America's End

[Horatio Nelson]

Do you think America will fall one day? Maybe in a Roman Empire-esque manner? Or do you think the government might cross the line and spark a civil war? Perhaps America will remain a world power for years to come?

Opinions?

[Vlerchan]

America will have fallen by the end of the century.

[CosmicNoodle]

America is a ticking time bomb in my opinion. They seems to have a tendency to simply dismiss everything and use the "We are America, end of bitches" attitude. I fear this will be there downfall, shame too as I one day hope to move there.

It will remain on of the super powers, it will slowly become more and more corrupt and eventually stop working as one government and crack under its own weight. That's my theory. Your states never seem o want to work together, they all seem to want to go there own way about everything. I though since it was Abricam Lincon of all people that said "A house divided, can not stand" you of all country's would have a decent politics system.

If not that then a huge world war....that sounds more interesting....

[Camazotz]

Every country will end eventually. I don't think the US is going anywhere any time soon.

[CosmicNoodle]

Imnnot talking in the next few years, I'm talking hundreds, I know all will end, I am simply speculating on HOW, not WHEN.
However when it will end is also an interesting question.

[sqishy]

Yes, it's always a when, not an if. Either it ends by slowly evolving into something else, or it disintegrates or gets integreated by something larger. Nothing lasts forever, certainly not with the US. Things can happen faster than we expect (and slower too).

[tovaris]

Its alredy not The world power, and needs artifitialy induced outside war to keep itself ner the top, and its people in am 1984 like state

[Living For Love]

Hopefully not.

[Blood]

America will have fallen by the end of the century.

Why do you think that?

[Gamma Male]

Yes, although I believe the threat will most likely be internal.

[Miserabilia]

"america"?
I'm not sure.
I don't think there's such a thing as the american empire, (I mean I know there's not but not in the way the roman's or other great empires had).
If there were something to fall it would be western society all together,
not just america;
I do think the united states will play a part in it though.
Even though there is relatively less war at the moment,
and we want to preserve peace,
it's undeniable that in this day and age it's much MUCH easier to start a war or civil war; communication and technology and weapons have all improved so much and still are improving, etc.

[Capto]

it's undeniable that in this day and age it's much MUCH easier to start a war or civil war; communication and technology and weapons have all improved so much and still are improving, etc.

Untrue.

It's so much more difficult to start any kind of a war given all the diplomatic entanglements, huge alliance blocs, and massive anti-war movements.

It's just easier to fight a war.

[Miserabilia]

Untrue.

It's so much more difficult to start any kind of a war given all the diplomatic entanglements, huge alliance blocs, and massive anti-war movements.

It's just easier to fight a war.

Conflicts are started easier because of communication speed.
Remember the arabian spring?
1000 years ago that would have taken decennia to spread far and set in, but with the communication and media of now it spread so quickly.
Ofcourse that's not really a war on it's own but a collection of civial war uprisings and conflicts.

[Cygnus]

Oh yes, the way of being of the average gringo has basically doomed the US, an economical crisis is gonna hit quite soon and it's gonna be HARD for those who have the terrible economic principles, which is a good amount of the population. It's gone and gone soon.

[Harry Smith]

I think America will fight like hell to try and stay at the top-that's clear. But every super-power has its day

[Miserabilia]

I think America will fight like hell to try and stay at the top-that's clear. But every super-power has its day

Super power as in?
Maybe militairy but definitly not economical for example.

[Harry Smith]

Super power as in?
Maybe militairy but definitly not economical for example.

Yeah, I'd argue that America is very much still an economic super-power, I know everyone loves to think their original, and claim that China own the US but they still have a vast amount of economic power.

You really shouldn't underestimate the US

[Miserabilia]

Yeah, I'd argue that America is very much still an economic super-power, I know everyone loves to think their original, and claim that China own the US but they still have a vast amount of economic power.

You really shouldn't underestimate the US

Vast is not super ;)
The thing is the US and basicly most western capitalist countries are pretty much far the tertiairy sector and they won't really experience any big economic growths in the future like industrializing countries do.

[Vlerchan]

Oh yes, the way of being of the average gringo has basically doomed the US, an economical crisis is gonna hit quite soon and it's gonna be HARD for those who have the terrible economic principles, which is a good amount of the population. It's gone and gone soon.
Would you mind:

Defining 'terrible economic principals', and then;
Explaining how this crisis is going to hit 'quite soon'? What's going to cause it specifically.

[Cygnus]

Would you mind:

Defining 'terrible economic principals', and then;
Explaining how this crisis is going to hit 'quite soon'? What's going to cause it specifically.

Let's see, when the average American gets a loan what does the person do with it? Buy a boat, or a car, or something to show off. What do they not do? Buy something that could make them profit. Do they plan on paying these debts? Not for long. You do realize that if you have $10 in your pocket and no debts you are already richer than 25% of americans, right? It's terrible. And the fact the average american is relying on the government to fix their problems meanwhile they sit there on their couches and not strive for a change isn't helping. The country debt is huge and there is no money that can pay for that, and then some americans want more war to make the debt bigger. Just like that too the US has basically single handedly brought paper money out of control. It used to be a representation of a quantity of gold that was somewhere, that isn't the case anymore and now it's based on faith, so the bubble of faith is gonna burst eventually, which will be quite soon. Also the banks still have terrible policies when loaning, the 2008 market crash was the perfect proof, and while some banks learnt a little, they still have terrible policies on that.

Now with that said, the US won't all of a sudden become an under developed country, nothing like that, but it won't be the world "superpower" and capitalist utopia people love.

[Canadian Dream]

Depending on government it could end in different ways. If government is eventually completely taken out, corporations will destroy the country and their people. If government stays America might still have a chance. A big thing is that if America falls many countries will fall with it because they rely on this superpower so much. One positive thing though would be that many wars could be prevented if America isn't there to start them.

[Vlerchan]

Unsustainability, etc.
Whilst I agree with the notion that banking regulation, and so banking practices, in the US are quite poor, I don't agree with the original assessment that debt-money economies are always unsustainable. Intelligent government intervention, particularily around monetary policy, can help to even out demand and supply, and thus combat bubbles, etc. If there's unsustainability it stems from capatalism itself, as opposed to practices within capitalism: to survive, capatalist economies must grow every single year, indefinitely, or face a crippling recession. Our massive consumer economies exist as a result if this: unnecessary spending keeps the world spinning.

And, a return to the gold-standard would wreck any economy that attempted it, if you are about to suggest that.

[Faolan]

It's extremely unlikely that the US will ever have another civil war, and even though people love their guns here, I doubt that America will fall in fire anytime soon. The split at the moment has to due with bipartisanship, but political ideologies aren't divided neatly by region, per se. The Northeast and California are on opposite sides of the country, but they both are democratic.

[PinkFloyd]

As much as I like this country for all the non political type of stuff, I am almost certain that the United States of America will fall. Our government is fucked so far up the butt that you can see the metal pole sticking out of its mouth and into the roof.

[Sir Suomi]

More than likely America eventually will dissolve into various regions that are held together due to social and economic similarities, i.e, you'd have (At best guess) Northwestern, Southwestern, Midwest, Southern, Northern, and Eastern regions all governing themselves, trading with each other. America is becoming more and more separated, and it's only a matter of time.

[phuckphace]

either balkanization or becoming the Brazil of North America seems the most likely outcome.