Abnormal Mother Nature

[Andriod09]

So as of recent events, I've seen some extremely weird things going on with the world.

In Yellowstone Nation Park here in the United States, there have been some volcanic activity, in some parts of the Mid. US, there have been reports of "beams of light shooting up from the ground," and many others.


If I'm not mistaken, I do think that part of the bible's "Revelations" is coming true, don't you agree?

I would love to have a discussion with this, please (below) tell me if you agree or disagree with me. I wouldn't mind knowing what you think.


Thanks!
Andy|Andriod09

[CosmicNoodle]

I should point out, I'm an avid atheist. I detest the thought of most religions, including yours (sorry if that offends, welcome to the internet). So I may not be the top candidate for this debate.
As for Yellowstone, its a volcano, 5000 years overdue...what do you expect it too do?
Those lights are odd however. But if were going to take the lights into account for serious debate, let's also listen to the UFO stories and the Ghosts.

[Melodic]

This is more of an debate

Mother Nature :arrow: Ramblings of the Wise

[Cpt_Cutter]

I'd like to point out there are hundreds of daily reports about Bigfoot and aliens, yet we don't believe either of them.

[Gamma Male]

That's utterly absurd.

[thatcountrykid]

That's utterly absurd.

Whats so absurd about it.


Thing certainly have amped up lately and personally I beleive there are aliens. It may be coming true or maybe we've just hit a streak of bad luck.

[Gamma Male]

Whats so absurd about it.


Thing certainly have amped up lately and personally I beleive there are aliens. It may be coming true or maybe we've just hit a streak of bad luck.

coughcoughclimatechangecoughcough

[Voodoo]

Oh come on, don't start talking about the bullshit we call "climate change".. The earth has it's natural cycle hence the mini ice-ages. Also this topic is about Yellowstone National Park...

[Gamma Male]

Oh come on, don't start talking about the bullshit we call "climate change".. The earth has it's natural cycle hence the mini ice-ages. Also this topic is about Yellowstone National Park...

This topic is stupid. There is absolutely zero solid evidence to suggest that the world is about to end, or that the rapture is coming, or that anything in the bible is even remotely true. The recent hectic weather patterns worldwide can be attributed to climate change. Which just so happens to have mountains of evidence supporting it's existence.

[Blood]

So as of recent events, I've seen some extremely weird things going on with the world.

In Yellowstone Nation Park here in the United States, there have been some volcanic activity, in some parts of the Mid. US, there have been reports of "beams of light shooting up from the ground," and many others.


If I'm not mistaken, I do think that part of the bible's "Revelations" is coming true, don't you agree?

I would love to have a discussion with this, please (below) tell me if you agree or disagree with me. I wouldn't mind knowing what you think.


Thanks!
Andy|Andriod09


No.

Look, I really don't want to bash your religion or anything, but you'd have to be a fool to try to say that the world is ending because of something the bible says. Have you read Revelations? Of all the books in the bible, that has to be the most bullshit one. It's made to scare people and if you have even the slightest bit of common sense you'll realize that. Even preachers and pastors who follow the bible can't fully explain or understand revelations.

[thatcountrykid]

coughcoughclimatechangecoughcough

The world goes through cycles that you wills see if you look into the past. Climate change has nothing to do with volcanic and tectonic plate activity.

[Lovelife090994]

Ugh, once again VT has no sympathy to Christianity here... He said he believes in the story of Revelation. So do I. Something big is coming, the world is going haywire more than ever. The signs are happening. He is right, something is up on biblical proportions.

[Harry Smith]

Ugh, once again VT has no sympathy to Christianity here... He said he believes in the story of Revelation. So do I. Something big is coming, the world is going haywire more than ever. The signs are happening. He is right, something is up on biblical proportions.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming

However it could be likely that God is angry at the recent gay marriages, and he's simply trying to show us how angry he is


In Yellowstone Nation Park here in the United States, there have been some volcanic activity,

So a volcano has volcanic activity, what's surprising about that?

[Gamma Male]

The world goes through cycles that you wills see if you look into the past.
This reasoning is only used by completely scientifically illiterate people. Yes, the earth go's through natural periods of warmth and cold. But this latest rise in temperature is not a natural phase. Climate change is proven science.
Climate change has nothing to do with volcanic and tectonic plate activity.

Right.

Ugh, once again VT has no sympathy to Christianity here... He said he believes in the story of Revelation. So do I. Something big is coming, the world is going haywire more than ever. The signs are happening. He is right, something is up on biblical proportions.
Do you have any factual evidence to support your assertions?

[Harry Smith]

The world goes through cycles that you wills see if you look into the past. Climate change has nothing to do with volcanic and tectonic plate activity.

Simply wrong, as always the right wing agenda on climate change makes me laugh because well tbh it's crap. Have you heard of the El Nino effect? Because if you haven't then there is no point even discussing global warming

[Lovelife090994]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming

However it could be likely that God is angry at the recent gay marriages, and he's simply trying to show us how angry he is



So a volcano has volcanic activity, what's surprising about that?

Your sarcasm and emotionless astounds me. Tell me, do you blame everything on God? If anything God is angry about the corruption of the world and the evil done in his own name! God hasn't judged humanity in millenia, it'll happen soon. God loves even the gays and bisexuals which outnumber gays by the way. Please mention everyone from here to queer. God even loved you. You are here this day. Tomorrow isn't promised.


This reasoning is only used by completely scientifically illiterate people. Yes, the earth go's through natural periods of warmth and cold. But this latest rise in temperature is not a natural phase. Climate change is proven science.


Right.


Do you have any factual evidence to support your assertions?

Your attitude already proves my first sentence. Bless you child!

[Harry Smith]

Your sarcasm and emotionless astounds me. Tell me, do you blame everything on God? If anything God is angry about the corruption of the world and the evil done in his own name! God hasn't judged humanity in millenia, it'll happen soon. God loves even the gays and bisexuals which outnumber gays by the way. Please mention everyone from here to queer. God even loved you. You are here this day. Tomorrow isn't promised.

I was being sarcastic about the gay marriage thing if you didn't get it. I don't think that storms are caused by God

[Lovelife090994]

I was being sarcastic about the gay marriage thing if you didn't get it. I don't think that storms are caused by God

So then what is? Why be so sarcastic? That is rude.

[Gamma Male]

Your sarcasm and emotionless astounds me. Tell me, do you blame everything on God? If anything God is angry about the corruption of the world and the evil done in his own name! God hasn't judged humanity in millenia, it'll happen soon. God loves even the gays and bisexuals which outnumber gays by the way. Please mention everyone from here to queer. God even loved you. You are here this day. Tomorrow isn't promised.




Your attitude already proves my first sentence. Bless you child!

If by my "attitude", you mean that fact that I expect you to back up your claims with evidence, then yes. You're right.

[Lovelife090994]

If by my "attitude", you mean that fact that I expect you to back up your claims with evidence, then yes. You're right.

No, I mean calling someone's beliefs less than silly. Backing up is one thing, insults are another.

[Harry Smith]

So then what is? Why be so sarcastic? That is rude.

It's not rude-it's a mechanism to show the stupidity behind the idea that God controls whether patterns

[Gamma Male]

No, I mean calling someone's beliefs less than silly. Backing up is one thing, insults are another.

What? When did I insult anyone?

[Lovelife090994]

It's not rude-it's a mechanism to show the stupidity behind the idea that God controls whether patterns

No, that's rude. It's you spreading your bile and misconceptions. God made Nature idependent. Nature governs weather. Weather is one thing man cannot control.

What? When did I insult anyone?

By calling his beliefs "absurd" without even saying why. What's so wrong about it.

[Harry Smith]

No, that's rude. It's you spreading your bile and misconceptions. God made Nature idependent. Nature governs weather. Weather is one thing man cannot control.



By calling his beliefs "absurd" without even saying why. What's so wrong about it.

Do you have any evidence that God created weather? Otherwise don't make incorrect claims

[Gamma Male]

No, that's rude. It's you spreading your bile and misconceptions. God made Nature idependent. Nature governs weather. Weather is one thing man cannot control.



By calling his beliefs "absurd" without even saying why. What's so wrong about it.

I did explain why they were absurd. Read it again.

And "absurd" isn't an insult, it just means something is totally unrealistic and not supported by the facts. I called his beliefs absurd because he failed to provide any evidence for them whatsoever. I wasn't trying to make anyone feel bad.

[Lovelife090994]

Do you have any evidence that God created weather? Otherwise don't make incorrect claims

I did explain why they were absurd. Read it again.

And "absurd" isn't an insult, it just means something is totally unrealistic and not supported by the facts. I called his beliefs absurd because he failed to provide any evidence for them whatsoever. I wasn't trying to make anyone feel bad.

Neither of you are a god. You both have no right to call any beliefs absurd. Beliefs don't need proving because you don't prove what you believe or justify it, you believe it. Learn this now, being atheist does not equal being anti-religion or in your case the religious. So you want no one to feel bad? Then watch what you say. When you question someone's beliefs you are questioning their very core.

[Harry Smith]

Neither of you are a god. You both have no right to call any beliefs absurd. Beliefs don't need proving because you don't prove what you believe or justify it, you believe it. Learn this now, being atheist does not equal being anti-religion or in your case the religious. So you want no one to feel bad? Then watch what you say. When you question someone's beliefs you are questioning their very core.

If we had that view that we'd be afraid to sail to America because we may fall of the edge of the world. On the Ramblings of the Wise debate forum that expectation is that you have a debate-this includes providing evidence for any claims. If you can't provide evidence then you don't have an argument.

You claimed that God created the weather, we asked for evidence, you have none meaning by default you are most likely wrong. Debunked

[Gamma Male]

Neither of you are a god. You both have no right to call any beliefs absurd. Beliefs don't need proving because you don't prove what you believe or justify it, you believe it. Learn this now, being atheist does not equal being anti-religion or in your case the religious. So you want no one to feel bad? Then watch what you say. When you question someone's beliefs you are questioning their very core.

I'm not going to avoid pointing out that certain deeply held beliefs are illogical for fear of hurting someone's feelings. Reality isn't subjective. Believing in an incorrect belief doesn't make it so.

[Lovelife090994]

If we had that view that we'd be afraid to sail to America because we may fall of the edge of the world. On the Ramblings of the Wise debate forum that expectation is that you have a debate-this includes providing evidence for any claims. If you can't provide evidence then you don't have an argument.

You claimed that God created the weather, we asked for evidence, you have none meaning by default you are most likely wrong. Debunked

No, I gave my side, you accepted none. That "debunked" is null and void. You do not question religion. Don't you realize that is considered rude in real life and online? Have some tact.

I'm not going to avoid pointing out that certain deeply held beliefs are illogical for fear of hurting someone's feelings. Reality isn't subjective. Believing in an incorrect belief doesn't make it so.

Who are you to say it is incorrect? The beliefs of others are not yours to dictate.

[Gamma Male]

Neither of you are a god. You both have no right to call any beliefs absurd. Beliefs don't need proving because you don't prove what you believe or justify it, you believe it. Learn this now, being atheist does not equal being anti-religion or in your case the religious. So you want no one to feel bad? Then watch what you say. When you question someone's beliefs you are questioning their very core.

No, I gave my side, you accepted none. That "debunked" is null and void. You do not question religion. Don't you realize that is considered rude in real life and online? Have some tact.

Provide factual, objective evidence for your claims if you want people to take them seriously.

I'm not allowed to question religion because it's rude? That's ridiculous.

[Gamma Male]

No, I gave my side, you accepted none. That "debunked" is null and void. You do not question religion. Don't you realize that is considered rude in real life and online? Have some tact.



Who are you to say it is incorrect? The beliefs of others are not yours to dictate.

Who I am is irrelevant. I'm willing to provide evidence for every claim I make. You're not. End of story.

[Harry Smith]

Provide factual, objective evidence for your claims if you want people to take them seriously.

I'm not allowed to question religion because it's rude? That's ridiculous.

As I said with that attitude we wouldn't be able to sail around the world because christians use to think that we'd fall off the edge. The whole point of holding a belief is that you should be be flexible and happy to adjust. There's not much point trying to argue with someone who claims they have divine intervention as their evidence

[Lovelife090994]

Provide factual, objective evidence for your claims if you want people to take them seriously.

I'm not allowed to question religion because it's rude? That's ridiculous.

No that's life. I wouldn't call a Muslim's beliefs absurd. Just because I don't share the beliefs or agree doesn't give me the right to question them. You must respect the beliefs of all. The only time you question beliefs is when that specific person is using them for evil intentions.

As I said with that attitude we wouldn't be able to sail around the world because christians use to think that we'd fall off the edge. The whole point of holding a belief is that you should be be flexible and happy to adjust. There's not much point trying to argue with someone who claims they have divine intervention as their evidence

You don't even get it! It's not about Divine Intervention, it's about being respectful. Notice I have never picked at your atheism. Although now I am questioning your intentions, attitudde, and heart.

[Gamma Male]

No that's life. I wouldn't call a Muslim's beliefs absurd. Just because I don't share the beliefs or agree doesn't give me the right to question them. You must respect the beliefs of all. The only time you question beliefs is when that specific person is using them for evil intentions.

I can and will point out the absurdity of other people's beliefs if they refuse to provide evidence for them. I don't have to respect shit. Islam is illogical. Christianity is illogical. Judaism is illogical. Blind faith is illogical.

You're entitled to belief in whatever you want, and I'm entitled to criticise your beliefs if post them on a debate forum with providing evidence for them. Welcome to America.

[Harry Smith]

No that's life. I wouldn't call a Muslim's beliefs absurd. Just because I don't share the beliefs or agree doesn't give me the right to question them. You must respect the beliefs of all. The only time you question beliefs is when that specific person is using them for evil intentions.



You don't even get it! It's not about Divine Intervention, it's about being respectful. Notice I have never picked at your atheism. Although now I am questioning your intentions, attitudde, and heart.

That doesn't matter-it's a debate of ideas not people

[Lovelife090994]

I can and will point out the absurdity of other people's beliefs if they refuse to provide evidence for them. I don't have to respect shit. Islam is illogical. Christianity is illogical. Judaism is illogical. Blind faith is illogical.

You're entitled to belief in whatever you want, and I'm entitled to criticise your beliefs if post them on a debate forum with providing evidence for them. Welcome to America.

So you use the law the justify your hatred? A person's religion is a big part of them. Why hate it and use the law to justify it? That's like how the US was against all Japanese people during WW2. Evidence is fine, but the evidence with religion is a person's words and quotes. To you a person has no proof if they are religious? That is low, militant, and cruel. Why are you so... so... misguided? Who hurt you?

That doesn't matter-it's a debate of ideas not people

That idea is a big part of the person. When you insult faith you are insulting a big piece of who they are.

[Harry Smith]

That idea is a big part of the person. When you insult faith you are insulting a big piece of who they are.

Do you want to have a debate about abnormal nature?

[Lovelife090994]

Do you want to have a debate about abnormal nature?

I wanted to give my opinion until you starting blowing so many insults that it's hard to breathe. What use is there debating? You and I will never see eye to eye or agree on anything ever! As long as I am religious you'll never give me a chance.

[Gamma Male]

So you use the law the justify your hatred? A person's religion is a big part of them. Why hate it and use the law to justify it? That's like how the US was against all Japanese people during WW2. Evidence is fine, but the evidence with religion is a person's words and quotes. To you a person has no proof if they are religious? That is low, militant, and cruel. Why are you so... so... misguided? Who hurt you?



That idea is a big part of the person. When you insult faith you are insulting a big piece of who they are.

I'm not hating or insulting anyone.

Look, I can see from your posts that you seem to think I'm purposely trying to hurt and insult you. I'm not. The last thing I want is to hurt somebody. So please, please, please listen very carefully to what I'm about to say.





You need to stop taking everything so personally. Nobody here is trying to belittle you. Nobody here wants to hurt you. All we ask is that when you make a claim, you provide evidence for it. That's it. I'm sorry that you misinterprete my denial of your fallacious reasoning as hatred. That's not what it is. I have nothing against your beliefs. I just don't think they're logical.

[Miserabilia]

I wanted to give my opinion until you starting blowing so many insults that it's hard to breathe.

That is low, militant, and cruel. Why are you so... so... misguided? Who hurt you?

I'd like to start out by pointing out this constant hypocricy going on with you and insults. Honestly, I don't care if you insult anyone, but don't go around saying you are insulted when you are doing so just the same,
no matter what the subject is.

As for the subject,
I don't think there is a revelations or end of the world happening.
People have been saying so for as long as people have existed, and it's never come true.
There's not much abnormal nature than there was,
and abnormal is subjective anyway;
if there are strange things happening in nature at the moment anyway,
the chances are it's because of something man made or caused by man.

[Typhlosion]

The world was supposed to end in like, 2000 dude. And the year after that. And the year before that. And a millenia before that. And right now. And...

It's always the rapture to happen.

[Lovelife090994]

I'd like to start out by pointing out this constant hypocricy going on with you and insults. Honestly, I don't care if you insult anyone, but don't go around saying you are insulted when you are doing so just the same,
no matter what the subject is.

As for the subject,
I don't think there is a revelations or end of the world happening.
People have been saying so for as long as people have existed, and it's never come true.
There's not much abnormal nature than there was,
and abnormal is subjective anyway;
if there are strange things happening in nature at the moment anyway,
the chances are it's because of something man made or caused by man.

We are not perfect. And if I'm insulted, I'm insulted, you can't change that. Something is wrong with the world. The problem with things for prediction of the end of the world is that people assign dates to it. No man knows the time the world will end, but we do have signs. You can't rewrite the Bible nor rewrite my beliefs. Screw with words if you must; it won't change anything.

[Miserabilia]

We are not perfect. And if I'm insulted, I'm insulted, you can't change that. Something is wrong with the world. The problem with things for prediction of the end of the world is that people assign dates to it. No man knows the time the world will end, but we do have signs. You can't rewrite the Bible nor rewrite my beliefs. Screw with words if you must; it won't change anything.

And if I'm insulted, I'm insulted, you can't change that.
That's fine but don't try to use it as a counter argument because that makes one seem hypocrite.

Something is wrong with the world.
I aggree

he problem with things for prediction of the end of the world is that people assign dates to it. No man knows the time the world will end,
Indeed,
with everything comes an end but eceyr prediction of the end so far has been wrong.

but we do have signs.
Such as?

[Lovelife090994]

That's fine but don't try to use it as a counter argument because that makes one seem hypocrite.


I aggree


Indeed,
with everything comes an end but eceyr prediction of the end so far has been wrong.


Such as?

The signs of Revelation. Now more than ever, threats are becoming more known, poverty is getting worse than ever, and the Middle East may boil over any year now.

[Miserabilia]

The signs of Revelation. Now more than ever, threats are becoming more known, poverty is getting worse than ever, and the Middle East may boil over any year now.

Poverty has always been there,
and it's not more and worse han ever.
The middle east may boil over indeed,
but is that the end of the world as described in revelation?
Not really.
It's a completely independent event untill you can show a direct link between revelation and anything happening now that hasn't ever happened before.

[Lovelife090994]

Poverty has always been there,
and it's not more and worse han ever.
The middle east may boil over indeed,
but is that the end of the world as described in revelation?
Not really.
It's a completely independent event untill you can show a direct link between revelation and anything happening now that hasn't ever happened before.

Read the book of Revelation if you want a clearer picture. I will have to revisit it myself. What else do you want? I'm giving all I got.

[Harry Smith]

The signs of Revelation. Now more than ever, threats are becoming more known, poverty is getting worse than ever, and the Middle East may boil over any year now.

The Geopolitical situation in the middle east isn't caused by God

[Living For Love]

I'm a Christian, but I have to disagree here. You won't find anything in the Bible that supports that theory of volcanic activity and light beams shooting up from the ground. That's only one more consequence of the unrealistic conception people have of "The End Of The World", like a black hole will eat the planet, or major disasters such as earthquakes, volcanoes and tsunamis will happen everywhere. Mankind thinks they can predict everything, but they can't.

[Camazotz]

According to the National Park Service (http://www.nps.gov/yell/naturescience/volcanoqa.htm)...

"There is no evidence that a catastrophic eruption at Yellowstone National Park (YNP) is imminent. Current geologic activity at Yellowstone has remained relatively constant since earth scientists first started monitoring some 30 years ago. Though another caldera-forming eruption is theoretically possible, it is very unlikely to occur in the next thousand or even 10,000 years.

The most likely activity would be lava flows such as those that occurred after the last major eruption. Such a lava flow would ooze slowly over months and years, allowing plenty of time for park managers to evaluate the situation and protect people. No scientific evidence indicates such a lava flow will occur soon."

...

The science of forecasting a volcanic eruption has significantly advanced over the past 25 years. Most scientists think that the buildup preceding a catastrophic eruption would be detectable for weeks and perhaps months to years. Precursors to volcanic eruptions include strong earthquake swarms and rapid ground deformation and typically take place days to weeks before an actual eruption. Scientists at the YVO closely monitor the Yellowstone region for such precursors. They expect that the buildup to larger eruptions would include intense precursory activity (far exceeding background levels) at multiple spots within the Yellowstone volcano. As at many caldera systems around the world, small earthquakes, ground uplift and subsidence, and gas releases at Yellowstone are commonplace events and do not reflect impending eruptions.

As for abnormal weather/climate patterns, the obvious answer is global warming. Not sure what else I need to say; most people agree with me, but the people that deny global warming exists won't accept any scientific evidence we provide, so...

[Miserabilia]

Read the book of Revelation if you want a clearer picture. I will have to revisit it myself. What else do you want? I'm giving all I got.

Okay, so nothing appearently.
I've read the book of revelation,
but I don't see any clear patterns or similarities.

[phuckphace]

I'm a Christian, but I have to disagree here. You won't find anything in the Bible that supports that theory of volcanic activity and light beams shooting up from the ground. That's only one more consequence of the unrealistic conception people have of "The End Of The World", like a black hole will eat the planet, or major disasters such as earthquakes, volcanoes and tsunamis will happen everywhere. Mankind thinks they can predict everything, but they can't.

not to mention, the Bible never gives a precise date or much less a general timeframe when the apocalypse is supposed to happen, so these people claiming to have received a message from God about our last day aren't just loony in general, they're also false prophets from the Bible's perspective.

[Miserabilia]

not to mention, the Bible never gives a precise date or much less a general timeframe when the apocalypse is supposed to happen, so these people claiming to have received a message from God about our last day aren't just loony in general, they're also false prophets from the Bible's perspective.

This.

[Vlerchan]

You do not question religion.
I find this stance - because it is just a stance, an opinion - to be an incredibly unhealthy one to take. You might not want your beliefs to be subject to critical analysis, and that's fair enough - ignorance is bliss, etc. but if you are going to put them forward in the context of (sometimes) intellectual discussion and debate, there's zero reason why we should hold them above the other opinions. You don't have a monopoly on the truth, and we shouldn't have to pretend like you do.

On topic, it's definitely aliens.

[Miserabilia]

I find this stance - because it is just a stance, an opinion - to be an incredibly unhealthy one to take. You might not want your beliefs to be subject to critical analysis, and that's fair enough - ignorance is bliss, etc. but if you are going to put them forward in the context of (sometimes) intellectual discussion and debate, there's zero reason why we should hold them above the other opinions. You don't have a monopoly on the truth, and we shouldn't have to pretend like you do.

On topic, it's definitely aliens.

:lol:

[phuckphace]

On topic, it's definitely aliens.

and the same ones who did 9/11 at that

[Lovelife090994]

I find this stance - because it is just a stance, an opinion - to be an incredibly unhealthy one to take. You might not want your beliefs to be subject to critical analysis, and that's fair enough - ignorance is bliss, etc. but if you are going to put them forward in the context of (sometimes) intellectual discussion and debate, there's zero reason why we should hold them above the other opinions. You don't have a monopoly on the truth, and we shouldn't have to pretend like you do.

On topic, it's definitely aliens.

It's not about me. It's a general rule. You never insult someone's beliefs.

[Vlerchan]

It's not about me. It's a general rule. You never insult someone's beliefs.
But, you said: "You do not question religion." Do you retract that statement?

Regardless, define: 'Insult'. Does it encompass questioning?

[Lovelife090994]

But, you said: "You do not question religion," do you retract that statement?

Regardless, define: 'Insult'. Does it encompass questioning?

Religion, beliefs, faith, you don't insult either. It's not something you do. I'm not picking at your atheism so I'd ask you not to pick at Christianity as a whole when you'll never understand the mind of a Christian since you aren't one. That's like me belittling a Buddhist because I'm not Buddhist. That's just not right. You never pick at buttons and religion is a button.

[Vlerchan]

Religion, beliefs, faith, you don't insult either. It's not something you do. I'm not picking at your atheism so I'd ask you not to pick at Christianity as a whole when you'll never understand the mind of a Christian since you aren't one. That's like me belittling a Buddhist because I'm not Buddhist. That's just not right. You never pick at buttons and religion is a button.
You didn't answer either of my questions. Please answer my questions.

[Lovelife090994]

You didn't answer either of my questions. Please answer my questions.

I do answer your questions, but since they have my religious beliefs behind them you don't accept them.

[Vlerchan]

I do answer your questions, but since they have my religious beliefs behind them you don't accept them.
No, I'm not accepting the response because it didn't answer either question I put forward. I'll repost:

But, you said: "You do not question religion." Do you retract that statement?

Regardless, define: 'Insult'. Does it encompass questioning?
There.

[Lovelife090994]

No, I'm not accepting the response because it didn't answer either question I put forward. I'll repost:

But, you said: "You do not question religion." Do you retract that statement?

Regardless, define: 'Insult'. Does it encompass questioning?
There.

Insulting includes undermining and refusal of words. I give you my words but you never take them and have me repeat myself? How does that solve anything. At least say "I do not agree, but whatever." Something other than "That proves nothing."

Why'd I retract anything. Insulting religion is bad.

[Vlerchan]

Insulting includes undermining and refusal of words. I give you my words but you never take them and have me repeat myself? How does that solve anything. At least say "I do not agree, but whatever." Something other than "That proves nothing."
Firstly, you weren't repeating yourself, because you didn't answer my question the first time.

Secondly, would I be correct to say that you would be insulted if, in the context of discussing religion, I questioned your beliefs ("undermined") or didn't accept your argument ("refusal of words")?

Why'd I retract anything. Insulting religion is bad.
You originally said that one shouldn't 'question' religion. I'm asking if you still stand by that.

[Lovelife090994]

Firstly, you weren't repeating yourself, because you didn't answer my question the first time.

Secondly, would I be correct to say that you would be insulted if, in the context of discussing religion, I questioned your beliefs ("undermined") or didn't accept your argument ("refusal of words")?


You originally said that one shouldn't 'question' religion. I'm asking if you still stand by that.

That's the same as insulting it. You do neither, insult or question. It's deeply rooted in a person.

[Vlerchan]

That's the same as insulting it. You do neither, insult or question. It's deeply rooted in a person.
Okay. Thank you for clearing that up.

I'm not going to self-censor myself, however.

[Lovelife090994]

Okay. Thank you for clearing that up.

I'm not going to self-censor myself, however.

Good luck then.