IQ

[ValentinClarke]

Should schools administer iq tests to their pupils. I thibk school are not fair about intelligence. At my school, the more intelligent are seen as favourites. The less intelligent you are, the less the teacher likes you. I think that this is wrong, people should be judged on their actions and , as MLK, said the content of their character. Not because of some test or how much iniative they have. Whats your oinion

[Horatio Nelson]

I totally agree with you there. School grades are only measured by ink on paper (or lead if pencils are your thing). I don't give a rats ass if you got good grades in school or not, character is what counts in my book.

[ksdnfkfr]

I thought it had more to do with performance then IQ. there's high IQ kids that are terrible students. doubt their teachers like them much.

[ninja789]

We did IQ tests in first year at high school and the top group got out of several pointless classes like Drama if they wanted. Last year the same group also got offered an all expenses paid trip to Cambridge university (apparently they would be the only ones with a chance of attending). A lot of favouritism toward these students is shown daily. Despite half of them being average in their grades for the last two years

I quite enjoy beating them in exams now :)

[DarkOmega]

an iq test is not an accurate representation of your intelligence .same goes with an eq test some people are more creative and score higher on the iq test .some are better are tasks and solving group problems .scoring higher on the eq test . so no .plus its in school . it doesn't matter .if they are lazy they can be a genius .if the do nothing.they get nothing . its about will power . almost everybody can do pretty good in school if they try

[Lovelife090994]

The flaw to IQ is how it ignores what kind of student you are. It fails to see your talents and skills and is just a number. A person of the lowest IQ could be an artistic genius and you'd never know it. My IQ could be deemed average and yet I've wisdom beyond my years. IQ leaves a lot out. And sadly our teachers are biased.

[CosmicNoodle]

Some people seem to be confused, IQ is not how intelligent you are. Let me explain.
IO is not how good a mathamatotion you are, or how many american states you can remember.
Whilst yes, USUALY IQ does indicate how intelligent a person is it is not a definition of intelligence. A person with a high IQ simply has a better abilit to comprihend tasks. Not how intelligent they are, but how well they comprehend and understand thing they are told. For instance, my uncle could not read till he was 30(ish) yet his IQ was that of 130, and his logical deduction IQ (there are different types of IQ, look them up, I'm no expert) was that of 170.
IQ was an arbrtary unit designed by (I think) a French teacher so that he could have a scoring system for how well his pupils comprehended.
Just a bit if useful and interesting knowledge.

Forgive my spelling and grammar, I may be from an English speaking country but I have Dyslexia.

[backjruton]

I wish they did IQ tests when I was in school. We only had the small few do them who were under concern about their low understanding and performance - they gave me an IQ test when suspicions of my autism first came about, to see how I was doing, and I would llove to do another because only when talking to someone in real life and interacting face to face you can be honest with them. It was better working with certain shapes and cards instead of what was on a computer screen :lol: so they should give everyone an IQ test: 1 in primary school, in secondary school and then in college to see if they've improved in time and stuff...

[NeuroTiger]

To answer the problem of favoritism...
Well, it's in the human nature to prefer those who share the closest likes. "Birds of the same feathers flock together," they say. Obviously the teacher of a particular subject will tend to lean to the best students who listen to them, etc etc. for me, it's not a question of solely IQ instead it's a question of real interest, dedication and partly IQ.

The noble job of teaching is meant to develop the potential of the students...to give them that push factor to excel to benefit the humankind. And maybe some teacher exaggerate in caring for some students at the expense of the mass...what a sad fact!

IQ is obviously not academic...it's farther than that. It comprises emotional intelligence, logic, sports, among so many field.

[Within everybody lies a potential; an extra characteristic which should be exploited to make the world a better place.]

Thanks ;)

[sqishy]

It's an idea that deserves a trial, yes. Intelligence never gets measured with subject grades, someone with really low intelligence can learn stuff really well.

[Pulp501]

No. IQ's aren't important. The school system isn't as bad as people say. Everyone says you just have to memorize stuff (Which is part of intelligence anyways) I don't know what classes those people are taking, but memorizing doesn't come close to cutting it for me. We have to know the stuff we test over. Testing doesn't test intelligence so teachers liking students that get better test scores isn't totally wrong. Anyone can do good in school, it's just easier for some. If someone doesn't take the effort to try why should teachers like them? That's what it sounded like you were saying.

I totally agree with you there. School grades are only measured by ink on paper (or lead if pencils are your thing). I don't give a rats ass if you got good grades in school or not, character is what counts in my book.

I find that people who work harder and get good grades in school tend be better people.

Posts merged. -Albert/Hypers

[Gamma Male]

Mandatory school IQ testing wouldn't really serve much of a purpose. What matters is if the student understands the material.

[chrisf55]

There's a reason the more intelligent are more liked, they do better on tests, have better relationships with the teachers, do extra-curricular activities, and much more. However, I haven't heard of any schools taking IQ's and/or blatantly showing favoritism towards more intellectual students.
At my school, IQ tests are administered if a student has proven his/herself to be an exceptional student. If score highly enough, you are placed in what is called a "Challenge" class. In this class you do activities that test your intellect and help you to improve yourself. I think this way works well and I like it. So yes, I think schools should be able to administer IQ tests, both to help those who score high improve, and to help those who score low to get extra help/attention.

[Capto]

IQ tests aren't all that great in the first place.

[tovaris]

some countries actuly grupe classes based upon mesured inteligence, thus making more homogenized groups

[Alexwellace]

Should schools administer iq tests to their pupils. I thibk school are not fair about intelligence. At my school, the more intelligent are seen as favourites. The less intelligent you are, the less the teacher likes you. I think that this is wrong, people should be judged on their actions and , as MLK, said the content of their character. Not because of some test or how much iniative they have. Whats your oinion


You see, this is just as unfair as saying the teachers don't like less intelligent people. The reason teachers like intelligent people is not simply because they are intelligent, it's because they usually work with the teachers, finish homeworks, do extra-curricular events and the sort. To me in all honesty it seems totally the other way around.

As a top set learner i *have* to complete my homework, the middle set teachers barely care. I *have* to give up my holidays to spend time at University Challenges. There is just so much more expected of you and any little thing you do wrong is strongly reprimanded. All the while the 'troubled' kids (E.G the ones who are to 'hard' for school) can come in their own clothes everyday, come as late as they want, swear at teachers, Heck, they even take Ciggie Breaks! Yeah, they should treat people based on how they act, but the problem is with the people who don't work rather then with the people who do.

[Fiction]

No psychometric test is perfect, but they are statistically tested in order to see how reliable they are and would not be used if they where not deemed reliable. Usually in Psychology a significance level of 0.05 is used, meaning that you can be 95% sure that the results of the test where not due to chance. So although all the criticisms of the test are true, they represent such a small percentage of people who take the test it is overall an extremely reliable measure.

As for taking it at school, no, I don't believe that it should be taken. For a start the brain doesn't stop maturing until you're in your early 20s, so your IQ is not accurate before this time. Also IQ is not an exact predictor of dxm achievement, and if it is used to predict exam achievement it is likely to become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[Faolan]

There's no true way to measure creativity or intelligence. They are relative, and will vary from person to person to person. To quote Einstein: "Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid."

[Apassionato]

I generally support the IQ test as a means of quantifying intelligence because we do not have a better test, however, I don't see the point of applying it in a school setting. Intelligence is of secondary importance in school. To be a success at school you need a strong work ethic, you need to be involved and you need to be able to engage with the tasks. It's very easy to be intelligent but fail to have any of those in regards to school tasks. Many, many intelligent people have a more nihilistic attitude towards the educational system and fail because of it.

[DarkOmega]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/9755929/IQ-tests-do-not-reflect-intelligence.html
http://www.webmd.com/brain/news/20121218/iq-test-really-measure-intelligence
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/iq-scores-not-accurate-marker-of-intelligence-study-shows/
read what is says

[LouBerry]

Should schools administer iq tests to their pupils. I thibk school are not fair about intelligence. At my school, the more intelligent are seen as favourites. The less intelligent you are, the less the teacher likes you. I think that this is wrong, people should be judged on their actions and , as MLK, said the content of their character. Not because of some test or how much iniative they have. Whats your oinion

I don't know where you're from, so I hope we're taking about the American school system here, but anyway I don't think they should because let's face it, the American school system doesn't give half a shit about their students. It's all about percentages and test scores, so I don't see why they need students IQ's, especially when that just makes things more difficult for the students.

[Apassionato]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/9755929/IQ-tests-do-not-reflect-intelligence.html
http://www.webmd.com/brain/news/20121218/iq-test-really-measure-intelligence
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/iq-scores-not-accurate-marker-of-intelligence-study-shows/
read what is says

Sensationalist reports from at times rather unreliable media outlets stating what everybody already knew in a one-sided fashion.

However, yes, IQ alone only measures subsets - especially when we have yet to establish one agreed upon definition of intelligence. Nobody involved with IQ testing ever claims differently. IQ tests attempt to measure your ability to deal with logical problems and claims and learn and work with patterns - the most traditional definition of intelligence - and they are the best single test to measure that ability. A more varied testing environment will always reach more concise results, but that's not necessarily the aim of the IQ test and the way it is used nowadays. It's used as a general signifier of intelligence, not absolute proof, and the numbers are considered estimates.

[StUnicorn]

Yes, it will help smarter kids in higher level classes and give the lower-scoring kids help.

[ThePhantasm]

Intelligence means nothing in this world...

[Typhlosion]

Intelligence means nothing in this world...

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