Circumcision. Any benefits? Is it okay?

[Lovelife090994]

Do you agree with male circumcision or not? I believe all of us will say a loud NO to female circumcision which is genital mutilation even though male circumcision is a level of mutilation itself. Now of course in the case of the Jews circumcision is a rite of passage and a way to idenify someone as an Israelite or Jew even when one converts. So, yes it has religious import, but to most it is a religious practice rather than spiritual practice. Do you think circumsion has any health benefits? Should it be legal?

Me? I am not circumcised, but I respect one's want to be circumcised, and I understand the tradition of it as long as it is not female. I may not understand circumcision all of the time, but I know that in some cases with men it is necessary to correct overly tight, excessive, or infected foreskin. But again, what of you?

And please, be civil. Thank you.

[DisneyPrincess27]

I think it should be legal. But only because of the religious traditions.

[ksdnfkfr]

i hit the wrong button on the poll and there's no do overs sowy. i think it should be the same as any other body modification. what i mean is, you can't legally take your baby in to get their ears gauged of their tongues split, or a cosmetic nose job etc.

far as i'm concerned male circumcision is usually purely cosmetic. boys get circumcised in the US so they will look like their daddy and the other boys etc. because it's some crazy fad that started in the US under the illusion of hygiene which is bs. mouths, armpits, feet and butt cracks get just as smelly if they are not kept clean.

So like our MrIan, if a boy is old enough to decide and wants one, that's fine. I like the way they look good personally. But thousands of baby boys getting it done automatically for no reason? that should've stopped a long time ago.

Female circumcision? wtf? no, no and no.

[backjruton]

I've seen videos of the kids literally kicking and screaming, it is always kicking and screaming.

They shouldn't force it on anyone who doesn't want it, I think the idea of it being a religious initiation is pathetic; and it basically means the parents are forcing their kids to walk into a religion without giving them a choice. If the kids themselves were allowed to choose, I would probably be OK with it. As for medical; I don't really know what the reasons of it are as I haven't looked for much about that. It does look nicer that way, and I would definitely go for the look if I didn't have to deal with it forever.

This (http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/.premium-1.560245) is definitely the worst I saw on the news, things like this definitely shouldn't be allowed to happen, and even though I may or may not believe in a God or anything else I don't follow the beliefs of any religion because of the ridiculous things that come with some of them (for failure to think of a better word).

[Ethe14]

It should probably be banned unless medical or religious reasons. I was cut due to medical and am fine with it but if I didn't have that issue I would have been fine intact.

[Karkat]

I personally think it should only be legal underage if it's due to a medical problem. After 18, if you want to get cut, knock yourself out! (Ok that sounded odd)

As far as female circumcision, absolutely not. There are rare reasons part of the female reproductive system might be removed at a young age...But EXTREMELY rare, and also usually internal organs- not parts of the genitals.

And also nothing like female circumcision! They sew up the vaginal opening to like, half its size, for god's sake. (Literally? Hmm.)

I'm in agreement that religion should be taken into account, as it is very important to some. However, it should still be a choice. Like baptism- but since it's irrelevant and also not removing part of the body I'll not get into that.

[Stronk Serb]

When the child grows up and decides for itself. I would be so pissed if my parents took me to the doctor and had him cut off a bit of my penis.

[Korashk]

Nobody things circumcision should be illegal. What they do think is that routine infant circumcision should be illegal. By that we mean circumcision without medical necessity.

[Harry Smith]

I didn't want to vote for the 3rd option due to the fact it had the word religion it in, I mean to be honest it shows just how strange religion is 'you must cut the skin of your penis otherwise you will be unholy', it's like come on there's much bigger issues in the world for any religion

[Miserabilia]

Nope, it's mutilation, I mean If you're against female circumcision why not male?

[abc983055235235231a]

Said this in other threads about circumcision: I am perfectly fine with a legal adult getting circumcised.
Infant circumcision, on the other hand, is non-consensual mutilation of a child's genitals. It causes them immense pain. It is a difficult process to undo. It also poses many health risks (significantly outweighing the alleged health concerns surrounding uncircumcised penises). I do not care in the slightest if it is a religious practice.

[Karkat]

Nobody things circumcision should be illegal. What they do think is that routine infant circumcision should be illegal. By that we mean circumcision without medical necessity.

I didn't want to vote for the 3rd option due to the fact it had the word religion it in, I mean to be honest it shows just how strange religion is 'you must cut the skin of your penis otherwise you will be unholy', it's like come on there's much bigger issues in the world for any religion

Exactly to both of these.

Nope, it's mutilation, I mean If you're against female circumcision why not male?

Well, some have medical issues (which to my knowledge would make sex and masturbation hard, if not extremely painful), and some just end up getting cut for personal reasons after adulthood. This is different from most infant circumcision, because it's their decision, or there's at least a reason for it.

Said this in other threads about circumcision: I am perfectly fine with a legal adult getting circumcised.
Infant circumcision, on the other hand, is non-consensual mutilation of a child's genitals. It causes them immense pain. It is a difficult process to undo. It also poses many health risks (significantly outweighing the alleged health concerns surrounding uncircumcised penises). I do not care in the slightest if it is a religious practice.

While I do agree with most of this, once again, I will take the opinion of a RENOWNED medical clinic over a teenage boy. Source your information, please. I already have. I doubt anything you can come up with will be of higher reputation than the Mayo Clinic.

Also, to my knowledge, if the foreskin cannot be pulled back over the head of the penis, it would make sex and masturbation hard, if not extremely painful. So you'd be ok with condemning some poor guys to no masturbation or sex until they were of the age of majority, and could get the funds to fix the problem?

[abc983055235235231a]

While I do agree with most of this, once again, I will take the opinion of a RENOWNED medical clinic over a teenage boy. Source your information, please. I already have. I doubt anything you can come up with will be of higher reputation than the Mayo Clinic.

Also, to my knowledge, if the foreskin cannot be pulled back over the head of the penis, it would make sex and masturbation hard, if not extremely painful. So you'd be ok with condemning some poor guys to no masturbation or sex until they were of the age of majority, and could get the funds to fix the problem?

Obviously I support infant circumcision when it is medically necessary. I don't think anyone on Earth opposes that. I don't condone the amputation of a person's arm, but I obviously have no problem with that when it is medically necessary.

I find it a bit ironic that you are telling me to source my information, when your source is a webpage with a bunch of uncited empirical claims. Anyway, I will indulge you:

I'll just pull some quotes out of some articles, and I'll include links for you to (illegally) download them, in case you want to read them in full.
1.
"Circumcision has been shown to be advantageous only in recurrent UTI or higher grades of vesicoureteral reflux."
"Routine circumcision fails to satisfy the criteria necessary to justify it either as a public health measure or a procedure performed in the best interest of the individual"
"It is recommended that the decision for circumcision should be deferred till the child is old enough to make a learned decision for himself"

http://www.mediafire.com/view/eyfts74gnqe1ryd/circumcision_in_children.pdf

2.
"In the absence of anatomic defects, [Urinary Tract Infections] do not require surgery and can be treated with oral antibiotics."
"When adjusted for phimosis, newborn circumcision was not associated with penile cancer."
"Circumcision status has no consistent association with [herpes], HPV, gonorrhea, or chlamydia."
"[Sexually transmitted infections] can be prevented and/or treated more effectively, less invasively, and less expensively with condoms and antibiotics than with circumcision."
"Circumcision removes a complex, pentilaminar specialized, junctional structure that contains nearly all the penis' fine-touch neuroreceptors. [...] Circumcision can reduce the sensitivity of the [penis head] to fine-touch and vibration."
"[C]ommonly reported complications of circumcision include infection (1-3%), excessive bleeding (1-9%), meatitis (20%), meatal stenosis (5-8%), subcutaneous granuloma (5%), skin bridges (2%), and phimosis (1-2%)."
"No reason exists that can justify why circumcision cannot wait until the infant is old enough to choose for himself."

http://www.mediafire.com/view/wp4afuiyx1euapo/argument_against.pdf

3.
Don't actually want to quote anything from this because it is dealing specifically with Australia. However, it points out flaws with generalizing data from sub-saharan Africa to the developed word (at least one of the other articles does this as well).
Nearly all data about circumcision and disease prevention has to do with circumcision is geographic regions where disease is endemic, such that even if such studies weren't flawed, they still would have little or no bearing on developed countries.

http://www.mediafire.com/view/85gndhyugy1wo81/hiv_in_aust.pdf

If I can throw in some unsourced thoughts now:
Nearly all of the alleged complications suffered by uncircumcised individuals can be combated by (1) condom use, and sexual education, (2) good hygiene.

[Karkat]

Obviously I support infant circumcision when it is medically necessary. I don't think anyone on Earth opposes that. I don't condone the amputation of a person's arm, but I obviously have no problem with that when it is medically necessary.

I find it a bit ironic that you are telling me to source my information, when your source is a webpage with a bunch of uncited empirical claims.


I like how you fail to mention that in any of your previous posts. Really. You could've saved yourself a lot of time.

I've already said that I'm opposed to routine circumcision.

Also, since you've clearly never heard of the Mayo Clinic, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayo_Clinic

I can't force you to acknowledge just what the MC is, or what it does, but I'm not going to cower to your condescension just because you don't know something. (Which is somewhat ironic in itself, since we're going to be throwing around the "I" word now)

That's like discounting the NIMH or the ADA just because you've never heard of them before. If they're considered credible resources by schools, businesses, just about everyone else in the world except you, why should I take your word over theirs?

[abc983055235235231a]

I like how you fail to mention that in any of your previous posts. Really. You could've saved yourself a lot of time.

I've already said that I'm opposed to routine circumcision.

Also, since you've clearly never heard of the Mayo Clinic, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mayo_Clinic

I can't force you to acknowledge just what the MC is, or what it does, but I'm not going to cower to your condescension just because you don't know something. (Which is somewhat ironic in itself, since we're going to be throwing around the "I" word now)

That's like discounting the NIMH or the ADA just because you've never heard of them before. If they're considered credible resources by schools, businesses, just about everyone else in the world except you, why should I take your word over theirs?

Like I said, I don't think that anyone on Earth opposes circumcision when it is medically necessary. I never mentioned it because it's a completely non-controversial matter. Infant circumcision is contentious specifically because of alleged health benefits (religious reasons are secondary to this).

It doesn't actually matter who the organization is. I'm not going to believe a bunch of uncited empirical claims just because they come from an allegedly credible source. Regardless, what they say is misleading at best, and incorrect at worst.

[Karkat]

Like I said, I don't think that anyone on Earth opposes circumcision when it is medically necessary. I never mentioned it because it's a completely non-controversial matter. Infant circumcision is contentious specifically because of alleged health benefits (religious reasons are secondary to this).

It doesn't actually matter who the organization is. I'm not going to believe just because they come from an allegedly credible source. Regardless, what they say is misleading at best, and incorrect at worst.

Eh, whatever floats your boat. I'm just as likely to believe some kid I don't even know.

[Srom]

Yes I think it should be legal because of religious reasons or if you want to get circumcised.

[plebble]

I think they've recently banned genital mutilation in the UK. But that might only be with girls, I'm not sure.

[CharlieHorse]

my bro got circumsized at 17 because of some tight foreskin condition or something, aka a health reason.
no problem there

doing it to babies i think is dumb, but then again, most things done with religion in mind is dumb.

[AgentHomo]

I said no, because based on my beliefs of religion (which everyone is aware of) circumcision for religious reasons isn't right, especially on a baby that has no choice. If one is an older age where they are capable of making decisions, sure, go ahead. But forcing babies to get part of their body cut off to worship some imaginary being for stupid religious reasons, no. Just no.

[Suave]

I think it should be legal. Why not. I'm circumcised and don't really care that I was circumcised as a baby. It's just skin if you ask me.

[jerrydevo2]

Some people are circumcised for medical reasons and if they were not there penis would give them pain with the foreskin filling with urine anytime they had to piss

[mattsmith48]

Do you agree with male circumcision or not? I believe all of us will say a loud NO to female circumcision which is genital mutilation even though male circumcision is a level of mutilation itself. Now of course in the case of the Jews circumcision is a rite of passage and a way to idenify someone as an Israelite or Jew even when one converts. So, yes it has religious import, but to most it is a religious practice rather than spiritual practice. Do you think circumsion has any health benefits? Should it be legal?

Me? I am not circumcised, but I respect one's want to be circumcised, and I understand the tradition of it as long as it is not female. I may not understand circumcision all of the time, but I know that in some cases with men it is necessary to correct overly tight, excessive, or infected foreskin. But again, what of you?

And please, be civil. Thank you.

There is a choice missing which is yes for medical reason, which is what I believe that should be the only reason you do it to a kid.
That being said if you want to do it to yourself because of religious reason do it I don't give a shit but don't take that choice for a kid except if its for medical reason.

[thegreatgatz]

I think its totally wrong and unnecessary in a modern and civilized society. Sure, it had a place in ancient times where people died left and right from infections, but it wasn't even really necessary then because the foreskin also protected the penis from the elements. It is wrong to circumcise anyone.

[tovaris]

I realy dont think mutulating babies is a good thing

[Kirina]

Circumcision should only be practised for medical reasons and only if there is no better alternative available. This is regardless of gender.

Cultures and religion does not overrule human rights.

[mattsmith48]

Cultures and religion does not overrule human rights.

It shouldn't it but it is happening every day just look at Muslims or Christians

[Vlerchan]

Cultures and religion does not overrule human rights.
Human rights a product of culture - and it's arguable religion.

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But sure involuntary circumcision is bad and should be banned.

[Left Now]

Human rights a product of culture - and it's arguable religion.

Well,I would in a way agree with this statement,but I would rather say Human Rights must also includes Culture Rights,which is about rights of the Majority of a population who know themselves belonging to a specific Culture or Religion.

Anyway,as I have always said,it all depends on Environmental Conditions of specific areas and times if an act is finally Good or Bad.For example in my area,it has more advantages than disadvantages and among all those little minority of male adults who are not circumcised,90% of them are now encountering Genital problems and infectious diseases that most majority of circumcised males are not.But in another area,it must be reverse.

[Kirina]

I think all boys should be circumcised. It's so much cleaner and healthier... and frankly, more fun LOL.
You seriously still keep going on about this BS? It's not cleaner and healthier. At this point, it seems like all your doing is uncut shaming.
Your subtly toxic. I hope admins/mods realize this soon and ban you.

I've been with one circumcised guy and I absolutely loved it, I wish it was more common to be honest.
Once you've experienced a circumcised one... the difference is amazing.
Cut ones are just a lot drier, no smell, and nicer to look at/play with.
Uncut dicks looks kinda weird and floppy, and sometimes they don't smell perfect.
I like cut penises. They're prettier and they feel better and they're really clean-smelling
Cut ones are a lot more pleasant and nicer

I doubt there are many girls who are turned off by circumcised penises, I think most of us are either neutral or prefer circumcised! It's just so much smoother and cuter and nicer...
In truth - cut ones are so much nicer. They look better, they feel better, they seem cleaner and they're a lot more fun. So yeah, sorry, I'm gonna have to be honest and say that as much as I wish I didn't have a preference, in truth, cut ones all the way... much, much nicer.
Cut ones are cute They feel so silky and smooth and dry, and they seem a lot cleaner and I'd definitely rather play with a cut one to be honest... so pretty...
cut ones are so smooth and clean-feeling and silky... so much fun!
it's SOOOO MUCH better cut. Oral is where circumcision makes the biggest improvement.
TBH this is gonna sound horrible but giving oral to uncut guys just isn't enjoyable

[Rickmckay111]

I got circumsised when i was younger - I don't mind it at all.

For me it should be for medical reasons only.

[Miserabilia]

Lmao. Yeah ofcourse you're not going to miss it when you have never had it...

People, men with foreskin problems are literaly a tiny part of the population like people with down's syndrome or people born without legs or something.
Foreskin is there for a reason, you can survive without it that doesn't mean it's neccecary to cut it off from a small boy without consent possibly causing harm and always always causing minor issues for the sake of "hygene' a lie of propaganda that you still hear/see often in the united states only...

[Miserabilia]

Wow, that's kinda harsh don't you think? I used to agree - I was VERY anti-circumcision. It seemed cruel and wrong and just awful. Having a circumcised boyfriend can really change one's perspective, LOL.

how has it changed?

[SethfromMI]

I was circumcised as a baby but I am glad I was. however, I am neutral on this issue as I can understand the many sides to this

[TrampCore]

I honestly think that circumcision should only be made with the approval of the male who is subjected. Female circumcision should be banned and those who practice it persecuted.

[Kuroshiro]

I think it should be legal for 18 year olds or over to get circumcised, but only if they consent to it. Any other times should be strictly for medical reasons.

[Jaffe]

All of the studying I have done quite effectively negates the health/hygiene benefits that has become the popular excuse.

The original reason for circumcision, male or female, was to prevent masturbation. We all know how well that worked out.

I am not circumcised, and I am glad I am not. I like the sensitivity of being uncut, I don't want to change that.

I believe people have the right to modify their own body if they wish, I simply choose not to. 18 square inches of skin being removed is not really a minor thing (although medically minor, meaning not life-threatening). The foreskin has a purpose, and it is only unhygienic if you don't clean it. It's also unhygienic to not brush your teeth or not take a shower... And a lot fewer bacteria grow under a foreskin than grow in your mouth or on your feet.

So if a person is of age, and wants said surgery, he has that option and it is his right. Likewise, if he wants to cut off all his toes to prevent the possibility of an ingrown toenail, that is his right to. And if he wants to have all his teeth surgically removed to avoid any tooth decay, that also is his right.

I do not think anyone has the right to make that decision for a child, unless it is absolutely necessary for medical reasons.

[Miserabilia]

lower HPV transmission (the vaccine is best, but doesn't cover every type of HPV), no yeast infections, lower HIV transmission (condoms are best, but circumcision actually makes condom use a lot less confusing), lower risk of UTIs, etc.
I've studied it a lot, since experiencing a guy who had it done, and I'm convinced the health benefits more than justify it and the fact it makes it more pleasurable is simply a nice side effect.


lmao but ok I guess everyone has their thing

[Falcons_11]

I'm not circumcised and I am glad my parent didn't circumcise me either. But, I believe it should be legal for religious or other cultural reasons.

I love my foreskin.