Ghosts, psychics, and the occult.

[Gamma Male]

So what's your opinion on all that bullshit? I think that that's all it is, and I'm sure as fuck not going to apologize for offending the people who believe that crap, until they apologize for indirectly causing my mentally ill 12 year old brother to not get the help he needed as soon as he could've gotten it by furthering this scientifically illiterate dribble and making my mother hold off getting him evaluated by a professional, in favor of sending him to church and thinking about consulting a con artist. Oops, I meant "psychic medium".


You know, I'm not even normally that much of an anti-theist or a "militant" skeptic. But if there is one group of people I absolutely fucking despise on this planet, it is psychics. Psychics have got to be just some of the worst, most greedy, apathetic, evil, borderline sociopathic SCUMBAGS on the face of the earth. And the people who peddle this idiocy are just as bad. How the fuck do you take money from people with mental illnesses, financial problems, debt, grief, and serious psychological and physical problems, without doing anything to actually help and then go on and actually fucking live with themselves.
"What'd you do tonight honey?"
"Oh, I told a lowermiddleclass single mom that if she gave me another $500 dollars I would cure her mentally ill child for her. Goodnight! :D"

And I bet these people sleep like fucking babies at night too.





But, this isn't just a personal rant against the occult, it's a thread for debate and discussion of ghosts, spirits, and psychics. Keeping that in mind I will not respond to any posts for an hours to give myself a chance to calm down and not bite you peoples heads off. Just keep in mind that I do not, and will never, care if you are offended by the facts I put forth, and will not change or sensor my opinions in order to avoid hurt feelings.



Anyway, go ahead and state your opinions. I wouldn't expect you to censor yours either. Uninformed and irrational as they may be.

[Miserabilia]

I aggree,
I don't beleive in that sh*t.

That story is really sad btw ):
How's your bro?
He got help?

It's not just psychics that are the problem.
It's in most religions and cults and beleifs;
people are just using each other.

Anyway I am pretty anti religous myself.
Also anti superstition.
Sh*t like that only prevents innovation.

[Gamma Male]

I aggree,
I don't beleive in that sh*t.

That story is really sad btw ):
How's your bro?
He got help?

It's not just psychics that are the problem.
It's in most religions and cults and beleifs;
people are just using each other.

Anyway I am pretty anti religous myself.
Also anti superstition.
Sh*t like that only prevents innovation.
Yeah, ironically enough it was actually my dad, not my mother, who finally took him to get help. But I guess that's only ironic to someone familiar with my family situation. :P


Oh shit, I'm breaking my rule. Oh well. I'm pretty calm now.
Stupid assholes make me angry.
I listen to "Killing in the Name" by RATM and "I Fucking Hate You" by Godsmack on repeat.
I run over hordes of innocent people on GTA V.
I'm no longer angry.
It's actually a fairly effective anger management system.
Of course, after I'm finished listening to Godsmack and Rage Against The Machine, I have to listen to Smashing Pumpkins and Peter Murphy for the rest of the day. Lol. But it works.

[Miserabilia]

Yeah, ironically enough it was actually my dad, not my mother, who finally took him to get help. But I guess that's only ironic to someone familiar with my family situation. :P


Oh shit, I'm breaking my rule. Oh well. I'm pretty calm now.
Stupid assholes make me angry.
I listen to "Killing in the Name" by RATM and "I Fucking Hate You" by Godsmack on repeat.
I run over hordes of innocent people on GTA V.
I'm no longer angry.
It's actually a fairly effective anger management system.
Of course, after I'm finished listening to Godsmack and Rage Against The Machine, I have to listen to Smashing Pumpkins and Peter Murphy for the rest of the day. Lol. But it works.

lol :lol:

keep up the anger management.
On the subject though,
it's all a bunch of BS :D

[sqishy]

I think astrology and TV and advertised psychics and that stuff is overblown and useless, but for ghosts/the paranormal/etc I don't think it's bullshit at all. I don't reject things absolutely forever, I always question things and so far I find enough use in this stuff to keep it in the 'it exists' part of my mind (just like most other things, it's complicated).
AND NO. NO ARGUING WITH ME. I know what I'm thinking and I stand by my view and I don't need someone else to annoy the both of us. Whatever floats our icebergs (buoyancy).

[BuryYourFlame]

Penn and Teller have a youtube series and they've done a video on talking to the dead (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDDblD_9nO0) and another on astrology (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Tf_XzMGR2s).
I think they sum up my beliefs pretty well :P
My girlfriend's mother entirely believes in ghosts and psychics etc. and we tend to talk about it a bit, but nothing I can say will really convince her otherwise...

[Capto]

It's interesting shit that I don't really care about.

[ksdnfkfr]

i love it for entertainment purposes. except for the part with "psychics" ripping ppl off. you can imagine how many psychic's shops there are in las vegas. my grandma who's hippie has a friend who's into all the new age stuff and is convinced that i'm an "Indigo Child". maybe that's why i like blue so much lol.

[DiamondsGirl]

I think you're taking this far too personally. Just because someone says "ghosts do exist", doesn't mean we are going to take money off people. It doesn't mean we're going to harm anyone. Relax, I'm not going to hurt your brother. No one's going to hurt your brother. In regards of personal beliefs, I believe it is like beating a dead horse. No matter what you say, you can't change other people's belief. No matter what I say, I can't change your belief either. So why not leave this where it is right now?

I'm feeling offended in all honesty. All I said is "I do know ghosts exist" and you attacked me saying I am supporting "priests before doctors" mentality. Now you created this thread where debates are allowed so you can continue rambling freely. This should be in the TWPR if it hurts you so much. Let personal stuffs stay personal.

[Lovelife090994]

This is scary. Such anger and hate in your words. I am sorry for your brother. But your mother was probably scared. As a parent one wants to help their child. But when things get scary and worrisome people look to their faith to help. Honestly unless your mother to your brother to a cult than having a church pray for him is no harm. There are many things with psychics and ghosts, poltergeists, and faiths that I do not get, but I would never dismiss them. What works for some doesn't for others. I follow Christ and they may not. We are different people with separate beliefs, can't and wouldn't change that.

Again, sorry for the ill befalling your brother, I'll be praying that all of this goes well regardless of your agreement on prayer. Still I must ask. Why ask if someone believes in this "spiritual" stuff if it bothers you so much? This could spark a hellfire of words.

[Miserabilia]

I think you're taking this far too personally. Just because someone says "ghosts do exist", doesn't mean we are going to take money off people. It doesn't mean we're going to harm anyone. Relax, I'm not going to hurt your brother. No one's going to hurt your brother. In regards of personal beliefs, I believe it is like beating a dead horse. No matter what you say, you can't change other people's belief. No matter what I say, I can't change your belief either. So why not leave this where it is right now?

I'm feeling offended in all honesty. All I said is "I do know ghosts exist" and you attacked me saying I am supporting "priests before doctors" mentality. Now you created this thread where debates are allowed so you can continue rambling freely. This should be in the TWPR if it hurts you so much. Let personal stuffs stay personal.

Many jimmies have been rustled, I see?
What it feels like to me is that he was just talking about the failure of the superstion system with all of it's fraud and deceit for fame and money, no everyone that beleifs in "ghosts".


This is scary. Such anger and hate in your words. I am sorry for your brother. But your mother was probably scared. As a parent one wants to help their child. But when things get scary and worrisome people look to their faith to help. Honestly unless your mother to your brother to a cult than having a church pray for him is no harm. There are many things with psychics and ghosts, poltergeists, and faiths that I do not get, but I would never dismiss them. What works for some doesn't for others. I follow Christ and they may not. We are different people with separate beliefs, can't and wouldn't change that.

Again, sorry for the ill befalling your brother, I'll be praying that all of this goes well regardless of your agreement on prayer. Still I must ask. Why ask if someone believes in this "spiritual" stuff if it bothers you so much? This could spark a hellfire of words.

He was probably bothered not by their personal beleifs, but by the way they manage to profit of them and stick it in the faces of others.

[CharlieHorse]

I don't see any evidence to support that any of those things exist and/or have any effects on the physical world, so I don't believe they are in existence.

[DiamondsGirl]

Many jimmies have been rustled, I see?
What it feels like to me is that he was just talking about the failure of the superstion system with all of it's fraud and deceit for fame and money, no everyone that beleifs in "ghosts".






Sorry, Cheesee. I am not directly replying to this thread.. This thread was inspired by our (me and OP) previous disagreement in another thread. I'm an emotional bitch and I feel offended so I took that point across :)

[Miserabilia]

Sorry, Cheesee. I am not directly replying to this thread.. This thread was inspired by our (me and OP) previous disagreement in another thread. I'm an emotional bitch and I feel offended so I took that point across :)

Oh okay then lol :metal:

[rinikuma]

I believe in all of those things, yeah, they exist in my world. But I think generalizing all psychics is wrong on your part, not every one is the same. I know plenty a psychics that tell people to go get actual help, and only try to use their gifts to make others feel more at ease, if they can. they are perfectly honest if they can't. they don't even accept money if they can't do what the people want them to.

there are bad psychics and supernatural enthusiasts, but not all of them are bad. it's really a small group of psychics that pull the shit that was pulled with your brother, but most people think the number is bigger than it is because those who are pricks show themselves out like las vegas hookers. (actually, that's offensive to the hookers) i'm sorry that your brother had to go through what he went through, and i think your father did the right thing. i'm just concerned that you're generalizing a usually helpful group of people.

[Lovelife090994]

Many jimmies have been rustled, I see?
What it feels like to me is that he was just talking about the failure of the superstion system with all of it's fraud and deceit for fame and money, no everyone that beleifs in "ghosts".




He was probably bothered not by their personal beleifs, but by the way they manage to profit of them and stick it in the faces of others.

Profiting? Not every church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or place of worship is out for profits. Any place of worship should be more than willing to help a child in need for no pay or advertisement whatsoever. There is a reason why many of the sick seek out ministers and pastors, because many have been blessed with the gift of healing and believe it or not it often helps. Honestly I'd take both, the support of a congregation praying for me and medical help when needed.

[Gamma Male]

Profiting? Not every church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or place of worship is out for profits. Any place of worship should be more than willing to help a child in need for no pay or advertisement whatsoever. There is a reason why many of the sick seek out ministers and pastors, because many have been blessed with the gift of healing and believe it or not it often helps. Honestly I'd take both, the support of a congregation praying for me and medical help when needed.

This is the primary reason I'm leaning toward anti-theism.

[Lovelife090994]

This is the primary reason I'm leaning toward anti-theism.

Be careful. There is enough hatred and anti in the world. This is why? What is the "this"?

[Miserabilia]

Profiting? Not every church, synagogue, mosque, temple, or place of worship is out for profits. Any place of worship should be more than willing to help a child in need for no pay or advertisement whatsoever. There is a reason why many of the sick seek out ministers and pastors, because many have been blessed with the gift of healing and believe it or not it often helps. Honestly I'd take both, the support of a congregation praying for me and medical help when needed.

Did I say every religion building was there for profit?
No.
Read :)

Also, this was more about superstition than religion, however alot of religion is still or was at some point just as corrupt.

[Lovelife090994]

Did I say every religion building was there for profit?
No.
Read :)

Also, this was more about superstition than religion, however alot of religion is still or was at some point just as corrupt.

That is because the foundations of religions such as places of worship, have been corrupt from human intervention. The minds of humans are easily corrupted. We are not as pure as we would all wish to be at times. Plus, there are so many false-prophets in the world that it mars and masks the good few.

[Gamma Male]

Be careful. There is enough hatred and anti in the world. This is why? What is the "this"?

The "this" is your peddling of scientific illiteracy and harmful superstitions.

[thatgothgirluknow]

i believe in them but any real phychic wouldnt take money from a poor family to cure a child most likely wouldnt reveal that they where one at all and would know that it wasnt a ghost

[Camazotz]

The idea of the existence of ghosts and the paranormal is absurd and comical.

Psychics are con-artists out for a quick buck that pry on innocent people that don't know any better.

The occult, like the other two, is silly and absolute nonsense.

Like Gamma, I'm also against these beliefs because they harmful and detrimental to our outlook on science. Ghost hunters are "paranormal and supernatural experts" in a field of pseudoscience. People are scientifically illiterate and accept ghosts as pure fact. This anti-science thinking is hurting our society, so it seems only fair to counter with anti-pseudoscience. Looks like I'm going to don my old avatar pic...