Mark of the Beast?

[Lovelife090994]

We all have heard of stories of Big Gov't watching it's citizens, but as many know it is already true. Companies track us through our phones and we are forced to enable tracking settings for certain services. Even for medical care, some say Americans may one day be microchipped. Is this the mark of the beast? For the government to have its citizens as numbers and with no privacy? Is this the future for humans to be tagged and will it be impossible to operate in this "Modern World" without the "mark"? What do you think? Also, governments always silent whistleblowers even if that country has freedom of speech. What is there to hide?

Just look no further than even "Terms of Conditions" used to download, approve, or review anything. These are usually many pages long and in rhetoric so inarticulate that do we know what we are agreeing to? Also, if you disagree then no service. So what then? Some don't use phones and email, but for a working citizen that is not possible or practical either even if it is possible. Shouls citizens care if they are watched? I mean, if you are law-abiding and taxpaying then surely you've nothing to hide. But does this still mean governments should monitor it's citizens? And what of countries with "laws" against it? In America's 4th amendment this would all be illegal, yet it happens. Why?

[Harry Smith]

Eh it's easy to see government as some big bad beast, but to be honest I think that the British government can be trusted in a legal sense-if they lock me up I can get a lawyer, go to the courts and get a fair trial. I'll admit there is bad elements of any government such as Secret Police, illegal wiretapping etc but it's not all bad

[Miserabilia]

I trust my goverment, as for the american government, It's not like I think there's a comspiracy but it's basicly a purely military state with a system based on pleasing the stupid.

[backjruton]

I don't trust anyone, I was betrayed enough times a few years back to trust anyone. If I even find it hard to trust my parents sometimes, I in no way trust the government.

[Abyssal Echo]

I trust very few people. I do not trust the government at all.

[ksdnfkfr]

Wow, that's what you choose to say. Try again, and this time make sure it really hits home. If you read what I typed then you'd know I was not talking about the book of Revelation.

You mean you actually understood that?

I really think the whole thing has to do with marketing and big business and people are commodities to be tagged just like livestock. The beast, the mark, illuminati all that = big business. Big business owns and operates the government. And I'd sound like a conspiracy kook to myself if i hadn't listened to this, because this guy was pretty level headed:

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[Cygnus]

I'm not going to talk about the US government, but my countries' government spies when I'm there, why? Because I'm in the same wi-fi network as my family, and my family is from opposition, and in my social networks I have contacts that aren't government friendly, they always have their interests, wether it is security or attacking individuals, is there anything we can do about that? Nope. Does it have to do anything with said "mark"? Nope.

[Gamma Male]

Absolutely not. Iran contra, the JFK assassination, Nsa spying, CIA herion dealing, CIA prisoner tortue, Cia arms running, the fact that Monsanto is even still allowed to exist after all of the horrible human rights violations they've commited in South America... In the words of the almighty Bill Hicks, "All policticians are lying cocksuckers."

[Miserabilia]

You mean you actually understood that?

I really think the whole thing has to do with marketing and big business and people are commodities to be tagged just like livestock. The beast, the mark, illuminati all that = big business. Big business owns and operates the government. And I'd sound like a conspiracy kook to myself if i hadn't listened to this, because this guy was pretty level headed:

yOuf69G7AQU

well that seemed okay but I'm tired of hearing "The big corporate busenes people that make all the decicions

I've come to beleive that these people don't exist.
There is noone in charge.
Everyone is taking orders from someone, but somehow there's never a person at the top; we just like to visualize it to ourselves that way.
The truth is that those big corporate busenes people are just people like us, but in a different position that is neither "higher' or "lower".

[thathelperguy]

Got a cell phone? You're being tracked. How do I know? I have an older friend that's in the military....and when he told me he WASN'T joking. Oh and btw....the settings on your phone have nothing to do with if they can track you or not.

[Celtics]

the mark of the beast is 666 or satan read up on it.

[Hyper]

well that seemed okay but I'm tired of hearing "The big corporate busenes people that make all the decicions

I've come to beleive that these people don't exist.
There is noone in charge.
Everyone is taking orders from someone, but somehow there's never a person at the top; we just like to visualize it to ourselves that way.
The truth is that those big corporate busenes people are just people like us, but in a different position that is neither "higher' or "lower".

Why is it that people have this childish notion that when someone talks about a ''controlling interest'' or ''something in charge'' they imagine some man wearing a strange hat sitting on a throne in some medieval castle.

What is so unbelievable about several individuals with great influence working together to grow their influence even more. Wether it's to make more money or influence more politics (two things that are in a synbiotic relationship).

When people have a common goal a common agenda they will work together to further that. That's basically how society is formed... It works the same way in every field of life.

If say 20 billionares can get together and make some sort of scheme, push through a legislation with their combined political influence and everyone makes 20 million more a year why is it so hard to believe that they would do it without blinking an eye?

Heck it's been proven time and time again. If the biggest businesses in the world: banks & stock markets will collude with each other to rig the markets and make profits... How is it unfeasible that a group of powerful people would continually collude with each other to influence anything and everything that affects their own personal gain.

Personally I don't think that the conspiracy theories are ''insane'' I don't believe any word for word but the concept of someone who is extremely rich and powerful getting a dose of megalomania and starting to plot to take over the world (dramatically speaking) is completely plausible in my mind.

As for the OP. Idealistically speaking I think it's wrong for anyone to be secretly monitored. Realistically speaking it happens and I suppose to an extent it has to happen. The real worrying concern is what happens when such power gets placed in the wrong hands assuming it is in ''good hands'' to begin with.

The chip thing is already happening humans have been chipped... I am sure some sort of ultra right winged/plutocrats would love a world where everyone is chipped and absolutely everything is tied to said chip.

My faith in humanity is somewhat cynical at times and somewhat positive at times so I think that as society is now everyone being chipped and having their daily lives i.e bank accounts, social security numbers etc being tied to that chip will not happen. I imagine such a thing could only become reality through cultural changes that could only happen through mass fear/panic/war.



P.S No direct dig at quoted poster.

[Miserabilia]

Why is it that people have this childish notion that when someone talks about a ''controlling interest'' or ''something in charge'' they imagine some man wearing a strange hat sitting on a throne in some medieval castle.

What is so unbelievable about several individuals with great influence working together to grow their influence even more. Wether it's to make more money or influence more politics (two things that are in a synbiotic relationship).

When people have a common goal a common agenda they will work together to further that. That's basically how society is formed... It works the same way in every field of life.

If say 20 billionares can get together and make some sort of scheme, push through a legislation with their combined political influence and everyone makes 20 million more a year why is it so hard to believe that they would do it without blinking an eye?

Heck it's been proven time and time again. If the biggest businesses in the world: banks & stock markets will collude with each other to rig the markets and make profits... How is it unfeasible that a group of powerful people would continually collude with each other to influence anything and everything that affects their own personal gain.

Personally I don't think that the conspiracy theories are ''insane'' I don't believe any word for word but the concept of someone who is extremely rich and powerful getting a dose of megalomania and starting to plot to take over the world (dramatically speaking) is completely plausible in my mind.

As for the OP. Idealistically speaking I think it's wrong for anyone to be secretly monitored. Realistically speaking it happens and I suppose to an extent it has to happen. The real worrying concern is what happens when such power gets placed in the wrong hands assuming it is in ''good hands'' to begin with.

The chip thing is already happening humans have been chipped... I am sure some sort of ultra right winged/plutocrats would love a world where everyone is chipped and absolutely everything is tied to said chip.

My faith in humanity is somewhat cynical at times and somewhat positive at times so I think that as society is now everyone being chipped and having their daily lives i.e bank accounts, social security numbers etc being tied to that chip will not happen. I imagine such a thing could only become reality through cultural changes that could only happen through mass fear/panic/war.



P.S No direct dig at quoted poster.


All that stuff at the start is perfectly beleivable,
but what's not beleivable is that there's an evil combined power illuminati that plans on controlling the world, because there is never a single group of people, because anyone can rise higher to the top and anyone at the top can fall down, since our system is not a perfect pyramid;
an actual illuminati would only be possible in a pyramid society.

[Hyper]

Our society may not be a pure pyramid society but in some ways it is.

Wealth is highly heredetary, ''going to the top'' is a lot harder when your family is not connected in the business & political world.

I would imagine there are several groups of people with their own agenda ''lluminati'' like and all that membership is likely heredetary and saturated usually to ''families of wealth''.

That's all :P

[Miserabilia]

Our society may not be a pure pyramid society but in some ways it is.

Wealth is highly heredetary, ''going to the top'' is a lot harder when your family is not connected in the business & political world.

I would imagine there are several groups of people with their own agenda ''lluminati'' like and all that membership is likely heredetary and saturated usually to ''families of wealth''.

That's all :P

I guess :)

[Stronk Serb]

Myself is my true king. I don't trust the government, but if I csn benefit from it, I will follow it.

[Menzis]

No, I do not trust them, I believe there will be a "New World order" Search on google to know more of what it is.