Not satire, white guys apologize for being white !??

[Allbutanillusion]

Extraordinarily ridiculous. This is beyond stupid, so because someone happens to be born a white male we somehow owe minorities/ people of other ethnicity something? Just more anti-white propaganda !

I’m supposed to apologize for being born a certain way? Are you going to apologize for being born black? Are you going to apologize for being born Hispanic, Chinese, Native American, Japanese or any other race/ethnic group? I’m not going to apologize for being white, and I’m not going to apologize for being a male.

But isn’t it racist to condemn an entire group based on color? And what’s even more amazing: This is coming out of the university systems that are trying to teach us how to be tolerant. What’s more amazing is this is more than just racism. It’s also sexism and gender bashing. All three of those things are constantly being lectured to as being bad. But for some reason in today society it totally acceptable when applied to white males.., Huh..., interesting,.... Again, Just more anti-white propaganda !


White Guys Apologize For Being White (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9f6_1399588813)

[Babiole]

I'm a white male too. I see where you're coming from. It's hard to fight anti-white racism because we might get mistaken for white supremacists. I don't think it makes sense to apologize for what race you're born. The thing is, when you're a member of the privileged group, people will assume that your are privileged. Then again, race relations are a very touchy subject.

[Plane And Simple]

People are just turning the racism thing the other way around... I hate this. Equality, gentleman

[Gamma Male]

Yeah, this is pretty stupid. It's like when feminists blame all the worlds problems on men and act like women are better.

Aren't yall supposed to be for equality?

[Deiform]

True. You see a lot of racism in movies and tv aimed at white people. It is viewed a lot of times as comedy to be racist against white people, but absolutely wrong against any other race. The same thing with gender. I wrote a blog post about sexism against men. I cant believe it is 2014 and we are still dealing with these problems. We keep just moving the problem around with a mop instead of cleaning the problem up.

[Allbutanillusion]

True. You see a lot of racism in movies and tv aimed at white people. It is viewed a lot of times as comedy to be racist against white people, but absolutely wrong against any other race.

To address your observation about racism towards whites in movies and T.V. I have to say unfortunately I have made the same observation. As I was implying in my initial post, and what ChocolateGamer is stating is that there is societal hypocrisy toward racism. If it is at the expense of white.. or specifically white males then it totally acceptable.

If any other race was to be portrayed the same way in T.V and movies, that white are now days, I can guarantee that there would be an global outcry, but us white when we are portrayed to in a demeaning way or referred to in a derogatory way..., we are expected to "bend over and take it", so to speak, and if we complain we are referred to as white supremacists.

[phuckphace]

I think a white guy with a lot of money should get up and tell slavery/Holocaust jokes UNIRONICALLY and then sit back and let the outcry make the point for him.

great thread OP.

[Camazotz]

I'm a white male. I haven't suffered racism once in my entire life, and I'm not going to pretend that I'm a victim in any way. I've been fortunate to be born in a nuclear family with enough money to afford things that lower-class people cannot.

This "I'm white and therefore a victim of reverse-racism" is exaggerated and overdrawn. You don't have to feel bad for being white, but you don't have to complain about being discriminated against either.

[phuckphace]

I'm a white male. I haven't suffered racism once in my entire life, and I'm not going to pretend that I'm a victim in any way. I've been fortunate to be born in a nuclear family with enough money to afford things that lower-class people cannot.

This "I'm white and therefore a victim of reverse-racism" is exaggerated and overdrawn. You don't have to feel bad for being white, but you don't have to complain about being discriminated against either.

I think there's a clear difference between calling out race-related hypocrisy (i.e. Jews are allowed to poke fun at whites but whites can't make movies or do stand-up comedies about the Holocaust) and having a "victim complex."

[Typhlosion]

What the hell...???

I like the description though.

"NO!! You are not white MEN!! You are a bunch of PATHEIC limp wristed Liberal white BOYS that suffer from white guilt, they should have their BOY CARDS taken away from them..then they should hang their own selves!"

[Allbutanillusion]

I'm a white male. I haven't suffered racism once in my entire life, and I'm not going to pretend that I'm a victim in any way. I've been fortunate to be born in a nuclear family with enough money to afford things that lower-class people cannot.

This kind is of comical, a little egotistical and a little ignorant. Just because "YOU" don't experience something first hand does not mean that it does not exist. That is just stupid.. I have never been in a car accident but by your reasoning thus car accidents don't exist because it did not happen to me personally. Secondly, I am not sure I see the relevance of the second part of your statement. To me it just sounds like an arrogant person bragging about themselves to compensate for a small penis/micro-penis.

This "I'm white and therefore a victim of reverse-racism" is exaggerated and overdrawn.

Exaggerated and overdrawn!?? Really, I don't think so, because when there is a racist comment, action, hate crime against whites, it receives very little coverage, if any at all in the mainstream media. I think part of it is that white people to play the race card as constantly as other races, partly because they don't have that luxury. Other races do have that luxury, and have mastered abusing the playing of the race card. Here how it is done by other races....

If they don't get a job, it's racism. It's never that they weren't qualified.

If they get stopped by the cops, it's racism. It's never the fact that they were speeding, driving recklessly, had a broken tail light or some other traffic infraction.

Get arrested, it's racism. It's never that they had a gun without a permit, or that they were trespassing, or shoplifting, or whatever they may have been arrested for.


You don't have to feel bad for being white, but you don't have to complain about being discriminated against either

I would agree that you definitely don't have to feel bad or ashamed of being white. However, white people need to complain more, if one doesn't challenge or reveal injustices that are occurring, those injustices will just continue to occur, usually increasing/multiplying, because the perpetrators know that they can get away with it with out any repercussions.


Some examples of societal hypocrisy of white racism or in other words..,society is definitely tolerate of racism towards whites. Please Take a look ..........

Black NBA Owner Holds “BLACKS ONLY PARTIES, NO WHITES ALLOWED (http://madworldnews.com/black-nba-owner-holds-blacks-parties-whites-allowed/)”



here are a few more,




Black activists and politicians force Trader Joe’s grocery out: Claim it would attract too many whites (http://benswann.com/black-activitists-and-politicians-force-trader-joes-grocery-out-claim-it-would-attract-too-many-whites/)



Trader Joe’s Need Not Apply: Would Attract Too Many Whites (http://www.thenewamerican.com/economy/commentary/item/17633-trader-joe-s-need-not-apply-would-attract-too-many-whites)




Black Student Beats White – No Hate Crime (http://www.mrconservative.com/2014/04/39899-black-student-beats-white-no-hate-crime/)

[Camazotz]

I think there's a clear difference between calling out race-related hypocrisy (i.e. Jews are allowed to poke fun at whites but whites can't make movies or do stand-up comedies about the Holocaust) and having a "victim complex."

They can and they do. Gilbert Gotfried? Don Rickles?

This kind is of comical, a little egotistical and a little ignorant. Just because "YOU" don't experience something first hand does not mean that it does not exist. That is just stupid.. I have never been in a car accident but by your reasoning thus car accidents don't exist because it did not happen to me personally. Secondly, I am not sure I see the relevance of the second part of your statement. To me it just sounds like an arrogant person bragging about themselves to compensate for a small penis/micro-penis.

Umm, no. Poverty rates (http://kff.org/other/state-indicator/poverty-rate-by-raceethnicity/) are extremely biased against blacks. Blacks have gone through more racism in the past six decades than whites have in the entire history of whites in North America.

Your analogies are completely irrelevant, just as my personal anecdote was. I was trying to get you to be grateful for what you have: internet access, food, a computer, etc. Car accidents happen and racism happens. But racism happens much more frequently to non-whites than whites. And no, you can ask anyone here if I'm arrogant or "proud"; I'm thankful. I appreciate the things I have, and I'm not going to whine about how bad my life is compared to others.

Exaggerated and overdrawn!?? Really, I don't think so, because when there is a racist comment, action, hate crime against whites, it receives very little, coverage, if any at all, in the mainstream media. I think part of it is that white people to play the race card as constantly as other races, partly because they don't have that luxury. Other races do have that luxury, and have mastered abusing the playing of the race card. Here how it is done by other races....

If they don't get a job, it's racism. It's never that they weren't qualified.

If they get stopped by the cops, it's racism. It's never the fact that they were speeding, driving recklessly, had a broken tail light or some other traffic infraction.

Get arrested, it's racism. It's never that they had a gun without a permit, or that they were trespassing, or shoplifting, or whatever they may have been arrested for.

Okay, so you have a problem with media portrayal of current events. That's fine. I seriously doubt that it's a societal/culture paradigm that's "anti-white." Again, all of these examples are anecdotal and are not representative of the actual percentages of the number of occurrences that racial discrimination occurs.

But your side is so extreme that it seems like you deny that profiling (airports, pull-overs, etc.) happens. Your side (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1390205/Whites-suffer-racism-blacks-Study-shows-white-people-believe-discriminated-against.html#ixzz2L8RhWx00) is completely overblown. Whites do not face nearly the same amount of discrimination that non-whites do.

I would agree that you definitely don't have to feel bad or ashamed of being white. However, white people need to complain more, if one doesn't challenge or reveal injustices that are occurring, those injustices will just continue to occur, usually increasing/multiplying, because the perpetrators know that they can get away with it with out any repercussions.

No. No we don't. We have enough of people like you complaining about racism against whites. There are no real injustices occurring. I know exactly what you're saying and I agree with the message (speaking out against injustices), but there's absolutely no evidence to support your claim. There's no problem, which is why it's not "getting worse."

GxenmFuNxjI

Quick question regarding the links you gave me, don't answer if you're not comfortable: Do you get most of your news/statistics from self-labeled "Conservative" websites?

[Cygnus]

Since this is taking the shape of a debate. Please have a healthy discussion.

The VT Daily Chronicle :arrow2: Ramblings of the Wise

[Allbutanillusion]

Camazotz, I just wanted to apologize for taking a somewhat aggressive tone and somewhat rude/disrespectful to you(perhaps you don't feel that I was) in my last post. That is not typically of my behavior .., I generally don't have a problem with people having a different opinion on a subject. I usually am more indifferent towards other people's opinion/views. There is definitely a difference of opinion on this subject. I realize that some are going to agree with me and some may choose to simply disagree regardless of how overwhelming the evidence is.

[Camazotz]

Camazotz, I just wanted to apologize for taking a somewhat aggressive tone and somewhat rude/disrespectful to you(perhaps you don't feel that I was) in my last post. That is not typically of my behavior .., I generally don't have a problem with people having a different opinion on a subject. I usually am more indifferent towards other people's opinion/views. There is definitely a difference of opinion on this subject. I realize that some are going to agree with me and some may choose to simply disagree regardless of how overwhelming the evidence is.

No problem. I'd be interested if you have more than anecdotal evidence.

[Stryker125]

Blacks, women, and pretty much any other marginalized (?) group we're talking about can be just prejudiced, bigoted, ignorant, and just all around the worst, without a doubt. But reverse racism/sexism (or any other form of oppression) does not exist. No one holds political, social, economic or institutional power over straight white males. Sure jokes about white people are mean, yes, saying a white ppl joke is mean and might hurt your feelings, but it does not uphold a historic system of prejudice at white people’s expense. comparing the two as “no better than the other” is ignorant to the history that poc have had to go through and still go through to this day, especially when these jokes are almost exclusively found only on the internet


“When people with privilege hear that they have privilege, what they hear is not, “Our society is structured so that your life is more valued than others.” They hear, “Everything, no matter what, will be handed to you. You have done nothing to achieve what you have.” That’s not strictly true, and hardly anyone who points out another’s privilege is making that accusation. There are privileged people who work very hard. The privilege they experience is the absence of barriers that exist for other people.”

[Vlerchan]

Whilst I'm not interested in the topic at hand:
It's like when feminists blame all the worlds problems on [patriarchy] and act like ['Feminine' Values] are better.
Fix'd. Because it's not the same thing.

[AgentHomo]

There's a lot more white straight male Christians have to apologize for than just being white straight make Christians. Sadly apologies are too late. Accept that they are not superior than us and legalize equality for EVERYONE! Equal rights is not unlimited, therefore to give equal rights, superior rights must be taken away.

[Babiole]

Blacks, women, and pretty much any other marginalized (?) group we're talking about can be just prejudiced, bigoted, ignorant, and just all around the worst, without a doubt. But reverse racism/sexism (or any other form of oppression) does not exist. No one holds political, social, economic or institutional power over straight white males. Sure jokes about white people are mean, yes, saying a white ppl joke is mean and might hurt your feelings, but it does not uphold a historic system of prejudice at white people’s expense. comparing the two as “no better than the other” is ignorant to the history that poc have had to go through and still go through to this day, especially when these jokes are almost exclusively found only on the internet


“When people with privilege hear that they have privilege, what they hear is not, “Our society is structured so that your life is more valued than others.” They hear, “Everything, no matter what, will be handed to you. You have done nothing to achieve what you have.” That’s not strictly true, and hardly anyone who points out another’s privilege is making that accusation. There are privileged people who work very hard. The privilege they experience is the absence of barriers that exist for other people.”

I would say that reverse racism does exist, since racism and other forms of discrimination are more than just pointy hoods, swastikas, and racist legislation. As Springhole explains here: http://www.springhole.net/writing/moreoffensivemistakes.htm Most racism is actually subtle. Any group of people can have a discriminatory comment hurled at them. Being from a marginalized group or a group that was a victim of persecution DOES NOT justify making discriminatory comments towards people from the privileged/oppressor group. I tell my North African friends who get called "bougnoules" (a racist term used to describe North Africans - I feel guilty typing it since I hate using racial slurs) not to make nasty comments at native Frenchmen because two wrongs don't make a right.

[Camazotz]

Blacks, women, and pretty much any other marginalized (?) group we're talking about can be just prejudiced, bigoted, ignorant, and just all around the worst, without a doubt. But reverse racism/sexism (or any other form of oppression) does not exist. No one holds political, social, economic or institutional power over straight white males. Sure jokes about white people are mean, yes, saying a white ppl joke is mean and might hurt your feelings, but it does not uphold a historic system of prejudice at white people’s expense. comparing the two as “no better than the other” is ignorant to the history that poc have had to go through and still go through to this day, especially when these jokes are almost exclusively found only on the internet

When people with privilege hear that they have privilege, what they hear is not, “Our society is structured so that your life is more valued than others.” They hear, “Everything, no matter what, will be handed to you. You have done nothing to achieve what you have.” That’s not strictly true, and hardly anyone who points out another’s privilege is making that accusation. There are privileged people who work very hard. The privilege they experience is the absence of barriers that exist for other people.”

Yes, this is exactly my point. I love your answer. +Rep

Being from a marginalized group or a group that was a victim of persecution DOES NOT justify making discriminatory comments towards people from the privileged/oppressor group.

I agree with this statement, but the people from marginalized groups are still the victim of racism more than white males (at least in America). And I personally find it pathetic that they're trying to act like victims now that society is shifting from white-male dominated to more equal for everyone (which they claim is actually anti-white male).

[Gamma Male]

Whilst I'm not interested in the topic at hand:

Fix'd. Because it's not the same thing.

I fully support feminism, but you have to admit some of them are a little sexist themselves. Not all, but some.

[Vlerchan]

I fully support feminism, but you have to admit some of them are a little sexist themselves. Not all, but some.
The sexist ones aren't, by definition, feminists, regardless of how they might label themselves.

[Stryker125]

I would say that reverse racism does exist, since racism and other forms of discrimination are more than just pointy hoods, swastikas, and racist legislation. As Springhole explains here: http://www.springhole.net/writing/moreoffensivemistakes.htm Most racism is actually subtle. Any group of people can have a discriminatory comment hurled at them. Being from a marginalized group or a group that was a victim of persecution DOES NOT justify making discriminatory comments towards people from the privileged/oppressor group. I tell my North African friends who get called "bougnoules" (a racist term used to describe North Africans - I feel guilty typing it since I hate using racial slurs) not to make nasty comments at native Frenchmen because two wrongs don't make a right.

i think i may have been unclear, or you just missed my point. I didn't say that being from a marginalized group makes it okay to be an asshat. I said that reverse racism doesn't exist. Because no one holds social economic or institutional power over straight white men. anyone can be bigoted against anyone, there's no question about that. Racism is more than just hurt feelings.

[Allbutanillusion]

No problem. I'd be interested if you have more than anecdotal evidence.

I have decided to refrain from partaking overly in the conversation/debate. It was never really my intent to pursue a debate about the issue. I just was sharing this ridiculously absurd anti-white video ( which by the was, if it had been about any other race..it would have been called out as racist/racism) and get peoples reaction/responses to it.


I will say that I don't subscribe to the idea that whites can never be the victim of hateful, bigoted, prejudiced behavior (ex. hate crimes) only the perpetrators of it. As the some liberals like to espouse in their anti-white propaganda/doctrine. White people are only the oppressors and never...,NEVER the victim. Even though the articles(links) I shared earlier might indicate otherwise.


Black NBA Owner Holds “BLACKS ONLY PARTIES, NO WHITES ALLOWED" (http://madworldnews.com/black-nba-owner-holds-blacks-parties-whites-allowed/)


Black activists and politicians force Trader Joe’s grocery out: Claim it would attract too many whites (http://benswann.com/black-activitists-and-politicians-force-trader-joes-grocery-out-claim-it-would-attract-too-many-whites/)



I have been applying for employment(summer job) and this is what I was informed...

At one, after I went in for an interview, I was informed that I would not get the job because I was not Chinese/ Japanese.

At the second, I was informed that because I was not Native American I would not get the job.


If that had been any other race past over/denied a job position because of their race, people would be calling out the company as a racist company/racism but because I am white ...that doesn't apply to me according to some.

[Miserabilia]

i think i may have been unclear, or you just missed my point. I didn't say that being from a marginalized group makes it okay to be an asshat. I said that reverse racism doesn't exist. Because no one holds social economic or institutional power over straight white men. anyone can be bigoted against anyone, there's no question about that. Racism is more than just hurt feelings.

I said that reverse racism doesn't exist. Because no one holds social economic or institutional power over straight white men.

* reverse racism doesn't exist because THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS REVERSE RACISM.
If white people are discriminated in any way, that's racism.
There's no reverse.
#sorryforcaps

[Stryker125]

* reverse racism doesn't exist because THERE'S NO SUCH THING AS REVERSE RACISM.

or that. that works too.

[Miserabilia]

or that. that works too.

:lol:

[Vlerchan]

If white people are discriminated in any way, that's racism.
No, that's racial-discrimination.

In sociology, racism is defined as a system of group privilege: the institutionalized oppression of a racial group by another racial group through combined political- and economic-power. Because blacks, and other non-white racial groups in the US, don't hold major political- and economic-power as a group, racism against whites can't exist.

[Miserabilia]

No, that's racial-discrimination.

In sociology, racism is defined as a system of group privilege: the institutionalized oppression of a racial group by another racial group through combined political- and economic-power. Because blacks, and other non-white racial groups in the US, don't hold major political- and economic-power as a group, racism against whites can't exist.


rac·ism
[rey-siz-uhm]
noun
1.
a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
2.
a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
3.
hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.


Still pretty much racism, by definition, no?
I don't know about the sociological definition being different.

[Vlerchan]

a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
I'd call this racialism and not racism.

a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
This is a watered-down version of the definition I gave.

hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
I'd call this racial-based prejudice and not racism.

I don't know about the sociological definition being different.
In academic debate it's the generally definition that I gave which is used, and not the one you quoted.

[Camazotz]

I will say that I don't subscribe to the idea that whites can never be the victim of hateful, bigoted, prejudiced behavior (ex. hate crimes) only the perpetrators of it. As the some liberals like to espouse in their anti-white propaganda/doctrine. White people are only the oppressors and never...,NEVER the victim. Even though the articles(links) I shared earlier might indicate otherwise.

Again, that's anecdotal evidence fueled by political propaganda. Yes, there are occasional instances where a white male is a victim of discrimination, but it's not statistically significant compared to the many more instances of discrimination against a marginalized group; it only feels like reverse-racism because you may be experiencing actual discrimination for the first time.

Black NBA Owner Holds “BLACKS ONLY PARTIES, NO WHITES ALLOWED” (http://tellmenow.com/2014/05/nba-owner-threw-racist-party-with-only-blacks-allowed/)


Black activists and politicians force Trader Joe’s grocery out: Claim it would attract too many whites (http://benswann.com/black-activitists-and-politicians-force-trader-joes-grocery-out-claim-it-would-attract-too-many-whites/)

It must be a coincidence that both of your sources are conservatively biased rather than the primary sources themselves. As you can see (http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2014/02/portland_african_american_lead_1.html), the community in Portland did not want the Trader Joe's in their neighborhood because they had been asking for low, affordable housing on that lot for years before Trader Joe's even planned to set up a business in that location. When the community voiced their concerns and told the company that they would not shop there because they wanted to be listened to, Trader Joe's gladly stepped aside because there would be no profits for them.

As for the first story, I couldn't find a single piece of actual journalism on the subject. Everything I found is copying the same story you cited, which is obviously biased and has absolutely no factual evidence, but instead promotes their "whites are victims" propaganda. Even assuming the story is true, Jay-Z held a private function, meaning he can invite whoever he wants to. He's not telling people "I don't want you to broadcast yourself with white people," he simply chose the attendees of his private function. You're not going to invite random people to your wedding just to fulfill a racial quota.

I have been applying for employment(summer job) and this is what I was informed...

At one, after I went in for an interview, I was informed that I would not get the job because I was not Chinese/Japanese.

At the second, I was informed that because I was not Native American I would not get the job.

If that had been any other race past over/denied a job position because of their race, people would be calling out the company as a racist company/racism but because I am white...that doesn't apply to me according to some.

Affirmative action is in place to allow people with socio-economic disadvantages a fairer chance to be employed. You may or may not agree with this (we all know you don't), which is a valid argument to have. But again, you're claiming that whites are strongly discriminated against, which isn't the case; you weren't employed because they chose to give the less advantaged people a chance.

I highly doubt that those two employers told you, "You're white and not this specific race, therefore we won't hire you." I bet if you called them for an official reason, it'd be a legally justifiable reason.

[Allbutanillusion]

First of all some of my questions are rhetorical A rhetorical question, is posed not to elicit a specific answer, but rather to encourage the listener to consider a message or viewpoint. I hastily made a mistake of composing what should have been two separate replies/post into one. A greater potion of my reply was meant for other viewers who are more open minded and not biased toward an liberal-left-wing side. May I point out I never have completely disagreed with you because I there are some truth in some of what you say.


Yes, there are occasional instances where a white male is a victim of discrimination

Good...., we agree that white people do receive bigoted, hateful, discriminatory behavior from other races.




Jay-Z held a private function, meaning he can invite whoever he wants to. He's not telling people "I don't want you to broadcast yourself with white people," he simply chose the attendees of his private function. You're not going to invite random people to your wedding just to fulfill a racial quota.


I would agree with the Jay-Z story, in that I was not trying to display racism or claim that it was racist even though that is how the story was written. I was more attempting to show the double standards that society has and how the race card is played. I think that it is same to assume(well, you have done a lot of assuming) if this story involve a white celebrate perpetuating the same behavior that this story would be in all of the national mainstream media. An rational, reasonable person will recognize that.



you're claiming that whites are strongly discriminated against, which isn't the case; you weren't employed because they chose to give the less advantaged people a chance. Not discrimination huh? lets look .....

discrimination;
prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or sex.

synonyms: prejudice, bias, bigotry, intolerance, narrow-mindedness, unfairness, inequity, favoritism, one-sidedness, partisanship;
sexism, chauvinism, misogyny, racism, racialism, anti-Semitism, heterosexism, ageism, classism, casteism;historical apartheid"racial discrimination"


I highly doubt that those two employers told you, "You're white and not this specific race, therefore we won't hire you." I bet if you called them for an official reason, it'd be a legally justifiable reason.

Careful.., your assuming again. No the employer did not say that directly to my face. Reliable inside sources at the company disclosed to me that I was the far qualified/superior candidate for the job, but because I was white I was not hired. Be Careful at how you respond, if you choose to.

I wanted to state that I feel that I have been portrayed a certain way in this thread/discussion... partially, unintentionally by myself, that is simply untrue. I don't mid helping people, I volunteer at the Hope Heart Institute (http://www.hopeheart.org/) and I have friends of different races.

However as Babiole similarly stated ..., speak up for whites and you might get mistaken for a white supremacist. And I think some may have prematurely, unfairly come to the conclusion that I am a white supremacist:eek:, when I am not. I share this because it does bother me that some of you may think that.:(

My original intention was to share the ridiculousness of a video( in the OP) I think any reasonably thinking white person will agree that we should not apologize or be ashamed of being white, similarly a black person should not apologize for being black, a Latino should not apologize for being Latino, on and on, etc.
Thank you

Please do not double post. -Cygnus David

[Camazotz]

First of all some of my questions are rhetorical A rhetorical question, is posed not to elicit a specific answer, but rather to encourage the listener to consider a message or viewpoint. I hastily made a mistake of composing what should have been two separate replies/post into one. A greater potion of my reply was meant for other viewers who are more open minded and not biased toward an liberal-left-wing side. May I point out I never have completely disagreed with you because I there are some truth in some of what you say.

Good...., we agree that white people do receive bigoted, hateful, discriminatory behavior from other races. What was your opinion about the OP video again?

The guys in are speaking on behalf of the entire straight, white males in America. They're not apologizing that they're white, they're apologizing for all the crap that straight, white males have done to marginalized groups in the past. That's exactly my argument, so I guess I agree with the video (it came off as a bit silly the way they made their points though). It's funny, looking back at your "I wasn't hired because I'm white" comment almost exactly matches up with their representation of your argument about 1:00 into the video.

I would agree with the Jay-Z story, in that I was not trying to display racism or claim that it was racist even though that is how the story was written. I was more attempting to show the double standards that society has and how the race card is played. I think that it is same to assume(well, you have done a lot of assuming) if this story involve a white celebrate perpetuating the same behavior that this story would be in all of the national mainstream media. An rational, reasonable person will recognize that.

I don't think there was any double standard in that story though. Jay-Z can invite whoever he wants to a private function (party); it's publically acceptable to invite/not invite people to a party as the host. Donald Sterling can't tell his girlfriend tell his girlfriend to "not publicly broadcast herself with black people" because he owns a professional sports team in a majority-black league. It hurt the reputation of the team, its players, and the league. The two events are not related at all.

Careful.., your assuming again. No the employer did not say that directly to my face. Reliable inside sources at the company disclosed to me that I was the far qualified/superior candidate for the job, but because I was white I was not hired. Be Careful at how you respond, if you choose to.

You're right, I was assuming. And I assume that you know someone else that works for the companies and feels that you were the most qualified because they're personally related to you (friends or family). So yes, your employer did not tell you that you weren't hired because you were white. It sounds like I'm right.

I wanted to state that I feel that I have been portrayed a certain way in this thread/discussion... partially, unintentionally by myself, that is simply untrue. I don't mid helping people, I volunteer at the Hope Heart Institute (http://www.hopeheart.org/) and I have friends of different races.

It's actually really funny that you said that, because the stereotypical racist's first response is: "I can't be racist. I have tons of black friends!" It's like you wanted to be perceived this way.

However as Babiole similarly stated ..., speak up for whites and you might get mistaken for a white supremacist. And I think some may have prematurely, unfairly come to the conclusion that I am a white supremacist:eek:, when I am not. I share this because it does bother me that some of you may think that.:(

Sorry that your beliefs come off as racist.

My original intention was to share the ridiculousness of a video( in the OP) I think any reasonably thinking white person will agree that we should not apologize or be ashamed of being white, similarly a black person should not apologize for being black, a Latino should not apologize for being Latino, on and on, etc.Thank you

Obviously no one should apologize for the way they were born, and obviously no one should judge others for the way they were born. But your original intention was filled with tons of subtle racist undertones.

Furthermore, your passive-aggressive remarks to me have not gone unnoticed. I forgive you for that because you obviously feel very strongly about affirmative action and I'm disagreeing with you, but rather than enter this discussion civilly, you got very defensive and aggressive toward me and my arguments.

[Allbutanillusion]

Several of my last post's were posted hastily and perhaps lacked proofreading and thus clarification/clarity and confused people. I just want to address a couple issues however.

First in regards to;

I don't think there was any double standard in that story though. Jay-Z can invite whoever he wants to a private function (party); it's publically acceptable to invite/not invite people to a party as the host. Donald Sterling can't tell his girlfriend tell his girlfriend to "not publicly broadcast herself with black people" because he owns a professional sports team in a majority-black league. It hurt the reputation of the team, its players, and the league. The two events are not related at all.

I was not relating the two separate events in the article as Camazotz seems to imply that I was. Where as I agree, it's publically acceptable to invite/not invite people to a party. I was speaking hypothetically , that if a white celebrity conducted themselves/the party in the same manner as Jay-Z did that it would be mainstream media as racist and I think everyone in America know's that( if you follow current events/the news often) For example, If Justin Bieber had a exclusive party at high end club, and turned away black, hispanic, etc..., people other than white people away, it would be in the mainstream media, reported as racism/racist and there would be an all out effort to crucify him(his career) . That is the double standard/hypocrisy that I speak of.


You're right, I was assuming. And I assume that you know someone else that works for the companies and feels that you were the most qualified because they're personally related to you (friends or family). So yes, your employer did not tell you that you weren't hired because you were white. It sounds like I'm right.


In regards to my experiences, Camazotz got it wrong once again. The people who disclosed to me that I was not selected for the job because I was white were not relatives or even friends. Just some people(supervisor/ on the interview panel) who have felt that I had been cheated out of a job despite my superior intellect/ skillset and felt that it was wrong.


With that being said, I am content in letting this discussion/topic fade in oblivion.

[Babs]

No one asked any of you to apologize so why are you fussy?
No, white people don't "owe" minorities anything, per se. No one said that. As a white person, I have never experienced racism and I never will. why? because i'm white. there is no such thing as reverse-racism. in theory, sure, in reality, not so much.
Everyone cries about reverse-racism whenever a person of color is angry at white people (you know, for being kinda shitty for the last several centuries) but they have every right to. racism no longer takes the form of segregation or slavery, but it's something that affects their everyday lives. you know, with black women making on average of 46% less than a white man, institutionalized racism. you will never experience the racism that people of color face everyday. stop allowing yourself to feel victimized when you live in a country where your life WILL be easier for a white person. (before you say it, i'm not saying all white people's lives are perfect.)
This being said, this is all I will post to the thread.

[Lovelife090994]

No one asked any of you to apologize so why are you fussy?
No, white people don't "owe" minorities anything, per se. No one said that. As a white person, I have never experienced racism and I never will. why? because i'm white. there is no such thing as reverse-racism. in theory, sure, in reality, not so much.
Everyone cries about reverse-racism whenever a person of color is angry at white people (you know, for being kinda shitty for the last several centuries) but they have every right to. racism no longer takes the form of segregation or slavery, but it's something that affects their everyday lives. you know, with black women making on average of 46% less than a white man, institutionalized racism. you will never experience the racism that people of color face everyday. stop allowing yourself to feel victimized when you live in a country where your life WILL be easier for a white person. (before you say it, i'm not saying all white people's lives are perfect.)

The pay difference is scary. Also, you are right. As an African American male I have been wrongly judged and called all but a child of God to my face. While I blame no one, you can't ignore what happened in the past. I do not think White people owe me anything, but I don't think we should ignore the history or salaries either.