Gay Adoption

[Gamma Male]

So, what about it? Should gay couples be allowed to adopt children or are they better off floating around foster homes until they turn 18 at which point they're on their own with no family, and with higher risks of drug addiction and going to prison?


Tough choice, am I right?

[Miserabilia]

Well obviously they should be able to adopt,
because of the reasons you stated.
The foster system is simply not good for children mentally,
and if gay people want a kid adoption is a good answer.
I see no reason why gay people couldn't raise a child.

[britishboy]

Yes but with the same restrictions as normal families that foster and let the child have the ability to say no if they don't feel comfortable.

[Green Arrow]

Of course, just look at this chart it clearly shows that the majority of adoptions are actually same sex couples. A family is a family, end of story.

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[Blood]

Gay couples should absolutely be allowed to adopt.

[Luminous]

Of course gay people should be able to adopt. I may be a bit biased though.
But seriously, these kids just want a family. I'm sure there are very few kids who would turn down a family just because there are two moms or two dads, so why should the adults handling the adoption turn them down? It's just not fair.

[Sanctum]

let's say i'm adopted by a gay couple,
should i call them mommy and mommy or daddy and daddy? it's hilarious
and what if the infant grows up and is not consent to have gay parents [!?] ?
and do gay couples even need any children?

[Harry Smith]

let's say i'm adopted by a gay couple,
should i call them mommy and mommy or daddy and daddy? it's hilarious
and what if the infant grows up and is not consent to have gay parents [!?] ?
and do gay couples even need any children?

It's not really-you just have two dads or two mums. Or you can do what some adopted kids do call them buy their names,

And yes, do straight people even need children?

[saea97]

what if the infant grows up and is not consent to have gay parents [!?] ?

I find it unlikely that said gay parents (who have faced much adversity for the right to adopt) would raise their children to be so irrationally bigoted. At no point did I "consent" to having two straight parents, by the way.

[Luminous]

let's say i'm adopted by a gay couple,
should i call them mommy and mommy or daddy and daddy? it's hilarious
and what if the infant grows up and is not consent to have gay parent [!?] ?
and do gay couples even need any children?

I don't think you're presenting a very good argument here. You call the parents whatever. Mommy and mom. Mimi and mama. Daddy and poppa. Their first names, even. If they're adopted as infants, then they will grow up calling them whatever they want.
If an infant is adopted by a gay couple, they will consider it normal as it is the life they have lived. I'm gay, and I grew up thinking straight was okay because I have a mom and a dad.
Gay couples don't 'need' children, but straight couples don't either, (or couples that aren't necessarily straight or gay because of different identities). Before I even knew what it meant to be gay, before I was old enough to experience attraction, I knew I wanted children. That didn't change when I realized I was attracted to the same sex. Gay couples just want to be normal families. We don't want to be Gay Couples, we just want to be people.

[Miserabilia]

let's say i'm adopted by a gay couple,
should i call them mommy and mommy or daddy and daddy? it's hilarious
and what if the infant grows up and is not consent to have gay parents [!?] ?
and do gay couples even need any children?

You call them whatever you want.
Also, really?
Is this your issue with adoption for them? What they should be called?

and what if the infant grows up and is not consent to have gay parents
What do you mean?
That hey grow up and suddenly realize they dislike their parents who rased them their entire lives juste because they are gay?

and do gay couples even need any children?

I don't know, do straight people?
If they want children, why deny them?

[Gamma Male]

let's say i'm adopted by a gay couple,
1should i call them mommy and mommy or daddy and daddy? it's hilarious
and 2what if the infant grows up and is not consent to have gay parents [!?] ?
and 3do gay couples even need any children?

1 This is very minor, trivial issue and I don't really feel the need to respond to it.
2 Unless they're just really bad/ abusive parents, I seriously doubt this would ever happen. Why would a child suddenly say, after being raised by two parents all his life, that he doesn't want them anymore?
3 Do straight couples need to adopt children?

[Hollywood]

I can't believe this is even a question anymore. I was raised by straight parents and they both fucked me over, so I don't see how straight parents are any more deserving of children than gays. I would've much rather been raised by two loving mothers or fathers than a mother that stopped caring when I needed her the most and a father that didn't care to begin with. So many children need a home, it's ridiculous to deny a child a perfectly good home because the potential adoptive parents are gay.

[Sanctum]

but then the child will go to school and he will be called names by his school mates and will be mocked and scorned.

[Gamma Male]

but then the child will go to school and he will be called names by his school mates and will be mocked and scorned.

Depending on where he lives, yeah, possibly.

The solution to this isn't to ban gay people from adopting, but rather to change peoples attitudes toward homosexual parents. Should we stop interracial parents from having children? No, we should try to stomp out racist attitudes.


Besides, I'd rather be occasionally made fun of then live in foster care.

[Harry Smith]

but then the child will go to school and he will be called names by his school mates and will be mocked and scorned.

This happens no matter what, you don't have to have gay parents to be insulted/mocked at school.

[Sanctum]

This happens no matter what, you don't have to have gay parents to be insulted/mocked at school.

Yeah, but it's more likely to happen when you have homo parents, and then it will cause in depression of the child and then self-cut or even suicide! holy...

[Gamma Male]

Yeah, but it's more likely to happen when you have homo parents, and then it will cause in depression of the child and then self-cut or even suicide! holy...

Studies show that suicide/depression rates among children of gay parents are prettymuch the same as with straight ones.

[Living For Love]

We can change laws and forbidden people to mock homosexuals, but we can't change people's minds. Any children adopted by gay parents will always suffer some kind of bullying or discrimination.

Allowing gay couples to adopt children is not something like: "Okay, let's allow it and everyone's happy." No. There are so many issues related to it. Our society isn't ready for it yet, basically, but it will be one day, hopefully, just like some decades ago it would be inconceivable for a woman to vote, or for a black person to be president of a nation.

But yes: there's nothing better than a caring family who loves you no matter what. <3

I'm not saying I don't agree with gay adoption, I'm just saying that before gay adoption is allowed, there are many other things that need to be done first.

[Gamma Male]

We can change laws and forbidden people to mock homosexuals, but we can't change people's minds. Any children adopted by gay parents will always suffer some kind of bullying or discrimination.

Allowing gay couples to adopt children is not something like: "Okay, let's allow it and everyone's happy." No. There are so many issues related to it. Our society isn't ready for it yet, basically, but it will be one day, hopefully, just like some decades ago it would be inconceivable for a woman to vote, or for a black person to be president of a nation.

But yes: there's nothing better than a caring family who loves you no matter what. <3

I'm not saying I don't agree with gay adoption, I'm just saying that before gay adoption is allowed, there are many other things that need to be done first.

IMO, you're all turned around. After we make gay adoption easier, acceptance will follow. We have to normalize it and make it seem ordinary and then attitudes will change. Look at the black civil rights movement. It wasn't until after anti-discriminatory bills were passed that black rights really took off in popular culture, and racists were thhe minority.

[Living For Love]

IMO, you're all turned around. After we make gay adoption easier, acceptance will follow. We have to normalize it and make it seem ordinary and then attitudes will change. Look at the black civil rights movement. It wasn't until after anti-discriminatory bills were passed that black rights really took off in popular culture, and racists were thhe minority.

And how long do you think that will take?

[Gamma Male]

And how long do you think that will take?

I don't know, a couple decades give or take? There will always be homophobic views, just like there will always be racist views. But they are steadily decreasing, and they will continue to decrease if gay marriage and adoption are normalized and legislated and people keep speaking out against such views. Bigotry doesn't just go away on it's own, it's takes people and lawmakers to fight against it.

[Living For Love]

I don't know, a couple decades give or take? There will always be homophobic views, just like there will always be racist views. But they are steadily decreasing, and they will continue to decrease if gay marriage and adoption are normalized and legislated and people keep speaking out against such views. Bigotry doesn't just go away on it's own, it's takes people and lawmakers to fight against it.

Fair enough, then.

[Miserabilia]

but then the child will go to school and he will be called names by his school mates and will be mocked and scorned.

Yeah, but it's more likely to happen when you have homo parents, and then it will cause in depression of the child and then self-cut or even suicide! holy...

This is absolutely ridiculous.
Bullying kids are no reason to deny gay couples from adopting.
If anything, it's only a motivation to make the world more open minded towards homosexuals.
Supper homosexual couples adaption for awarenes! The bullying will actualy get less if they are allowed to adopt and this is seen more often, so kids will understand.
(If a kid is the only one they ever heard of having two fathers or mothers, they will bully; not if they already know about this)

Anyway,
if this is really your issue with homosexual adaoption,
I suggest doing to more obvious and easy solution;
spread awarenes of homosexual parents to kids.
If anything we should just try to stop bullying of them.

[Lovelife090994]

I think anyone able and law-abiding should be able to adopt. Sadly so many kids are not adopted and when they are regardless the couple they get into couple feuds and drama, but all families have drama. I think only those who won't do harm regardless of sexuality should be able to adopt granted they are able.

[Harry Smith]

Yeah, but it's more likely to happen when you have homo parents, and then it will cause in depression of the child and then self-cut or even suicide! holy...

Do you have any evidence for that? Homo is also a tad offence in the context your using it, have some respect as I've seen you demand in other threads.

But yeah your just sprouting pure rhetoric, it doesn't lead to depression or to self harm this is just you being homophobic

[Plasma]

What? Gays are people just the same. Should someone not be able to adopt because they like chocolate over vanilla?

[Vincent_Dat_Guy]

sexual preference shouldnt determine if u can adopt children or not

[chrisawesome]

The people who say no, should pull their heads out of their asses and get into the real world!!

[CosmicNoodle]

Yeah, but it's more likely to happen when you have homo parents, and then it will cause in depression of the child and then self-cut or even suicide! holy...

Wow, I'm all for freedom of speack but that really is just bigoted and homophobic. Not cool. Stupid.

I have two straight parents and I ended up depressed and have tried to kill myself. I know a guy with two dads and he's almost the most popular guy in the school, everyone likes him.

Your argument seems to think the the people around the child are as hateful as you are.

[Mob Boss]

let's say i'm adopted by a gay couple,
should i call them mommy and mommy or daddy and daddy? it's hilarious
and what if the infant grows up and is not consent to have gay parents [!?] ?
and do gay couples even need any children?

I didn't consent to have straight parents. I didn't consent to coming out of a woman's womb versus in a lab. Someone push me back in so I can be re-birthed somewhere I consent to. If they are good parents, what does it matter what they like? Sexuality is literally one of the most UNIMPORTANT things about a person. I have never asked my grandpa what he likes because I don't care. I just know he smokes a lot and has made me chop wood since i was like ten despite child labor laws. What I am getting at here is that isn't an important detail about a person, dude or dudette.
Secondly, do straight couples even need children? Do I even need a pet chinchilla? No, but I would fucking love one even though I am not a chinchilla myself. Don't hurt people with your words, brah.



Yes. yes, yes they should. I have read an article somewhere (if i find it, I will cite it. If not, suck it long and deep -_-) about this lesbian couple that adopted a boy and abused him. Of course, the entire article was riddled with undertones of homophobia. In the end, that was one couple, and I remember thinking how many straight couples that have adopted have done this exact same thing and it not be headline news? Not excusing it at all and my point doesn't even really pertain to the case. The point is, there are some bad seeds, whether straight or gay couples. But their sexuality need not be a determinant in whether people should be able to adopt. That is like as ridiculous as Arsenio Hall with his own talk show again :metal:

[Rocketsnail]

Well I think same-sex couples should be able to adopt kids. I at school have been looking into human rights as a class. One of the articles, article 16, talks about the right to marriage and family. Somewhere it also talks about the right to equality. So yeah, they should be treated the same way as straight couples. I think...

[Faolan]

Of course, just look at this chart it clearly shows that the majority of adoptions are actually same sex couples. A family is a family, end of story.

image (http://upw-prod-images.global.ssl.fastly.net/nugget/5355856227140934a2000011/attachments/AdoptionStateList-4803b1a7a15004ba36541f08fe3fd88a.png)

This is the best. Sums it up so perfectly.

[AbigailBM98]

the best environment for a child to grow up in is with a mum and a dad. it is not always possible for this to happen due to deaths and divorces however that doesn't mean we should encourage it. it is child abuse to intentionally deny a child the right to a mother and father as gay adoption does.

[Gamma Male]

the best environment for a child to grow up in is with a mum and a dad.
False. Studies have shown that children adopted by hetero couples and children adopted by gay couples have turned the same. With the same levels of drug use, crime, depression... etc
it is not always possible for this to happen due to deaths and divorces however that doesn't mean we should encourage it. it is child abuse to intentionally deny a child the right to a mother and father as gay adoption does.

You do realize that when a child has to be adopted, it usually means that their biological parents aren't around or aren't willing to take care of them, right? Are they better off in fostercare?

[Remora]

They're two perfectly normal humans raising a perfectly normal child, i don't see the point of even discussing this anymore. Homophobes are becoming extinct which is a good thing, meaning that i think a vast majority will agree they should be allowed to.

[Karkat]

let's say i'm adopted by a gay couple,
should i call them mommy and mommy or daddy and daddy? it's hilarious
and what if the infant grows up and is not consent to have gay parents [!?] ?
and do gay couples even need any children?

I have four parents- I call them all by different names. Maybe remarrying if you have a kid should be illegal too- god forbid the poor kid gets confused and calls someone the wrong name.

Here's a little shocker for you: very few kids consent to being the children of heterosexual parents. Even less consent to being the children of rapists, child molesters, drug addicts, people who will abuse them or their spouse, and so on.

I'd think it's a worse crime to be raised in an unstable household than one that is governed by same sex parents.

Do straight couples even need any children? By your logic, there should be no need for adoption at all. Sure. Let the kids rot in a prison for a crime they never committed.

It's not really-you just have two dads or two mums. Or you can do what some adopted kids do call them buy their names,

And yes, do straight people even need children?

Exactly.

I find it unlikely that said gay parents (who have faced much adversity for the right to adopt) would raise their children to be so irrationally bigoted. At no point did I "consent" to having two straight parents, by the way.

Good point.

but then the child will go to school and he will be called names by his school mates and will be mocked and scorned.

So will a child in a wheelchair or one with a deformed cleft palate, any child with a mental illness or developmental disorder, any diabetic child or epileptic child, any child that if significantly taller or shorter than everyone else, or one who is significantly younger or older than everyone else, anyone who isn't athletic and charismatic, anyone who is too smart or gifted, anyone who is talentless or "stupid", anyone with overprotective parents, anyone with a single parent, anyone who isn't white, who doesn't go into puberty early enough, who isn't rich, anyone who looks a little different, anyone who is raised in a cultural background that is different from everyone else, or who is a different religion than anyone else, or who has a food allergy, who is a vegetarian or vegan, who brings packed lunch-especially if the food is ethnic, any girl in general, any boy who isn't masculine enough, any girl who isn't feminine enough, any self-harmers, rape victims, addicts, anyone who isn't heterosexual themselves, anyone who isn't cisgendered, anyone who is a little heavy, or too skinny, not muscular enough or fit enough, not attractive enough, not popular enough, single, or has had too many boyfriends/girlfriends, anyone who is a virgin, any girl pretty much entirely in the context of sex- if she's a virgin, she's a prude, if not, she's a slut, no exceptions-, any pregnant teenage girls- regardless of why they are pregnant, and just generally everyone who isn't perfect.

People are assholes. Then, they raise their kids to be assholes. We shouldn't take away everything that 'bothers' them, we should make it to where that attitude is unacceptable.

Depending on where he lives, yeah, possibly.

The solution to this isn't to ban gay people from adopting, but rather to change peoples attitudes toward homosexual parents. Should we stop interracial parents from having children? No, we should try to stomp out racist attitudes.


Besides, I'd rather be occasionally made fun of then live in foster care.

Exactly.

This happens no matter what, you don't have to have gay parents to be insulted/mocked at school.

Exactly.

Yeah, but it's more likely to happen when you have homo parents, and then it will cause in depression of the child and then self-cut or even suicide! holy...

Considering the fact that homosexual parents have to jump through about a million more hoops to get kids, the kids are usually loved and cared for highly, and not taken for granted.

Unless you're infertile, if you're heterosexual, all you have to do is mash genitals a couple times. I'm sure there exist more kids born on accident rather than those who are planned.

I was raised by heterosexual parents, and I'm probably more screwed up than most raised by homosexual parents- as a direct cause of my parents' shitty parenting for the most part, too.

We can change laws and forbidden people to mock homosexuals, but we can't change people's minds. Any children adopted by gay parents will always suffer some kind of bullying or discrimination.

Allowing gay couples to adopt children is not something like: "Okay, let's allow it and everyone's happy." No. There are so many issues related to it. Our society isn't ready for it yet, basically, but it will be one day, hopefully, just like some decades ago it would be inconceivable for a woman to vote, or for a black person to be president of a nation.

But yes: there's nothing better than a caring family who loves you no matter what. <3

I'm not saying I don't agree with gay adoption, I'm just saying that before gay adoption is allowed, there are many other things that need to be done first.

I agree with Gamma Male's response to you, so I'm not going to get into it too much there- I'd just like to point out that there are two effective ways of making society progressive and accepting. The long way, and the short way.

The short way: genocide. Just kill off every bigoted person out there. It'd greatly control the population, that's for sure, but it has some drawbacks, namely that it's bloody and inconceivable, and that many bigoted people aren't actually the devil's spawn, all hate and bloodlust, but misinformed, or brainwashed by someone else to be that way.

Heck, my parents are kind of homophobic, but I don't want them dead.

The long way: exposure, correcting misinformation, reconditioning people back into reality, and teaching them how to love, and forget their hatred. Sure, it takes forever, but isn't it a better alternative to just killing everyone? There's not exactly a third option.

IMO, you're all turned around. After we make gay adoption easier, acceptance will follow. We have to normalize it and make it seem ordinary and then attitudes will change. Look at the black civil rights movement. It wasn't until after anti-discriminatory bills were passed that black rights really took off in popular culture, and racists were thhe minority.

Precisely- though I'd still like to point out that racism is fairly abundant, it's just more subtle, not as bloody. I run into plenty of people who don't agree with my race one way or another, and I'm not black, nor is my skin particularly dark.

the best environment for a child to grow up in is with a mum and a dad. it is not always possible for this to happen due to deaths and divorces however that doesn't mean we should encourage it. it is child abuse to intentionally deny a child the right to a mother and father as gay adoption does.

That's funny, because I've got two moms and two dads, all heterosexual, and every single one of them has abused me. Are you telling me one of my moms secretly has a penis, or one of my dads secretly has a vagina?

Considering the fact that both moms have been pregnant (as it'd be a little hard for me to exist otherwise), and both dads have either spawned children or gotten someone pregnant, I'd have to disagree.

I'd have to say that emotional abuse, neglect, and occasional physical abuse are worse than two parents with the same genitals, god forbid.

[britishboy]

I think it is ok for gay people to adopt but the children must have a say in it.

[Harry Smith]

I think it is ok for gay people to adopt but the children must have a say in it.

By default then can gay children refuse to be with straight parents?

[britishboy]

By default then can gay children refuse to be with straight parents?

Yes, a child can object for whatever reason in my eyes.

[Harry Smith]

Yes, a child can object for whatever reason in my eyes.

Then to be honest, the adoption system is going to become even more clogged up and even more useless as children will cite stupid reasons e.g house isn't big enough to stop any perspective adoption meaning they'll be stuck in inadequate foster care which only makes the problem worse. Sure talk to the child about, but don't make any decision binding. If an 8 year has a choice over his adoptive parents completely then why not give him a vote?

[britishboy]

Then to be honest, the adoption system is going to become even more clogged up and even more useless as children will cite stupid reasons e.g house isn't big enough to stop any perspective adoption meaning they'll be stuck in inadequate foster care which only makes the problem worse. Sure talk to the child about, but don't make any decision binding. If an 8 year has a choice over his adoptive parents completely then why not c give him a vote?

I think it is up to the adoption people (whoever they are) to ensure the home us big enough, the family is safe and they can afford the children. However if children feel uncomfortable around gay people they should not be forced to live with them. Children are not animals to be given to families against their will.

[Cooldoog1]

Surely somebody's sexuality shouldn't really matter whether they adopt or not? Anyone that wants to adopt children, should only be allowed to if they are good parents, not to do with which gender they prefer. >_>

[Bmble_B]

I think that homosexual couples should be able to adopt! (I'm most likely gonna adopt when Im older)

[DisneyPrincess27]

Your sexuality shouldn't determine weather you have the right to adopt a child or not. As long as the child gets loving parents and a good home it shouldn't really matter who the parents are.

[seamo34]

i voted yes as they have the sam erights to adopt as everyone else and i was adopted not by two gay men but still if it was would not change anything :P

[Emerald Dream]

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