Interesting quote that I found.

[UTurn]

Hey guys so I found this quote and I wanna see what everyone thinks about it. Please keep it mature; if you can't handle a mature discussion please refrain from posting.

Here's the quote:
"You can laugh at Christianity. You can mock and ridicule it. But it works. If you trust Christ, start watching your attitudes and actions-Jesus Christ is in the business of changing lives."

I think this quote is so accurate, mainly because I am a wholehearted Christian. Jesus has changed my life, and nothing will change my mind on that.

But maybe some of you have questions or comments for me; I'd love to hear them. I might not always have a definite right answer but I probably have an opinion.

Can't wait to hear from everyone!

[darthearth]

The problem is that people who haven't experienced it won't know anything about it. I think Jesus only really comes to those that truly believe in him - do you think that's true? People who haven't experienced will just say you're imagining things, or something like that.

[Gamma Male]

The problem is that people who haven't experienced it won't know anything about it. I think Jesus only really comes to those that truly believe in him - do you think that's true? People who haven't experienced will just say you're imagining things, or something like that.

I was raised a strict baptist christian the first 10 years of my life, but then decided on my own it wasn't true. How come Jesus never "came to me"?

[Ethe14]

I am fairly religious however I don't think Jesus has come to me yet. On occasion I believe he has but not more than twice in my life. However I still keep my faith in him and in god.

[Mushin]

That quote is just applying the nature of subconscious attraction to a religuous doctrine. It doesn't prove that jesus/christianity performs miracles. You can accomplish the same thing by having faith in your inner self.

[conniption]

This hardly proves accepting Christ will magically improve your life. Does this mean that your life will always suck, unless you convert to Christianity? Definitely not. All you need is willpower and faith in yourself--faith in a supernatural being is optional and not totally necessary.

[Harry Smith]

You can laugh at the spaghetti monster. You can mock and ridicule it. But it works. If you trust the spaghetti monster, start watching your attitudes and actions-the spaghetti god is in the business of changing lives.

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[Lovelife090994]

You can laugh at the spaghetti monster. You can mock and ridicule it. But it works. If you trust the spaghetti monster, start watching your attitudes and actions-the spaghetti god is in the business of changing lives.

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Even Pastafarianism can work for some. You do realize it is a branching faith that copying much of Christianity's idea right? Some things to it I don't get since spaghetti has to be made, but whatever a person wants, right?

[Harry Smith]

You do realize it is a branching faith that copying much of Christianity's idea right?

Lol not really, it was set up in an extension of the Russells teapot to show the stupidty of religion. The only similarity it has with Christianity is that it says that in Hell the strippers all have STDs. They oppose creationism being taught in school, it's pretty much a parody.

[Miserabilia]

Even Pastafarianism can work for some. You do realize it is a branching faith that copying much of Christianity's idea right? Some things to it I don't get since spaghetti has to be made, but whatever a person wants, right?

You do realize that the entire pastafarianism is a cynical example of how anything can be a religion, right?
I really hope you do.

Anyway, let's not get off track here.
About the qoute;
different things work for different people I guess.
My life actualy took a turn to the better when I stopped beleiving in a god.

[Typhlosion]

"If you think happy thoughts, you can do it!" - What I read.

[Professor Moopicorn]

I don't get why every non-believer has to be so urgent to prove that God isn't real! Why can't you just say that it's good that you think that or it's good that you are trusting God instead of saying stuff like "God isn't real because theres no proof," "God never did anything for what's-his-face" or "God is pointless and stupid and not real." Why can't you just let people believe what they want and be happy about it without putting them down? Shame on you. I'm a Christian and so far in these forums I've only been offended by people who call Christianity stupid and a children's story! I think I'm just going to stay out of the Ramblings of the wise section all together because it's realy just a place for non-believers to put down Christians!

[Typhlosion]

I don't get why every non-believer has to be so urgent to prove that God isn't real! Why can't you just say that it's good that you think that or it's good that you are trusting God instead of saying stuff like "God isn't real because theres no proof," "God never did anything for what's-his-face" or "God is pointless and stupid and not real." Why can't you just let people believe what they want and be happy about it without putting them down? Shame on you. I'm a Christian and so far in these forums I've only been offended by people who call Christianity stupid and a children's story! I think I'm just going to stay out of the Ramblings of the wise section all together because it's realy just a place for non-believers to put down Christians! Why can't we be negative about a few things too? I understand that it may offend you, but don't always take it as a personal attack. As the original post gave his word in favor of christianism, we can also give our word towards our own beliefs. Oh, and not all believe that it's good that one trusts Yahweh or believes in him. This is a discussion/debate sub-forum, expect that.

[darkangel91]

I don't like religion, as a rule. Irrational thinking annoys me. But many of the best role models in history were devout Christians, Muslims, Buddhists, etc. Religion may be unscientific. But I respect it for its positive effects on the world.

[Professor Moopicorn]

Why can't we be negative about a few things too? I understand that it may offend you, but don't always take it as a personal attack. As the original post gave his word in favor of christianism, we can also give our word towards our own beliefs. Oh, and not all believe that it's good that one trusts Yahweh or believes in him. This is a discussion/debate sub-forum, expect that.

From some of the comments I've had on other threads, I think I've had enough negativity. They're calling Christianity a stupid fairytale to my face so you can understand why I don't like negativity.

[Miserabilia]

I don't get why every non-believer has to be so urgent to prove that God isn't real! Why can't you just say that it's good that you think that or it's good that you are trusting God instead of saying stuff like "God isn't real because theres no proof," "God never did anything for what's-his-face" or "God is pointless and stupid and not real." Why can't you just let people believe what they want and be happy about it without putting them down? Shame on you. I'm a Christian and so far in these forums I've only been offended by people who call Christianity stupid and a children's story! I think I'm just going to stay out of the Ramblings of the wise section all together because it's realy just a place for non-believers to put down Christians!

Nobody is trying to proove that there is no god, firstly it's impossible, secondly it isn't needed.
Simply stating that there's no proof for a god is enough.
Why can't you just let people believe what they want and be happy about it without putting them down? Shame on you.
- People enter a debate thread
- Debate starts
Listen, if they are "put down" by it, than that's completely their own fault and responsibility. Stop acting like a victim of hate because people have different thoughts in debate. If you don't even concider debating your opinion, don't go to a debate thread and show it to the world.
Also, in this whole little post of yours, don't you sound pretty offensive yourself towards non christian users of the forum? (By your logic, I mean)



From some of the comments I've had on other threads, I think I've had enough negativity. They're calling Christianity a stupid fairytale to my face so you can understand why I don't like negativity.

Lol, "stupid fairytale", I don't think anyone said that. If they did, well they have every right to say it, just lke you have every right to say you don't. ROTW if discussion and debate. Don't like it? Than don't go, like you said, don't participate in the discussion if you appearently can't.

[lyhom]

Personally, I don't really have anything to add to the OP's quote. It just seems like a rehash of the "...think happy thoughts..." quote that Magmagan posted earlier. Hey, if it helps you, go ahead.

(A) I don't get why every non-believer has to be so urgent to prove that God isn't real! (B) Why can't you just say that it's good that you think that or it's good that you are trusting God instead of saying stuff like "God isn't real because theres no proof," "God never did anything for what's-his-face" or "God is pointless and stupid and not real." (C) Why can't you just let people believe what they want and be happy about it without putting them down? Shame on you. I'm a Christian and so far in these forums I've only been offended by people who call Christianity stupid and a children's story! (D) I think I'm just going to stay out of the Ramblings of the wise section all together because it's realy just a place for non-believers to put down Christians!

(A) If you're only talking about this forum, all I see them doing is giving reasons on why they don't believe in a god. From what I've seen, you're doing the same thing with your beliefs, so I don't really see much of a problem here. Sure, maybe some of them aren't sugarcoating their opinion that much, but as long as they aren't breaking the rules, it's not that big of a deal.

(B) This is the debate section. Again, they're giving and justifying their opinions, just like you are.

(C) The examples you gave before are attacking the belief, not the person with the belief. If you're offended, fine, but not everybody has the same sensitivity level as you, nor do they absolutely need to respect it. (It would be nice, but we don't get what we want all of the time.)

(D) Hey, if you don't think you can handle it, that's fine. There's more forums that you can enjoy, and I hope that you can enjoy them.

(Also, sorry if this seems like overkill. I made this before I saw cheesee's post, and I thought I did add a slight bit to this. :P)

[Professor Moopicorn]

Nobody is trying to proove that there is no god, firstly it's impossible, secondly it isn't needed.
Simply stating that there's no proof for a god is enough.

- People enter a debate thread
- Debate starts
Listen, if they are "put down" by it, than that's completely their own fault and responsibility. Stop acting like a victim of hate because people have different thoughts in debate. If you don't even concider debating your opinion, don't go to a debate thread and show it to the world.
Also, in this whole little post of yours, don't you sound pretty offensive yourself towards non christian users of the forum? (By your logic, I mean)



Lol, "stupid fairytale", I don't think anyone said that. If they did, well they have every right to say it, just lke you have every right to say you don't. ROTW if discussion and debate. Don't like it? Than don't go, like you said, don't participate in the discussion if you appearently can't.

Look, I just think people shouldn't be so offensive. Not necessarily not post your point of view. In my eyes calling someone's religion a stupid fairytale is unnecessary to a debate and is clearly just trying to offend someone. You would be better off saying something like "Well I believe this" or "I don't think that's right, this is what I think." Not just bluntly offending their beliefs.

Also, you said that there is no proof God exists. That may be true but do you have any proof he doesn't exist?

[Miserabilia]

Look, I just think people shouldn't be so offensive. Not necessarily not post your point of view. In my eyes calling someone's religion a stupid fairytale is unnecessary to a debate and is clearly just trying to offend someone. You would be better off saying something like "Well I believe this" or "I don't think that's right, this is what I think." Not just bluntly offending their beliefs.

Also, you said that there is no proof God exists. That may be true but do you have any proof he doesn't exist?

You don't need proof that something doesn't exist.
I and plenty of other people have been over this many times and I'm sure that if you looked into this you'd find people that can explain this better than me.

The one that makes the claim needs to give the evidence.
Theists claim the existence of a god, as there is no evidence, there's no need for me to beleive in one.
It's also impossible to DISproove flying tacos, GHOSTS, demons, fairys, woodspirits, gryfins, dragons, etc, etc, but that doesn't make it any more plausible for them to exist.

[Lovelife090994]

You do realize that the entire pastafarianism is a cynical example of how anything can be a religion, right?
I really hope you do.

Anyway, let's not get off track here.
About the qoute;
different things work for different people I guess.
My life actualy took a turn to the better when I stopped beleiving in a god.

That is where I think you are missing something. Faith does not work for everyone, but some people need the belief of a God or a Heaven and Hell for hope and solace. Your life may have gotten better for you, but for some that does not work.

[Gigablue]

That is where I think you are missing something. Faith does not work for everyone, but some people need the belief of a God or a Heaven and Hell for hope and solace. Your life may have gotten better for you, but for some that does not work.

People may feel better and derive solace from their faith, but that doesn't justify it.

Whether religious people are happier is a somewhat contentious issue. It has been studied, but there isn't yet a definitive conclusion. However, I don't deny that there are definitely some people who would be much less happy if not for their religion.

However, no matter how happy a belief makes you, that doesn't make it true. There are many things I would like to believe in, but simply can't, since the evidence isn't there.

[Lovelife090994]

People may feel better and derive solace from their faith, but that doesn't justify it.

Whether religious people are happier is a somewhat contentious issue. It has been studied, but there isn't yet a definitive conclusion. However, I don't deny that there are definitely some people who would be much less happy if not for their religion.

However, no matter how happy a belief makes you, that doesn't make it true. There are many things I would like to believe in, but simply can't, since the evidence isn't there.

Did I say it makes it true? No. But I must impress that not everything in this world has evidence let alone evidence all will accept. Religious people go through all the things we all do but usually religious people are happier or at least try to stay positive.

[UTurn]

I'd like to point out that saying there is "no evidence for God" is not accurate. There is plenty of evidence for a god, it just depends on whether you believe it or not, hence the millions of people who do believe in a god. I think everyone should read the book "Mere Christianity"; it is a very interesting book and it has a lot of good points from CS Lewis about why there clearly is a god, but also why Christianity is right.

I would also like to say that just because you do not agree with Christianity doesn't mean you have to put it down. It is very possible to say that you don't think it is true and explain why without using unrealistic examples like a flying spaghetti monster.

:)

[Vlerchan]

I'd like to point out that saying there is "no evidence for God" is not accurate. There is plenty of evidence for a god.

Please provide this evidence. Thank you.

[UTurn]

Well complexity is a good place to start.

Think about how complex the universe and the planets are. If anything was even a degree off from its precise accuracy, then there would be no possibility for human life.

Also, the body is incredibly complex as well. The cells are so small and yet have such an amazing amount of detail. DNA is microscopic, yet it can hold more information than a supercomputer can.

Stuff like this just is not realistic to think that it happened by chance. The odds, which have been calculated by scientists who do not believe in a god, are astronomical and unrealistic.

Of course, there are ideas like the idea that there are an infinite number of universes, but there is no proof whatsoever of that.

To me anyways, believing in a god, not necessarily God, but a god, makes a lot more sense than thinking that the universe was created, in all of its complexity and detail, by chance.

Not saying that science is wrong in all aspects, just a few.

[Vlerchan]

Think about how complex the universe and the planets are. If anything was even a degree off from its precise accuracy, then there would be no possibility for human life.
This doesn't prove god's existence.

And whilst obtaining the perfect conditions for human life to thrive - and I stress 'human' here because plenty of species live and have lived in conditions that we might consider inhospitable - this isn't as extraordinary as you'd think it is: when there's millions upon millions (if not billions) of planets one being habitable becomes a lot more likely. Regardless, arguing that an event could not have occurred without divine intervention because it is highly improbable that such might occur is fallacious: I could use the same in relation to the national lottery.

Also, the body is incredibly complex as well. The cells are so small and yet have such an amazing amount of detail. DNA is microscopic, yet it can hold more information than a supercomputer can.
This doesn't prove god's existence.

This also fails in assuming that design is an objective quality; that every single person past, present and especially future is going to find the human body to be so well designed. In reality the ability to discern design is a product of cultural context; I'm sure the original computers were considered to be of superb design by their original-designers, but to modern computer-designers they're awful.

Stuff like this just is not realistic to think that it happened by chance.
In your opinion.

I'm certainly okay with not believing that some intelligent designer was responsible for it.

The odds, which have been calculated by scientists who do not believe in a god, are astronomical and unrealistic.
Please present these odds. Thank you.

Of course, there are ideas like the idea that there are an infinite number of universes, but there is no proof whatsoever of that.
And so, like your intelligent designer, I don't believe in the multiverse theory either.

Not saying that science is wrong in all aspects, just a few.
Science only makes claims when they can be objectively proven to be correct.

Science, consequently, has never claimed that an intelligent designer might not be responsible for the creation of the universe.

[UTurn]

Science only makes claims when they can be objectively proven to be correct.

Science, consequently, has never claimed that an intelligent designer might not be responsible for the creation of the universe.

Explaining the origin of the universe as the result of chance is definitely science saying that an intelligent designer is not responsible for the creation of the universe. The majority of scientists and textbooks do not acknowledge that there is a possibility for a creator; the scientific community, in general, shoots down the idea of a god in every way. They do not, however, in general shoot down the multiverse theory, which, of the two, there is more evidence for intelligent design.

Basically, all evidence for either viewpoint is going to be shot down because you (general you not necessarily you you) have an already set viewpoint and don't look at the facts holistically.

[Vlerchan]

Explaining the origin of the universe as the result of chance is definitely science saying that an intelligent designer is not responsible for the creation of the universe.
If scientists support chance it's because the available evidence leans towards such being the most likely answer.

Though, I'd love if you could provide an article as written by a reputable scientist/science-organization that states that the universe forming as a result of chance is the only possibility, and that there is no chance that an intelligent designer might have been involved. It doesn't have to be written in those exact words, but it has to be more than just implied - because once we start trying to judge what's implied it starts getting messy.

The majority of scientists and textbooks do not acknowledge that there is a possibility for a creator; the scientific community, in general, shoots down the idea of a god in every way.
This is because there's no evidence supporting the idea of a god. This absence of evidence then lends itself to the support of other theories. That doesn't mean that these other theories are correct, it just means that they are more likely to be pushed.

They do not, however, in general shoot down the multiverse theory, which, of the two, there is more evidence for intelligent design.
There is no evidence for either.

The multiverse theory leaves a lot of room for interesting possibilities however, which might be one reason why it's more discussed in academic circles - though, I doubt with much weight. Honestly though, I've never noticed.

Basically, all evidence for either viewpoint is going to be shot down because you have an already set viewpoint and don't look at the facts holistically.
This is untrue.

If you've evidence supporting your claims then science will gladly accept it. You inferring stuff from observations (in this case: your earlier argument from complexity) is not evidence. There is no facts supporting the idea of a god to look at holistically.

[Gigablue]

Think about how complex the universe and the planets are. If anything was even a degree off from its precise accuracy, then there would be no possibility for human life.

And if that were the case, we wouldn't be alive to marvel about how rare everything is. There is a selective bias.

Also, the body is incredibly complex as well. The cells are so small and yet have such an amazing amount of detail. DNA is microscopic, yet it can hold more information than a supercomputer can.

Cells and DNA were shaped by billions of years of evolution. Natural selection favours efficiency, so cells became as efficient as possible. If we had the same amount of time to design supercomputers, we could make something way more amazing than DNA.

Of course, there are ideas like the idea that there are an infinite number of universes, but there is no proof whatsoever of that.

The idea of a multiverse is theoretical. The math works, but there isn't any evidence. However, science acknowledges that we haven't tested the hypothesis yet, and treats it with the appropriate level of skepticism.

To me anyways, believing in a god, not necessarily God, but a god, makes a lot more sense than thinking that the universe was created, in all of its complexity and detail, by chance.

How did god come about? How did god create the universe? Why is it that god created the universe to look exactly as if it arose without a god? Positing a god adds no predictive or explanatory power, and raises a great many new questions?

Not saying that science is wrong in all aspects, just a few.

Science is wrong in many ways, but science is constantly fixing itself.

Explaining the origin of the universe as the result of chance is definitely science saying that an intelligent designer is not responsible for the creation of the universe.

Not necessarily. An intelligent designer could have used the Big Bang to create the universe, evolution to create life, etc. However, there isn't any evidence for that. Science doesn't rule it out, but there is no reason to think it is true. There are infinitely many untestable hypotheses, which science can't, and therefore doesn't, deal with.

The majority of scientists and textbooks do not acknowledge that there is a possibility for a creator;

An intelligent designer is one in infinitely many untestable hypotheses. Science is busy learning about the universe, and can't afford to waste its time dealing with untestable claims.

the scientific community, in general, shoots down the idea of a god in every way.

No. Science doesn't make any claims about the supernatural. Science doesn't claim that a god exists or doesn't exist, it merely tries to discover how the universe works. I just so happens that whenever science examines something previously attributed to god, science takes god out of the equation. This is not, however, a conspiracy of science against religion, rather, it is just us learning more about the nature of things.

They do not, however, in general shoot down the multiverse theory, which, of the two, there is more evidence for intelligent design.

The multiverse is possible as a mathematical model. We know how the multiverse should work, and many of the principles of quantum mechanics say it should exist. God, on the other hand, is little more than a vague idea. No two people even define god in exactly the same way. If we could agree on a coherent definition for god, then we could move forward, but that hasn't happened. If you want science to take god seriously, create a valid mathematical model.

Basically, all evidence for either viewpoint is going to be shot down because you (general you not necessarily you you) have an already set viewpoint and don't look at the facts holistically.

Science looks at all the facts, and there is no compelling evidence for god. Whenever we try to explain a previously unexplained phenomenon using only naturalistic explanations, we succeed. There may be a god, but our data have yet to show it.

[UTurn]

Ok well if you don't see the evidence for a creator through science, then please explain to me how there can be any sort of ethics and morality without God.

[Vlerchan]

Ok well if you don't see the evidence for a creator through science, then please explain to me how there can be any sort of ethics and morality without God.

I'm an ethical-nililist. I don't believe that there is some absolute system of morality or ethics or that there is objective rights or wrongs. It's all socially-constructed. If I preach morality or ethics it's because I believe that such values might aid in human interaction or the functioning of society. There does not need be a god for me to realise that it would be difficult for society to function if murder was not actively condemned - that's just common sense.

And it's not that we don't see the evidence as much as there is no evidence to see.

[abc983055235235231a]

Ok well if you don't see the evidence for a creator through science, then please explain to me how there can be any sort of ethics and morality without God.

If God gives us ethics, then you are saying that it is completely arbitrary which things are good and which things are bad. Killing is wrong just because God happened to feel like it was wrong. Kindness is good just because God happened to feel like it was good. In other words, there is nothing about murder itself which makes it bad; it is only bad because God says it is. I find this account of ethics to be highly suspect.

When it is said that God is all good, it doesn't mean that things are good or bad because God says that they are. Things are good or bad independent of God. God just doesn't do those things which are bad.

So yeah, ethics aren't dependent on God in any way.

[Miserabilia]

Ok well if you don't see the evidence for a creator through science, then please explain to me how there can be any sort of ethics and morality without God.

First of all we are born with an ability to determine ethics and morality, secondly they form out of themselves within social groups.

[DarkOmega]

You can laugh at the spaghetti monster. You can mock and ridicule it. But it works. If you trust the spaghetti monster, start watching your attitudes and actions-the spaghetti god is in the business of changing lives.

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this ^ exactly .. this whole post made me laugh

From some of the comments I've had on other threads, I think I've had enough negativity. They're calling Christianity a stupid fairytale to my face so you can understand why I don't like negativity.

well sorry .the truth hurts.. it is stupid .. I don;t care if u believe in a god . doesn;t affect me .but religion ? if u follow one and u cherry pick what u thinks its right wrong then its stupid .it also affect the lives of millions of people .. because of religion. wars happened . gays or bi don't have full right in some places .they are still teaching religion in schools in some places .do u want me to go on ?
let me say this . If a being can perform any action, then it should be able to create a task which this being is unable to perform; hence, this being cannot perform all actions. Yet, on the other hand, if this being cannot create a task that it is unable to perform, then there exists something it cannot do.

Please do not double post. -Cygnus David

[Professor Moopicorn]

well sorry .the truth hurts.. it is stupid .. I don;t care if u believe in a god . doesn;t affect me .but religion ? if u follow one and u cherry pick what u thinks its right wrong then its stupid .it also affect the lives of millions of people .. because of religion. wars happened . gays or bi don't have full right in some places .they are still teaching religion in schools in some places .do u want me to go on ?
let me say this . If a being can perform any action, then it should be able to create a task which this being is unable to perform; hence, this being cannot perform all actions. Yet, on the other hand, if this being cannot create a task that it is unable to perform, then there exists something it cannot do.

Ok, we don't "cherry pick" what we want to follow. We follow Gods word, even if it's hard to do. Sure religions may start wars sometimes but they are mainly started over political disputes. Gay's and Bi's don't get rites because of governments, not religion. I will admit some religions look down on homosexual people, but, at least in 1st world countries, religious people won't try to stop homosexuality. As for teaching religion in schools, I don't see why that is bad. You can choose what school to go to, either a religious school or a public school. I myself go to a Christian school and it is a great school!

let me say this . If a being can perform any action, then it should be able to create a task which this being is unable to perform; hence, this being cannot perform all actions. Yet, on the other hand, if this being cannot create a task that it is unable to perform, then there exists something it cannot do.

What do you mean by this? It sounds like you are trying to say something deep and meaningful, but are failing. It just sounds like jiberish to me. Do you mean that if someone who can do anything would be able to create something he can't do? If so, why are you telling me this? It has nothing to do with what you were talking about.

[DarkOmega]

Ok, we don't "cherry pick" what we want to follow. We follow Gods word, even if it's hard to do. Sure religions may start wars sometimes but they are mainly started over political disputes. Gay's and Bi's don't get rites because of governments, not religion. I will admit some religions look down on homosexual people, but, at least in 1st world countries, religious people won't try to stop homosexuality. As for teaching religion in schools, I don't see why that is bad. You can choose what school to go to, either a religious school or a public school. I myself go to a Christian school and it is a great school!



What do you mean by this? It sounds like you are trying to say something deep and meaningful, but are failing. It just sounds like jiberish to me. Do you mean that if someone who can do anything would be able to create something he can't do? If so, why are you telling me this? It has nothing to do with what you were talking about.

typical religious person .. what I mean by that is .that if a god can create anything then he could create a rock that is to heavy to lift , but if he can create a rock that is to heavy to lift, he is not all powerful .hence the paradox , and u cherry pick so much out of the bible . do u have a bear? do u have sandals ? do only guys go to school ? girls can't go to school. did u read that in the bible. in fact did u even read the bible ?do girls marry their rapist ? of course it sounds like jiberish to u since u don't understand anything

[Vlerchan]

Ok, we don't "cherry pick" what we want to follow.
Christians do.

Which isn't necessarily a bad thing given some of the content in the Old Testament.

Sure religions may start wars sometimes but they are mainly started over political disputes ...
... brought on by religion.

Gay's and Bi's don't get rites because of governments ...
... catering to the whims of religious people.

I will admit some religions look down on homosexual people, but, at least in 1st world countries, religious people won't try to stop homosexuality.
Yes, they do.

As for teaching religion in schools, I don't see why that is bad.
I'll add that I don't necessarily see this as a bad thing either.

It doesn't really make that much of a difference to the teaching outside the three classes off for the Christmas carol service. And the three religion classes we do a week - which don't focus on Christianity but rather philosophy in general - are actually interesting enough.

[Lovelife090994]

typical religious person .. what I mean by that is .that if a god can create anything then he could create a rock that is to heavy to lift , but if he can create a rock that is to heavy to lift, he is not all powerful .hence the paradox , and u cherry pick so much out of the bible . do u have a bear? do u have sandals ? do only guys go to school ? girls can't go to school. did u read that in the bible. in fact did u even read the bible ?do girls marry their rapist ? of course it sounds like jiberish to u since u don't understand anything

Typical religious person? Who are you to put yourself above a human? God is above paradoxes. His way of working transcends our thought. He can make a rock as heavy as him but since he is God and God can do anything then he can move that said rock. Those old laws you mentioned are rooted in Jewish traditions. I can explain them to you if you wish.

[DarkOmega]

Typical religious person? Who are you to put yourself above a human? God is above paradoxes. His way of working transcends our thought. He can make a rock as heavy as him but since he is God and God can do anything then he can move that said rock. Those old laws you mentioned are rooted in Jewish traditions. I can explain them to you if you wish.

again typical religious person .I didn't put myself above a human . no he 's not .he doesn't fucking exist. this paradox has existed since the times of the romans .no . that's the paradox . if he can make a rock that is to heavy to lift he's not all powerful. if he can't make a rock that's too heavy to lift .then he can't do that. so there's something he can't do . do u want me do draw it for u ? maybe u can understand it better? and this had nothing to do with jewish traditions
this is where ur logic fails .. when I say something like this u immediately say that god can do that because he's god .. nope .. same bullshit like saying , god works in mysterious ways
and one more thing. if nobody was to tell u of god .like ur parents or people raising u or living with you .you would have no idea there even is a concept of a god .. that's like me indoctrinating a generation that there's a flying spaghetti monster in the sky and that's our god . then they will do the same as their kids . get it ?

[Professor Moopicorn]

typical religious person .. what I mean by that is .that if a god can create anything then he could create a rock that is to heavy to lift , but if he can create a rock that is to heavy to lift, he is not all powerful .hence the paradox , and u cherry pick so much out of the bible . do u have a bear? do u have sandals ? do only guys go to school ? girls can't go to school. did u read that in the bible. in fact did u even read the bible ?do girls marry their rapist ? of course it sounds like jiberish to u since u don't understand anything

Ok you have this SO wrong it's not even funny.

God does not have to be logical or follow the laws of physics because he is God and he works in ways that the human race can't understand. It doesn't make sense but that's how God works. He doesn't need to follow rules of any sort but he does out of the goodness of his heart. Paradoxes don't work on him.

Christian people do not cherry pick out of the bible, they just don't follow everything that happens in the bible. The bible tells a story! It isn't a big book of rules! It can guide you how to live God's way, but you have to choose to follow it. God can't make you follow his word. Also, when the bible talks about people who own slaves and wear sandals, that's just telling the story! What you follow is the moral of the story. Obviously you think that to follow the bible properly, you have to do everything that they did, own everything they owned and go everywhere they went, like you are trying to reenact the bible. That's not how it works. For example, the story of Daniel and the lions (Daniel ch 6). You should know the story of how Daniel is thrown into the lions den for worshiping God instead of the king. He was meant to die in the pit, but he trusted God to protect him and he sent angels to stop the lions and he survived. Afterwards, the king came back and saw that the LORD had protected Daniel, and allowed the worship of his LORD again. Now, what you are meant to get out of this story is that if you trust in God to protect you, even when all odds are against you, he will. But if you did it your way, you would have to go and jump into a pit full of lions and wait a night to see if God protects you. That is not the way to do it.

[DarkOmega]

Ok you have this SO wrong it's not even funny.

God does not have to be logical or follow the laws of physics because he is God and he works in ways that the human race can't understand. It doesn't make sense but that's how God works. He doesn't need to follow rules of any sort but he does out of the goodness of his heart. Paradoxes don't work on him.

Christian people do not cherry pick out of the bible, they just don't follow everything that happens in the bible. The bible tells a story! It isn't a big book of rules! It can guide you how to live God's way, but you have to choose to follow it. God can't make you follow his word. Also, when the bible talks about people who own slaves and wear sandals, that's just telling the story! What you follow is the moral of the story. Obviously you think that to follow the bible properly, you have to do everything that they did, own everything they owned and go everywhere they went, like you are trying to reenact the bible. That's not how it works. For example, the story of Daniel and the lions (Daniel ch 6). You should know the story of how Daniel is thrown into the lions den for worshiping God instead of the king. He was meant to die in the pit, but he trusted God to protect him and he sent angels to stop the lions and he survived. Afterwards, the king came back and saw that the LORD had protected Daniel, and allowed the worship of his LORD again. Now, what you are meant to get out of this story is that if you trust in God to protect you, even when all odds are against you, he will. But if you did it your way, you would have to go and jump into a pit full of lions and wait a night to see if God protects you. That is not the way to do it.

so I have it wrong .god does not have to be logic .what kinda fucked up world do u live in ? again .stop with the bullshit of god working in mysterious ways. if ur 2 stupid to comprehend it don't mention it , and do u know how much hypocrisy is in religion and the bible etc
and if u follow god's word .then u would follow the whole bible .not cherry pick it .again hypocrisy ..and for ur information u should know that the bible was written 4 months after the "resurrection" of jesus by roman politicians .not by prophets etc . so shut the hell up if u don't know ur facts.. and god not following logic and physics .bitch please .no shit if he doesn't exist , he doesn't have to follow it cause he's god. well nope ,wrong again .. he works in mysterious ways ? bullshit . he doesn't do shit tell that to everybody that suffers for no reason , see how mysterious that shit is , do u want me to mention all the gods that had the same stupid story ? and all the gods that were made up ?


Christian people do not cherry pick out of the bible, they just don't follow everything that happens in the bible. The bible tells a story! that's what u said and proves my point . when u don't follow everything in the bible . ur cherry picking . and yes the bible is a story of folktales and fairy tales completely made up

[Lovelife090994]

again typical religious person .I didn't put myself above a human . no he 's not .he doesn't fucking exist. this paradox has existed since the times of the romans .no . that's the paradox . if he can make a rock that is to heavy to lift he's not all powerful. if he can't make a rock that's too heavy to lift .then he can't do that. so there's something he can't do . do u want me do draw it for u ? maybe u can understand it better? and this had nothing to do with jewish traditions
this is where ur logic fails .. when I say something like this u immediately say that god can do that because he's god .. nope .. same bullshit like saying , god works in mysterious ways
and one more thing. if nobody was to tell u of god .like ur parents or people raising u or living with you .you would have no idea there even is a concept of a god .. that's like me indoctrinating a generation that there's a flying spaghetti monster in the sky and that's our god . then they will do the same as their kids . get it ?

You don't get it do you? Have you any idea how many Christians were not from a Christian home? And who are you to say God does not exist? I would never say that another god doesn't exist to another person. That is low. And what is with this typical stufff? The Old Testament was from before Jesus' time and is mostly of the Torah, the New Testament came after. The Bible is a book of history, songs, praises, and stories, you don't do a history but you can learn from them. The flying spaghetti monster is real to many people. Or are you going to insult their religion too? When you think yourself highly enough to insult one's faith then you are no better than a zealot who infringes beliefs to another. So sir, I get it, you don't. We are still human even though we are religious, casting us aside is terrible. Let he who hasn't sinned cast the first stone. No one should cast a stone because no one is perfect. Not even Saint Peter was perfect.

[Professor Moopicorn]

again typical religious person .I didn't put myself above a human . no he 's not .he doesn't fucking exist. this paradox has existed since the times of the romans .no . that's the paradox . if he can make a rock that is to heavy to lift he's not all powerful. if he can't make a rock that's too heavy to lift .then he can't do that. so there's something he can't do . do u want me do draw it for u ? maybe u can understand it better? and this had nothing to do with jewish traditions
this is where ur logic fails .. when I say something like this u immediately say that god can do that because he's god .. nope .. same bullshit like saying , god works in mysterious ways
and one more thing. if nobody was to tell u of god .like ur parents or people raising u or living with you .you would have no idea there even is a concept of a god .. that's like me indoctrinating a generation that there's a flying spaghetti monster in the sky and that's our god . then they will do the same as their kids . get it ?

Wow. Just wow.

this is where ur logic fails

Well I think it's your logic failing here. You're just saying things and expecting them to be true, without even thinking about any sort of evidence to your claim. We have the bible as our evidence, but you just say what you think and dismiss it as true because you can.

and one more thing. if nobody was to tell u of god .like ur parents or people raising u or living with you .you would have no idea there even is a concept of a god .. that's like me indoctrinating a generation that there's a flying spaghetti monster in the sky and that's our god . then they will do the same as their kids . get it ?

I have many friends that started out as atheists but have come to know God by themselves. You don't need a Christian family to introduce you to God to become a Christian. It's your own choice.

P.S. Please don't put spaces before full stops and commas. It makes it very hard to read your messages.

[DarkOmega]

You don't get it do you? Have you any idea how many Christians were not from a Christian home? And who are you to say God does not exist? I would never say that another god doesn't exist to another person. That is low. And what is with this typical stufff? The Old Testament was from before Jesus' time and is mostly of the Torah, the New Testament came after. The Bible is a book of history, songs, praises, and stories, you don't do a history but you can learn from them. The flying spaghetti monster is real to many people. Or are you going to insult their religion too? When you think yourself highly enough to insult one's faith then you are no better than a zealot who infringes beliefs to another. So sir, I get it, you don't. We are still human even though we are religious, casting us aside is terrible. Let he who hasn't sinned cast the first stone. No one should cast a stone because no one is perfect. Not even Saint Peter was perfect.

who am I to say god doesn't exist? me.just me . he doesn't to bad .do u still believe in santa? how is that low ? telling the truth hurts .sry ..bible , the book of history ? then the book, "history of wars" is the sequel , I don't insult it .I just say my point of view .but if its stupid . its stupid . u are thought that I'm obligated to deal with ur shit . or believe or respect ur faith ..well no .I'm not yes u are human .never said anything about that. my best friend is a very religious person .but he actually thinks .he listens to facts .he doesn't just believe god works in mysterious ways and shit like that

[Lovelife090994]

so I have it wrong .god does not have to be logic .what kinda fucked up world do u live in ? again .stop with the bullshit of god working in mysterious ways. if ur 2 stupid to comprehend it don't mention it , and do u know how much hypocrisy is in religion and the bible etc
and if u follow god's word .then u would follow the whole bible .not cherry pick it .again hypocrisy ..and for ur information u should know that the bible was written 4 months after the "resurrection" of jesus by roman politicians .not by prophets etc . so shut the hell up if u don't know ur facts.. and god not following logic and physics .bitch please .no shit if he doesn't exist , he doesn't have to follow it cause he's god. well nope ,wrong again .. he works in mysterious ways ? bullshit . he doesn't do shit tell that to everybody that suffers for no reason , see how mysterious that shit is , do u want me to mention all the gods that had the same stupid story ? and all the gods that were made up ?


Christian people do not cherry pick out of the bible, they just don't follow everything that happens in the bible. The bible tells a story! that's what u said and proves my point . when u don't follow everything in the bible . ur cherry picking . and yes the bible is a story of folktales and fairy tales completely made up

By God, you are dense. I pray the Lord grants you with wisdom soon. To say the Bible is a folktale is ignorant. The Bible os a book full of history
from Creation, to the Plagues of Egypt, to Jesus' Crucifixion, the Romans, historical figures, and more. By your logic, Susa and Esther are nothing, Egypt never had Hebrew slaves, and Jesus never existed which are all wrong. Read the Bible first before you act as if you know it. You can't keep denying something because you don't believe in it. Not even a religious person would do that. The Bible is a history of early Judean history, some Egyptian and Persian history, it tells of the Hitites briefly, lives of saints, stories of great and terrible kings and queens, the story of Babylonians, and so much more. And use your brain. If you are smart then talk and type like it. No need to use profanity, it dumbs down your words.

[DarkOmega]

Wow. Just wow.



Well I think it's your logic failing here. You're just saying things and expecting them to be true, without even thinking about any sort of evidence to your claim. We have the bible as our evidence, but you just say what you think and dismiss it as true because you can.



I have many friends that started out as atheists but have come to know God by themselves. You don't need a Christian family to introduce you to God to become a Christian. It's your own choice.

P.S. Please don't put spaces before full stops and commas. It makes it very hard to read your messages.

Well I think it's your logic failing here. You're just saying things and expecting them to be true, without even thinking about any sort of evidence to your claim. We have the bible as our evidence, but you just say what you think and dismiss it as true because you can.. | no, what I said above about the bible is actually a fact . ur bible is no evidence . its a book of stories .just liek u said .again hypocrisy .damn do u not see how it works? I'm from a very ,very religious family . that's how I learned to question everything .not just blindly believe, to bad that's to hard to read its 6 am . not going to waste time checking for everything ,and again the bible is not fucking evidence .I just told u who wrote it . for fucks sake .do ur research and don't just blindly believe anyway I'm done .to much stupidity in a few posts for one day

[Vlerchan]

Paradoxes don't work on him.
That's certainly convenient.

Christian people do not cherry pick out of the bible, they just don't follow everything that happens in the bible.
That's called cherry-picking.


The bible tells a story! It isn't a big book of rules!
Whilst I agree that large parts of the bible is just fictitious story-telling and isn't supposed to be taken literally there is entire books of rules in it.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Deuteronomy

The flying spaghetti monster is real to many people.
No, it's not.

Pastafarianism is satire.

We have the bible as our evidence, but you just say what you think and dismiss it as true because you can.
It's not a particularity great source of evidence. Most of the tales appearing in the bible are appear nowhere else.

[DarkOmega]

By God, you are dense. I pray the Lord grants you with wisdom soon. To say the Bible is a folktale is ignorant. The Bible os a book full of history from Creation, to the Plagues of Egypt, to Jesus' Crucifixion, the Romans, historical figures, and more. By your logic, Susa and Esther are nothing, Egypt never had Hebrew slaves, and Jesus never existed which are all wrong. Read the Bible first before you act as if you know it. You can't keep denying something because you don't believe in it. Not even a religious person would do that.

u'll pray for me ? I'll think for u . deal ? it is . do u believe in talking snakes ? it only has bits of actual true events. like people putting blood on their doors to stop their first born child from "dying" I did rad the bible .both the old and new ,
I just said god is as fictional as santa .same bullshit only for god .there are more made up stories and more widely spread .. I'm done with this . I'm giving u facts and logical stuff and ur responding with bullshit stories

[Lovelife090994]

That's certainly convenient.


That's called cherry-picking.



Whilst I agree that large parts of the bible is just fictitious story-telling and isn't supposed to be taken literally there is entire books of rules in it.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Deuteronomy


No, it's not.

Pastafarianism is satire.


It's not a particularity great source of evidence. Most of the tales appearing in the bible are appear nowhere else.

Are you serious? You can't deny everything of Christianity like it isn't evidence. Look around you, many follow Christ because we love him and believe in his word. Hearing is by faith, and faith comes by the Word of God. Your speech is power, God gave man power with words and knowledge that we may better ourselves. And yes, the Bible is history of many events and places, many have archeological evidence and to say it is all folktales is to write off Egypt, King Herod, Esther, Mary, Babylonia, Hitites, Creation, faith, love, The Romans, the cross, and so much more. Actually many Biblical accounts are shown in other religious texts and in some foreign texts, you need only look. Look at the Great Flood, cultures from around the world with no connection speak of one happening at the same time. The Bible is also a book of wisdom, proverbs, and songs such as Psalms. Not all evidence is physical, or can be seen as physical. God lives outside of space and time, he never forces us to him, but he loves us , cares and is there when you call. Why do you think so many come to him? Because anyone can. He is a God to kings, paupers, women, men, children, saints, and sinners.

u'll pray for me ? I'll think for u . deal ? it is . do u believe in talking snakes ? it only has bits of actual true events. like people putting blood on their doors to stop their first born child from "dying" I did rad the bible .both the old and new ,
I just said god is as fictional as santa .same bullshit only for god .there are more made up stories and more widely spread .. I'm done with this . I'm giving u facts and logical stuff and ur responding with bullshit stories

Yes, I will pray for you, pray that you get understanding, heart, and compassion. You cannot say God doesn't exist like you have all the answers. You do not know any more than I do, but already at least I know how to not insult your beliefs. Have a Happy Easter. Reflect and pray this day of the Lord, you'll need it. May God protect you, be blessed. Go in peace.

[DarkOmega]

Yes, I will pray for you, pray that you get understanding, heart, and compassion. You cannot say God doesn't exist like you have all the answers. You do not know any more than I do, but already at least I know how to not insult your beliefs. Have a Happy Easter. Reflect and pray this day of the Lord, you'll need it. May God protect you, be blessed. Go in peace.

happy eastern .but I do know more .. since I don't blindly follow , I;ll think for u .but I appreciate the prayer even though it doesn't do anything . .the rest .yeah yeah blah blah etc .. protect me with a magic shield .that would actually be cool cya

[Vlerchan]

Are you serious?
Yes.

You can't deny everything of Christianity like it isn't evidence[1]. Look around you, many follow Christ because we love him and believe in his word. Hearing is by faith, and faith comes by the Word of God. Your speech is power, God gave man power with words and knowledge that we may better ourselves[2]. And yes, the Bible is history of many events and places, many have archeological evidence and to say it is all folktales is to write off Egypt, King Herod, Esther, Mary, Babylonia, Hitites, Creation, faith, love, The Romans, the cross, and so much more[3]. Actually many Biblical accounts are shown in other religious texts and in some foreign texts, you need only look. Look at the Great Flood, cultures from around the world with no connection speak of one happening at the same time[4]. The Bible is also a book of wisdom, proverbs, and songs such as Psalms[5]. Not all evidence is physical, or can be seen as physical. God lives outside of space and time, he never forces us to him, but he loves us , cares and is there when you call. Why do you think so many come to him? Because anyone can. He is a God to kings, paupers, women, men, children, saints, and sinners.[6]
[1]: Yes, I can. I routinely do it on this board.

[2]: I'm not saying that you can't adhere Christianity or hold faith in its teachings.

[3]: There is barely any conclusive evidence supporting any of the claims that the bible makes about the places/people you've just mentioned.

[4]: This doesn't mean it happened. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_myth

[5]: I'm not disputing that.

[6]: Fantastic.

[Lovelife090994]

Yes.


[1]: Yes, I can. I routinely do it on this board.

[2]: I'm not saying that you can't adhere Christianity or hold faith in its teachings.

[3]: There is barely any conclusive evidence supporting any of the claims that the bible makes about the places/people you've just mentioned.

[4]: This doesn't mean it happened. See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flood_myth

[5]: I'm not disputing that.

[6]: Fantastic.

Do you deny all religions? If so, that's not good. By commandment I am to worship no other God but I cannot deny someone their faith either. Look up Susa, Susa is of the story of Esther, that is a real city even today. Look at the old cities of Israel, most are still there as they are in the Bible just renamed at some point. I will not see the works of the Bible as a myth as you see it. I do not intend to convert or convinve you, you can't fill a cup that is already full, but I must hold fast to myself and beliefs as they are to me; real. Answer me this. What about other religious books? You can't deny all of them. Even I don't. I have read from the Quran and the Torah and I see why so many look to them, for the same reason why the Bible exists to this day.

[Vlerchan]

Look up Susa, Susa is of the story of Esther, that is a real city even today.
Just because the city exists doesn't mean that the events that the bible claims that have happened in the city actually happened.

In Harry Potter, for example, JK Rowling sets many of her scenes in actual places. These places still exist today. This does not by any stretch of the imagination mean that the events claimed to have happened in Harry Potter by JK Rowling actually happened. It just means that at the time of writing she took inspiration from real-world locations.

I will not see the works of the Bible as a myth as you see it.[1] I do not intend to convert or convinve you, you can't fill a cup that is already full[2], but I must hold fast to myself and beliefs as they are to me; real.[3]

[1]: Great. As long as you realise that you've no reason to believe that they by-and-large are not myths.

[2]: I'm actually very opening to convincing. I just need verifiable evidence before I decide to latch on to your beliefs.

[3]: And, again for clarity, I've no problem with that.

Answer me this. What about other religious books? You can't deny all of them.
If the events as claimed in the Torah and Qur'an can be verified then I'm fully opening to holding them as historical truth.

Though, like with the bible, they by-and-large can't.

[Professor Moopicorn]

so I have it wrong .god does not have to be logic .what kinda fucked up world do u live in ? again .stop with the bullshit of god working in mysterious ways. if ur 2 stupid to comprehend it don't mention it , and do u know how much hypocrisy is in religion and the bible etc
and if u follow god's word .then u would follow the whole bible .not cherry pick it .again hypocrisy ..and for ur information u should know that the bible was written 4 months after the "resurrection" of jesus by roman politicians .not by prophets etc . so shut the hell up if u don't know ur facts.. and god not following logic and physics .bitch please .no shit if he doesn't exist , he doesn't have to follow it cause he's god. well nope ,wrong again .. he works in mysterious ways ? bullshit . he doesn't do shit tell that to everybody that suffers for no reason , see how mysterious that shit is , do u want me to mention all the gods that had the same stupid story ? and all the gods that were made up ?


Christian people do not cherry pick out of the bible, they just don't follow everything that happens in the bible. The bible tells a story! that's what u said and proves my point . when u don't follow everything in the bible . ur cherry picking . and yes the bible is a story of folktales and fairy tales completely made up

First, I will say this. You need to get YOUR facts right. The bible was not written 4 months after the resurrection of Jesus by roman politicians. It is a collection of writings from all points through time by all different people. And yes, some are prophets. Just check this out. http://www.everystudent.com/features/bible.html

Again, I will say, Christians do not "cherry pick" the bible. If what you mean by this is choosing what you want to follow and just leaving out what is too hard or what you don't like, you are wrong. We follow the parts of the bible that are meant to be followed. We do not own camels or slaves or wear sandals just because it is in the bible. These things are in the bible because they are what the people did, but that doesn't mean that is what the stories are about. And these are true stories, not made up fairy tales. And you certainly can't tell me how to follow the bible. That's like telling someone how they should walk or breathe.

so I have it wrong .god does not have to be logic .what kinda fucked up world do u live in ? again .stop with the bullshit of god working in mysterious ways. if ur 2 stupid to comprehend it don't mention it

God does not have to be logic because he CREATED LOGIC. And physics. When I said that no one can comprehend how God works, I did not mean I am too stupid to, I meant no human on earth can because our human minds can only understand what we know is possible, but God can do the impossible, and that is why no one can understand him.

And just so you know, if you keep calling Christianity "bulls**t" and continue to try and prove yourself right just by swearing and using strong words without any real evidence, I will probably just ignore you and stay away from this thread. Obviously, you just don't get it. I'm glad I have at least one friend who is with me here (Lovelife090994). And please don't insult peoples religion. That's just terrible.

[Vlerchan]

Again, I will say, Christians do not "cherry pick" the bible. If what you mean by this is choosing what you want to follow and just leaving out what is too hard or what you don't like, you are wrong.
So you support:

Killing people who don't listen to priests (Deuteronomy 17:12)
Killing homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13) & (Romans 1:24-32)
Killing fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:2)
Killing people for cursing their parents (Proverbs 20:20) & (Leviticus 20:9)
Killing followers of other religions (Exodus 22:19)
Killing Atheists (2 Chronicles 15:12-13)
Killing adulterers (Leviticus 20:10)
Killing woman who aren't virgins on their wedding night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21)
Killing systematically the children of sinners (Isaiah 14:21)

Etcetera.

God does not have to be logic because he CREATED LOGIC.
Nobody created logic.

God (in your opinion) may have created the laws of physics however.

[Professor Moopicorn]

I give up. You guys just don't get it. Lovelife090994 can say what I think a lot better than I can so just listen to him. I'm out. Bye!

[Lovelife090994]

So you support:

Killing people who don't listen to priests (Deuteronomy 17:12)
Killing homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13) & (Romans 1:24-32)
Killing fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:2)
Killing people for cursing their parents (Proverbs 20:20) & (Leviticus 20:9)
Killing followers of other religions (Exodus 22:19)
Killing Atheists (2 Chronicles 15:12-13)
Killing adulterers (Leviticus 20:10)
Killing woman who aren't virgins on their wedding night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21)
Killing systematically the children of sinners (Isaiah 14:21)

Etcetera.

Nobody created logic.

God (in your opinion) may have created the laws of physics however.

Those are ancient Jewish laws. No Christian or Jew today would kill in the name of their faith. We don't kill. I can't believe you said this. You think Christians and Jews are killers, we are not. Not even Muslims kill, only if they are radifal maybe but even still that is crazy. Come on, that is not fair. Millions of Christians and Jews have been killed because of their religion
either by brutal pagans or atheists who weren't going to have people serve a God and not the King or Ruler as a god. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. Peace be still, you makes atheists look terrible.

[Harry Smith]

Millions of Christians been killed because of their religion by atheists who weren't going to have people serve a God and not the King or Ruler as a god.

I wouldn't say that Atheists have killed millions of Christians-that's a gross over-statement. In regards to Pagans the christians gave just as good as they got

[Lovelife090994]

I give up. You guys just don't get it. Lovelife090994 can say what I think a lot better than I can so just listen to him. I'm out. Bye!

I don't think even I can speak to deaf ears and blinded eyes. These people only hear what they wish to hear. Things need to be seen for them to believe. Blessed are those who have not seen but know still. Those guys haven't grasped that yet. I suppose I'll go to. Easter is no time for fighting.

I wouldn't say that Atheists have killed millions of Christians-that's a gross over-statement. In regards to Pagans the christians gave just as good as they got

Take the Japanese, they worship their emperor as a god. Christians there worshipped God as a God, not a man. Many were killed for being Christian. Japanese religion has no deities, by definition it is an atheistic religion. Do you honestly believe that the religious deserve genocide? If so then you are a murderer who wants me dead because I am religious. But why am I talking to you? You never agree with me and I never agree with you. You know what? I'm done. Bye. I wish you'd learn to see without having to see, but you cannot and I can't blame you. We are not cut of the same cloth and so you can't see as I do. And you will never see. I wish you a good Easter, but I pray you a good day and bye.

[DarkOmega]

Take the Japanese, they worship their emperor as a god. Christians there worshipped God as a God, not a man. Many were killed for being Christian. Japanese religion has no deities, by definition it is an atheistic religion. Do you honestly believe that the religious deserve genocide? If so then you are a murderer who wants me dead because I am religious. But why am I talking to you? You never agree with me and I never agree with you. You know what? I'm done. Bye. I wish you'd learn to see without having to see, but you cannot and I can't blame you. We are not cut of the same cloth and so you can't see as I do. And you will never see. I wish you a good Easter, but I pray you a good day and bye.

do u have any idea of how many people Christians killed ? I hear only facts not bullshit stories

[Vlerchan]

You've managed to put so many words into my mouth in this post.

Those are ancient Jewish laws.
So, you agree that Christians cherry-pick from the bible?

No Christian or Jew today would kill in the name of their faith.
I never said that they would.

Though, there is a few. Prominently the Domionist movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_Theology) in the US.

We don't kill. I can't believe you said this.
I never said this.

You think Christians and Jews are killers, we are not.
I never made any claims about today's Jews and Christians being killers.

I do believe that a minority subset of them are though. I believe the same with agnostics and atheists.

Millions of Christians and Jews have been killed because of their religion either by brutal pagans or atheists who weren't going to have people serve a God and not the King or Ruler as a god.
Irrelevant to the claims I'm making.

The point of my post was to outline that the bible advocates murder and most Christians ignore this advocation.

Peace be still, you makes atheists look terrible.
Okay.

[Lovelife090994]

do u have any idea of how many people Christians killed ? u ignorant cunt . I hear only facts not bullshit stories

Hey, watch the language. Look, I am well aware of the sins of Christians, I do not condone them. But I DO NOT live by those sins. You cannot ignore the many Christians killed then and now. Our brethren are in despair in some countries, even today. My heart aches for anyone killed for their faith. And my heart aches for yours. Your heart is so full of black it will be a long time before it is flushed with the lifeblood of wisdom and compassion. You will reap what you sow. And the evil way you treat and talk about God's children will come back to haunt you if don't stop and repent to yourself if no one else. I'm done talking. Good bye and read a dictionary for better words than profanity.

[Lovelife090994]

You've managed to put so many words into my mouth in this post.


So, you agree that Christians cherry-pick from the bible?


I never said that they would.

Though, there is a few. Prominently the Domionist movement (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dominion_Theology) in the US.


I never said this.


I never made any claims about today's Jews and Christians being killers.

I do believe that a minority subset of them are though. I believe the same with agnostics and atheists.


Irrelevant to the claims I'm making.

The point of my post was to outline that the bible advocates murder and most Christians ignore this advocation.


Okay.

How many times do we have to say it? We are not cherry-picking. Do you want us to follow the past ills of the Bible? Let he who is without cast the first stone makes it where no one is above abother to kill, yet sadly it happens. We are not not to harm. We are not all dominionists. Christians are not terrorists. Terrorists are terrorists. I have put no words in your mouth. The Bible does not advocate murder. God is a not a god of war, but a god of peace. If you can't see this then I cannot make you. You must see for yourself. Bye, I'm done. I'm leaving before you insult my faith any longer.

[DarkOmega]

How many times do we have to say it? We are not cherry-picking. Do you want us to follow the past ills of the Bible? Let he who is without cast the first stone makes it where no one is above abother to kill, yet sadly it happens. We are not not to harm. We are not all dominionists. Christians are not terrorists. Terrorists are terrorists. I have put no words in your mouth. The Bible does not advocate murder. God is a not a god of war, but a god of peace. If you can't see this then I cannot make you. You must see for yourself. Bye, I'm done. I'm leaving before you insult my faith any longer.

god is a god of peace .bullshit .there would be not fucking wars and no starving children .no suffrage .at least no unnecessary suffrage,etc etc ,I'm now whiling to accept a god .that could not raise his children to tell me how to live my live and raise my own .

[Lovelife090994]

god is a god of peace .bullshit .there would be not fucking wars and no starving children .no suffrage .at least no unnecessary suffrage,etc etc ,I'm now whiling to accept a god .that could not raise his children to tell me how to live my live and raise my own .

God doesn't tell you how to live. He left the Earth to man which is why it is so messed up. We are not pure nor perfect. And the world will always have problems, god or not. God only helps those who asks, he will not barge in haphazardly.

[Vlerchan]

How many times do we have to say it? We are not cherry-picking.[1] Do you want us to follow the past ills of the Bible?[2]
[1]: Your actions say otherwise.

[2]: No. I opened this discussion with my remark about how I was glad that Christians took to cherry-picking from the bible.

We are not not to harm. We are not all dominionists. Christians are not terrorists. Terrorists are terrorists.
I never said that a) Christians were all dominionists or that b) Christians were all terrorists. I never made any claims about Christianity being linked to terrorism.

I have put no words in your mouth.[3] The Bible does not advocate murder[4].
[3]: Yes you have. Every time I open a sentence with the words "I never said ..." or "I never made any claims ..." this is me responding to you putting words in my mouth. Actually quote the relevant material where I make claims about Christians all being murderers or terrorists or dominionists.

[4]: Yes it does. Here I'll cite the relevant again:

Killing people who don't listen to priests (Deuteronomy 17:12)
Killing homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13) & (Romans 1:24-32)
Killing fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:2)
Killing people for cursing their parents (Proverbs 20:20) & (Leviticus 20:9)
Killing followers of other religions (Exodus 22:19)
Killing Atheists (2 Chronicles 15:12-13)
Killing adulterers (Leviticus 20:10)
Killing woman who aren't virgins on their wedding night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21)
Killing systematically the children of sinners (Isaiah 14:21)

God is a not a god of war, but a god of peace.[5] If you can't see this then I cannot make you. You must see for yourself. Bye, I'm done. I'm leaving before you insult my faith any longer.[6]
[5]: I never made any claims about god being the god of anything.

[6]: I'm sorry if I'm insulting your faith. But it's not like anything I've claimed hasn't been directly taken out of the book that you derive your faith from.

[DarkOmega]

God doesn't tell you how to live. He left the Earth to man which is why it is so messed up. We are not pure nor perfect. And the world will always have problems, god or not. God only helps those who asks, he will not barge in haphazardly.

again . people are staving and dying from disease for no reason . they can't do anything about it .and u say its an all might god .. please stop.I'm getting sick and tired of this argument .believe what u believe .don't care

[Lovelife090994]

[1]: Your actions say otherwise.

[2]: No. I opened this discussion with my remark about how I was glad that Christians took to cherry-picking from the bible.


I never said that a) Christians were all dominionists or that b) Christians were all terrorists. I never made any claims about Christianity being linked to terrorism.


[3]: Yes you have. Every time I open a sentence with the words "I never said ..." or "I never made any claims ..." this is me responding to you putting words in my mouth. Actually quote the relevant material where I make claims about Christians all being murderers or terrorists or dominionists.

[4]: Yes it does. Here I'll cite the relevant again:

Killing people who don't listen to priests (Deuteronomy 17:12)
Killing homosexuals (Leviticus 20:13) & (Romans 1:24-32)
Killing fortunetellers (Leviticus 20:2)
Killing people for cursing their parents (Proverbs 20:20) & (Leviticus 20:9)
Killing followers of other religions (Exodus 22:19)
Killing Atheists (2 Chronicles 15:12-13)
Killing adulterers (Leviticus 20:10)
Killing woman who aren't virgins on their wedding night (Deuteronomy 22:20-21)
Killing systematically the children of sinners (Isaiah 14:21)


[5]: I never made any claims about god being the god of anything.

[6]: I'm sorry if I'm insulting your faith. But it's not like anything I've claimed hasn't been directly taken out of the book that you derive your faith from.

I don't believe you but I can take an apology. I'll be ignoring for now to cease this.

again . people are staving and dying from disease for no reason . they can't do anything about it .and u say its an all might god .. please stop.I'm getting sick and tired of this argument .believe what u believe .don't care

Bad things happen, due to man and evil. God tries to help but humans not wanting it stops him. You need to renounce your hatred. I will believe what I believe. I will also be ignoring you from now on. Bye.

[Lovelife090994]

not hateful .just toward stupidity. not anti christian .cuz I was one and my family members are christian .and jewish etc and proven insane. well sry I'm not the one with an imaginary friend u stupid cunt I'm not against it .. its just stupid .I've had arguments with people of all religion .I would not have a problem with it if it didn't affect the lives of billions of people is a bad way . from my opinion if ur a believer . believe in a god .but leave religion alone. its just meant to control people ,,and stop taking every insult like cunt in a bad way .I say it all the fucking time and yeah I sear a lot .big deal

I'll say this to end it. You can have a religion but it's how you use it. Avoid religiosity but be spiritual. I know the difference but still read the Bible. You were of little faith. Maybe like Peter you'll see your errors. I answered you to be polite but now I'll ignore you. I don't answer to swears.

[Emerald Dream]

This is no longer a productive discussion and has degraded into a bunch of insults. I'm not keeping this open so you guys can continue this nonsense. :locked: