Spanking

[Gamma Male]

So, what do you think about spanking as a punishment for children? Should it even be legal? What are the pros and cons? Would you ever spank your child if you had one?


I don't think it should be illegal, but it's still stupid. Almost every reputable psychiatric and medical organization has said it has multiple negative long term effects, and there are better ways of dealing with unruly children then hitting them.

Besides, what sort of message does that send to the child? That if somebody is being a problem, violence is the answer.

[Horatio Nelson]

I got spanked, and I have no adverse side effects or weird psychological problems.


There is a difference between abusing your child just because you are angry, and disciplining them because they did something wrong.

If you don't explain to someone why something they did was bad how will they ever learn?


Yes it should be legal, and yes I would spank my child.

[Lovelife090994]

I was raised with the Bible's "spare the rod, spoil the child." I was not spared the rod yet I am an upright person. Some kids need to be put in their place. If you want to take your kids out, train them to behave. If they don't then spank them. It should be legal. I'd spank my kids. I'm raising you and caring for you; I'd expect my child to listen and respect me. I'd be their parent; not their buddy.

Kid's should be taught right from wrong else they repeat the wrong. There is a difference between child abuse and punishment. Spanking is a punishment. Time outs do not work.

My mental issues are not connected to spankings.

[Miserabilia]

If you don't explain to someone why something they did was bad how will they ever learn?


SPanking is not explainging why something was wrong, it's saying that violence solves a problem and associates whatever you were doing wth violence, which doesn't have to be a bad thing but it can.
Let me explain.
If you're a parent, and you're a good loving parent that sualy disciplines your child with small punishments or simply talking angrily to them (that worked for me as a child lol), but there is something realllly terrible your child did, then the child may not fear you enough to avoid doing these things. They know the maximum pnishment they can get and then they do something worse becase they think they won't get a worse punishment anyway. In this case, I understand why a parent might spank a child.

However, if a parent spanks a child for everything they do wrong, the child is just going to asociate everything they did with violence.

[Horatio Nelson]

SPanking is not explainging why something was wrong, it's saying that violence solves a problem and associates whatever you were doing wth violence, which doesn't have to be a bad thing but it can.
Let me explain.
If you're a parent, and you're a good loving parent that sualy disciplines your child with small punishments or simply talking angrily to them (that worked for me as a child lol), but there is something realllly terrible your child did, then the child may not fear you enough to avoid doing these things. They know the maximum pnishment they can get and then they do something worse becase they think they won't get a worse punishment anyway. In this case, I understand why a parent might spank a child.

However, if a parent spanks a child for everything they do wrong, the child is just going to asociate everything they did with violence.


Yes of course. Spankings aren't always necessary, stern talks do the trick often too.

Whenever I was disciplined I had my few minute reflection and then we hugged and apologized. You only discipline your child because you love them, some people don't grasp that idea.

If you didn't love your kid you wouldn't give two shits when they did something wrong. Which teaches then that they can get away with stuff. Which carries over into your adult life, and that causes problems.

[CosmicNoodle]

I think they should be legal, I was spanked as a kid and I'm only.....well let's just say I'm sane enough to know I'm crazy.
I don't think spanking would have that many long term effects if done in moderation, obviously if its the default punishment there's going to be problems, but if its reserved for the worst of the worst in misbehaviour.

[Gamma Male]

I think violence towards children MAY make them inherently more violent.
There are so many things to take away from them today, cell, computer, internet, Xbox..etc that physical violence doesn't teach the lesson it once did.
Internet addiction is a good thing to remove as punishment lol.

NO! Please! Not my internet! Anything but my internet!!! D:


But seriously, I agree with what you're saying. There are so many other better ways to discipline children than by hitting them.

[Lovelife090994]

NO! Please! Not my internet! Anything but my internet!!! D:


But seriously, I agree with what you're saying. There are so many other better ways to discipline children than by hitting them.

You obviously have never met Bay-Bay Ray-Ray children. Taking stuff doesn't always help. You can leave a child with nothing but a blanket and no door and they'll still do wrong. A good spanking whips some unruly children in their place. If you don't love your child then you won't punish them. It's key to tell a child what they did wrong, punish them, and love them afterwards.

[Camazotz]

The fundamental difference between spanking and child abuse is intent: if you ever touch your child out of anger (or even in a mental state of anger), it's abuse. Spanking, in theory, is just a form of punishment to teach kids that certain behaviors cannot be tolerated.

That said, I believe that the probability of children learning negative behaviors from being spanked significantly higher compared to children that are not corporal punished. What kind of lesson are you actually teaching by punishing wrong-doing through physical violence rather than diplomatic measures?

There are tons of modern parenting methods that are effective in preventing bad behavior. If you read this (http://www.apa.org/news/press/releases/2002/06/spanking.aspx) summary of a meta-analysis on corporal punishment, it has been found that children that are spanked display more instances of aggression, antisocial, and other negative behaviors. It has been found to stop bad behaviors (so it's effective in this way), but what good is that if the child expresses less empathy and therefore less understanding of why their behavior was wrong? Rather than associate bad behavior with why it's bad, they just associate it with punishment and physical abuse.

There's also the problem that too many instances of corporal punishment are not administered the right way. Like I said before, it might be okay in theory (still has fundamental problems), but there's no way to control how parents punish their kids. How many times are kids physically abused under the guise of "punishment?" If it happens one time, it's too many. And that's the biggest reason I'm against spanking- as long as we say it's okay, someone is going to abuse it. If we outlaw it, we can minimize child abuse as best we can.

On a side note, there are 19 states that still allow corporal punishment in the school system. You can probably guess the geographical area of where it's still allowed. If you also look at which high-schools have the lowest test scores (SAT, ACT, AP, NAEP), those are the same states, and are thus correlated with each other. (Not necessarily causation, but I believe that it says something about the culture of those states).

[TheN3rdyOutcast]

Another topic where my opinion is split. All I know is, my dad took spankings way too far, up to the point where he slammed me up against a brick wall for accidentally dropping his car keys.

I don't want my hypothetical children to go through that.

[Sir Suomi]

My opinion on it is that it teaches children to behave. You think spanking is bad? Try taking a belt to the rear-end. I said a four-letter word in front of my mother when I was 11, and let me tell you, after she brought that belt out, I'm STILL afraid to say "crap" in front of her.

But as others have stated, you shouldn't hit your child out of anger. That's abuse, and that's plain wrong. Also, when you punish your child, you should never actually leave a bruise, or long-term mark from the spank/belt/whatever you use, because then you know you've taken it too far.

But anyways, yes, it should be legal, and yes, if my children misbehave to the point that they are in need of a grim reminder, I will spank/belt them. It's part of growing up.

[Camazotz]

My opinion on it is that it teaches children to behave. You think spanking is bad? Try taking a belt to the rear-end. I said a four-letter word in front of my mother when I was 11, and let me tell you, after she brought that belt out, I'm STILL afraid to say "crap" in front of her.

The definition of abuse is: "cruel and violent treatment of a person or animal."

Don't think being whipped with a belt for saying "crap" is cruel and unnecessarily violent?

[Gamma Male]

Its worth noting that victims of sexual abuse have a higher likelihood of being an abuser in their own adulthood.

What does this have to do with anything?

[Horatio Nelson]

My opinion on it is that it teaches children to behave. You think spanking is bad? Try taking a belt to the rear-end. I said a four-letter word in front of my mother when I was 11, and let me tell you, after she brought that belt out, I'm STILL afraid to say "crap" in front of her.

But as others have stated, you shouldn't hit your child out of anger. That's abuse, and that's plain wrong. Also, when you punish your child, you should never actually leave a bruise, or long-term mark from the spank/belt/whatever you use, because then you know you've taken it too far.

But anyways, yes, it should be legal, and yes, if my children misbehave to the point that they are in need of a grim reminder, I will spank/belt them. It's part of growing up.

Totally agree.


When I talk to my parents about spanking, they never "enjoyed" having to do it, but it is sometimes a necessary measure to make sure you feel the gravity of your wrongdoing.


But honestly, I would imagine the majority of parents that do spank do it in a wrong or abusive manner.

[CrazyPerson101]

So, what do you think about spanking as a punishment for children? Should it even be legal? What are the pros and cons? Would you ever spank your child if you had one?


I don't think it should be illegal, but it's still stupid. Almost every reputable psychiatric and medical organization has said it has multiple negative long term effects, and there are better ways of dealing with unruly children then hitting them.

Besides, what sort of message does that send to the child? That if somebody is being a problem, violence is the answer.


If my child were to dis-obey me and I thought I had to spank them , I would. I would tear they tail up but they would mind me. Thats how I've been raised and I agree with my parent ( I don't get abused or whatever ) but It depends on what they did and how many times I had to tell them to stop or keep doing. Talking to them , takeing away something doesn't really get them , it may get them while its gone but spanking them tends to send them that message when they're told not or to do something that they should / will mind the parents. Now I wouldn't just fly off the handle and beat them for no reason but you get my point. I wouldn't abuse my kids but they would know when I say something , they will mind me kinda thing

[Gamma Male]

If my child were to dis-obey me and I thought I had to spank them , I would. I would tear they tail up but they would mind me. Thats how I've been raised and I agree with my parent ( I don't get abused or whatever ) but It depends on what they did and how many times I had to tell them to stop or keep doing. Talking to them , takeing away something doesn't really get them , it may get them while its gone but spanking them tends to send them that message when they're told not or to do something that they should / will mind the parents. Now I wouldn't just fly off the handle and beat them for no reason but you get my point. I wouldn't abuse my kids but they would know when I say something , they will mind me kinda thing

I don't know, I just think there are better ways to discipline kids.

[CrazyPerson101]

I don't know, I just think there are better ways to discipline kids.

There are but spanking seems to get into kids heads the best. Taking away a toy doesn't work as well but there are other methods that I intend to use ( assuming I have kids of my own )

[Soccerkid]

I was and am still spanked. It hasn't had any negative effects on me I think it's an effective tool for punishment. I would probably spank my children if I have any

[Dalcourt]

I always thought spanking is weird. I mean I kinda understand that someone would smack a toddler on its butt cuz I guess you are not in danger of hurting it as much as if you hit it anywhere else. But all those, bare butt and hitting with some implement for older kids or even teens spankings? What is going on with that parents?

My Dad is beating me but he never ever would even think about spanking me...when he is hitting me it is within some kind of argument...and if it goes out of hand, it's well that's another and off topic story....Spanking is nothing more than humiliating someone...and being constantly humiliated like that in your childhood and even teenage years will do something to your brain even if you don't notice it yourself.
It is part of a parenting style I've never experienced but seen a lot around. I mean people are differend but strangely my dad's and my relationship is way better than the relationship those kids have with there parents. I talked to the kids in my neighborhood and all agreed that spankings aren't harmful and how their parents love them and that I should call the cops cuz of my Dad.

I don't believe in spanking, I would even go as far as considering spanking the bare butt as some form of sexual abuse, but that's just me I guess.

As I'm against violence of any kind in my opinion it should be illegal but as so many people are still so happy about being spanked I don't think that this will happen.

[Camazotz]

Or you can do your job as a parent, praise them when they do good things, reward good behavior, address bad behavior immediately and seriously, give them a time-out if they misbehave again, take away dessert/snacks/computer/toys or whatever.

It's 2014, almost every modern parenting counselor and child psychologist discourages corporal punishment. "Parenting by imposing fear is neither healthy nor effective."

[Lovelife090994]

Or you can do your job as a parent, praise them when they do good things, reward good behavior, address bad behavior immediately and seriously, give them a time-out if they misbehave again, take away dessert/snacks/computer/toys or whatever.

It's 2014, almost every modern parenting counselor and child psychologist discourages corporal punishment. "Parenting by imposing fear is neither healthy nor effective."


Time outs and taking things away do not always help. Parents are parents; not friends. A spanking is a reminder to keep you from doing wrong. I was spanked and I am fine and would spank my misbehaving kids.

[Star Wolf]

I read somewhere that physical abuse reduces the amount of grey matter in the brain and restricts a child's development. It also shortens the life span of cells, supposedly. It's also degrading, which can lower self-esteem. And perhaps maybe could also make a child fear or resent their parent.

Spanking has always seemed like physical abuse to me. Anyways, it doesn't seem like a good idea.

[Camazotz]

Time outs and taking things away do not always help. Parents are parents; not friends. A spanking is a reminder to keep you from doing wrong. I was spanked and I am fine and would spank my misbehaving kids.

Spanking doesn't always help either. Why not beat them into submission with your fist? That'll learn 'em.

[Lovelife090994]

Spanking doesn't always help either. Why not beat them into submission with your fist? That'll learn 'em.

Beating is abuse.

[Camazotz]

Beating is abuse.

Yes, it is. But what do we do with the disobedient children that don't listen after being spanked?

[Lovelife090994]

Yes, it is. But what do we do with the disobedient children that don't listen after being spanked?

Usually after a spanking does not work you try to take something away or try other methods of punishment and rhetoric. I used to be a handful growing up, but I was eventually taught and I learned my lessons.

[Harry Smith]

Beating is abuse.

lol he was being sarcastic

Usually after a spanking does not work you try to take something away or try other methods of punishment and rhetoric. I used to be a handful growing up, but I was eventually taught and I learned my lessons.

That doesn't justify it at all-someone could say I was raped as a kid if I didn't behave-I'm fine now so it must of worked right? It doesn't really work like that

[Vlerchan]

I don't think it should be illegal, but it's still stupid.
I've no idea why you'd support exception from prosecution for assault because you're a relative.

[Camazotz]

Usually after a spanking does not work you try to take something away or try other methods of punishment and rhetoric. I used to be a handful growing up, but I was eventually taught and I learned my lessons.

So if spanking doesn't work, you use negative reinforcement (taking things away) to punish the child? Why not start there and avoid the potential of emotionally scarring the child by spanking them?

[Sir Suomi]

The definition of abuse is: "cruel and violent treatment of a person or animal."

Don't think being whipped with a belt for saying "crap" is cruel and unnecessarily violent?

No, what I said was the F-bomb, which is why I don't even want to use mild curse words around her.

[Camazotz]

No, what I said was the F-bomb, which is why I don't even want to use mild curse words around her.

Saying "fuck" led to getting beat with a belt? I don't swear around my parents, but that's excessive. It's not like you hurt anyone or bullied anyone or stole something, it's just a naughty word: worth maybe a day of being grounded at worst.

[Sir Suomi]

Saying "fuck" led to getting beat with a belt? I don't swear around my parents, but that's excessive. It's not like you hurt anyone or bullied anyone or stole something, it's just a naughty word: worth maybe a day of being grounded at worst.

Was it a little excessive? Possibly. However, it worked. And I suppose that's just how my whole entire family is, so I don't think it's unusual. I can see however from an outside view how harsh that may sound.

[Southside]

I think it should be used as the last line of discipline if a child is just completely out of control. As some of you guys said, spanking lets a child know not to act out. Im still scared to act out in front of my grandma after she spanked me like ten years ago. Its more effective than taking a toy away or whatever because they will eventually get it back.

I use to get spankings when I was younger now, they just yell and scream.

Spanking is only "abuse" if its excessive and the child walks away with a bloody nose, bruisings or something of that nature. If its meant to teach a lesson or set the child straight then I don't see the problem.

[Vlerchan]

Does anyone here agree that school teachers should have the right to physically punish disorderly students?

[carolinae]

I'll just say that 30 years ago, spanking an undisciplined child was common and people we're way more respectful and had more values that people nowadays. Now, children have more rights and are aware of them, so if a parent, family member, or teacher ever touched them, they know they can call the police and the family department.

Does anyone here agree that school teachers should have the right to physically punish disorderly students?

I agree, if the parent authorizes the teacher to do so, if necessary. It would be embarrassing to get spanked or hit by the teacher in front of the whole class. Maybe they'd be more obedient.

Merged double post. -Cygnus David

[Camazotz]

Does anyone here agree that school teachers should have the right to physically punish disorderly students?

Not me. It's illegal in my state, along with 38 others. (White states= illegal, red states= legal).

http://www.stophitting.com/uploads/images/CP%20Map.png

(Wyoming has never hit a student, Arizona and Colorado have hit a combined 24, whereas the other 8 states have a hit a combined over 200,000 students.

I don't think violence is an acceptable form of punishment ever. In 2014, criminals aren't publicly whipped or humiliated: that's considered cruel and unusual punishment. Yet doing that to a child is okay?

[thatcountrykid]

I was spanked and now I suffer from a severe phsyco attic issues call respect for others.

[Elvalight]

Lol that should b left up 2 the parents. I'm glad I used 2 b spanked. I learned not to do bad things or I'd have a date with the hand/spatula or doom. It doesn't hurt much and causes no harm. It just teaches kids that crime don't pay.

[Horatio Nelson]

Maybe if you were never physically disciplined as a child I can sort of understand how it seems so terrible. But having experienced it first hand on many an occasion, it is not as bad as you make it out. I wasn't tied to a post and beaten until I blacked out (that is cruel and unusual). I was swatted on my butt a few times to make sure I knew my parents weren't joking.

[Camazotz]

Maybe if you were never physically disciplined as a child I can sort of understand how it seems so terrible. But having experienced it first hand on many an occasion, it is not as bad as you make it out. I wasn't tied to a post and beaten until I blacked out (that is cruel and unusual). I was swatted on my butt a few times to make sure I knew my parents weren't joking.

But I have several problems with that:

1) The probability of emotional scarring is much higher in children that are spanked compared to children that aren't.

2) Just because your parents do it correctly doesn't mean they all do. If we outlaw it completely, we're left with either abusive parents or non-abusive parents. If we keep it open, you'll have some people trying to justify more horrific kinds of abuses as corporal punishment. Although we can't let a few bad apples ruin the bunch, the possibility of it happening isn't worth a child's life.

3) There are better, more effective ways of controlling a child's behavior, such as administering time-outs, taking away privileges, and most importantly, rewarding positive behavior.

4) What kind of lesson are we really teaching if we promote physical violence and fear-inducing measures of punishment?

a) don't pull Sally's hair because it hurts her physically and mentally

or

b) don't pull her hair because you'll get spanked if you do

The child will associate bad behavior with physical violence, which triggers aggression and other negative mental states, whereas reasoning with a child will help them understand sympathy and empathy towards others and actually learn WHY their behavior is bad.

In theory, spanking should teach WHY bad behavior is bad, but how many times does it happen where the parent is just too tired/annoyed with their child, and instead of doing their job, they just swing away at their child? If that answer is more than once, I have a problem with corporal punishment.

[Gamma Male]

I was spanked and now I suffer from a severe phsyco attic issues call respect for others.

So it's impossible to teach a child to respect others without inflicting physical pain upon them? There's really no other way?

[Miserabilia]

Lol that should b left up 2 the parents. I'm glad I used 2 b spanked. I learned not to do bad things or I'd have a date with the hand/spatula or doom. It doesn't hurt much and causes no harm. It just teaches kids that crime don't pay.

I've never been spanked and I learned not to do bad things because my parents just taught me that and if they punished me it was just not watchin tv for a day or something. They never used physical violence on me.

[Horatio Nelson]

But I have several problems with that:

1) The probability of emotional scarring is much higher in children that are spanked compared to children that aren't.

2) Just because your parents do it correctly doesn't mean they all do. If we outlaw it completely, we're left with either abusive parents or non-abusive parents. If we keep it open, you'll have some people trying to justify more horrific kinds of abuses as corporal punishment. Although we can't let a few bad apples ruin the bunch, the possibility of it happening isn't worth a child's life.

3) There are better, more effective ways of controlling a child's behavior, such as administering time-outs, taking away privileges, and most importantly, rewarding positive behavior.

4) What kind of lesson are we really teaching if we promote physical violence and fear-inducing measures of punishment?

a) don't pull Sally's hair because it hurts her physically and mentally

or

b) don't pull her hair because you'll get spanked if you do

The child will associate bad behavior with physical violence, which triggers aggression and other negative mental states, whereas reasoning with a child will help them understand sympathy and empathy towards others and actually learn WHY their behavior is bad.

In theory, spanking should teach WHY bad behavior is bad, but how many times does it happen where the parent is just too tired/annoyed with their child, and instead of doing their job, they just swing away at their child? If that answer is more than once, I have a problem with corporal punishment.


I absolutely agree.

That's what makes it so hard.

Because I honestly don't think you should be able to tell people what they can and can't do in their homes, that opens up a really scary can of worms.

But I know there are a lot of abusive parents or there.

[Vlerchan]

Because I honestly don't think you should be able to tell people what they can and can't do in their homes, that opens up a really scary can of worms.
It's nothing to do with their homes. It's all to do with their children.

Though, there's already numerous laws pertaining to the legality of activities within ones home.

[Harry Smith]

There seems to be a number of people with this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

[Elvalight]

I've never been spanked and I learned not to do bad things because my parents just taught me that and if they punished me it was just not watchin tv for a day or something. They never used physical violence on me.

lol I would definitely not call it "violence", as it was merely a swat or two, but I guess I was pretty thick-headed for a few years :3 I guess whatever works, as long as the child isn't actually hurt.

[Miserabilia]

lol I would definitely not call it "violence", as it was merely a swat or two, but I guess I was pretty thick-headed for a few years :3 I guess whatever works, as long as the child isn't actually hurt.

True, though I feel like I should point out there is a very thin line between corrective spanking and child abuse.

[dame]

Regardless if it was legal or not, most parents are still going to spank their children. Personally, I wasn't spanked as a punishment, I was either grounded or i'd get things taken away from me. I'm not sure if i'd spank my child, I'm not against it, but I feel like there are better options rather than spanking your kid. I can definitely see why some parents resort to spanking, some kids are just way too defiant. I don't have the patience to deal with a troublesome child, so I don't see myself having kids anytime soon :p

[Miserabilia]

Regardless if it was legal or not, most parents are still going to spank their children. Personally, I wasn't spanked as a punishment, I was either grounded or i'd get things taken away from me. I'm not sure if i'd spank my child, I'm not against it, but I feel like there are better options rather than spanking your kid. I can definitely see why some parents resort to spanking, some kids are just way too defiant. I don't have the patience to deal with a troublesome child, so I don't see myself having kids anytime soon :p

I can pretty much relate to this.

[Horatio Nelson]

There seems to be a number of people with this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome

I find it somewhat absurd that you would use that in this situation.

There is a difference between, "Don't do that again or you'll get a spanking", and "Let me beat you senseless because I'm a tired drunken asshole."

[Harry Smith]

I find it somewhat absurd that you would use that in this situation.

There is a difference between, "Don't do that again or you'll get a spanking", and "Let me beat you senseless because I'm a tired drunken asshole."

Not really-the vast majority here that support spanking proudly state that it's happened to them as it it's some sort of badge of honour where as in fact it's child abuse. They've grown up with it, and think it's correct=Stockholm syndrome

[thatcountrykid]

So it's impossible to teach a child to respect others without inflicting physical pain upon them? There's really no other way?

I'm saying it's the best way. I hold no resent for it.

[Kurgg]

I think it should be allowed to use spanking,but only as an extreme punishment and accompanied with reasoning talking and other punishment's.

I would though rather use pulling from the hairs as a punishment rather than spanking.

[lumiadots]

i definitely don't think it should be illegal. i was spanked as a kid and it hasn't had any negative or adverse side affects on me. then again, my parents were a lot more harsh than other parents so it might be considered a surprise i turned out alright. i was slapped, hit with a belt, had my hair pulled, and stuff like that as well. now THAT is wrong and i would never raise my children like that.

however, i believe that just yelling at a child isn't going to do anything. if they do something bad and they believe that all they're going to get is a couple angry words thrown at them, i highly doubt that's going to stop them from doing it again. if they associate doing something bad with a smack on the rump, however, they'll think twice before before throwing a tantrum in the middle of the grocery store.

on the flip side, i don't believe you should spank your child for everything they do wrong. i mean, they are KIDS. kids need to learn and grow with love and nourishment, not punishment. they are going to make mistakes and be naughty; it's just a part of growing up. if it's just a little thing or something, i believe firm words and an angry look should be fine. but if they are being nothing but a little brat, that's when spankings come in handy.

i would spank my children if i ever have any, but not for every little thing.

**also, as was said before, i believe that is a BIG difference between corrective spanking and child abuse. a big, BIG difference.

[Gamma Male]

Why does everyone assume people who're opposed to spanking are all in favor of just letting kids do whatever they want and never disciplining them? There are other ways to be strict with kids and make them listen other than hitting them.

[ImCoolBeans]

I don't believe it should be illegal, but I don't intend on spanking my children. I don't think there is ever a reason why you should inflict pain on a child as a form of punishment. There is no room to grow or learn through corporal punishment.

The outcome of spanking a child is "I shouldn't do this because I will get smacked," rather than "I shouldn't do this because I understand that it is wrong." I understand that it is difficult to reason with children and make them understand why it's wrong (whatever it is the child may have done), but nobody ever said parenting was an easy gig. Not to mention the amount of resentment it can create. I was spanked very rarely as a child, I held/hold no resentment for it, but if I had been a child who was spanked or slapped regularly I could imagine having a lot of resentment towards my parents built up over the years.

[mrmee]

I was raised with the Bible's "spare the rod, spoil the child." I was not spared the rod yet I am an upright person. Some kids need to be put in their place. If you want to take your kids out, train them to behave. If they don't then spank them. It should be legal. I'd spank my kids. I'm raising you and caring for you; I'd expect my child to listen and respect me. I'd be their parent; not their buddy.

Kid's should be taught right from wrong else they repeat the wrong. There is a difference between child abuse and punishment. Spanking is a punishment. Time outs do not work.

My mental issues are not connected to spankings.

I agree 110%. Especially on the time out don't work. I stayed with my gram over summer and I'd get in trouble for chasing the chickens or hitting a baseball through a window, stuff like that. Time out, go right back to doing it as soon as its over. But when gram pulls out that wooden spoon, man, you better run for your life. :lol:

[Gamma Male]

I agree 110%. Especially on the time out don't work. I stayed with my gram over summer and I'd get in trouble for chasing the chickens or hitting a baseball through a window, stuff like that. Time out, go right back to doing it as soon as its over. But when gram pulls out that wooden spoon, man, you better run for your life. :lol:

Actually, studies have shown that while spankings are more effective at getting children to comply immediately, children who were neveror very rarely spanked are generally less rebellious and listen more in the first place.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/spanking-triggers-vicious-cycle-study-finds/
http://tulane.edu/publichealth/pressroom/spanking.cfm
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4143886/

Also, scientific study>personal anecdote.

[Lovelife090994]

Actually, studies have shown that while spankings are more effective at getting children to comply immediately, children who were neveror very rarely spanked are generally less rebellious and listen more in the first place.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/spanking-triggers-vicious-cycle-study-finds/
http://tulane.edu/publichealth/pressroom/spanking.cfm
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4143886/

Also, scientific study>personal anecdote.

These are children, not test subjects. Personal stories have merit. You'd know that if you were actually raised. Not all kids are model children, some children are hard-headed.

[Gamma Male]

These are children, not test subjects. Personal stories have merit. You'd know that if you were actually raised. Not all kids are model children, some children are hard-headed.

Literally none of what you just said is relevant. Do you deny the validity of these studies? Do you deny the results?

[Lovelife090994]

Literally none of what you just said is relevant. Do you deny the validity of these studies? Do you deny the results?

Ha! What study? It's all propaganda to make out every spanker parent as sadistic and everyone spanked as a victim of Stockholm syndrome. What validity is there in denying a person's words? Or do only those of your cloth and approval matter to you? You really should learn how to not be a stereotype.

[Gamma Male]

Ha! What study?
The three that I listed. Y'know, the peer reviewed ones done by reputable medical organizations.
t's all propaganda to make out every spanker parent as sadistic and everyone spanked as a victim of Stockholm syndrome.
So you deny that the studies are accurate? If so, please explain what flaws you found in them.
What validity is there in denying a person's words?
I'm assuming you're referring to me denying that one guys story about being spanked and turning out fine.
The reason I denied his story is because he's just one person, and doesn't represent the population at large. As revealed by the study which found that on average, children who were spanked misbehave much more often than children who weren't spankef, thereby debunking the myth that spanking is the best way to discipline a child or that other methods don't work as well.
Or do only those of your cloth and approval matter to you?
I trust studies done by professional doctors and psychiatrists more than personal accounts by stangers on the internet. I guess I'm just weird that way.
You really should learn how to not be a stereotype.

What?

[Lovelife090994]

The three that I listed. Y'know, the peer reviewed ones done by reputable medical organizations.

So you deny that the studies are accurate? If so, please explain what flaws you found in them.

I'm assuming you're referring to me denying that one guys story about being spanked and turning out fine.
The reason I denied his story is because he's just one person, and doesn't represent the population at large. As revealed by the study which found that on average, children who were spanked misbehave much more often than children who weren't spankef, thereby debunking the myth that spanking is the best way to discipline a child or that other methods don't work as well.

I trust studies done by professional doctors and psychiatrists more than personal accounts by stangers on the internet. I guess I'm just weird that way.


What?


Even if you are an antitheist physics guy you should really learn how to keep your ears from having selective hearing. This was fun but I can already tell you and I will never come to terms with this subject like everything else in existence, so ciao. See you at perdition, oh wait, we're both already there in this dead place called life. Hahhaha,

[Vlerchan]

...learn how to keep your ears from having selective hearing.
> Not all smokers die of cancer.
> Smoking does not cause cancer.

...?

[Vlerchan]

del.

[Gamma Male]

Even if you are an antitheist physics guy you should really learn how to keep your ears from having selective hearing.
It's not selective hearing. The vast majority of scientific studies say the same things about spankings.
This was fun but I can already tell you and I will never come to terms with this subject like everything else in existence, so ciao. See you at perdition, oh wait, we're both already there in this dead place called life. Hahhaha,

Yeah, but you never know. Your views could change someday.:lol:

[Lovelife090994]

It's not selective hearing. The vast majority of scientific studies say the same things about spankings.


Yeah, but you never know. Your views could change someday.:lol:

Please. The day I become a liberal atheist is the day I commit suicide. I'm not going to throw away what I believe in to be politically correct. I feel spanking is a punishment, I love Jesus, I do not agree with abortion, I hate PDA, I'd rather live alone, marriage is something I don't get, and I hate gay extremists. But I still am okay with my polar opposites, I just avoid them.

[Gamma Male]

Please. The day I become a liberal atheist is the day I commit suicide. I'm not going to throw away what I believe in to be politically correct. I feel spanking is a punishment, I love Jesus, I do not agree with abortion, I hate PDA, I'd rather live alone, marriage is something I don't get, and I hate gay extremists. But I still am okay with my polar opposites, I just avoid them.

That's all fine and dandy, but that doesn't mean women should be forced to wear shirts in situations in which men are not required to wear shirts.

[Remora]

I consider it harassment- instead of punishing them by... well, yeah, punishing, how about you punish them by not rewarding them? kids nowadays are way too spoiled...

[Lovelife090994]

That's all fine and dandy, but that doesn't mean women should be forced to wear shirts in situations in which men are not required to wear shirts.

I guess, but ew! First I gotta see guys, now girls too? A bunch of breaats and moobs flopping about is ultra gross and unclean. I like wearing clothes. Does anyone want to wear clothes anymore? From trunks to speedos or bikini to nothing is one thing, full out naked at the store and eating out is another.

[britishboy]

Let parents do what they want, it's not the governments job to force parents to raise their children in a certain way.

[Vlerchan]

Let parents do what they want, it's not the governments job to force parents to raise their children in a certain way.
You would agree that I should be allowed to beat my son/daughter into hospital then for misbehavior?

I also thought conservatives supported equality under the law: do you favour making legal exceptions (for assualt in this case) on the basis of one being kin?

[britishboy]

You would agree that I should be allowed to beat my son/daughter into hospital then for misbehavior?

I also thought conservatives supported equality under the law: do you favour making legal exceptions (for assualt in this case) on the basis of one being kin?

Not into hospital that is different from a spanking and your second part doesn't make sense.

[Vlerchan]

Not into hospital that is different from a spanking ...
But you said "let parents do what they want" and "it's not the governments job to force parents to raise their children a certain way".

and your second part doesn't make sense.
I'll rephrase:

Historically, conservatives and libertarians have called for equality under the law, i.e., that all individuals be treated the same regardless of race, sex, sexual orientation, etc., but you are currently calling for exceptions for individuals guilty of assualt on the basis of kinship. I'm pointing out that your position is not aligned with traditional conservative and libertarian 'dogma'.

[Gamma Male]

Historically, conservatives and libertarians have called for equality under the law, i.e., that all individuals be treated the same regardless of race, sex, sexual orientation, etc.,

That's the first I'm hearing of this.:lol:

[Lovelife090994]

You would agree that I should be allowed to beat my son/daughter into hospital then for misbehavior?

I also thought conservatives supported equality under the law: do you favour making legal exceptions (for assualt in this case) on the basis of one being kin?

That is abuse, not punishment, there is a difference. And it is YOUR job as the PARENT to raise your OWN child.

[Vlerchan]

That is abuse, not punishment, there is a difference.
It's MY job as a PARENT to raise my OWN child.

Why should YOU get to interfere in how I raise MY child because YOU consider it abuse?

[Lovelife090994]

It's MY job as a PARENT to raise my OWN child.

Why should YOU get to interfere in how I raise MY child because YOU consider it abuse?

What? A parent raises their children, the government steps in when they are abusing them instead of raising them. There is a difference hard of head.

[Vlerchan]

A parent raises their children, the government steps in when they are abusing them instead of raising them.
I don't see why the government should get to define abuse: as the parent of the child should I not know what's best regarding my childs welfare? And as you said: "... it is YOUR job as the PARENT to raise your OWN child" - there's no 'government' in 'parent'.

For the record: You believe that governments should interevene in cases where the parents are being abusive?

[Lovelife090994]

I don't see why the government should get to define abuse: as the parent of the child should I not know what's best regarding my childs welfare? And as you said: "... it is YOUR job as the PARENT to raise your OWN child" - there's no 'government' in 'parent'.

For the record: You believe that governments should interevene in cases where the parents are being abusive?

Of course. A child being abused is not a child being raised and nurtured. Surely you can see this as an issue. Parents are supposed to raise their kids until someone calls CPS and then the government gets involved. Some people should not be parents.

[Vlerchan]

A child being abused is not a child being raised and nurtured.
Would you consider either:

inflicting physical harm, or;
inflicting psychological trauma

to be abuse?

Parents are supposed to raise their kids until someone calls CPS and then the government gets involved.
But what if the child comes to appreciate the tough love when she's older?

I know some 'abusive' parents might argue that it instills a sense of discipline.

And what would the government know about raising my child?

[Harry Smith]

Would you consider either:

inflicting physical harm, or;
inflicting psychological trauma

to be abuse?


But what if the child comes to appreciate the tough love when she's older?

I know some 'abusive' parents might argue that it instills a sense of discipline.

And what would the government know about raising my child?

I think the irony is getting lost here mate

[mrmee]

Actually, studies have shown that while spankings are more effective at getting children to comply immediately, children who were neveror very rarely spanked are generally less rebellious and listen more in the first place.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/spanking-triggers-vicious-cycle-study-finds/
http://tulane.edu/publichealth/pressroom/spanking.cfm
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/4143886/

Also, scientific study>personal anecdote.

Scientific studies my ass. My parents are divorced, and one believed in spanking, one did not. I have lived both ways. In the long run, It teaches respect.
Something you are lacking in addition to common sense and reasoning capabilities, by our last conversation. It just seems funny to me that with all the people saying the same as me here, you chose my post to quote and try to disprove.
Furthermore, I will not be responding to any more of your quotes, as what you say makes me want to hurl. Good day sir.

[Vlerchan]

In the long run, It teaches respect.
... time outs worked just as well as spanking for (immediate) subsequent compliance on 30 tasks assigned by the mother. Long-term compliance is decreased after spanking.

... spanking tends to increase child aggression. “Spanking predicted increases in children’s aggression over and above initial levels [of aggressive behavior]” and “in none of these longitudinal studies did spanking predict reductions in children’s aggression over time”.

http://m.psychologytoday.com/blog/moral-landscapes/201309/research-spanking-it-s-bad-all-kids

It just seems funny to me that with all the people saying the same as me here.
I'm more amused by the blind denial of scientific evidence by other people.

[mrmee]

... time outs worked just as well as spanking for (immediate) subsequent compliance on 30 tasks assigned by the mother. Long-term compliance is decreased after spanking.

... spanking tends to increase child aggression. “Spanking predicted increases in children’s aggression over and above initial levels [of aggressive behavior]” and “in none of these longitudinal studies did spanking predict reductions in children’s aggression over time”.

http://m.psychologytoday.com/blog/moral-landscapes/201309/research-spanking-it-s-bad-all-kids




I'm more amused by the blind denial of scientific evidence by other people.

All I need to say, is not everything "scientific studies" says is correct, because they call it scientific. I can go and interview my neighbors opinions and call that a scientific study. It's not blind denial, its not believing everything everyone tells you. Before you say, "are you denying the validity or effectiveness of this study?" YES. Your study is a load of bull shit, so you can stop giving the link to it. I will not look at the nonsense in the link, because there is no way they eliminated every variable in the different child's lives, nor have they reviewed every child in the world and how they were raised to come to their conclusion. The study is bull shit.

[Harry Smith]

All I need to say, is not everything "scientific studies" says is correct, because they call it scientific. I can go and interview my neighbors opinions and call that a scientific study. It's not blind denial, its not believing everything everyone tells you. Before you say, "are you denying the validity or effectiveness of this study?" YES. Your study is a load of bull shit, so you can stop giving the link to it. I will not look at the nonsense in the link, because there is no way they eliminated every variable in the different child's lives, nor have they reviewed every child in the world and how they were raised to come to their conclusion. The study is bull shit.

Ah so that means you're correct-how convenient

[Vlerchan]

I can go and interview my neighbors opinions and call that a scientific study.
Yes. Though, it wouldn't be a very good one.

I linked to a review of what would be considered a good one.

It's not blind denial, its not believing everything everyone tells you.
It appears as blind denial when you reject the compelling evidence against your position that you admit to never having read.

I will not look at the nonsense in the link, because there is no way they eliminated every variable in the different child's lives, nor have they reviewed every child in the world and how they were raised to come to their conclusion.
And that's why the study never claims that "spanking causes X" but rather that "spanking is connected with X."

If you bothered to read the evidence against you you'd have realised this.

The study is bull shit.
I just think you don't understand how inductive reasoning works.

[justarandomteen]

I don't think it is good or effective, but neither should it be illegal. When I have my kids, I will never hit them, although take away electronics, etc, as punishment. Spanking is morally wrong, and is kinda abuse, although I suppose it is just a last resort discipline.

[Gamma Male]

Sooooo...
Scientific studies my ass. My parents are divorced, and one believed in spanking, one did not. I have lived both ways. In the long run, It teaches respect.

You're rejecting the study I've provided in favor of personal rhetoric, without actually pointing to any flaws in the design of the study or explaining WHY you feel the study is invalid.
Something you are lacking in addition to common sense and reasoning capabilities, by our last conversation. It just seems funny to me that with all the people saying the same as me here, you chose my post to quote and try to disprove.
Resorting to an ad hominem.
Furthermore, I will not be responding to any more of your quotes, as what you say makes me want to hurl. Good day sir.

And refusing to respond to me further.

...okay then.

[CharlieHorse]

I can't believe people are still arguing about this.
Teaching you kid discipline in the form of smacking them only works for some.
For others, it makes a screwed up person.
Should it be legal? That's for you to decide. But I bet there's better ways of teaching discipline than risking screwing up your kid.

[DarkHorse4eva]

i've never been spanked
i've been yelled at, very loud, and now and then my dad hits me, but i take it relaxed

[Alexwellace]

Of course spanking should be legal, and in no way is it abusive. The WHOLE POINT of spanking a child is because you have there best interest at heart, my parent's never enjoyed doing it and they never did it when it wasn't needed, but i can sure as hell saying if i did something deserving of a spanking, i never did that again! Whenever i walk into school i see disrespectful little *Insert noun here* speaking to teachers as if the teachers can't touch them, because they can't, and they believe no one can. I'd put money on those kids are the kids who never got spanked, because they don't respect elders. Something this new generation seems to forget to do...

[Karagor]

Of course spanking should be legal, and in no way is it abusive. The WHOLE POINT of spanking a child is because you have there best interest at heart, my parent's never enjoyed doing it and they never did it when it wasn't needed, but i can sure as hell saying if i did something deserving of a spanking, i never did that again! Whenever i walk into school i see disrespectful little *Insert noun here* speaking to teachers as if the teachers can't touch them, because they can't, and they believe no one can. I'd put money on those kids are the kids who never got spanked, because they don't respect elders. Something this new generation seems to forget to do...

Actually, I'd put money on that kid being the one that is spanked... Simply because spanking a child is admitting to the child "I have no way of justifying myself, so I'm going to use brute force to ensure you fall in line".

As far as I'm concerned, by spanking your child, you are admitting to being outsmarted by the child. (Which, in all honesty, is sometimes okay. Children can be witty when they want to be)

[Gamma Male]

Of course spanking should be legal, and in no way is it abusive. The WHOLE POINT of spanking a child is because you have there best interest at heart, my parent's never enjoyed doing it and they never did it when it wasn't needed, but i can sure as hell saying if i did something deserving of a spanking, i never did that again! Whenever i walk into school i see disrespectful little *Insert noun here* speaking to teachers as if the teachers can't touch them, because they can't, and they believe no one can. I'd put money on those kids are the kids who never got spanked, because they don't respect elders. Something this new generation seems to forget to do...

Actually studies have shown that teenagers who were spanked as children typically turn out to be more rebellious, and act out more than teens who were never spanked. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean spanking causes rebelliousness, just that the two are correlated strongly. But either way you're wrong.

[Lovelife090994]

Actually studies have shown that teenagers who were spanked as children typically turn out to be more rebellious, and act out more than teens who were never spanked. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean spanking causes rebelliousness, just that the two are correlated strongly. But either way you're wrong.

What studies? Were you ever spanked. Don't answer that one. I can tell you haven't been.

[Gamma Male]

What studies?
The ones I already listed previously in this thread. The ones you completely ignored.

Were you ever spanked. Don't answer that one. I can tell you haven't been.

Yes, I was spanked. Not that it's relevant.

[Lovelife090994]

The ones I already listed previously in this thread. The ones you completely ignored.


Yes, I was spanked. Not that it's relevant.

Yes, it is relevant. It affects your opinion.

[Gamma Male]

Yes, it is relevant. It affects your opinion.

My opinion isn't relevant, I argue with facts and logic and science, not opinion.

[Lovelife090994]

My opinion isn't relevant, I argue with facts and logic and science, not opinion.

Everyone's opinion is relevant. Who said it's irrelevant? You can bring up logic, ideas, your ideas, opinions, religion, art, cooking, and science if need be. There aren't rules on it. Just talk.

[micheal951]

I was "spanked" as a child (sorry have to use "" as where I am from it is simply called a slap :P) and it never harmed me, in fact it help as I never did what I did to get slapped again.
And to ban things like that is just the government sticking there noses in peoples lives....Yet again....And if I am not mistaken it already is illegal here in the UK? (Looks on Google).....Thanks Google, no not illegal per say, but it is illegal to smack the child hard enough to leave a mark...So that one is understandable.

[Vlerchan]

I was "spanked" as a child (sorry have to use "" as where I am from it is simply called a slap :P) and it never harmed me, in fact it help as I never did what I did to get slapped again.
I'm just going to reproduce the evidence I presented earlier:

... time outs worked just as well as spanking for (immediate) subsequent compliance on 30 tasks assigned by the mother. Long-term compliance is decreased after spanking.

... spanking tends to increase child aggression. “Spanking predicted increases in children’s aggression over and above initial levels [of aggressive behavior]” and “in none of these longitudinal studies did spanking predict reductions in children’s aggression over time”.

http://m.psychologytoday.com/blog/moral-landscapes/201309/research-spanking-it-s-bad-all-kids

Others have produced a number of other pieces of evidence that question the effectiveness of spanking.

And to ban things like that is just the government sticking there noses in peoples lives....Yet again....
I don't have a problem with the government intervening against assault.

[Miserabilia]

I was "spanked" as a child (sorry have to use "" as where I am from it is simply called a slap :P) and it never harmed me, in fact it help as I never did what I did to get slapped again.
And to ban things like that is just the government sticking there noses in peoples lives....Yet again....And if I am not mistaken it already is illegal here in the UK? (Looks on Google).....Thanks Google, no not illegal per say, but it is illegal to smack the child hard enough to leave a mark...So that one is understandable.

that's all okay but

And to ban things like that is just the government sticking there noses in peoples lives

yes that is what rules are
it's what we use to stop things like child abuse

[micheal951]

yes that is what rules are
it's what we use to stop things like child abuse

I understand that, but sometimes the governments just need to butt out of people lives, there is a huge difference between child abuse, and punishment, but sadly the line is very thin and easy to cross.

I don't have a problem with the government intervening against assault.

I am not saying they should not intervene in assault, but the things they do involve themselves in, is just none of their business. Like punishment, it is not up to the governments to say how and when you can punish your own child, fair enough to say the amount of punishment ect, like the fact they made it illegal to leave a mark and the such here in the UK. But to ban slapping altogether is just ridiculous. And thankfully MPs in the House of Commons here seem to agree as the Children Act 2004 ban striking of children by parents was defeated by 424 votes to 75. But in 2005 an amendment to ban parents from leaving a mark was successful by 284 votes to 208, which is what I am saying, it is okay to strike the child, so long as it is done in a way that A. Punishes the child and B. Leaves no lasting injury.

Please do not double post; instead, use the 'edit' button on the lower-right of your post. ~Typhlosion

[Vlerchan]

I am not saying they should not intervene in assault, but the things they do involve themselves in, is just none of their business.
Please explain to me what you believe the pre-conditions for government involvement are.

---

I also mentioned 'assault' because 'spanking' is just the legalised assault of minors.

Like punishment, it is not up to the governments to say how and when you can punish your own child, fair enough to say the amount of punishment ect, like the fact they made it illegal to leave a mark and the such here in the UK.
I believe that 'spanking' is excessive as far as punishment goes just like you believe that 'spanking to leave a mark' is excessive.

We're really not that different.

But to ban slapping altogether is just ridiculous.
You've yet to provide an argument to sway me on the issue.

I've produced evidence that evidence that spanking is both 'ineffective' and 'results in increased levels of aggression'.

And thankfully MPs in the House of Commons here seem to agree as the Children Act 2004 ban striking of children by parents was defeated by 424 votes to 75. But in 2005 an amendment to ban parents from leaving a mark was successful by 284 votes to 208, which is what I am saying, it is okay to strike the child, so long as it is done in a way that A. Punishes the child and B. Leaves no lasting injury.
I don't care what British laws say about spanking - and it agreeing with your position does not make it correct. I still consider spanking abusive.

You're also only defining injury is a solely physical sense, I would consider the promotion of future aggression a psychological injury.

[micheal951]

Please explain to me what you believe the pre-conditions for government involvement are.

---

I also mentioned 'assault' because 'spanking' is just the legalised assault of minors.


I believe that 'spanking' is excessive as far as punishment goes just like you believe that 'spanking to leave a mark' is excessive.

We're really not that different.


You've yet to provide an argument to sway me on the issue.

I've produced evidence that evidence that spanking is both 'ineffective' and 'results in increased levels of aggression'.


I don't care what British laws say about spanking - and it agreeing with your position does not make it correct. I still consider spanking abusive.

You're also only defining injury is a solely physical sense, I would consider the promotion of future aggression a psychological injury.

Well to put it simply, I am not trying to sway anyone's minds or opinions, we all have different ones for a reason, there is no "right or wrong" when it comes to punishment, so long as it is not done "excessively" there is nothing wrong with it at all. I was spanked alot as a child if I did something that merely shouting at me or putting me on a "naughty step" would have no affect, my father started out with the naughty step, but it never worked, so what if I had to sit patiently for so many minutes, once time was up, I could go back to doing what ever it was I was doing in the first place. So my father started to slap me if I did something, and I am not talking about not cleaning my room or small things, I mean if I swore at a teacher...Or threw a milk bottle at one (yes I did that when I was about 7, and regret it), if/when I did that he would hit me....And I sure as hell never did it again, but it never harmed me or left me scared for life. I do not hate him for what he did, the opposite, he turned me from a little sh*t, to someone who now has a goal in life.
And I never once said that just because the government agrees with my position that makes it right, it was just a statement. But by the by....So long as the parent does not leave a mark, even if it was banned and made illegal, who would know?

[Vlerchan]

... there is no "right or wrong" when it comes to punishment, so long as it is not done "excessively" there is nothing wrong with it at all.
If you believe that there is an 'excessive' then you must by extension believe there is a 'wrong'.

You're as interested in stopping what you consider abuse as much as I am.

I was spanked alot as a child if I did something that merely shouting at me or putting me on a "naughty step" would have no affect, my father started out with the naughty step, but it never worked, so what if I had to sit patiently for so many minutes, once time was up, I could go back to doing what ever it was I was doing in the first place. So my father started to slap me if I did something, and I am not talking about not cleaning my room or small things, I mean if I swore at a teacher...Or threw a milk bottle at one (yes I did that when I was about 7, and regret it), if/when I did that he would hit me....And I sure as hell never did it again, but it never harmed me or left me scared for life. I do not hate him for what he did, the opposite, he turned me from a little sh*t, to someone who now has a goal in life.
Your anecdotal evidence is great but I'm going to stick with the so-far produced studies which took account of the aggregate affects of spanking.

I'll repeat that these were quite negative.

But by the by....So long as the parent does not leave a mark, even if it was banned and made illegal, who would know?
I'd consider making it illegal would make parents less likely to resort to it.

[peyton2000]

There's nothing wrong with spanking as long as it's for discipline and not abusive. I get spanked but not beat

[Gamma Male]

I love how everyone is just completely ignoring all of the various studies and links that have been provided in favor of personal experiences.

"I was spanked and turned out just fine!"


...HOW THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW!?! Maybe you would've turned out even better if you hadn't been spanked. Maybe you didn't turn out just fine, maybe you anger easily and don't know how to deal with problems properly. You don't know. You have nothing to compare yourself to. Maybe if you hadn't of been spanked you'd be better at vocalizing your thoughts or confronting problems. How do you know?

[peyton2000]

And how do you know someone wouldn't have turned out worse if they were not spanked? A perfect example is I don't go around dropping the f bomb on threads because I'd get my but busted for using that language

[Lovelife090994]

I love how everyone is just completely ignoring all of the various studies and links that have been provided in favor of personal experiences.

"I was spanked and turned out just fine!"


...HOW THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW!?! Maybe you would've turned out even better if you hadn't been spanked. Maybe you didn't turn out just fine, maybe you anger easily and don't know how to deal with problems properly. You don't know. You have nothing to compare yourself to. Maybe if you hadn't of been spanked you'd be better at vocalizing your thoughts or confronting problems. How do you know?

If you were my mother's child she'd spank you for using profanity.

[Miserabilia]

And how do you know someone wouldn't have turned out worse if they were not spanked? A perfect example is I don't go around dropping the f bomb on threads because I'd get my but busted for using that language

And what exactly did that do for you in life?

[peyton2000]

And what exactly did that do for you in life?

Not cussing or getting spanked when I do

[Gamma Male]

And how do you know someone wouldn't have turned out worse if they were not spanked? A perfect example is I don't go around dropping the f bomb on threads because I'd get my but busted for using that language

Because I've provided multiple studies and pieces of evidence that strongly suggest otherwise.

[peyton2000]

A study is not a fact it's research on a subject, beliefs, thoughts and opinions you feeling that spanking is harmful is no more factual than me believing it's helpful this will be my last post on this thread because I'm not here to argue and fight I will just agree to disagree.

[LouBerry]

I'm jumping in a bit late here, but I'm keeping my two year old niece tonight, and twenty minutes ago, she was refusing to go to bed, and when I'd tell her to lay down she'd scream and start running. So I grabbed her and smacked her booty, and now she's in bed sleeping.

There is nothing wrong with spanking your kids. I'll spank mine when I have them.

It's not like you're beating a child, and especially with young children. I would stab myself with a knife before I would hurt Madi, but I give her spankings when she misbehaves so she doesn't hurt herself.

[Gamma Male]

A study is not a fact it's research on a subject, beliefs, thoughts and opinions you feeling that spanking is harmful is no more factual than me believing it's helpful this will be my last post on this thread because I'm not here to argue and fight I will just agree to disagree.
So you're just denying everything all of the various scientific studies have shown for no reason whatsoever? Okay then.

I'm jumping in a bit late here, but I'm keeping my two year old niece tonight, and twenty minutes ago, she was refusing to go to bed, and when I'd tell her to lay down she'd scream and start running. So I grabbed her and smacked her booty, and now she's in bed sleeping.

There is nothing wrong with spanking your kids. I'll spank mine when I have them.

It's not like you're beating a child, and especially with young children. I would stab myself with a knife before I would hurt Madi, but I give her spankings when she misbehaves so she doesn't hurt herself.

Are you aware that children who're spanked are many times more likely to misbehave often later on?

[LouBerry]

So you're just denying everything all of the various scientific studies have shown for no reason whatsoever? Okay then.



Are you aware that children who're spanked are many times more likely to misbehave often later on?

Well, I believe it's in the parenting. I got my butt busted when I was a kid, and you betcha that what ever I did, I didn't do it again. My grandparents did the same with their kids, and their parents did the same with them. But, I don't believe those studies could be accurate enough, because no two couples raise their kids the same. There are so many other factors to consider. It just seems like too broad a spectrum.

[Miserabilia]

Not cussing or getting spanked when I do

I meant, what exactly is it not cussing did for you in life, besides a fear of getting hit when you cus?

[mrmee]

Children will not learn jack shit from "a stern talking to" or "time out". I know because thats how i am to this day. Spanking doesn't make a kid disrespect their parents either. I respect my mom very much. Not so much my dad, but for other reasons.
Once i was running through the kitchen at my grams house. She yelled at me to stop once, twice, and the next time i came around the counter WHAM! I as layin on the floor thinkin "where'd that freight train come from?!?" She got het wooden spoon and broke it across my head! Then got the other one because she was mad i broke her wooden spoon.
Now i will agree that was rather excessive, but you can bet your ass i never ran through the kitchen again! She may be quick to crack someone with her spoon, but she had 10 kids practice. I respect her more than anyone else, dso its a case in point that spanking is not a cause for loss of respect or mental issues. Man, for a 90+ year old lady, she's got an arm on her!

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