Colorado school goes under lockdown

[thatcountrykid]

http://m.9news.com/localnews/article?a=8109197&f=1269


Prarie view high school whent under lockdown after an student fought with the school resource office and threatened to kill himself with a broken peice of glass. He was escorted out of campus at gun point and taken into custody.

I was about 5 doors down from the room he was in.

[Hypers]

I feel like the school/police went too far with escorting at gunpoint like how will that make the student feel better?

[Karkat]

I feel like the school/police went too far with escorting at gunpoint like how will that make the student feel better?

Agreed. Not to mention that pointing a gun at someone who is suicidal...Is more liable to make them do something stupid so the cops will shoot them. Suicide by police. Like what people who know they're getting a lifetime sentence do when the cops find them. They essentially dared him to do something stupid so they could kill him.

[thatcountrykid]

Agreed. Not to mention that pointing a gun at someone who is suicidal...Is more liable to make them do something stupid so the cops will shoot them. Suicide by police. Like what people who know they're getting a lifetime sentence do when the cops find them. They essentially dared him to do something stupid so they could kill him.

He was in a room full of special ed children and a five year old. He had already attacked the officer. The officer wast going to put down his gun and leave himself and the other students defenseless. Believe it or not police don't want to kill people. The officers was trying to talk him down. This kid was mentally disabled.

[Karkat]

He was in a room full of special ed children and a five year old. He had already attacked the officer. The officer wast going to put down his gun and leave himself and the other students defenseless. Believe it or not police don't want to kill people. The officers was trying to talk him down. This kid was mentally disabled.

Handcuffs? I'd say that's certainly preferable to gunpoint.

[backjruton]

Well... here's a friendly reminder ONCE AGAIN of why I hate the fact I've been diagnosed as on the autistic spectrum.

According to Brighton Police, the 16-year-old boy is a special-needs student.

I wouldn't be so angry if they actually said what the problem is, but the fact we all seem to be rolled up into one big ball when a lot of us seem to be doing much better than others really pisses me off I'm thinking more than anyone can imagine. I'm a special-needs student but I'm doing a lot better as I've never tried to kill myself or threaten to kill anyone else except for extremely casual.

All I'm saying is, if this news article was bigger and explained more I probably wouldn't care; it's been bugging me for a very long time, and in a way I hate the fact that those who do have special needs mostly are completely secluded from anyone else because they need more help, all I had that was different was being able to go somewhere else at break and lunch time when I was feeling stressed and had to get away from people. I know it's completely unrelated, but just saying that someone is a "special-needs student" and that they are in a different group really annoys me because I had to mix with the "normal" people as I wasn't actually diagnosed until quite late and did wonderfully compared to some people who are "normal". It's like giving up hope in a way, I'm against it for this reason, and I'm sorry that what I'm saying is unrelated but I did sign up to this forum in the first place to vent about a lot of my problems :P:P It's just... when signing up for college, I had to put that I'm autistic and not just that I'm mentally disabled, so I don't see why the news articles should do any different.

He was in a room full of special ed children and a five year old. He had already attacked the officer. The officer wast going to put down his gun and leave himself and the other students defenseless. Believe it or not police don't want to kill people. The officers was trying to talk him down.

Agreed. Not to mention that pointing a gun at someone who is suicidal...Is more liable to make them do something stupid so the cops will shoot them. Suicide by police. Like what people who know they're getting a lifetime sentence do when the cops find them. They essentially dared him to do something stupid so they could kill him.

I agree with you two though I guess. Even though it can be stressful to have a gun pointed at you and cause more trouble, they also need to keep the other people safe; BUT surely there are safer alternatives than threatening him with a gun possibly tempting him to cause more trouble so he can get killed when that's what he wanted to do in the first place and what they were trying to stop.

If I was going to get a lifetime sentence though I probably wouldn't stay awake if I knew I was going to be completely alone for the rest of my life - I'm very afraid of that and that is why I'm always careful to keep my image up while also looking like a mental patient (I try my best to communicate and live like a normal person no matter how hard I find it). It's good that they were trying to talk him down instead of doing something much worse, I know from my experience that even though it can take a while it does help.

And technically, they weren't defenceless. I wouldn't be defenceless, I get stressed out quite easily so I'm somehow sadly trained in violence from my sensory overloads that went way too far and surprisingly for someone with this muscle problem I said about before I'm actually quite tough and can do what I need in that sense to keep myself relatively safe if there aren't any guns involved. I'm tough but I can't take much, that's what bothers me. And I don't really know why I'm adding this :rolleyes:

[skiman]

Students let out from Smoky Hill High School because students reported "suspicious substance" in another kid's backpack. Tons of bomb trucks, hazmat trucks, fire trucks, police cars, everything, show up. The substance turned out to be... cornstarch.

Agreed. Not to mention that pointing a gun at someone who is suicidal...Is more liable to make them do something stupid so the cops will shoot them. Suicide by police. Like what people who know they're getting a lifetime sentence do when the cops find them. They essentially dared him to do something stupid so they could kill him.

No, you don't get it. They escorted him out at gunpoint so he doesn't flip out and attack them instead. We can only hope they got this kid some help.

Merged. -Albert/Hypers

[Karkat]

Well... here's a friendly reminder ONCE AGAIN of why I hate the fact I've been diagnosed as on the autistic spectrum.



I wouldn't be so angry if they actually said what the problem is, but the fact we all seem to be rolled up into one big ball when a lot of us seem to be doing much better than others really pisses me off I'm thinking more than anyone can imagine. I'm a special-needs student but I'm doing a lot better as I've never tried to kill myself or threaten to kill anyone else except for extremely casual.

All I'm saying is, if this news article was bigger and explained more I probably wouldn't care; it's been bugging me for a very long time, and in a way I hate the fact that those who do have special needs mostly are completely secluded from anyone else because they need more help, all I had that was different was being able to go somewhere else at break and lunch time when I was feeling stressed and had to get away from people. I know it's completely unrelated, but just saying that someone is a "special-needs student" and that they are in a different group really annoys me because I had to mix with the "normal" people as I wasn't actually diagnosed until quite late and did wonderfully compared to some people who are "normal". It's like giving up hope in a way, I'm against it for this reason, and I'm sorry that what I'm saying is unrelated but I did sign up to this forum in the first place to vent about a lot of my problems :P:P It's just... when signing up for college, I had to put that I'm autistic and not just that I'm mentally disabled, so I don't see why the news articles should do any different.





I agree with you two though I guess. Even though it can be stressful to have a gun pointed at you and cause more trouble, they also need to keep the other people safe; BUT surely there are safer alternatives than threatening him with a gun possibly tempting him to cause more trouble so he can get killed when that's what he wanted to do in the first place and what they were trying to stop.

If I was going to get a lifetime sentence though I probably wouldn't stay awake if I knew I was going to be completely alone for the rest of my life - I'm very afraid of that and that is why I'm always careful to keep my image up while also looking like a mental patient (I try my best to communicate and live like a normal person no matter how hard I find it). It's good that they were trying to talk him down instead of doing something much worse, I know from my experience that even though it can take a while it does help.

And technically, they weren't defenceless. I wouldn't be defenceless, I get stressed out quite easily so I'm somehow sadly trained in violence from my sensory overloads that went way too far and surprisingly for someone with this muscle problem I said about before I'm actually quite tough and can do what I need in that sense to keep myself relatively safe if there aren't any guns involved. I'm tough but I can't take much, that's what bothers me. And I don't really know why I'm adding this :rolleyes:

1st part:

Well, I think the most obvious answer would be that the boy is underage, and/or the information was not released to the news outlet. That's usually how it goes.

I agree and I disagree- as far as me personally, anyways. I mean, on the one hand, you have those on the spectrum who are high functioning, but will never be able to live independently, then you have those like me, who can.

But at the same time, it's not a cakewalk for me either. I have moments where my emotional response capacity is that of an adult, and I have moments where it's that of a five year old. Or maybe even a toddler. I'll shut down, and all of a sudden I'm a little kid inside a grown-up body. Which is kind of terrifying.

I mean, of course I'll be intellectually intact, I just might not even have the capacity to get my point out there, or to express myself properly at times. I might as well be a six foot tall kindergartner. It's surreal.

I agree that we shouldn't all be lumped together- largely because the definition of 'disabled' is so weird when it comes to mental illness. People consider those on the spectrum, or those who have DS, brain damage, or severe learning disorders/etc. to be 'mentally handicapped'. So they'd be considered the mentally disabled. Meanwhile, GAD, PTSD, bipolar, schizophrenia, etc. are...What exactly?

Disability is kind of used weird to begin with, because asthma and arthritis are disabilities, but no one would consider an asthmatic 'disabled'. You associate disabled with wheelchairs. Cerebral and Bell's palsy. Amputees.

They're all handicaps, they're all disabilities, it's just that the ones that are seen as more 'severe' are coddled offensively- they're treated like they can't do anything, basically. Anyone considered relatively able-bodied is offered no sympathy or help whatsoever.

2nd part: Aye, that's why I offered up the suggestion of handcuffs :P

I personally try not to use my disabilities as an excuse, so I can relate to that, but at the same time, I no longer hold myself up to the standard I did before. I try to cut myself some slack nowadays. :P

No, you don't get it. They escorted him out at gunpoint so he doesn't flip out and attack them instead. We can only hope they got this kid some help.

I don't think you get it. People who are already in that frame of mind will try to attack the police/others so that the police will shoot and kill them. It's called suicide by police. (http://www.suicidology.org/c/document_library/get_file?folderId=262&name=DLFE-833.pdf) I don't understand why they didn't handcuff him, or something along those lines instead- not only are handcuffs an effective form of restraint- but they're less threatening than a gun, and also not giving into the suicidal person's whim.

[skiman]

1st part:

Well, I think the most obvious answer would be that the boy is underage, and/or the information was not released to the news outlet. That's usually how it goes.

I agree and I disagree- as far as me personally, anyways. I mean, on the one hand, you have those on the spectrum who are high functioning, but will never be able to live independently, then you have those like me, who can.

But at the same time, it's not a cakewalk for me either. I have moments where my emotional response capacity is that of an adult, and I have moments where it's that of a five year old. Or maybe even a toddler. I'll shut down, and all of a sudden I'm a little kid inside a grown-up body. Which is kind of terrifying.

I mean, of course I'll be intellectually intact, I just might not even have the capacity to get my point out there, or to express myself properly at times. I might as well be a six foot tall kindergartner. It's surreal.

I agree that we shouldn't all be lumped together- largely because the definition of 'disabled' is so weird when it comes to mental illness. People consider those on the spectrum, or those who have DS, brain damage, or severe learning disorders/etc. to be 'mentally handicapped'. So they'd be considered the mentally disabled. Meanwhile, GAD, PTSD, bipolar, schizophrenia, etc. are...What exactly?

Disability is kind of used weird to begin with, because asthma and arthritis are disabilities, but no one would consider an asthmatic 'disabled'. You associate disabled with wheelchairs. Cerebral and Bell's palsy. Amputees.

They're all handicaps, they're all disabilities, it's just that the ones that are seen as more 'severe' are coddled offensively- they're treated like they can't do anything, basically. Anyone considered relatively able-bodied is offered no sympathy or help whatsoever.

2nd part: Aye, that's why I offered up the suggestion of handcuffs :P

I personally try not to use my disabilities as an excuse, so I can relate to that, but at the same time, I no longer hold myself up to the standard I did before. I try to cut myself some slack nowadays. :P



I don't think you get it. People who are already in that frame of mind will try to attack the police/others so that the police will shoot and kill them. It's called suicide by police. (http://www.suicidology.org/c/document_library/get_file?folderId=262&name=DLFE-833.pdf) I don't understand why they didn't handcuff him, or something along those lines instead- not only are handcuffs an effective form of restraint- but they're less threatening than a gun, and also not giving into the suicidal person's whim.

Okay. I see your point. You don't know that they didn't use handcuffs, by the way. I bet they would've

[Karkat]

Okay. I see your point. You don't know that they didn't use handcuffs, by the way. I bet they would've

Well obviously, but the question is why? Oh well, it's over now :P

[thatcountrykid]

Well... here's a friendly reminder ONCE AGAIN of why I hate the fact I've been diagnosed as on the autistic spectrum.



I wouldn't be so angry if they actually said what the problem is, but the fact we all seem to be rolled up into one big ball when a lot of us seem to be doing much better than others really pisses me off I'm thinking more than anyone can imagine. I'm a special-needs student but I'm doing a lot better as I've never tried to kill myself or threaten to kill anyone else except for extremely casual.

All I'm saying is, if this news article was bigger and explained more I probably wouldn't care; it's been bugging me for a very long time, and in a way I hate the fact that those who do have special needs mostly are completely secluded from anyone else because they need more help, all I had that was different was being able to go somewhere else at break and lunch time when I was feeling stressed and had to get away from people. I know it's completely unrelated, but just saying that someone is a "special-needs student" and that they are in a different group really annoys me because I had to mix with the "normal" people as I wasn't actually diagnosed until quite late and did wonderfully compared to some people who are "normal". It's like giving up hope in a way, I'm against it for this reason, and I'm sorry that what I'm saying is unrelated but I did sign up to this forum in the first place to vent about a lot of my problems :P:P It's just... when signing up for college, I had to put that I'm autistic and not just that I'm mentally disabled, so I don't see why the news articles should do any different.





I agree with you two though I guess. Even though it can be stressful to have a gun pointed at you and cause more trouble, they also need to keep the other people safe; BUT surely there are safer alternatives than threatening him with a gun possibly tempting him to cause more trouble so he can get killed when that's what he wanted to do in the first place and what they were trying to stop.

If I was going to get a lifetime sentence though I probably wouldn't stay awake if I knew I was going to be completely alone for the rest of my life - I'm very afraid of that and that is why I'm always careful to keep my image up while also looking like a mental patient (I try my best to communicate and live like a normal person no matter how hard I find it). It's good that they were trying to talk him down instead of doing something much worse, I know from my experience that even though it can take a while it does help.

And technically, they weren't defenceless. I wouldn't be defenceless, I get stressed out quite easily so I'm somehow sadly trained in violence from my sensory overloads that went way too far and surprisingly for someone with this muscle problem I said about before I'm actually quite tough and can do what I need in that sense to keep myself relatively safe if there aren't any guns involved. I'm tough but I can't take much, that's what bothers me. And I don't really know why I'm adding this :rolleyes:

The kid who did wasn't even released to school students. I know the resource officer and he is a very nice man and handled the situation perfectly.

1st part:

Well, I think the most obvious answer would be that the boy is underage, and/or the information was not released to the news outlet. That's usually how it goes.

I agree and I disagree- as far as me personally, anyways. I mean, on the one hand, you have those on the spectrum who are high functioning, but will never be able to live independently, then you have those like me, who can.

But at the same time, it's not a cakewalk for me either. I have moments where my emotional response capacity is that of an adult, and I have moments where it's that of a five year old. Or maybe even a toddler. I'll shut down, and all of a sudden I'm a little kid inside a grown-up body. Which is kind of terrifying.

I mean, of course I'll be intellectually intact, I just might not even have the capacity to get my point out there, or to express myself properly at times. I might as well be a six foot tall kindergartner. It's surreal.

I agree that we shouldn't all be lumped together- largely because the definition of 'disabled' is so weird when it comes to mental illness. People consider those on the spectrum, or those who have DS, brain damage, or severe learning disorders/etc. to be 'mentally handicapped'. So they'd be considered the mentally disabled. Meanwhile, GAD, PTSD, bipolar, schizophrenia, etc. are...What exactly?

Disability is kind of used weird to begin with, because asthma and arthritis are disabilities, but no one would consider an asthmatic 'disabled'. You associate disabled with wheelchairs. Cerebral and Bell's palsy. Amputees.

They're all handicaps, they're all disabilities, it's just that the ones that are seen as more 'severe' are coddled offensively- they're treated like they can't do anything, basically. Anyone considered relatively able-bodied is offered no sympathy or help whatsoever.

2nd part: Aye, that's why I offered up the suggestion of handcuffs :P

I personally try not to use my disabilities as an excuse, so I can relate to that, but at the same time, I no longer hold myself up to the standard I did before. I try to cut myself some slack nowadays. :P



I don't think you get it. People who are already in that frame of mind will try to attack the police/others so that the police will shoot and kill them. It's called suicide by police. (http://www.suicidology.org/c/document_library/get_file?folderId=262&name=DLFE-833.pdf) I don't understand why they didn't handcuff him, or something along those lines instead- not only are handcuffs an effective form of restraint- but they're less threatening than a gun, and also not giving into the suicidal person's whim.

At the time they escorted him out he was still a threat and they wanted him away from the other students. He kept saying he wanted to see his friend and talk to him they convinced him to walk out with them

[PinkFloyd]

I will never understand the logic behind aiming a gun at a suicidal person. it's like "Don't commit suicide or we'll shoot you!"

[thatcountrykid]

I will never understand the logic behind aiming a gun at a suicidal person. it's like "Don't commit suicide or we'll shoot you!"

That was for the safety of the officer and the other students.

[Karkat]

I will never understand the logic behind aiming a gun at a suicidal person. it's like "Don't commit suicide or we'll shoot you!"

Exactly.

That was for the safety of the officer and the other students.

Once again, people who are in this situation will usually just try to get the cop to shoot them. It's called suicide by police. (http://www.suicidology.org/c/document_library/get_file?folderId=262&name=DLFE-833.pdf)

[backjruton]

1st part:

Well, I think the most obvious answer would be that the boy is underage, and/or the information was not released to the news outlet. That's usually how it goes.
I normally forget about this. I understand why they don't include the name but other than that it just causes me those issues in my head of "I'm like that but I'm not", if they're going to say half I guess they may as well say it all


I agree and I disagree- as far as me personally, anyways. I mean, on the one hand, you have those on the spectrum who are high functioning, but will never be able to live independently, then you have those like me, who can.
Here is where we're different. I've never thought of how I would be if I was on my own because I know how stressed out I am being home on my own for 6 hours because of what I've said on the other post, right now especially as I have to look after my cat tomorrow that's been attacked AGAIN (:() and I have enough problems putting up with him normally. I don't think I would be able to live off soup and pot noodles.. and imagine if I saw a spider in the bathroom and I lived on my own, I'd have to pick up the phone and no matter what time it is I'd have to call someone and tell them to come get rid of it. Me and my brother both agree I wouldn't be stable enough in a proper job or living alone, and in a way I like that sense of security that I will be considered as a cause for concern even though I didn't in school.


But at the same time, it's not a cakewalk for me either. I have moments where my emotional response capacity is that of an adult, and I have moments where it's that of a five year old. Or maybe even a toddler. I'll shut down, and all of a sudden I'm a little kid inside a grown-up body. Which is kind of terrifying.

I mean, of course I'll be intellectually intact, I just might not even have the capacity to get my point out there, or to express myself properly at times. I might as well be a six foot tall kindergartner. It's surreal.
I feel this way too sometimes :whoops: except for the way I never feel like an adult and don't want to either. That's definitely down to anxiety though I think, because I always feel at least slightly different and stranger when I'm out of the house. At one point I thought I might have split personality because I always feel different but the more I think about it I just don't have much chance in college to express my intellectual side that is hidden quite deep in there.


I agree that we shouldn't all be lumped together- largely because the definition of 'disabled' is so weird when it comes to mental illness. People consider those on the spectrum, or those who have DS, brain damage, or severe learning disorders/etc. to be 'mentally handicapped'. So they'd be considered the mentally disabled. Meanwhile, GAD, PTSD, bipolar, schizophrenia, etc. are...What exactly?
One of the main things that annoys me here is like Ezra once partly said; those with behavioral problems sometimes behave better than those who don't. We're the bad people but we're not. Being socially incapacitated (if this is a good way to say it) isn't always a bad thing, as those who find it harder to talk to people can sometimes get on better because they spend more time on work than they do with people. With this and bipolar too I think (but don't know too much about), it's more like just having to be careful not to set the person's problems off in the first place. I'm slowly learning what causes my outbreaks but I won't tell these to people I know because I feel awkward about it although I could do with them knowing.


Disability is kind of used weird to begin with, because asthma and arthritis are disabilities, but no one would consider an asthmatic 'disabled'. You associate disabled with wheelchairs. Cerebral and Bell's palsy. Amputees.

They're all handicaps, they're all disabilities, it's just that the ones that are seen as more 'severe' are coddled offensively- they're treated like they can't do anything, basically. Anyone considered relatively able-bodied is offered no sympathy or help whatsoever.
Yeah. Until age 10 or so I only ever thought of the people in wheelchairs as the disabled and not anyone else but luckily for my sake my knowledge has improved a lot since then. One of these friends has cerebral palsy and is in a wheelchair but as he's shown, even though he has his problems with speech and sometimes getting his feelings out there he can be quite smart; that's definitely something physical, but I still think of us all the same and even though I can find it hard to hear him sometimes I like and get along with him at least a bit because people with disabilities in my experience always seem to get along better with those with disabilities because they're just better for connecting with eachother and are often excluded from the other groups of people.

The kid who did wasn't even released to school students. I know the resource officer and he is a very nice man and handled the situation perfectly.

At the time they escorted him out he was still a threat and they wanted him away from the other students. He kept saying he wanted to see his friend and talk to him they convinced him to walk out with them

I have problems with most forms of real life authority because they are still normal people just with pushy jobs that make them seem higher up when they're not. It's better when they're trained in helping those with special needs, that I agree with because I know how much nicer it is to have someone there who knows your needs and can do something differently to give you the better sense of security among other things.

It's good that they escorted him out, but maybe if they didn't they should have got someone to go get his friend so he could still talk to him but while still protected. I've never felt that I won't be able to cope if I don't have a certain person there "right now" that I feel I can talk to, I find it hard to depend on other people, but obviously some people need that kind of thing to help them calm down in the time of a mental crisis. I fully understand a lot of this, I've experienced it but in lesser forms, I'm just pissed off that they use "mentally disabled" for everything and leave it at that and I've partly explained my reasons for that. My problem is mostly the news article, not the incident itself. :cool:

[Karkat]

I normally forget about this. I understand why they don't include the name but other than that it just causes me those issues in my head of "I'm like that but I'm not", if they're going to say half I guess they may as well say it all


Here is where we're different. I've never thought of how I would be if I was on my own because I know how stressed out I am being home on my own for 6 hours because of what I've said on the other post, right now especially as I have to look after my cat tomorrow that's been attacked AGAIN (:() and I have enough problems putting up with him normally. I don't think I would be able to live off soup and pot noodles.. and imagine if I saw a spider in the bathroom and I lived on my own, I'd have to pick up the phone and no matter what time it is I'd have to call someone and tell them to come get rid of it. Me and my brother both agree I wouldn't be stable enough in a proper job or living alone, and in a way I like that sense of security that I will be considered as a cause for concern even though I didn't in school.


I feel this way too sometimes :whoops: except for the way I never feel like an adult and don't want to either. That's definitely down to anxiety though I think, because I always feel at least slightly different and stranger when I'm out of the house. At one point I thought I might have split personality because I always feel different but the more I think about it I just don't have much chance in college to express my intellectual side that is hidden quite deep in there.


One of the main things that annoys me here is like Ezra once partly said; those with behavioral problems sometimes behave better than those who don't. We're the bad people but we're not. Being socially incapacitated (if this is a good way to say it) isn't always a bad thing, as those who find it harder to talk to people can sometimes get on better because they spend more time on work than they do with people. With this and bipolar too I think (but don't know too much about), it's more like just having to be careful not to set the person's problems off in the first place. I'm slowly learning what causes my outbreaks but I won't tell these to people I know because I feel awkward about it although I could do with them knowing.


Yeah. Until age 10 or so I only ever thought of the people in wheelchairs as the disabled and not anyone else but luckily for my sake my knowledge has improved a lot since then. One of these friends has cerebral palsy and is in a wheelchair but as he's shown, even though he has his problems with speech and sometimes getting his feelings out there he can be quite smart; that's definitely something physical, but I still think of us all the same and even though I can find it hard to hear him sometimes I like and get along with him at least a bit because people with disabilities in my experience always seem to get along better with those with disabilities because they're just better for connecting with eachother and are often excluded from the other groups of people.



I have problems with most forms of real life authority because they are still normal people just with pushy jobs that make them seem higher up when they're not. It's better when they're trained in helping those with special needs, that I agree with because I know how much nicer it is to have someone there who knows your needs and can do something differently to give you the better sense of security among other things.

It's good that they escorted him out, but maybe if they didn't they should have got someone to go get his friend so he could still talk to him but while still protected. I've never felt that I won't be able to cope if I don't have a certain person there "right now" that I feel I can talk to, I find it hard to depend on other people, but obviously some people need that kind of thing to help them calm down in the time of a mental crisis. I fully understand a lot of this, I've experienced it but in lesser forms, I'm just pissed off that they use "mentally disabled" for everything and leave it at that and I've partly explained my reasons for that. My problem is mostly the news article, not the incident itself. :cool:

Being alone gives me a lot of anxiety, but at the same time, I feel it's a good thing. I don't know. Life gives me anxiety. My ability to handle what life throws at me is what fluctuates.

Yeah, I agree. With bipolar, it's kind of complicated, because I'm finding out that I can't always control it. It's like a bad storm. You have to lay low until the bad stuff gets done with, then you can stand back up again. I think what I'm trying to say is I'm starting to accept that sometimes the chemical imbalance is to blame, and not necessarily what I'm doing.

Yeah, I think the disabled/etc. have a special understanding of one another. We know the struggle, and so on.

[ksdnfkfr]

I wouldn't be so angry if they actually said what the problem is, but the fact we all seem to be rolled up into one big ball when a lot of us seem to be doing much better than others really pisses me off I'm thinking more than anyone can imagine. I'm a special-needs student but I'm doing a lot better as I've never tried to kill myself or threaten to kill anyone else except for extremely casual.

yeah I know what you mean with the stigma. I wonder how many kids/teachers/parents of the mainstream school i'm in are like expecting me to flip out and start running around with a knife or gun, because i carry the special needs label.

[thatcountrykid]

I normally forget about this. I understand why they don't include the name but other than that it just causes me those issues in my head of "I'm like that but I'm not", if they're going to say half I guess they may as well say it all


Here is where we're different. I've never thought of how I would be if I was on my own because I know how stressed out I am being home on my own for 6 hours because of what I've said on the other post, right now especially as I have to look after my cat tomorrow that's been attacked AGAIN (:() and I have enough problems putting up with him normally. I don't think I would be able to live off soup and pot noodles.. and imagine if I saw a spider in the bathroom and I lived on my own, I'd have to pick up the phone and no matter what time it is I'd have to call someone and tell them to come get rid of it. Me and my brother both agree I wouldn't be stable enough in a proper job or living alone, and in a way I like that sense of security that I will be considered as a cause for concern even though I didn't in school.


I feel this way too sometimes :whoops: except for the way I never feel like an adult and don't want to either. That's definitely down to anxiety though I think, because I always feel at least slightly different and stranger when I'm out of the house. At one point I thought I might have split personality because I always feel different but the more I think about it I just don't have much chance in college to express my intellectual side that is hidden quite deep in there.


One of the main things that annoys me here is like Ezra once partly said; those with behavioral problems sometimes behave better than those who don't. We're the bad people but we're not. Being socially incapacitated (if this is a good way to say it) isn't always a bad thing, as those who find it harder to talk to people can sometimes get on better because they spend more time on work than they do with people. With this and bipolar too I think (but don't know too much about), it's more like just having to be careful not to set the person's problems off in the first place. I'm slowly learning what causes my outbreaks but I won't tell these to people I know because I feel awkward about it although I could do with them knowing.


Yeah. Until age 10 or so I only ever thought of the people in wheelchairs as the disabled and not anyone else but luckily for my sake my knowledge has improved a lot since then. One of these friends has cerebral palsy and is in a wheelchair but as he's shown, even though he has his problems with speech and sometimes getting his feelings out there he can be quite smart; that's definitely something physical, but I still think of us all the same and even though I can find it hard to hear him sometimes I like and get along with him at least a bit because people with disabilities in my experience always seem to get along better with those with disabilities because they're just better for connecting with eachother and are often excluded from the other groups of people.



I have problems with most forms of real life authority because they are still normal people just with pushy jobs that make them seem higher up when they're not. It's better when they're trained in helping those with special needs, that I agree with because I know how much nicer it is to have someone there who knows your needs and can do something differently to give you the better sense of security among other things.

It's good that they escorted him out, but maybe if they didn't they should have got someone to go get his friend so he could still talk to him but while still protected. I've never felt that I won't be able to cope if I don't have a certain person there "right now" that I feel I can talk to, I find it hard to depend on other people, but obviously some people need that kind of thing to help them calm down in the time of a mental crisis. I fully understand a lot of this, I've experienced it but in lesser forms, I'm just pissed off that they use "mentally disabled" for everything and leave it at that and I've partly explained my reasons for that. My problem is mostly the news article, not the incident itself. :cool:

They couldn't bring his friend into their because that would bring his friend into a danger area and that is unneccecary. A lot of times suicidal people will make the request to see family or a close friend to say goodbye and if they can't do that they won't usually.

[Ethe14]

Oh boy, why does my state all ways get in the news for this kind of stuff. Did they say where he was on the special needs spectrum?

[Karkat]

yeah I know what you mean with the stigma. I wonder how many kids in the mainstream school i'm in are like expecting me to flip out and start running around with a knife of gun, because I'm branded special needs.

When I was in grade school, I tried to kill myself at school, and I even took off my clothes down to pj shorts and a pj top during the middle of winter once. (I was hot for some reason? Everyone accused me of being in my underwear, and INSISTED that it was my underwear [um, sure :rolleyes:] including the teachers, and I went into the girl's room, locked the door, and beat on my arms and cried.)

HOWEVER, I was mistreated at this school. Every time I didn't understand a question, I was told that I had to wait until everyone else was helped, no exceptions. So I'd cry, because that was pretty unfair, for one.

Every time I cried, they'd put me outside, and tell me to talk to a frog puppet. They wouldn't let me come back in until someone came out to get me, and sometimes no one would come for hours. They wouldn't let me come in from lunch if I didn't eat every single bit of my food. I'd refuse to eat, and they'd just let me sit outside and cry.

One time, they threatened to call the cops, just because I had a meltdown. I kicked a table. I didn't even hurt anyone, or come close.

Never had anything close to that happen since. I think a large part of the kids who flip out like that are being provoked by someone, and that's why.

[PinkFloyd]

That was for the safety of the officer and the other students.

You're right. I forgot that he was armed with a sharp object. I just had images of cops aiming at a guy that wants to jump off a bridge.

[sqishy]

Here we go again .-.

[Body odah Man]

http://m.9news.com/localnews/article?a=8109197&f=1269


Prarie view high school whent under lockdown after an student fought with the school resource office and threatened to kill himself with a broken peice of glass. He was escorted out of campus at gun point and taken into custody.

I was about 5 doors down from the room he was in.

It's a cool story but why the heck would the kid have to be escorted at gunpoint??

[thatcountrykid]

It's a cool story but why the heck would the kid have to be escorted at gunpoint??

He was still a threat at the time and they convinced him they they would take him to talk with his friend only to remove him away from other students.

[backjruton]

When I was in grade school, I tried to kill myself at school, and I even took off my clothes down to pj shorts and a pj top during the middle of winter once. (I was hot for some reason? Everyone accused me of being in my underwear, and INSISTED that it was my underwear [um, sure :rolleyes:] including the teachers, and I went into the girl's room, locked the door, and beat on my arms and cried.)

HOWEVER, I was mistreated at this school. Every time I didn't understand a question, I was told that I had to wait until everyone else was helped, no exceptions. So I'd cry, because that was pretty unfair, for one.

Every time I cried, they'd put me outside, and tell me to talk to a frog puppet. They wouldn't let me come back in until someone came out to get me, and sometimes no one would come for hours. They wouldn't let me come in from lunch if I didn't eat every single bit of my food. I'd refuse to eat, and they'd just let me sit outside and cry.

One time, they threatened to call the cops, just because I had a meltdown. I kicked a table. I didn't even hurt anyone, or come close.

Never had anything close to that happen since. I think a large part of the kids who flip out like that are being provoked by someone, and that's why.

See. I've never had anything quite this bad but I remember one time when one of my problems in school escalated quite far (this was not long after we lost our first cat) I started screaming and crying because someone said something to REALLY upset me and to get through that the teacher put me into a different classroom and sat me next to the carer in there who was in there to help one of the people in there so I could calm down a bit easier. This started to happen more in the second half of school, from year 9. Another time the teacher had to take me outside and talk to me because I flipped out and she could see I was stressed, that was just after I'd found out I'm autistic and I told her that's why I was in that mood. On multiple occasions in performing arts class these 3 people always used to really annoy me, and at this point they were actually suspending people for swearing but all they did with me was left me in another room for half an hour, part of that talking to me to help me out, and making sure no one could come and talk to me because I needed that time to cool off.

And unlike the other point, I was always too afraid to ask for help because I didn't want to sound stupid, I once wrote in my book "I can't answer this because I don't understand the question" and the teacher wrote in there "I'm here to help you. Remember to ask when you're stuck" but I never could, luckily my geography teacher/head of yeargroup knew my needs and put me on to the lower exam paper for things like that, I was one of 2 people in that class who did and that's because of the complicated language and words that are harder to understand.

yeah I know what you mean with the stigma. I wonder how many kids/teachers/parents of the mainstream school i'm in are like expecting me to flip out and start running around with a knife or gun, because i carry the special needs label.

Haha, in college they only expect me and my friend to make sexual jokes to eachother and everyone else. Looking at eachother when we hear the teacher say the word "spank" among a lot of other things. Once people get to know you they will know you're not like that, you're just different to other people and as I've said that is a good thing sometimes :D

Being alone gives me a lot of anxiety, but at the same time, I feel it's a good thing. I don't know. Life gives me anxiety. My ability to handle what life throws at me is what fluctuates.

Yeah, I agree. With bipolar, it's kind of complicated, because I'm finding out that I can't always control it. It's like a bad storm. You have to lay low until the bad stuff gets done with, then you can stand back up again. I think what I'm trying to say is I'm starting to accept that sometimes the chemical imbalance is to blame, and not necessarily what I'm doing.

Yeah, I think the disabled/etc. have a special understanding of one another. We know the struggle, and so on.

That would explain why in school my friendship group was full of people with certain problems then :lol: Some people just hide it but I don't see why when they still fit in with the people who don't. I think especially when it comes to autism you know what you don't like people doing and you don't do it to other people, "vice versa" as they will be the same to you. I won't let myself get too attached - I can be good friends and get along quite well but that's it. I need to know more about bipolar before I can say I think I have it or not, because my brother said to me he sees the possibility and so do I but as I said before I think sensory overloads can be blamed for these feelings in my case...

With the cat crap today, I think I can handle it better because I've experienced it before; but that doesn't change the fact my brother will probably be mad at me for the same reasons again - on the day we lost the other cat, I said in the morning that I can't wait for it to be gone because she was starting to piss me off and I didn't want to see her in a cage anymore; and I said the same things to this cat today and the only difference is I've actually been with him and trying my best to take care of him. I think of him as a brother, that is what's the hardest part of this, but I think I'm doing better than I would have if we didn't lose the "sister" 3 years ago.

Oh boy, why does my state all ways get in the news for this kind of stuff. Did they say where he was on the special needs spectrum?

Well... the news article didn't, and that's what's causing me to be annoyed and start this discussion once again in the first place. Something like this gets out, anyone with mental disabilities could start to be looked at differently because of it. I just wish they were nicer in that aspect.

It's a cool story but why the heck would the kid have to be escorted at gunpoint??

That I do understand but there could have been better ways to deal with it. I've never experienced the suicidal thoughts to this extreme, but I have had random panics and had to go into a room by myself for a while so I could calm down and have no one there to bother me. Sometimes being alone is one of the best treatments if your problems are caused by other people. I would understand if he was on drugs, but if he just has a disability there are many other ways to calm them down and I feel they should have just had someone there high up in authority that's specialized in this kind of thing. There would have been the danger, but surely not after he calmed down; not enough people fully understand what goes on in our heads and the easier ways to handle it, that's where my problems are. :whoops:

[thatcountrykid]

See. I've never had anything quite this bad but I remember one time when one of my problems in school escalated quite far (this was not long after we lost our first cat) I started screaming and crying because someone said something to REALLY upset me and to get through that the teacher put me into a different classroom and sat me next to the carer in there who was in there to help one of the people in there so I could calm down a bit easier. This started to happen more in the second half of school, from year 9. Another time the teacher had to take me outside and talk to me because I flipped out and she could see I was stressed, that was just after I'd found out I'm autistic and I told her that's why I was in that mood. On multiple occasions in performing arts class these 3 people always used to really annoy me, and at this point they were actually suspending people for swearing but all they did with me was left me in another room for half an hour, part of that talking to me to help me out, and making sure no one could come and talk to me because I needed that time to cool off.

And unlike the other point, I was always too afraid to ask for help because I didn't want to sound stupid, I once wrote in my book "I can't answer this because I don't understand the question" and the teacher wrote in there "I'm here to help you. Remember to ask when you're stuck" but I never could, luckily my geography teacher/head of yeargroup knew my needs and put me on to the lower exam paper for things like that, I was one of 2 people in that class who did and that's because of the complicated language and words that are harder to understand.



Haha, in college they only expect me and my friend to make sexual jokes to eachother and everyone else. Looking at eachother when we hear the teacher say the word "spank" among a lot of other things. Once people get to know you they will know you're not like that, you're just different to other people and as I've said that is a good thing sometimes :D



That would explain why in school my friendship group was full of people with certain problems then :lol: Some people just hide it but I don't see why when they still fit in with the people who don't. I think especially when it comes to autism you know what you don't like people doing and you don't do it to other people, "vice versa" as they will be the same to you. I won't let myself get too attached - I can be good friends and get along quite well but that's it. I need to know more about bipolar before I can say I think I have it or not, because my brother said to me he sees the possibility and so do I but as I said before I think sensory overloads can be blamed for these feelings in my case...

With the cat crap today, I think I can handle it better because I've experienced it before; but that doesn't change the fact my brother will probably be mad at me for the same reasons again - on the day we lost the other cat, I said in the morning that I can't wait for it to be gone because she was starting to piss me off and I didn't want to see her in a cage anymore; and I said the same things to this cat today and the only difference is I've actually been with him and trying my best to take care of him. I think of him as a brother, that is what's the hardest part of this, but I think I'm doing better than I would have if we didn't lose the "sister" 3 years ago.



Well... the news article didn't, and that's what's causing me to be annoyed and start this discussion once again in the first place. Something like this gets out, anyone with mental disabilities could start to be looked at differently because of it. I just wish they were nicer in that aspect.



That I do understand but there could have been better ways to deal with it. I've never experienced the suicidal thoughts to this extreme, but I have had random panics and had to go into a room by myself for a while so I could calm down and have no one there to bother me. Sometimes being alone is one of the best treatments if your problems are caused by other people. I would understand if he was on drugs, but if he just has a disability there are many other ways to calm them down and I feel they should have just had someone there high up in authority that's specialized in this kind of thing. There would have been the danger, but surely not after he calmed down; not enough people fully understand what goes on in our heads and the easier ways to handle it, that's where my problems are. :whoops:

They couldn't just leave him alone because he was suicidal with a sharp peice of glass to his throat.