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Syvelocin
May 19th, 2014, 04:38 PM
Federal Judge Strikes Down Oregon's Gay Marriage Ban (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/05/19/oregon-gay-marriage_n_5352809.html)

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — A federal judge on Monday struck down Oregon's voter-approved ban on gay marriage, saying it is unconstitutional.

U.S. District Judge Michael McShane said the ban unconstitutionally discriminates against same-sex couples and ordered the state not to enforce it. State officials earlier refused to defend the constitutional ban in court.

McShane joined judges in seven other states who have struck down gay marriage bans, though appeals are underway.

Oregon state officials have said they'd be prepared to carry out same-sex marriages almost immediately, and couples lined up outside the county clerk's office in Portland in anticipation of the McShane's decision.

Laurie Brown and Julie Engbloom arrived early Monday at the Multnomah County Building to form the line for marriage licenses. The two have been a couple for 10 years. Engbloom proposed in April, when they celebrated their anniversary by climbing Smith Rock in Central Oregon.

"We always knew we wanted to spend our whole life together," Brown said. "This opportunity has come, it feels right, everything has fallen into place."

Four gay and lesbian couples brought the Oregon cases, arguing the state's marriage laws unconstitutionally discriminate against them and exclude them from a fundamental right to marriage.

Democratic Attorney General Ellen Rosenblum refused to defend the ban, saying there are no legal arguments that could support it in light of decisions last year by the U.S. Supreme Court. She sided with the couples, asking the judge to overturn the ban, and says she won't appeal.

The judge denied a request by the National Organization for Marriage to defend the law on behalf of its Oregon members. A panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals on Monday refused the group's request for an emergency stay of that decision, allowing same-sex marriages to proceed.

Gay rights groups previously said they've collected enough signatures to force a statewide vote on gay marriage in November. But they said they would discard the signatures and drop their campaign if the court rules in their favor by May 23.

The U.S. Supreme Court last year struck down the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act, which barred the federal government from recognizing same-sex marriage. It determined the law improperly deprived gay couples of due process.

In addition to Oregon, federal or state judges in Idaho, Oklahoma, Virginia, Michigan, Texas, Utah and Arkansas recently have found state same-sex marriage bans to be unconstitutional. Judges also have ordered Kentucky, Ohio and Tennessee to recognize same-sex marriages from other states.

But opposition remains stiff in many places. Critics note most states still do not allow gay marriage and that in most of those that do, it was the work of courts or legislatures, not the will of the people.

Oregon law has long prohibited same-sex marriage, and voters added the ban to the state constitution in 2004. The decision, approved by 57 percent of voters, came months after Multnomah County briefly issued marriage licenses to same-sex couples. Multnomah is the state's largest county and includes Portland.

About 3,000 gay couples were allowed to marry before a judge halted the practice. The Oregon Supreme Court later invalidated the marriages.

GUYS, I HEAR WEDDING BELLS OMG. SORRY I'M TYPING IN ALL CAPS, THERE'S NO OTHER WAY TO TYPE THIS. This is why I moved here, only to find such an unyieldingly blue state doesn't have gay marriage. But A YEAR LATER BOOM. I'm fucking crying.

PinkFloyd
May 19th, 2014, 04:52 PM
This is good news. I'm always happy when I hear this type of news. :)

Gamma Male
May 19th, 2014, 05:33 PM
They struck that shit down like the hammer of thor.

Lovelife090994
May 19th, 2014, 09:50 PM
I don't see how judges can do this. I don't see this going well at all given how many people oppose to it yet get bashed and ignored.

Typhlosion
May 19th, 2014, 10:23 PM
Not YOU Oregon, land of bears, hippies and my birthland :(

Say sorry to the homossexuals, now!

Gamma Male
May 19th, 2014, 10:31 PM
I don't see how judges can do this. I don't see this going well at all given how many people oppose to it yet get bashed and ignored.

We live in a constitutional democracy. And contrary to popular belief, the will of voters does not supercede the constitution.

Lovelife090994
May 20th, 2014, 12:06 AM
We live in a constitutional democracy. And contrary to popular belief, the will of voters does not supercede the constitution.

We live in a Federal Republic with a House and Senate. Rights not governed by the federal government is left to the states. State laws are left to opinions and votes of its people be they majority or not.

Gamma Male
May 20th, 2014, 12:23 AM
We live in a Federal Republic with a House and Senate. Rights not governed by the federal government is left to the states. State laws are left to opinions and votes of its people be they majority or not.

Yes, and the judges ruled that the gay marriage ban was unconstitutional. Against the US constitution.

Lovelife090994
May 20th, 2014, 02:32 AM
Yes, and the judges ruled that the gay marriage ban was unconstitutional. Against the US constitution.

But it wasn't unconstitutional before. The people voted against it. It is a state issue so it was deemed illegal. How can a judge overturn the will of the people?

Gamma Male
May 20th, 2014, 02:44 AM
But it wasn't unconstitutional before. The people voted against it. It is a state issue so it was deemed illegal. How can a judge overturn the will of the people?

Yes it was, it's always been unconstitutional. A judge has every right to overturn the will of the people if the will of the people is discriminatory against a minority group. That's one of the reasons the constitution is there.

Lovelife090994
May 20th, 2014, 02:53 AM
Yes it was, it's always been unconstitutional. A judge has every right to overturn the will of the people if the will of the people is discriminatory against a minority group. That's one of the reasons the constitution is there.

That is partially true. But what will you do to the people who don't agree after this is pushed nationwide? The religious groups and LGBT butt heads eveyday. Soon blood will spilt if this keeps up. The will of the people has been ignored. True the law can help with social issues but these issues always bring trouble.

Gamma Male
May 20th, 2014, 03:58 AM
That is partially true. But what will you do to the people who don't agree after this is pushed nationwide? The religious groups and LGBT butt heads eveyday. Soon blood will spilt if this keeps up. The will of the people has been ignored. True the law can help with social issues but these issues always bring trouble.

Studies show that the majority of Americans support same sex marriage. Also, I seriously doubt blood will be spilt over gay marriage anytime soon. That seems like a bit of an exaggeration. It's not as if civil war is going to break out because a minority group finally get the rights they deserve. Gay marriage in no way affects the rights of those who oppose it.

Lovelife090994
May 20th, 2014, 04:18 AM
Studies show that the majority of Americans support same sex marriage. Also, I seriously doubt blood will be spilt over gay marriage anytime soon. That seems like a bit of an exaggeration. It's not as if civil war is going to break out because a minority group finally get the rights they deserve. Gay marriage in no way affects the rights of those who oppose it.


And you're sure about that? Most people oppose it. It can't be both ways. In some states a majority support it. Where the ideas are overturned, not so much I.e. TN, MS, LA, OR.

DerBear
May 20th, 2014, 07:26 AM
This is good news. I'm always happy when I hear this type of news. :)

My thoughts exactly :D

Syvelocin
May 20th, 2014, 03:53 PM
And you're sure about that? Most people oppose it. It can't be both ways. In some states a majority support it. Where the ideas are overturned, not so much I.e. TN, MS, LA, OR.

Lol, one of these states is not like the other. I live in the most gay-friendly town I have ever experienced, and luckily for democrats Oregon's most populated cities are also its most liberal. I volunteered a bit with Oregon United for Marriage and we collected more than enough of the required signatures to get on the ballot. Oregon polls have been showing for years that the majority of voters want gay marriage legalized. Specifically this month, the polls showed 58% were in favour and 36% were opposed. Ballot 36 was ten years ago, plenty of time for Oregonians to change their minds on the subject.

Lovelife090994
May 20th, 2014, 03:56 PM
I live in the most gay-friendly town I have ever experienced, and luckily for democrats Oregon's most populated cities are also its most liberal. I volunteered a bit with Oregon United for Marriage and we collected more than enough of the required signatures to get on the ballot. Oregon polls have been showing for years that the majority of voters want gay marriage legalized. Specifically this month, the polls showed 58% were in favour and 36% were opposed. Ballot 36 was ten years ago, plenty of time for Oregonians to change their minds on the subject.

What of other states like California who voted against it? And what is with the liberal city idea?

Syvelocin
May 20th, 2014, 04:43 PM
What of other states like California who voted against it? And what is with the liberal city idea?

I mean that Oregon's conservative areas are its least populated. Willamette Valley is extremely liberal and holds most of Oregon's population, Portland, Salem, Eugene, etc. And I have no idea what you mean with CA, I've only lived in OR like eleven months. I'm not the one to argue US politics with lol.

Lovelife090994
May 20th, 2014, 04:46 PM
I mean that Oregon's conservative areas are its least populated. Willamette Valley is extremely liberal and holds most of Oregon's population, Portland, Salem, Eugene, etc. And I have no idea what you mean with CA, I've only lived in OR like eleven months. I'm not the one to argue US politics with lol.

No, I'm asking. I don't know either. I still don't see nationwide Rainbow Rights happenning just now but maybe in five years. I know many won't be happy. I say Rainbow Rights to include more than just GTBL rights.

Vlerchan
May 20th, 2014, 05:43 PM
We live in a constitutional democracy. And contrary to popular belief, the will of voters does not supercede the constitution.
Ireland is also a constitutional democracy, but we are capable of changing the constitution through referenda.

Is this not possible in the US?

Gamma Male
May 20th, 2014, 07:00 PM
Ireland is also a constitutional democracy, but we are capable of changing the constitution through referenda.

Is this not possible in the US?

Sorry, I should've been more clear. Yes the US constitution can and has been changed several times. But only through the proper channels. And until the constitution is changed, laws that are deemed unconstitutional cannot exist, voter approved or not. So while the constitution is more powerful than voter approved laws, it can be changed.(though I'm not exactly sure how. -_- I'm not a political lawyer, I'm a 14 year old highschool student) So the mere fact that a law that defys the constitution is voter approved does not automatically change the constitution to fit the law. See what I mean? Neither do I.