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AgentHomo
May 1st, 2014, 11:38 AM
Hello, just wanted to hear your opinions about this subject matter. I was in a cafe and I seen this going on and seen some other people somewhat uncomfortable about the situation. For me I empathize with the mother as it is part of nature and she has every right to feed her baby. Your thoughts?
ImCoolBeans
May 1st, 2014, 11:45 AM
It doesn't bother me at all, it's a natural part of life. If a baby has to eat, and it's not really a situation where you can get to a private place, then by all means, do what you gotta do.
Hyper
May 1st, 2014, 11:53 AM
It's completely normal
I whole heartedly think that people who have a problem with it are fucking retarted.
thatcountrykid
May 1st, 2014, 12:51 PM
I think it should be done in private or pump at home and bring a bottle.
Horatio Nelson
May 1st, 2014, 01:18 PM
It's totally cool with me, as long as she's properly covered.
Gamma Male
May 1st, 2014, 01:21 PM
It doesn't bother me. But then again, neither would actual public nudity.
Menzis
May 1st, 2014, 02:08 PM
I think it's natural and I can't stand the people who think it's weird, meanwhile you see then thousands of ads of half nude woman in the streets, but when someone is breastfeeding it's suddenly weird like seriously, stfu.
I think it should be done in private or pump at home and bring a bottle.
Why do you think that, whats so weird about it?
Miserabilia
May 1st, 2014, 03:19 PM
Doesn't really bother me, it can be a bit awkward but not any more awkward than most public situations, I don't mind the mother has every right.
SawyerSauce
May 1st, 2014, 03:23 PM
That is the primary [biological] function of breasts...
If people would stop sexualizing everything about women's bodies then there would be no problem.
Lovelife090994
May 1st, 2014, 03:37 PM
Breastfeeding is normal, however to me if done in public do so discretely. If a mother has to breastfeed in public and it is obvious and or lewd then I can see why some would be a bit perturbed by it. It depends in most cases. Usually here mothers bottle-feed their babies and breastfeeding is never seen or noticed.
Stronk Serb
May 1st, 2014, 03:49 PM
They should be able to do that in public. If you are grossed out by it, you can always look away.
thatcountrykid
May 1st, 2014, 04:51 PM
I think it's natural and I can't stand the people who think it's weird, meanwhile you see then thousands of ads of half nude woman in the streets, but when someone is breastfeeding it's suddenly weird like seriously, stfu.
Why do you think that, whats so weird about it?
It's something between a mother and her child. She shouldn't pull out her breast in public and do it.
Lovelife090994
May 1st, 2014, 04:59 PM
It's something between a mother and her child. She shouldn't pull out her breast in public and do it.
To that I agree. At least be a little discrete. Especially be discrete if the location calls for that.
Vlerchan
May 1st, 2014, 06:05 PM
I think it should be done in private or pump at home and bring a bottle.
What if the owner of the private-enterprise (in this case a cafe) permits it?
thatcountrykid
May 1st, 2014, 06:20 PM
The owner can be fine with it but that doesn't mean others are and doesn't make it any less indecent.
Vlerchan
May 1st, 2014, 06:25 PM
The owner can be fine with it but that doesn't mean others are and doesn't make it any less indecent.
So you are not against allowing it.
Okay.
thatcountrykid
May 1st, 2014, 06:28 PM
So you are not against allowing it.
Okay.
I don't think it should be allowed
backjruton
May 1st, 2014, 06:35 PM
Public breast feeding and public nappy changing BOTH at an extremely public place where you pay a lot of money to get into REALLY upset and offended me before. I don't want to see it... It would be disgusting enough already but people put their food on that table and eat there, yet her baby was just lying on it casually having its nappy changed out in the open. I think anyway, can't remember if it WAS that or breast feeding but it was one or the other. We can't masturbate in public, and somehow I see it as the same thing as that for teens has been considered a "natural" thing on here... No matter how natural it is, when there are alternatives available they should definitely be used instead of grossing someone out and it's even worse when your head is already clogged up with a lot of crap and you're realizing how disgusting you find it all. I am definitely against it in big outside spaces, as if my suspected agoraphobia isn't bad enough already - yes I can go outside but I risk panic attacks if I'm out for too long and on my own. Maybe if they set aside different places for it, "breast feeding tents" like they have the different bathrooms for nappies to be sorted everywhere you go to and changing rooms at swimming pools...
Vlerchan
May 1st, 2014, 06:47 PM
I don't think it should be allowed
So you are against business-rights when it allows them to designate areas of their own private-property to facilitate woman breast-feeding their babies but for business-rights when it comes to allow them to discriminate against the LGBT community through refusing to serve etc. Interesting ... if somewhat inconsistent.
CutYouDown
May 1st, 2014, 07:57 PM
It's a natural part of life, but it's just not appropriate in most public places. Not only do we not want to see it, but you may scar kids that are older, possibly for life. If you do it anyways, I don't want to be able to see your boob or the baby's mouth, however much I may like boobs, so just hide it at least.
thatcountrykid
May 1st, 2014, 08:08 PM
So you are against business-rights when it allows them to designate areas of their own private-property to facilitate woman breast-feeding their babies but for business-rights when it comes to allow them to discriminate against the LGBT community through refusing to serve etc. Interesting ... if somewhat inconsistent.
Now there is a difference between a buisnesses right i reserve service to ANYONE and a woman pulling her breast out in public. If it a restroom or a private room reserved for that its fine but not in front of everybody.
Camazotz
May 1st, 2014, 08:40 PM
It's perfectly acceptable as long as the mother has a tiny blanket over her breast and the baby's head. It's also polite and a common courtesy to move to a more private room (ie. not in the middle of a fancy restaurant) if one is available.
Typhlosion
May 1st, 2014, 08:55 PM
Jezus, talk about over-sexualization of the whole woman. Next thing I'm going to hear is that woman can't show feet on the beach because of foot fetish or something I don't know!
If there is anything sexual or lewd about nursing, then that's your perception. In what way is exposing a breast to feed a child sexual? Not one way. This is almost sounding like the ridiculous "her fault that she got raped" sentence! What. The. Hell.
Southside
May 1st, 2014, 09:01 PM
I don't personally want to see a nipple in a baby's mouth while im walking down the sidewalk. Though if the mother absolutely has to breastfeed in public, they should do so as discretely as possible( Put a blanket over the baby or something).
Sir Suomi
May 1st, 2014, 09:04 PM
I feel that even though it is indeed a very healthy thing to do for your child, that in public you should not breastfeed unless you can cover the breasts to the point that others won't notice.
Lovelife090994
May 1st, 2014, 10:55 PM
Jezus, talk about over-sexualization of the whole woman. Next thing I'm going to hear is that woman can't show feet on the beach because of foot fetish or something I don't know!
If there is anything sexual or lewd about nursing, then that's your perception. In what way is exposing a breast to feed a child sexual? Not one way. This is almost sounding like the ridiculous "her fault that she got raped" sentence! What. The. Hell.
Some things you don't do everywhere. A woman can breastfeed but have respect and courtesy to not pull out your breasts and display your baby suckling your nipple. There is a time and a place for everything. Breastfeeding is normally done away from the public or covered by a blanket and very discretly. Women who do it discretely would at the most look as if they are cradling a baby not like their breast is exposed. Exposed breasts are like exposed butts, crotches, and moobs, not to be seen in a restaurant or in public unless you are at a nude beach, nude pool, or nudist colony. So yes, public breastfeeding when not done right or at a fancy location is indeed lewd.
Vlerchan
May 2nd, 2014, 05:33 AM
Now there is a difference between a buisnesses right i reserve service to anyone and a woman pulling her breast out in public.
I'm discussing it within a private setting such as a cafe and not public.
If it a restroom or a private room reserved for that its fine but not in front of everybody.
Again, because you avoided the question: why "are [you] against business-rights when it allows them to designate areas of their own private-property to facilitate woman breast-feeding their babies but for business-rights when it comes to allow them to discriminate against the LGBT community through refusing to serve etc?"
So yes, public breastfeeding when not done right or at a fancy location is indeed lewd.
Lewd (n): crude and offensive in a sexual way.
I have no idea how anyone could be offended by breastfeeding and its sorta sad that if Lovelife is to believed breasts have been sexualised to this extent.
thatcountrykid
May 2nd, 2014, 07:34 AM
I'm discussing it within a private setting such as a cafe and not public.
Again, because you avoided the question: why "are [you] against business-rights when it allows them to designate areas of their own private-property to facilitate woman breast-feeding their babies but for business-rights when it comes to allow them to discriminate against the LGBT community through refusing to serve etc?0
A cafe is public.
If the buisness allows women to pull out their breast in public thats fine but it's still pretty infecent and I don't think they should allow it.
Any buisness can refuse service to ANYONE! People can refuse gays and gays could refuses straights. It not always the case where boohoo he was refused because he's gay. People need to look around because it's not gays against te world.
Vlerchan
May 2nd, 2014, 07:49 AM
A cafe is public.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_property
If the buisness allows women to pull out their breast in public thats fine but it's still pretty infecent and I don't think they should allow it.
So you are not against allowing woman to breastfeed their children if the private-property owner allows it?
Any buisness can refuse service to ANYONE! People can refuse gays and gays could refuses straights.
"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich, as well as the poor, to sleep under the bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread." Anatole France.
Regardless your LGBT stances aren't up for debate here: I just wanted to highlight the inconsistency in your support for business and private-property rights.
Saint
May 2nd, 2014, 09:30 AM
:eyebrow:
Or maybe people should just stop over sexualizing things,and get that breastfeeding is a natural thing. If the child is hungry and there isn't any private rooms,a mom should be able to feed her child. Of course,have the decency to cover up while doing so.
If you're really against it that much,just look away or move tables. No one's really forcing you to look either. A child shouldn't be left unfed just because people think it's not "socially acceptable".
thatcountrykid
May 2nd, 2014, 12:03 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_property
So you are not against allowing woman to breastfeed their children if the private-property owner allows it?
"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich, as well as the poor, to sleep under the bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread." Anatole France.
Regardless your LGBT stances aren't up for debate here: I just wanted to highlight the inconsistency in your support for business and private-property rights.
What do you mean my stances. I never engines gay rights till YOU brought it up. Te property owner can do what they want I just don't think it should happen in front of others you don't know. A cafe is a public gathering place.
Vlerchan
May 2nd, 2014, 12:05 PM
What do you mean my stances. I never engines gay rights till YOU brought it up.
"I just wanted to highlight the inconsistency in your support for business and private-property rights."
The property owner can [allow woman to breastfeed on their properties]
Then we are in agreement here.
thatcountrykid
May 2nd, 2014, 12:19 PM
"I just wanted to highlight the inconsistency in your support for business and private-property rights."
Then we are in agreement here.
And what the hell does my opinion of gays have to do with buisness rights? Explain!
If your gonna quote me MAKE IT SOMETHING I ACTUALLY SAID! SHOW THE WHOLE QUOTE!
Vlerchan
May 2nd, 2014, 12:31 PM
And what the hell does my opinion of gays have to do with buisness rights? Explain!
OKAY!
You believe that a business should have the right to operate their business in a manner they deem fit when it comes to rejecting homosexuals but it was implied in your past posts that you were against them allowing woman to breastfeed on their private-property. This is obviously inconsistent. Though you seem to have retracted such views in your previous post.
If your gonna quote me MAKE IT SOMETHING I ACTUALLY SAID! SHOW THE WHOLE QUOTE!
DON'T WORRY, MAN!!
You previously stated that you believe that cafe-owners should be allowed to do what they want on their premises (within the confines of criminal law I presume) and I interpreted this as allowing for breastfeeding on their premises. I left out the part where you state that you don't agree with the practice beside this because it was irrelevant to a discussion involving business rights and not ethics.
GOT ME?!
Lovelife090994
May 2nd, 2014, 01:01 PM
I'm discussing it within a private setting such as a cafe and not public.
Again, because you avoided the question: why "are [you] against business-rights when it allows them to designate areas of their own private-property to facilitate woman breast-feeding their babies but for business-rights when it comes to allow them to discriminate against the LGBT community through refusing to serve etc?"
Lewd (n): crude and offensive in a sexual way.
I have no idea how anyone could be offended by breastfeeding and its sorta sad that if Lovelife is to believed breasts have been sexualised to this extent.
Have you no decency? Where is your acumen? You don't breastfeed at a public café. Breastfeeding is supposed to be done discretely and in private. I spelled out how one should do it which you conveniently left out.
Vlerchan
May 2nd, 2014, 01:07 PM
Have you no decency? Where is your acumen? You don't breastfeed at a public café. Breastfeeding is supposed to be done discretely and in private. I spelled out how one should do it which you conveniently left out.
You compared breastfeeding to exposing crotches and moobs and attacked others sense of decency. That was literally your entire argument. Quite obviously there's a large difference between exposing a breast in order to breast feed, and exposing your crotch in order to act in an undignified manner as your post implies a breast is only capable of. Intent is important here: though you believe that the woman-in-question offensive and sexually-suggestive in her actions I'm genuinely confused as to how you could reach the conclusion that nursing might represent such.
Harry Smith
May 2nd, 2014, 02:03 PM
Have you no decency? Where is your acumen? You don't breastfeed at a public café. Breastfeeding is supposed to be done discretely and in private. I spelled out how one should do it which you conveniently left out.
Why?
plebble
May 2nd, 2014, 03:45 PM
I don't think people should breastfeed in public. Other people do not want to see it. Also, they can just pump the milk out in a private place and feed the baby with a bottle.
thatcountrykid
May 2nd, 2014, 05:19 PM
OKAY!
You believe that a business should have the right to operate their business in a manner they deem fit when it comes to rejecting homosexuals but it was implied in your past posts that you were against them allowing woman to breastfeed on their private-property. This is obviously inconsistent. Though you seem to have retracted such views in your previous post.
DON'T WORRY, MAN!!
You previously stated that you believe that cafe-owners should be allowed to do what they want on their premises (within the confines of criminal law I presume) and I interpreted this as allowing for breastfeeding on their premises. I left out the part where you state that you don't agree with the practice beside this because it was irrelevant to a discussion involving business rights and not ethics.
GOT ME?!
I said buisnesses can do what they want and should have the right to refuse service just like the should have the right to refuse a woman from breast feeding a child in front of others.
Vlerchan
May 2nd, 2014, 05:22 PM
I said buisnesses can do what they want and should have the right to refuse service just like the should have the right to refuse a woman from breast feeding a child in front of others.
That's my opinion, too.
We are in agreement on the issue.
Stronk Serb
May 2nd, 2014, 05:31 PM
To all those people who say that they don't like seeing it, answer one simple question. What's preventing you from looking away, or not paying attention to it? Is there a man pointing a gun at you saying that you must see it all? About the diapers changing, a woman should go to a bathroom or a room designated for diapers changing.
thatcountrykid
May 2nd, 2014, 05:34 PM
That's my opinion, too.
We are in agreement on the issue.
Actually we're not.
Vlerchan
May 2nd, 2014, 05:36 PM
Actually we're not.
How?
We both hold the opinion that private-property owners should hold domineering control over what happens on their private-property, right?
thatcountrykid
May 2nd, 2014, 05:43 PM
How?
We both hold the opinion that private-property owners should hold domineering control over what happens on their private-property, right?
Writhing confines of the law and breast deeming in a public cafés etc should be illegal
Vlerchan
May 2nd, 2014, 05:47 PM
Writhing confines of the law[1] and breast deeming in a public cafés etc should be illegal[2]
[1]: I stated this earlier.
[2]: Okay: so you don't believe that business owners should have the right to designate areas within their own private property for nursing? Then we are not in agreement: you are right.
thatcountrykid
May 2nd, 2014, 06:39 PM
[1]: I stated this earlier.
[2]: Okay: so you don't believe that business owners should have the right to designate areas within their own private property for nursing? Then we are not in agreement: you are right.
Not it should be done in the privacy if the home
Vlerchan
May 2nd, 2014, 06:43 PM
Not it should be done in the privacy if the home
Then my original point still stands:
"So you are against business-rights when it allows them to designate areas of their own private-property to facilitate woman breast-feeding their babies but for business-rights when it comes to allow them to discriminate against the LGBT community through refusing to serve etc. Interesting ... if somewhat inconsistent."
thatcountrykid
May 2nd, 2014, 07:16 PM
Then my original point still stands:
"So you are against business-rights when it allows them to designate areas of their own private-property to facilitate woman breast-feeding their babies but for business-rights when it comes to allow them to discriminate against the LGBT community through refusing to serve etc. Interesting ... if somewhat inconsistent."
No it's not just buisnesses it's all of public. Parks, beaches, walking down te street. Nowhere
Vlerchan
May 2nd, 2014, 07:21 PM
No it's not just buisnesses it's all of public. Parks, beaches, walking down te street. Nowhere
I'm talking specifically about within businesses (cafes, etc.) as I've specified a number of times now.
Whether it should be allowed occur in public places is an entirely different discussion that I'm not trying to engage in with you.
Nyan-Katharine
May 2nd, 2014, 07:33 PM
The purpose of breasts is for feeding babies. Hence the name mammary gland. If you have a problem with women breast feeding, you have issues. If you see a women feeding her baby in the way that nature intended (Seriously, what do you think that people did before bottles were invented?) as lewd, then there's something wrong with you.
Seeing a breast is not going to scar anyone for life. Seeing a baby feeding from a breast is not lewd. It's normal. Over-sexualization of breasts, to the point that you act as if they're there purely as some kind of optional attachment, for the enjoyment of men in bed is NOT normal. Find breasts attractive? Fair enough, me too. But saying that a women should not be able to use them for their actual purpose? Grow up.
tldr; deal with it.
Lovelife090994
May 2nd, 2014, 08:51 PM
You compared breastfeeding to exposing crotches and moobs and attacked others sense of decency. That was literally your entire argument. Quite obviously there's a large difference between exposing a breast in order to breast feed, and exposing your crotch in order to act in an undignified manner as your post implies a breast is only capable of. Intent is important here: though you believe that the woman-in-question offensive and sexually-suggestive in her actions I'm genuinely confused as to how you could reach the conclusion that nursing might represent such.
Nursing is something that is natural, but it is not supposed to be something displayed in all public venues. Intent is to feed the baby but to be aware of the surroundings.
Why?
Why not? Breastfeeding is something that one doesn't do everywhere.
Lisa R
May 3rd, 2014, 08:16 AM
The purpose of breasts is for feeding babies. Hence the name mammary gland. If you have a problem with women breast feeding, you have issues. If you see a women feeding her baby in the way that nature intended (Seriously, what do you think that people did before bottles were invented?) as lewd, then there's something wrong with you.
Seeing a breast is not going to scar anyone for life. Seeing a baby feeding from a breast is not lewd. It's normal. Over-sexualization of breasts, to the point that you act as if they're there purely as some kind of optional attachment, for the enjoyment of men in bed is NOT normal. Find breasts attractive? Fair enough, me too. But saying that a women should not be able to use them for their actual purpose? Grow up.
tldr; deal with it.
I agree with you on all levels. Every woman should have the right to care for and nurture her baby. That's the same as a diaper change in public when there is no place to go to change the baby. Thing happen not always in the right places but still happens . Can't leave a baby go hungery or in a soiled diaper just because your in public place at the wrong time.
Vlerchan
May 3rd, 2014, 08:21 AM
Nursing is something that is natural, but it is not supposed to be something displayed in all public venues.
Throughout the course of this thread you've presented no reason justifying this claim.
Intent is to feed the baby but to be aware of the surroundings.
Why would her surroundings be offended by actions deemed 'natural' even by yourself?
Breastfeeding is something that one doesn't do everywhere.
Throughout the course of this thread you've presented no reason justifying this claim.
Lovelife090994
May 3rd, 2014, 10:38 AM
Throughout the course of this thread you've presented no reason justifying this claim.
Why would her surroundings be offended by actions deemed 'natural' even by yourself?
Throughout the course of this thread you've presented no reason justifying this claim.
Some things you don't do in the said cafe or in front of your boss. You breastfeed discretely under a blanket or aas if you are just cradlinf your baby.
Vlerchan
May 3rd, 2014, 11:13 AM
Some things you don't do in the said cafe or in front of your boss.
This isn't a reason.
I asked for a reason.
Harry Smith
May 3rd, 2014, 11:18 AM
Why not? Breastfeeding is something that one doesn't do everywhere.
100 years ago women wouldn't go out showing their ankles, does that make it correct? Nah
everlong
May 3rd, 2014, 11:22 AM
For some reason, I find lots of public things like this slightly disturbing, but if it has to be done, I'll try to not mind it. It's not like it's harming me. I just think things like this are much better to be done in private.
PinkFloyd
May 3rd, 2014, 11:23 AM
I think it should be done in private or pump at home and bring a bottle.
Yep, I agree with this. If there was no option like this, then I would be totally for public breast feeding.
Left Now
May 3rd, 2014, 11:26 AM
Usually these kinds of things should be done in private,but if it is necessary,then why not?
Nyan-Katharine
May 3rd, 2014, 05:09 PM
Just a friendly reminder: In many cultures, it is normal for women to have their breasts on show, and is not considered to be sexual or "lewd".
Lovelife090994
May 3rd, 2014, 05:13 PM
100 years ago women wouldn't go out showing their ankles, does that make it correct? Nah
We have options where women don't have to bare their breasts in public.
Stronk Serb
May 3rd, 2014, 05:16 PM
We have options where women don't have to bare their breasts in public.
You always have the option to look away, you know? If you don't want to see something, look awway.
Living For Love
May 3rd, 2014, 05:23 PM
That is the primary [biological] function of breasts...
If people would stop sexualizing everything about women's bodies then there would be no problem.
Absolutely, I agree 100%. We turn on the television and see half-naked women on adverts all the time, and we're totally cool with it, but when we see something so natural as breastfeeding, we consider it "disgusting". This is just one more example of how our society can be so ignorant sometimes.
Lovelife090994
May 3rd, 2014, 05:55 PM
You always have the option to look away, you know? If you don't want to see something, look awway.
Yes, but I am referring to when this is done in a more formal and or business-casual setting.
tovaris
May 3rd, 2014, 06:00 PM
Nothing wrong with it
Stronk Serb
May 3rd, 2014, 06:10 PM
Yes, but I am referring to when this is done in a more formal and or business-casual setting.
Most of those places have a nursery, here at least, but the same rule applies, if you don't like it, look away. Breastfeeding is not wrong wherever done. It's natural.
Lovelife090994
May 3rd, 2014, 06:13 PM
Most of those places have a nursery, here at least, but the same rule applies, if you don't like it, look away. Breastfeeding is not wrong wherever done. It's natural.
I never called it wrong. I said it should not be done in every location.
Vlerchan
May 3rd, 2014, 06:13 PM
I never called it wrong. I said it should not be done in every location.
Please give a reason.
Stronk Serb
May 3rd, 2014, 06:32 PM
I never called it wrong. I said it should not be done in every location.
Please specify a reason.
Lovelife090994
May 3rd, 2014, 06:58 PM
Please specify a reason.
Please give a reason.
Principle.
Vlerchan
May 3rd, 2014, 07:07 PM
Principle.
Why should you be allowed to violently-impose your 'Principal' on another?
Especially on someone else's private property.
Luminous
May 3rd, 2014, 07:08 PM
I have absolutely no problem with breastfeeding in public. It is completely natural and normal and babies need to eat. There is nothing sexual about it and it is not usually a secret whether or not a woman breastfeeds. Though I think it is respectful to the people around her if the mother covers herself with some sort of blanket or something as most usually do, I don't mind if she doesn't. If she's confident enough with her body then let her be. I have always wanted to have a child and if I breastfeed I would do it in public.
Lovelife090994
May 3rd, 2014, 08:18 PM
Why should you be allowed to violently-impose your 'Principal' on another?
Especially on someone else's private property.
Blanket, a woman should be respectful. Women usually try and cover the breastfeeding. That's all I ask. Violently? I am not violent, I'm timid but not violent. You seem to be brazen, rash, liberal, and very agree with me or leave me be.
Vlerchan
May 3rd, 2014, 08:24 PM
Blanket, a woman should be respectful. Women usually try and cover the breastfeeding. That's all I ask.
I understand. I just don't agree that you should have the right to enforce such on individuals on this basis alone.
Violently? I am not violent, I'm timid but not violent.
How do you intend to impose your anti-breastfeeding legislation if not through violence or at least the very threat thereof?
You seem to be brazen, rash, liberal,
Okay c:
Lovelife090994
May 3rd, 2014, 08:28 PM
I understand. I just don't agree that you should have the right to enforce such on individuals on this basis alone.
How do you intend to impose your anti-breastfeeding legislation if not through violence or at least the very threat thereof?
Okay c:
This is an opinion thread. Not a grab your pitch forks thread. Do you honestly think people like me with this view are going to lower ourselves to violence and protests? No, I keep the thought to myself unless asked like here. This is a thread, not a rally. Also, why would I be anti-breastfeeding? I just said it is natural, normal, and necessary unless like I was the baby won't breastfeed or can't. Pick on someone else. All I said is that most women are discrete breastfeeders. (Edited)
Vlerchan
May 3rd, 2014, 08:33 PM
This is an opinion thread. Not a grab your pitch forks thread.
Who's gone to grab there pitchfork?
I'm just trying to get to the bottom of why you believe you should have the right to impose your principals on others.
Do you honestly think people like me with this view are going to lower ourselves to violence and protests?
No. I don't think you'll personally get violent.
Though, laws have been traditionally enforced through the use of (usually organised) violence against noncomformists and the threat thereof against those considering nonconformity. In supporting the law you support violence against those who don't adhere to it. That's where: 'violently imposing' comes from.
Lovelife090994
May 3rd, 2014, 08:37 PM
Who's gone to grab there pitchfork?
I'm just trying to get to the bottom of why you believe you should have the right to impose your principals on others.
No. I don't think you'll personally get violent.
Though, laws have been traditionally enforced through the use of violence against noncomformists. In supporting the law you support violence against those who don't adhere to it. That's where: 'violently imposing' comes from.
You conventiently left out a key part of my reply. Please go back and read and reply. I am imposing nothing. Many feel and have said that they feel a woman should be a little discrete or try not to draw attention to herself. There is a reason why many are shocked whenever they see breastfeeding in public venues since it normally is done in private so no one notices. It's more of a respect thing or a way to feed your baby without the awkward looker or snide remark. Now, one, I am not imposing; two, you are accusing.
Vlerchan
May 3rd, 2014, 08:40 PM
You conventiently left out a key part of my reply. Please go back and read and reply. I am imposing nothing. Many feel and have said that they feel a woman should be a little discrete or try not to draw attention to herself.
So, you disapprove but don't want to do anything about it.
That's okay then. I must of misread.
Lovelife090994
May 3rd, 2014, 08:44 PM
So, you disapprove but don't want to do anything about it.
That's okay then. I must of misread.
No, I don't disapprove of breastfeeding. I disapprove of a woman doing breastfeeding in an ostentatious and rude way. Basically to me, breastfeed, but don't do it in. A way that in impolite or drawing the wrong attention. Of course I am not going to impose anything. Where did you get that idea?
Lisa R
May 4th, 2014, 03:16 PM
I have absolutely no problem with breastfeeding in public. It is completely natural and normal and babies need to eat. There is nothing sexual about it and it is not usually a secret whether or not a woman breastfeeds. Though I think it is respectful to the people around her if the mother covers herself with some sort of blanket or something as most usually do, I don't mind if she doesn't. If she's confident enough with her body then let her be. I have always wanted to have a child and if I breastfeed I would do it in public.
I agree with you.
britishboy
May 5th, 2014, 02:34 AM
I think it's a little weird and impolite.
Lovelife090994
May 5th, 2014, 04:36 PM
I think it's a little weird and impolite.
When not done right or in the wrong setting it can be impolite.
andybn
May 5th, 2014, 09:51 PM
There's nothing wrong with it, it's just part of nature.
BuryYourFlame
May 6th, 2014, 06:11 AM
Public breast feeding and public nappy changing BOTH at an extremely public place where you pay a lot of money to get into REALLY upset and offended me before. I don't want to see it... It would be disgusting enough already but people put their food on that table and eat there, yet her baby was just lying on it casually having its nappy changed out in the open. I think anyway, can't remember if it WAS that or breast feeding but it was one or the other. We can't masturbate in public, and somehow I see it as the same thing as that for teens has been considered a "natural" thing on here... No matter how natural it is, when there are alternatives available they should definitely be used instead of grossing someone out...Maybe if they set aside different places for it, "breast feeding tents" like they have the different bathrooms for nappies to be sorted everywhere you go to and changing rooms at swimming pools...
There is an obvious difference between breast feeding and changing a nappy. As there is an obvious difference to breast feeding and masturbation (one is used for nurturing and feeding, the other is used entirely sexually).
Why should they used alternatives just because a few people find it icky and can't deal with a breast? Again, why should they have to set aside different areas/use alternatives? It's not like they're doing anything bad, illegal, morally questionable (no, feeding a baby is not morally questionable) or harmful.
This goes back to what Vlerchan was saying, you don't have the right to impose your principles on other people just because you find some things a bit gross.
Some things you don't do everywhere. A woman can breastfeed but have respect and courtesy to not pull out your breasts and display your baby suckling your nipple. There is a time and a place for everything. Breastfeeding is normally done away from the public or covered by a blanket and very discretly. Women who do it discretely would at the most look as if they are cradling a baby not like their breast is exposed. Exposed breasts are like exposed butts, crotches, and moobs, not to be seen in a restaurant or in public unless you are at a nude beach, nude pool, or nudist colony.
Agreed, some things you don't do everywhere. Like things that are illegal, morally questionable or harmful. Breastfeeding does not fall in to any of these categories.
It is normally done like that because of public backlash as a result of the over-sexualisation of breasts. No, breasts are not like any of those things you listed, they actually feed babies.
The purpose of breasts is for feeding babies. Hence the name mammary gland. If you have a problem with women breast feeding, you have issues. If you see a women feeding her baby in the way that nature intended (Seriously, what do you think that people did before bottles were invented?) as lewd, then there's something wrong with you.
Seeing a breast is not going to scar anyone for life. Seeing a baby feeding from a breast is not lewd. It's normal. Over-sexualization of breasts, to the point that you act as if they're there purely as some kind of optional attachment, for the enjoyment of men in bed is NOT normal. Find breasts attractive? Fair enough, me too. But saying that a women should not be able to use them for their actual purpose? Grow up.
Basically, all of this.
I never called it wrong. I said it should not be done in every location.
You called it lewd. Unless being lewd isn't wrong, you called it wrong.
Lewd (n): crude and offensive in a sexual way.
Blanket, a woman should be respectful. Women usually try and cover the breastfeeding.
Be respectful? As opposed to what? Being disrespectful by feeding their baby and not caring that other people don't want her to feed her baby? Right, she needs some respect.
No, I don't disapprove of breastfeeding. I disapprove of a woman doing breastfeeding in an ostentatious and rude way. Basically to me, breastfeed, but don't do it in. A way that in impolite or drawing the wrong attention.
What is rude/impolite about feeding a baby?
Lovelife090994
May 6th, 2014, 06:18 AM
There is an obvious difference between breast feeding and changing a nappy. As there is an obvious difference to breast feeding and masturbation (one is used for nurturing and feeding, the other is used entirely sexually).
Why should they used alternatives just because a few people find it icky and can't deal with a breast? Again, why should they have to set aside different areas/use alternatives? It's not like they're doing anything bad, illegal, morally questionable (no, feeding a baby is not morally questionable) or harmful.
This goes back to what Vlerchan was saying, you don't have the right to impose your principles on other people just because you find some things a bit gross.
Agreed, some things you don't do everywhere. Like things that are illegal, morally questionable or harmful. Breastfeeding does not fall in to any of these categories.
It is normally done like that because of public backlash as a result of the over-sexualisation of breasts. No, breasts are not like any of those things you listed, they actually feed babies.
Basically, all of this.
You called it lewd. Unless being lewd isn't wrong, you called it wrong.
Lewd (n): crude and offensive in a sexual way.
Be respectful? As opposed to what? Being disrespectful by feeding their baby and not caring that other people don't want her to feed her baby? Right, she needs some respect.
What is rude/impolite about feeding a baby?
Nothing is rude about feeding a baby but most of the time notice you don't see breastfeeding mothers. Clearly mothers know how to cover it. What is wrong with covering the breastfeeding? And what is wrong with someone finding breastfeeding as natural but not to be in a restaurant?
Saint
May 6th, 2014, 07:13 AM
I think people aren't getting what the other person is trying to imply here. While breastfeeding in public isn't wrong in any way,it's preferred if said mother is covering up just to avoid the whole "i'm not comfortable" debate. A mother should have a tad bit of discretion when it comes to it,because unfortunately there would be people in society that are going to be "offended" on the idea that someone in the vicinity is "exposed" to the mother's breasts. It's best to just please everyone and cover up just to be considerate to the public.
Then again,of course if the child is hungry and if the mom really has nothing to cover up with,she could go ahead and feed her child. I don't think it's in any mother's intention to be stuck in a position where you'd have to breastfeed your child in public. It isn't exactly comfortable for the mother either,but when a child needs to be fed it needs to be fed. If someone is really that offended with the idea that breastfeeding is something lewd,you need to review your idealization of the whole subject,because it's a perfectly normal biological thing.
& Comparing breast feeding to masturbation in public is just absurd. They are both at very different ends of the spectrum,and in no way are similar to each other.
britishboy
May 6th, 2014, 11:16 AM
Nothing is rude about feeding a baby
It's impolite. Children may be around etc.
BuryYourFlame
May 6th, 2014, 05:38 PM
Nothing is rude about feeding a baby but most of the time notice you don't see breastfeeding mothers. Clearly mothers know how to cover it. What is wrong with covering the breastfeeding? And what is wrong with someone finding breastfeeding as natural but not to be in a restaurant?
I do see what you mean, but I'm trying to get to the root of why they should have to cover.
Nothing is wrong with covering during breastfeeding, if it makes the mother more comfortable then they should go for it, I'm saying it's wrong to force someone to have to cover during breastfeeding.
Because this point of view has other implications upon women and society. It is the result of an over-sexualisation of breasts and spurs a society that objectifies women to the point where feeding a baby could be seen as a bad or lewd thing in any context.
I think people aren't getting what the other person is trying to imply here. While breastfeeding in public isn't wrong in any way,it's preferred if said mother is covering up just to avoid the whole "i'm not comfortable" debate. A mother should have a tad bit of discretion when it comes to it,because unfortunately there would be people in society that are going to be "offended" on the idea that someone in the vicinity is "exposed" to the mother's breasts. It's best to just please everyone and cover up just to be considerate to the public.
Then again,of course if the child is hungry and if the mom really has nothing to cover up with,she could go ahead and feed her child. I don't think it's in any mother's intention to be stuck in a position where you'd have to breastfeed your child in public. It isn't exactly comfortable for the mother either,but when a child needs to be fed it needs to be fed. If someone is really that offended with the idea that breastfeeding is something lewd,you need to review your idealization of the whole subject,because it's a perfectly normal biological thing.
I realise that people are saying that's just what they 'prefer', but I'm trying to determine why and saying that mothers shouldn't have to pander to society's (I know I've used this term repetitively now) over-sexualisation of breast tissue. It doesn't please everyone if the mother feels like she has to though.
It's impolite. Children may be around etc.
God forbid a child sees half a breast. Why is that so terrible? Guys have breast tissue too, and nipples, or is it just the extra breast fat and mammary glands that you don't want them seeing.
sqishy
May 6th, 2014, 05:40 PM
I don't see any major issue with it
Lovelife090994
May 6th, 2014, 07:27 PM
I do see what you mean, but I'm trying to get to the root of why they should have to cover.
Nothing is wrong with covering during breastfeeding, if it makes the mother more comfortable then they should go for it, I'm saying it's wrong to force someone to have to cover during breastfeeding.
Because this point of view has other implications upon women and society. It is the result of an over-sexualisation of breasts and spurs a society that objectifies women to the point where feeding a baby could be seen as a bad or lewd thing in any context.
I realise that people are saying that's just what they 'prefer', but I'm trying to determine why and saying that mothers shouldn't have to pander to society's (I know I've used this term repetitively now) over-sexualisation of breast tissue. It doesn't please everyone if the mother feels like she has to though.
God forbid a child sees half a breast. Why is that so terrible? Guys have breast tissue too, and nipples, or is it just the extra breast fat and mammary glands that you don't want them seeing.
Wait, where are getting the notion of force? I would never force a woman to cover up. This is nothing to do with sex, I don't and can't see women sexually. It's a question of doing it comfortably and not being shown to the world and crazy perverted figures. You usually don't notice breastfeeding
because it is done with discretion. This is not sex here. Breasts are only sexual when presented as such. Don't you get it? It can be seen as inappropriate in formal or cafe settings. What is wrong with letting mothers not have to display themselves so much? Mothers need time and space to bond without prying eyes and impolite lookers. Breastfeeding is a nursing not a spectacle. Now since you mentioned society, this society now blames everything on men but what of good men? They are hidden. Women are not always saints. While women deserve respect don't get it by shaming men. Not all men objectify women. Men have a heavy burden too, to care for the family and do the work. Men who are single also have it hard as parents since so many people are quick to criticize men. Breastfeeding is not sexual but it shouldn't be boasted either. Yes men have breast tissue, but honestly some men should cover up too.
Faolan
June 1st, 2014, 11:36 PM
This comic sums up our culture today.
http://i.imgur.com/bhmuj0k.png
I'm for public breast-feeding. It's just a baby being fed, I don't see anything gross about it.
AbigailBM98
June 5th, 2014, 11:49 AM
i don't think breasts are obscene at all so i've got no problem with mothers taking them out in public to naturally feed their child.
flappybird
June 8th, 2014, 12:00 PM
If there is nothing the mother can do about it, then sure. But otherwise she should avoid it.
TheN3rdyOutcast
June 8th, 2014, 12:09 PM
Part of me says that it's completely natural.
Part of me says that it's considered public nudity.
I'm torn on the subject.
Sarah18
June 8th, 2014, 01:25 PM
Like some have said, I don't understand why it is considered scandalous when a woman uses her body the way it is meant to be used to nourish her child! Breasts are not for men to stare at, they are mean to feed a child. It's not obscene when a female dog feeds her puppies, is it? No. Now, I understand people don't always want to see another woman's breast hanging out, so if the mother is being discreet and places a small breastfeeding blanket over herself then there is NO reason why that woman shouldn't be allowed to feed her baby.
TheLoneWolf
June 8th, 2014, 01:46 PM
I don't mind when someone is breastfeeding as long as they cover it up.
Gamma Male
June 8th, 2014, 02:11 PM
http://1.1.1.1/bmi/doublethink.us.com/paala/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Horsey-breastfeeding-at-the-mall-comic.jpg
Yeah, get rid of the double standard and then we'll talk about breastfeeding restrictions.
RoseyCadaver
June 9th, 2014, 12:03 PM
Part of me says that it's completely natural.
Part of me says that it's considered public nudity.
I'm torn on the subject.
I can't see how you're torn about the subject, nudity is natural and isn't inherently wrong. If I had breasts and a baby (Ganish forbid I get the latter) I would totally whip those suckers out to feed my offspring.
The reason people are uncomfortable with female bodied/trans* modified breast is because we've sexualized them and made sex a bad thing. A woman's breast isn't going to attack you, if looking at it makes you uncomfortable just don't look at it. Simple as that. Let people feed their baby damn it.
Ben_Frost
June 9th, 2014, 12:45 PM
Breastfeeding is just natural, there's nothing wrong about it. It's not like a mother is trying to show off, she's just responding to her baby's needs. When a baby cries of hunger, it doesn't matter where it wants to be fed! Breastfeeding isn't wrong, it's just natural there's no need to create separate areas for that!
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