The school for the "emotionally disturbed"

[maddogmj77]

THIS HAS BEEN COMBINED WITH ANOTHER THREAD HERE: http://virtualteen.org/forums/showthread.php?p=2795123#post2795123

[The3rdArmy]

Well, I can't answer your questions, but I can relate (somewhat) to you. Every time someone stabs me in the back or betrays me, I add them to my mental "hit list". What that practically means is that I want to kill them in the future. Over time people get off and get back on or are permanent. However in addition to that, I might (1 in 100,000 chance) cry. Cry as in extreme break down. I practically turn into a lump of carbon and water.

But shit, they do that crap in ED schools? Is that even legal?

[Karkat]

I hope "emotionally disturbed" is not a genuine term because if I do remember right, symptoms like these are usually due to autism, bipolar, and so on- which aren't things to just be taken lightly??? What the hell??? I'm all for special education when it makes sense, but this seems ludicrous.

I was at a charter school where I was neglected and emotionally abused for things relating to intrapersonal relationships with other students, learning difficulties, emotional outbreaks, and so on. But that was because the principal was an idiot.

Thing is, I think these people that were restraining you were in as equally an unfair and scary position as you were. You didn't know what was going on, you were scared of them, but they most likely had no idea how to handle someone going through such tumultuous emotions, and were most likely afraid of you as well. I'd blame the idiots who clearly don't understand mental health that come up with these institutions...

I'd say yes, that's probably abuse to some extent- but it depends on what you were doing to them as well. It's hard to restrain someone without hurting them sometimes, and if you were trying to hurt someone else or yourself, there wouldn't have been much choice.

[maddogmj77]

I hope "emotionally disturbed" is not a genuine term because if I do remember right, symptoms like these are usually due to autism, bipolar, and so on- which aren't things to just be taken lightly??? What the hell??? I'm all for special education when it makes sense, but this seems ludicrous.

I was at a charter school where I was neglected and emotionally abused for things relating to intrapersonal relationships with other students, learning difficulties, emotional outbreaks, and so on. But that was because the principal was an idiot.

Thing is, I think these people that were restraining you were in as equally an unfair and scary position as you were. You didn't know what was going on, you were scared of them, but they most likely had no idea how to handle someone going through such tumultuous emotions, and were most likely afraid of you as well. I'd blame the idiots who clearly don't understand mental health that come up with these institutions...

I'd say yes, that's probably abuse to some extent- but it depends on what you were doing to them as well. It's hard to restrain someone without hurting them sometimes, and if you were trying to hurt someone else or yourself, there wouldn't have been much choice.

Emotionally Disturbed was the term used for the school and all the students. And I never tried to hurt anybody at first, but as soon as they restrained me, I probably was trying to get away so badly that I did hurt them a bit. Not because I wanted to hurt them, I just wanted it to stop.

Also, the people better know how to handle kids going through those emotions because they have to get specially trained for this school. Apparently the only thing they teach them is to just restrain people who have panic attacks, emotional breakdown, or anything that they basically just dont like.

Well, I can't answer your questions, but I can relate (somewhat) to you. Every time someone stabs me in the back or betrays me, I add them to my mental "hit list". What that practically means is that I want to kill them in the future. Over time people get off and get back on or are permanent. However in addition to that, I might (1 in 100,000 chance) cry. Cry as in extreme break down. I practically turn into a lump of carbon and water.

But shit, they do that crap in ED schools? Is that even legal?

Yup. I'm not sure.

[Karkat]

Emotionally Disturbed was the term used for the school and all the students. And I never tried to hurt anybody at first, but as soon as they restrained me, I probably was trying to get away so badly that I did hurt them a bit. Not because I wanted to hurt them, I just wanted it to stop.

Also, the people better know how to handle kids going through those emotions because they have to get specially trained for this school. Apparently the only thing they teach them is to just restrain people who have panic attacks, emotional breakdown, or anything that they basically just dont like.

Oh, I'm not questioning you, I'm just saying that I don't think they were necessarily out to get you.

"Specially trained" :P Sounds like it. I could probably train a legless frog to jump better than whoever trained them to be able to deal with children. How much do you want to bet it's a state-mandated thing run entirely separate from the AMA or anything close to it.

[maddogmj77]

Oh, I'm not questioning you, I'm just saying that I don't think they were necessarily out to get you.

"Specially trained" :P Sounds like it. I could probably train a legless frog to jump better than whoever trained them to be able to deal with children. How much do you want to bet it's a state-mandated thing run entirely separate from the AMA or anything close to it.

LOL, I wouldn't doubt it.

[Katiya]

there was just a major lawsuit where one of these barbaric schools killed a kid using a restraint. Another by suffocation and one more by a snapped neck. There have also been other injuries like TBI and spinal cord injuries resulting in paralisys.

Those holds are extremely dangerous. I had my arm broken in one when I was 15. It snapped right in two. That was my dad being abusive though, but he knew how to do those things.

They shouldn't even have these schools. They just traumatize kids not help them.

[ksdnfkfr]

the school i always went to up til last year was "special needs / special ed" mostly for autistic. but there was plenty of the type of behavior you are talking about. that's really abusive treatment they have at that school. kids at my school including me had meltdowns all the time and needed to be restrained, but never in a way they had to apologize for the way they did it and be nicer about it later. Maybe my school already got hammered by someone before i got there. But i thought they handled us pretty good. except for one jerk teacher. there's always got to be at least one.

its no surprise you having trouble making friends in the bigger mainstream school. i mean that's typical. its like the saying that birds of a feather flock together. or being a fish from another pond.

Now I also mainstreamed but bombed out. not sure yet whether to go back to the special needs school or try online school. the problem with me for the online school is my adhd and executive dysfunction. i really need a classroom and a teacher riding my tail to get stuff done. but that's always an option for us [-]crazy[/-] special needs kids. I think with any school it's one of those 'you mileage may vary' things.

[RavleIncarnate]

Well, I can't answer your questions, but I can relate (somewhat) to you. Every time someone stabs me in the back or betrays me, I add them to my mental "hit list". What that practically means is that I want to kill them in the future. Over time people get off and get back on or are permanent. However in addition to that, I might (1 in 100,000 chance) cry. Cry as in extreme break down. I practically turn into a lump of carbon and water.

But shit, they do that crap in ED schools? Is that even legal?

I also have a mental hitlist, and although 2 of the seventeen on it have already received their lot (broken arm, broken nose and failed a grade, respectively) not even my mom knows about them. Yeah, I'm typically a nice guy, but please don't get me angry. I don't like being all white-eyed on people.

[Gamma Male]

What fucking idiot thought it would be a good idea to take a bunch of emotionally unstable children and put them all in close proximity with each other with a nothing but a few untrained adults who know nothing about mental illness to watch over them? At the very least they should have child psychologists nearby to help. Those guys sound like they had no idea what the fuck they were doing. When my brother freaks out we don't tackle him to the ground or strap him to the floor, we calmly tell him everything's gonna be okay and give him some time to cool down.

[maddogmj77]

What fucking idiot thought it would be a good idea to take a bunch of emotionally unstable children and put them all in close proximity with each other with a nothing but a few untrained adults who know nothing about mental illness to watch over them? At the very least they should have child psychologists nearby to help. Those guys sound like they had no idea what the fuck they were doing. When my brother freaks out we don't tackle him to the ground or strap him to the floor, we calmly tell him everything's gonna be okay and give him some time to cool down.

Yeah, if that did that instead of just restraining me, maybe I wouldn't have been in there for 4 FUCKING YEARS!!!! Ugh, I hate just thinking about it. It really wasted so much of my time, and my school years I'll never get back.

[maddogmj77]

there was just a major lawsuit where one of these barbaric schools killed a kid using a restraint. Another by suffocation and one more by a snapped neck. There have also been other injuries like TBI and spinal cord injuries resulting in paralisys.

Those holds are extremely dangerous. I had my arm broken in one when I was 15. It snapped right in two. That was my dad being abusive though, but he knew how to do those things.

They shouldn't even have these schools. They just traumatize kids not help them.

Yeah, I couldn't even imagine someone with autism getting restrained. They'd be traumatized for life.

[Katiya]

Yeah, I couldn't even imagine someone with autism getting restrained. They'd be traumatized for life.

That's actually what happens to most of them. Its really sad. You can deal with autism and all these other disorders in much better ways.

If anything restraints just make people worse.

[xXl0sth0peXx]

For 7th grade I was able to go a normal Middle school. But, what was weird is that I made so many more friends in the ED school than in the normal school even though the normal school has a lot more people. I was doing great until 8th grade, then everything just lost it's importance. My grades dropped, I'm late every single day, I'm depressed worse than I've ever been, and I HATE school. I keep thinking back to the ED school, and I really do think I belong there, cause I am crazy.

This actually makes more sense than you might think. Whether or not I agree with the idea of schools like this (which I'm iffy on for the record), it's often easier to get along with a small group of people you have things in common with. Even if they're people you wouldn't.

When I was hospitalized, I was in a group with 7 other people. Out of the 7, I'd say I wouldn't have been friends with 6/7 of them if we were in a large public school setting or something larger. But because we were in a small group together with something in common, we were able to hit it off and I made some of the best friends. Large groups of people tend to make me feel overwhelmed, and that's when my anxiety kicks in, more so than not. One of the things I love about my particular uni at the moment is that while it has a zillion people, the classes are smaller; I had one class with 11 other people in it, which was so nice.. And I made a friend with someone who went to my public school who I never would have thought I'd become friends with.

Now that I've pointlessly rambled forever, I'll kinda end with this. If you think you need to be elsewhere, talk to your parents. Maybe it's not an ED school, but maybe you need something smaller, more personalized that a public school can't give. If you don't give meds a chance, there's no chance for them to work.

[maddogmj77]

This actually makes more sense than you might think. Whether or not I agree with the idea of schools like this (which I'm iffy on for the record), it's often easier to get along with a small group of people you have things in common with. Even if they're people you wouldn't.

When I was hospitalized, I was in a group with 7 other people. Out of the 7, I'd say I wouldn't have been friends with 6/7 of them if we were in a large public school setting or something larger. But because we were in a small group together with something in common, we were able to hit it off and I made some of the best friends. Large groups of people tend to make me feel overwhelmed, and that's when my anxiety kicks in, more so than not. One of the things I love about my particular uni at the moment is that while it has a zillion people, the classes are smaller; I had one class with 11 other people in it, which was so nice.. And I made a friend with someone who went to my public school who I never would have thought I'd become friends with.

Now that I've pointlessly rambled forever, I'll kinda end with this. If you think you need to be elsewhere, talk to your parents. Maybe it's not an ED school, but maybe you need something smaller, more personalized that a public school can't give. If you don't give meds a chance, there's no chance for them to work.

Well, I do wanna go back on my meds, and have a therapist again. I just don't know how to get back to that point again. :(

[backjruton]

I couldn't read everything because my eyes are hurting after last night and even more from the big wall :whoops: but that sounds fucking pathetic and I'm against all people who think doing that kind of thing is a good way to make someone more well behaved. I've seen parents who when their kids start playing up in the sweet shop, they say "OK, you're not getting anything" ... this was this morning before we left the place we'd been staying at, the boy was lying on the floor in the middle of the sweet shop because he tried to get something, I can't remember something here, and then she shouted at him. Eventually she gave up and got him something, probably because she saw me laughing, but that's what made me happier because I'm fucking sick of screaming babies and I've had to put up with them for a week and I'm dreading going on holiday there again.

What may work for some people may not work for others and that's why I'm glad they haven't tried to put me on any meds, because it's just another thing to keep refusing and it might just not work on me as well as it does on others. It's also with one of those other schools; it's like they're just giving up on you and not wanting to do things your way, but a way that some complete ass crack has told them to without getting any evidence to back up why it would be helpful. It may work eventually but surely that kind of thing's only good on the short term, I think my mum's started to realize she wasn't treating me very well before; I work better with bribes :whoops: so if she tried to get me on anything I would say £10 for every time I take it... I think the one time something that bad happened to me in school (when I started screaming and swearing at these 2 girls who'd kept winding me up and I just couldn't take anymore) they temporarily put me into a different classroom with 2 of my friends near one of the special needs assistants or something. That helped because I was able to talk to someone who knows this kind of thing, and somehow no one made fun of me after that or anything else I did... and together across school and college I have done A LOT of stupid shit :rolleyes::)

I don't know much I can say but surely with this kind of thing they should get to know the person first to know what works with them instead of trying ANYTHING. Not saying leaving marks on anyone is a good thing, just you might need something to sort out your behavior that other people don't need and surely meds aren't always the best option because in my opinion that's just a sign of giving up and trying anything you can do to help and therapy on its own with someone who actually knows you that well and someone who can help you in school and at home would be better. It's just a good thing you had your dad on your side... Being diagnosed autistic actually helped me because they started to know more about me from that, I had 5 years of talks with a psychiatrist and I think I feel better now that's over because it felt kinda invasive and I didn't like it... and surely there's more to autism than just not being able to make eye contact and I would know :D as any situation I have to make eye contact, I think I get into a slight panic attack that's annoying to get out of :whoops:

[maddogmj77]

I couldn't read everything because my eyes are hurting after last night and even more from the big wall :whoops: but that sounds fucking pathetic and I'm against all people who think doing that kind of thing is a good way to make someone more well behaved. I've seen parents who when their kids start playing up in the sweet shop, they say "OK, you're not getting anything" ... this was this morning before we left the place we'd been staying at, the boy was lying on the floor in the middle of the sweet shop because he tried to get something, I can't remember something here, and then she shouted at him. Eventually she gave up and got him something, probably because she saw me laughing, but that's what made me happier because I'm fucking sick of screaming babies and I've had to put up with them for a week and I'm dreading going on holiday there again.

What may work for some people may not work for others and that's why I'm glad they haven't tried to put me on any meds, because it's just another thing to keep refusing and it might just not work on me as well as it does on others. It's also with one of those other schools; it's like they're just giving up on you and not wanting to do things your way, but a way that some complete ass crack has told them to without getting any evidence to back up why it would be helpful. It may work eventually but surely that kind of thing's only good on the short term, I think my mum's started to realize she wasn't treating me very well before; I work better with bribes :whoops: so if she tried to get me on anything I would say £10 for every time I take it... I think the one time something that bad happened to me in school (when I started screaming and swearing at these 2 girls who'd kept winding me up and I just couldn't take anymore) they temporarily put me into a different classroom with 2 of my friends near one of the special needs assistants or something. That helped because I was able to talk to someone who knows this kind of thing, and somehow no one made fun of me after that or anything else I did... and together across school and college I have done A LOT of stupid shit :rolleyes::)

I don't know much I can say but surely with this kind of thing they should get to know the person first to know what works with them instead of trying ANYTHING. Not saying leaving marks on anyone is a good thing, just you might need something to sort out your behavior that other people don't need and surely meds aren't always the best option because in my opinion that's just a sign of giving up and trying anything you can do to help and therapy on its own with someone who actually knows you that well and someone who can help you in school and at home would be better. It's just a good thing you had your dad on your side... Being diagnosed autistic actually helped me because they started to know more about me from that, I had 5 years of talks with a psychiatrist and I think I feel better now that's over because it felt kinda invasive and I didn't like it... and surely there's more to autism than just not being able to make eye contact and I would know :D as any situation I have to make eye contact, I think I get into a slight panic attack that's annoying to get out of :whoops:

Well, they also thought that I might have had autism because whenever there was just TOO much going on, I would just...... "shut down". Like, just sit down, tuck my head in, and do absolutely nothing.

[Dark Unicorn]

In my opinion,people generally don't understand mental illness so they reacy badly to it.Sometimes it's so misunderstood that people think you are attention-seeking and treat you like you are less-than-human(which seems to be how they treated you in the ED school).I do,however,wish to be around people that are emotionally unstable like myself.

[Living For Love]

Locked at OP's request. :locked2: