more fiscal conservatives around, even if I do disagree with them on everything.

[Harry Smith]

Thank you for being civil.



Can I see that clip?





I can assure you Harry, the mainstream Republican conservative community doesn't support rape, and it's just wrong of you to imply that. We are also most certainly not racist. Again, your resorting to personal attacks.

My point: Do you really want me to base my opinions about the left on the most evil people in your camp? Of course not. I can find plenty of hollywood socialists who I can criticize their moral character in many ways. But I don't. For example, because Donald Sterling was a leftist, do you really want me to say "the Democratic Party is racist" When your in the mainstream, and somebody resorts to personal attacks, it means they can't win a rational discussion.

That's one thing, it's another to enforce the law in a politically selective way, refuse tax- exempt to only conservative groups, and assume that every active conservative doesn't pay taxes. But that's a topic for another thread.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/05/19/farage-ukip-tired_n_5349828.html

Skip to 11.30

Pretty ironic considering that Farage has a german wife and kids-yet he objects to people speaking other languages on public transport

The worrying thing is that the anti-gay, anti-women message in the GOP doesn't come from one group it comes from a wide range of people such as Satorum and Bachman. Heck one of the people running for senate in Missouri said that women can't get pregnant from rape and that the body has an ability to shut down. The republican party much like UKIP have become a party that supports the rape culture we have in our society. Republicans have routinely said that Rape is A) part of God's plan B)a natural part of life

[clay morrow]

It's a real pity he doesn't actually think, which is probably why he upsets people more than anything else.

the eu make most of our law that is not right and has to stop or this country is going to be in big trouble we can hardly even surport ourselves

[Harry Smith]

the eu make most of our law that is not right and has to stop or this country is going to be in big trouble we can hardly even surport ourselves

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu_make_uk_law-29587

The EU don't make most of our laws-they only contribute 15% of the act's of parliament, so no you're wrong to claim that.

You quite clearly don't understand the EU. It provides us with jobs, and trade. If we leave the EU we will lose money-how would that help us support ourself

[phuckphace]

so the money-hoarders paid a legion of economists to assure everyone that All Is Well and this shitshow is actually good for us. see, economics in general is a voodoo pseudoscience, and it's rather perplexing why anyone would want to listen to someone who thinks complex ecosystems like the economy can be dumbed down to math formulas.

to the OP: vote BNP brah.

[Vlerchan]

so the money-hoarders paid a legion of economists to assure everyone that All Is Well and this shitshow is actually good for us.
If this is in reference to my links:

I linked to meta-analysis', which means I linked to the aggregate of every study on the subject done. Here's what happens in pictures though:

http://borderbattles.ssrc.org/images/fig-5.jpg

I can write a short explanation for the above if necessary.

see, economics in general is a voodoo pseudoscience, and it's rather perplexing why anyone would want to listen to someone who thinks complex ecosystems like the economy can be dumbed down to math formulas.
It can, generally.

Though, the links I gave were to observations of past immigrant behaviour, so this criticism falls flat anyway.

[Calyx]

It actually only costs the UK £24 million per day to be a member of the EU (https://fullfact.org/economy/cost_eu_membership_gross_net_contribution-30887) but that doesn't take into account all of the social benefits that the UK receives from being in the EU.
Their point about immigrants stealing jobs shouldn't be a problem for most people because if you're born in the UK you will probably have a lot more qualifications than someone who knows limited English. There are lots of jobs available if people go out and look for them.
I think UKIP has seen such popularity recently partly as a protest vote but partly because people can't relate to all of the current Etonians in the Government. Finally, just because UKIP did well in the EU elections doesn't mean they will do well in the election. In one EU election the Green Party got about 30% of the vote share and then in the next general election they only got about 1%.

[Harry Smith]

It actually only costs the UK £24 million per day to be a member of the EU (https://fullfact.org/economy/cost_eu_membership_gross_net_contribution-30887) but that doesn't take into account all of the social benefits that the UK receives from being in the EU.
Their point about immigrants stealing jobs shouldn't be a problem for most people because if you're born in the UK you will probably have a lot more qualifications than someone who knows limited English. There are lots of jobs available if people go out and look for them.
I think UKIP has seen such popularity recently partly as a protest vote but partly because people can't relate to all of the current Etonians in the Government. Finally, just because UKIP did well in the EU elections doesn't mean they will do well in the election. In one EU election the Green Party got about 30% of the vote share and then in the next general election they only got about 1%.

We had a turnout of about 35%, and UKIP got 30% of the vote. That means on average they got what about 12% of the entire electorate voting for them, so yeah I agree about them just being a much smaller protest vote.

The whole per day claim is bullshit anyway, it's just UKIP's way of inflating the figure to make it get votes on the doorstep.

[clay morrow]

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu_make_uk_law-29587

The EU don't make most of our laws-they only contribute 15% of the act's of parliament, so no you're wrong to claim that.

You quite clearly don't understand the EU. It provides us with jobs, and trade. If we leave the EU we will lose money-how would that help us support ourself

yes they do harry nigal farage says they do and nick clegg slipped up in the debates

[Harry Smith]

yes they do harry nigal farage says they do and nick clegg slipped up in the debates

ahahah wow-you do know that just because Nigel Farage says something doesn't make it true. You actually make the average UKIP voter look intelligent

Did you even read the article I linked to you?

In 2010, the House of Commons library published a comprehensive analysis of the variety of ways this percentage can be calculated. There are difficulties with all measurements, but they concluded “it is possible to justify any measure between 15% and 50% or thereabouts”.

https://fullfact.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/UK-Law-brussels-flags.png

[clay morrow]

fair point i still think ukip would be good for the county and getting out of the eu would be too

[Harry Smith]

fair point i still think ukip would be good for the county and getting out of the eu would be too

No. How would a party made up of crooks, exiles, racists and bigots be good for the country?

They want to
A) Get rid of the NHS, do you want to have to pay to go to a hospital?

B)Bring back pistols-do you want to be like America?

C)Introduce flat taxs for the whole of Britain

D)Remove women from the workplace-as they're in Farages words-worthless

[clay morrow]

No. How would a party made up of crooks, exiles, racists and bigots be good for the country?

They want to
A) Get rid of the NHS, do you want to have to pay to go to a hospital?

B)Bring back pistols-do you want to be like America?

C)Introduce flat taxs for the whole of Britain

D)Remove women from the workplace-as they're in Farages words-worthless

A the nhs is failing anyway
B i am part lakota indian
C i dont agree with
D woman should be equal to men

[Harry Smith]

A the nhs is failing anyway
B i am part lakota indian
C i dont agree with
D woman should be equal to men

Not really-I went to the visit an aunt last week and the NHS had treated her very well. I'll ask you again do you want to pay up to 9,000 a year for treatment or do you want to get it free? Do you want old people to have to sell their house to see a doctor? Do you want the working class to have to work 5 jobs just to get their children to school?

I'm part German-doesn't mean I support an invasion of Poland. We banned handguns after a school massacre in 1996- do you want another school massarce?

Your God Nigel Farage said women are 'worthless' in the city, along with others in UKIP saying that women are to be blamed for being raped

[clay morrow]

Not really-I went to the visit an aunt last week and the NHS had treated her very well. I'll ask you again do you want to pay up to 9,000 a year for treatment or do you want to get it free? Do you want old people to have to sell their house to see a doctor? Do you want the working class to have to work 5 jobs just to get their children to school?

I'm part German-doesn't mean I support an invasion of Poland. We banned handguns after a school massacre in 1996- do you want another school massarce?

Your God Nigel Farage said women are 'worthless' in the city, along with others in UKIP saying that women are to be blamed for being raped

it depends where in the uk you are as to how good the nhs is where i live it is not good

what i mean by i am part lakota is i like america and people should be allowed to protect themselves guns dont kill people people kill people

and as i said i donk agree with what is said about woman

[Harry Smith]

it depends where in the uk you are as to how good the nhs is where i live it is not good

what i mean by i am part lakota is i like america and people should be allowed to protect themselves guns dont kill people people kill people

and as i said i donk agree with what is said about woman

Then the NHS needs more funding, you don't let a private company do it. Look what happened when we gave G4S the security at the Olympics-they fucked it up! The NHS is the best thing about Britain-I don't want to have to pay 9,000 a year to then be told my insurance doesn't cover it

Lol please-have you ever been threatened/attacked with a firearm in this country? Don't bother with the self defence claim, and look at what happens to women when it's added to guns

A gun in the home is 22 times more likely to be used to kill or injure in a domestic homicide, suicide, or unintentional shooting than to be used in self-defense.5

https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.weareultraviolet.org/images/UV_Guns_V3.jpg

[clay morrow]

Then the NHS needs more funding, you don't let a private company do it. Look what happened when we gave G4S the security at the Olympics-they fucked it up! The NHS is the best thing about Britain-I don't want to have to pay 9,000 a year to then be told my insurance doesn't cover it

Lol please-have you ever been threatened/attacked with a firearm in this country? Don't bother with the self defence claim, and look at what happens to women when it's added to guns



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you are right about the nhs it does need more funding but there are too many people in the country to be able to do that
and yes i was shot in this country

[Harry Smith]

you are right about the nhs it does need more funding but there are too many people in the country to be able to do that
and yes i was shot in this country

Not really-you simply get rid of Trident you've got 84 billion. Put that 84 billion into the NHS and it would make a massive difference

Was it by an air rifle or a BB gun?

[clay morrow]

Not really-you simply get rid of Trident you've got 84 billion. Put that 84 billion into the NHS and it would make a massive difference

Was it by an air rifle or a BB gun?

true and no it was a real gun

[Harry Smith]

true and no it was a real gun

and how would ownership of a pistol helped considering your not old enough to legally by one?

[clay morrow]

true