Death penalty

[nwshc]

I believe there should be the death penalty.
If you have a criminal past, and you kill someone, i believe you should die in return. I am one of those eye for an eye people.

[serial-thrilla]

i believe anyone who is convicted with 1st degree murder should be executed.

[Elokyn]

I don't know how murder can possibly be justified...probably just cus noone has ever killed someone close to me...if someone ever killed a family member of mine or something I'd probably want them dead.....so I guess I cant say I'm against it lol

[kolte]

hang em all!!!!!!!!

[Anonymous]

i wouldnt kill them, because i think everyone deserves a second chance and the people that kill the criminals are just as bad...anyways i think my opinon is goign to be left out. so dont hurt me!lol

[Elokyn]

yeah austin..that's kinda how I feel but I also feel like it would be hypocritical of ME to say cus..well like I said if someone killed someone close to me I'd want them dead so yeah lol

[Anonymous]

I think everyone kinda feels that way...

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

until our prison system is changed from "rehabilitaion" to "suffering and pain" like it should be, i feel the death sentance is the only thing we have against the meanies

[Anonymous]

the life sentence is the worst in my opinon, not bieng killed..but having to suffer for your whole life!!

[nwshc]

In
American Prisons?
Please, its a 3 star hotel in them. CAble tv, extra food and goodies, radios, its stupid.

[kolte]

I'm sorry, but I would rather spend life in a cell, then die. I love life, even though it don't love me.

[serial-thrilla]

i think its best to just kill them. if i killed someone i would want to die.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

I'm sorry, but I would rather spend life in a cell, then die. I love life, even though it don't love me.

dude, if u were a prisoner, your not supposed to GET WWHAT YOU WANT DUHHHHHH. if ud rather live out life, then we should kill you. if u want to die, we force u to live

[Ravenous]

But theres no way of telling that is there matt :P They could lie lol.
I am for the death penalty, we dont have it in britain. I think that intential murder should be punished by death.
But what method should we use?
Lethal Injection? Too soft for a killer I think
Electric Chair? Thats proper nasty no
Execution? Probably this is the best choice in my opinion.
What about under 18 killers? Should they be killed? I think give them life inprisonment from when they are 18 upwards and untill then hold them in a detention centre place.
Opinions on these then people?

[kolte]

the life sentence is the worst in my opinon, not bieng killed..but having to suffer for your whole life!!

I'm sorry, I made the mistake of not quoting Jagged Little Pill before, I think that the death sentance should be all the way! I just would rather live. It shows that to me, death sentance is worst in MY opinon.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

im sure living in prison isnt as bad as you all think

[Elokyn]

people on the street have it worse than prisoners do....

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

ya i know, a lot of people incriminate themselves because having the state pay 60 grand a year to support u is pretty nice compared to nothing. its pathetic really. prisons should be like prisons in afghanistan or pakistan

[Waiting]

I am one of those eye for an eye people.

eye for an eye makes the whole world blind

the problem is,
there have been a few innocent people that have been killed
and thats the one problem with it
if you're going to kill people
but you kill an innocent person, then you're just committing murder aswell.

see films 'the life of david gale' and 'the green mile'

[Rowan1011]

Yeah, Mute kinda just ganked what I was gonna say with leet jedi mind tricks or something... But yeah, what about those inocent people that could have been proven inocent but since they got the chair they never had the chance.. Murderers should be murdered, but only when we have the technology to make it certain that the killer is the killer.

There's my 5cents.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

theres always going to be flaws in our legal system and nothing is perfect. if your convicted of murder, in the eyes of that state you are a murderer. if they made a mistake, theres nothing anyone can do. its not anyways fault, its just a fluke in life. you cant just not give people the death penalty simply because there might be a rare case that someone on death row is innocent. they dont deserve the benefit of the doubt because killing killers is more important than making sure innocent people only get life

[kolte]

"We take eye for an eye, till no one can see, then we wonder blindly repeting old history"

thats one of my favorite quotes ever!

99.9% of people convicted are the real killers, regardless of what sombody says. I think that if you mum or dad were murdered, right in front of you, you would want the person who killed them dead. well, everyone who dies are mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, children. Think about it.

[nwshc]

99.9% of people convicted are the real killers, regardless of what sombody says. I think that if you mum or dad were murdered, right in front of you, you would want the person who killed them dead. well, everyone who dies are mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, children. Think about it.
Whats there to think about? If he murdered someone, he must die also. Plus, who cares if they are a mother, father, brother, whatever. They deserve to die, and his/her kids, family will just have to come to terms that their father/mother/whatever was a murderer. If my father was a murderer, I would never even want to talk to him again. Never.

[kolte]

99.9% of people convicted are the real killers, regardless of what sombody says. I think that if you mum or dad were murdered, right in front of you, you would want the person who killed them dead. well, everyone who dies are mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, children. Think about it.
Whats there to think about? If he murdered someone, he must die also. Plus, who cares if they are a mother, father, brother, whatever. They deserve to die, and his/her kids, family will just have to come to terms that their father/mother/whatever was a murderer. If my father was a murderer, I would never even want to talk to him again. Never.

why did you quote me and then talk about somthing completly different? @[email protected], if you misunderstood what i said, please take this time to re read it.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

dude, in ur quote you were talking about "mothers fathers sisters brothers and children". read nicks response, he addresses just that

[Rowan1011]

That's a moot point at best Nwshc.. Think about this, what if you went down the wrong path in your life-and you hung out with the bad crowd.. And one night, this crowd you sometimes hang out with kills a man yet it was somehow also pinned on you because you had no alibi. Wouldn't that seem unfair? Would you still find this state so just? Or what if someone killed your family and left you living, but since you were home it was pinned on you since you'd be the last one living. Even if you did say that it was some other dude who's to say you're not just covering your ass?..

"you cant just not give people the death penalty simply because there might be a rare case that someone on death row is innocent."
Yes you can.. Canada does it every day.

Killers should probably be killed, an eye for an eye is the saying. Not someone else's eye for an eye.

[kolte]

cosmos, if you read my post you will clearly see that he misunderstood what i said, simple mistake, but if you didnt get it, you miss the point entirly.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

cosmos, if you read my post you will clearly see that he misunderstood what i said, simple mistake, but if you didnt get it, you miss the point entirly.

well if me and nick BOTH miss your point maybe its you who needs to revise hard to understand writing.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

That's a moot point at best Nwshc.. Think about this, what if you went down the wrong path in your life-and you hung out with the bad crowd.. And one night, this crowd you sometimes hang out with kills a man yet it was somehow also pinned on you because you had no alibi. Wouldn't that seem unfair? Would you still find this state so just? Or what if someone killed your family and left you living, but since you were home it was pinned on you since you'd be the last one living. Even if you did say that it was some other dude who's to say you're not just covering your ass?..

"you cant just not give people the death penalty simply because there might be a rare case that someone on death row is innocent."
Yes you can.. Canada does it every day.

Killers should probably be killed, an eye for an eye is the saying. Not someone else's eye for an eye.

what if what if what if? you keep presenting these bs hypothetical situations. what if you were pinned for a murder that you didnt commit? then THAT WOULD FUCKING SUCK wouldnt it? i mean honestly. the state would still be just in killing you though, its not anyones fault that you lost the case except for unfortunate circumstances. if you kill someone, you no longer bear right to live. simple as that

[Rowan1011]

[quote=Rowan1011]

what if what if what if? you keep presenting these bs hypothetical situations. what if you were pinned for a murder that you didnt commit? then THAT WOULD FUCKING SUCK wouldnt it? i mean honestly. the state would still be just in killing you though, its not anyones fault that you lost the case except for unfortunate circumstances. if you kill someone, you no longer bear right to live. simple as that
Hypothetical situations are just as good as facts if they've happened before, so think before you speak. They haven't happened to me, no, I'm here today, but they might've happened to a relative, ancestor, old family friend etc..

That's like saying, that one person that got fucked over should die so that many other murderers could die. Hell, I don't want to die for a fucking murderer, do you? If anyone the person that made the damn law should die for that murderer, not some person picked by random. I would honest to god rather allow that person that murdered me get ass raped by some guy named bubbah for the last miserable years of his life then let some inocent person get slaughtered.

The death penalty is dumb.

[kolte]

dude, its simple, the death penelty has its flaws, but what doesnt. whould you ban ice cream because it makes your teeth hurt and makes you fat, no, ice cream is tasty and yum yum. would you ban the death penelty because a very VERY small percentage of the people who are killed where innocent, no. you shouldnt ban ice cream because your teeth hurt. I am for the death penelty.

[Anonymous]

Edited out.

[kolte]

yeah, death to killers, *dances* I wish more states were like texas, and btw..........KEEP AUSTIN WEIRD *^)*^)&)*)*^*.........sorry bout the spam, but texas rocks on HARD CORE.

[Anonymous]

Edited out.

[kolte]

@[email protected] I love Texas............Anywho, the death penelty is just a good idea. Keeps us safe, ya know.













power to the hill country

[Rowan1011]

I just hope that it happens to one of you someday... 'Cause then you won't be so supportive. The death penalty doesn't keep us safe any more than the life sentence does... And eating ice cream doesn't kill you no matter how sensitive your teeth are, so that's pretty irrelevant. A law that kill a small ammount of inocent people in order to kill mountains of guilty ones is not a law I follow...

[Anonymous]

Edited out.

[Rowan1011]

Ok.. So wait, in Canada killers kill just to go to prison?... I honestly had no idea since our crime rate is quite a bit lower... -.- Seriously, prison is not paradise.. I've not been there, but I've yet to hear someone that was released from prison because they were actually inocent say "Yeah.. Prison was pretty cool actually. I mean, nothing like jail but yeah-I could see myself in prison in another life.."

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

yay go death penalty supports!!!!

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/euusdeter.GIF

gotta stop them some way....

[kolte]

have any of you seen bowling for colombine?

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

ya that movies made by michael moore and in result has 0 factual or educational value

[serial-thrilla]

neither does family guy or the simpsons or southpark but i still watch those :)

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

hahahaha. but those are supposed to be funny. michael moore is an activist

[kolte]

i like michael moore.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

i dont

[Rowan1011]

I'd bet it's because he's anti Bush? Well so am I, so start hating me too :p I find Michael Moore makes politics fun by blowing everything out of proportion but still keeping some truth to the matter. Kinda like John Stuart.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

no but john stuart doesnt preach hatrid against the country that give him the right to do so

[nwshc]

I'd bet it's because he's anti Bush? Well so am I, so start hating me too :p .
I guess we will

[kolte]

don't get me wrong, i'm no "anti" bush. I just don't agree with some of his desesions.(spelling) Bust bowling for culombine is not an anti bush movie. It tries to find out what makes americans so violent.

[Rowan1011]

Yeah, fahrenheit 9/11 is the anti-bush. Oddly enough, I didn't like fahrenheit 9/11 as much as Bowling for Columbine...

[nwshc]

Fahrenheit 911 was the longest 2 hours of my life

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

ya that movie was HORRIBLE. the worst part was at the end everyone clapped, i was thinking oh god what has the world come to if people are this stupid

[kolte]

meh, he made good points.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

they were all lies.

http://img376.imageshack.us/img376/9840/moorereview4dg.jpg

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

pretend this post doesnt exist

[kolte]

lol, thats funny! Meh, I still think that Bowling For Columbine was a good movie. Anywho, convicts, Hang 'em all.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

definately :D

[kolte]

lol

[nwshc]

SPAM!!!^^^

[kolte]

stfu and stop spamming because sombody else made a comment. spam pisses people off, i was unaware that i was pissing anybody off. so lighten up damnit!

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

ya gotta love the south hehehe

http://img291.imageshack.us/img291/599/exec2zl.jpg

[kolte]

yay, go south

[Rowan1011]

Man.. This whole topic is ludicrous.. And this isn't any more spam than any of the other stuff you guys have been saying lately.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

would u like to say why its ludicrous?

[kolte]

yes please do, It confused me as to why you said such things about, we just let the conversation run wild, its what keeps the conversation good. We still kinda stayed on subject, even the moore thing was on.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

dude tis all been on topic. your post was the first one OFF topic, and now its got us talking about u. nice way to derail a good conversation

[Rowan1011]

Not really, this is the debate forum after all.. We're supposed to be debating, not saying what area kills more people.. It's not debating if Michael Moore is a good guy or not either. It's debating whether or not the death penalty is a good idea. And it's ludicrous because we keep making conversation over nothing XD, it's like the topic did a 180 from whether or not the death penalty is good to whether or not Michael Moore is worth listening to and who kills more people with the death penalty. I contributed to the farce too, but it's ludicrous just the same.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

i think your ludicrous for not knowing whta your talking about mr i only have 65 posts and think i know everything

[Rowan1011]

So.. Wait.. I'm obsolete because I have less posts than you.. That's it? Freaking post count whores these days... So the subject is about what area killed the most people and if Michael More is worth listening to? If so, I'm sorry man, I made a mistake...

Anyways, I don't think I know everything. If I did, why would I join these forums in the first place? I came to ask questions and get answers and maybe learn things from other's questions.

Then I found this thread and decided to say my opinion which was struck down repeatedly so I started to get angry... And I'll admit, I might've seemed hostile a couple times, but that's only because I felt like you guys were dismissing everything I say with sometimes not even valid points..

I'm just trying to get this thread back on topic because we've been speaking of nonesense for a while and you start bitching at me because I have a post count of 65 XD... WTF?! Great first impression though man, you seem like a real nice person.. Real nice..

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

cody please help me :(

[Whisper]

Rowan my first impression of you sucks
now that we have that out of the way

First off matt wasent talking about post count he was saying that your new (he did NOT say there was sumthin wrong with that)
he said you have no idea how VT works
I agree with him!
Your new who cares but stop acting like a know it all and leave the fourm moderating to the mods (James dosent need your help)

EXACTLY its a DEBATE fourm u didn't get slamed you wanted a debate and thats what you got and now your pissed cause your losing (again WHO CARES its a debate)

"I'll admit, I might've seemed hostile a couple times, but that's only because I felt like you guys were dismissing everything I say with sometimes not even valid points.."

you just sound like a sore loser to me

[Rowan1011]

Rowan my first impression of you sucks
now that we have that out of the way

Yeah, good for you, another..

First off matt wasent talking about post count he was saying that your new (he did NOT say there was sumthin wrong with that)

What?! He clearly said, "i think your ludicrous for not knowing whta your talking about mr i only have 65 posts and think i know everything"Meaning he was taking a jab at how I have a low post count, he didn't say anything about being new.. In lamen terms in that post he was saying that I don't have the right to stand up to him because I have 65 posts. I don't think I know everything! I think I know that if there's a topic, that's what it's there for so you CAN STAY ON IT!

he said you have no idea how VT works
I agree with him!

Well, I just figured it worked like every other forum.. You know, those ones that have topics for a reason

Your new who cares but stop acting like a know it all and leave the fourm moderating to the mods (James dosent need your help)

Good for James.. He's probably a good guy, I'm just saying that this topic's getting out of hand. If you want to talk about random thing, I thought maybe it should be done in the spam forum?

EXACTLY its a DEBATE fourm u didn't get slamed you wanted a debate and thats what you got and now your pissed cause your losing (again WHO CARES its a debate)

I'm losing? The last thing that was on the topic was posted by me.. And I don't really care what these people think.. I don't even know them in real life. I know what I know, they know wha tthey know.. I was getting pissed because they said shit like "what if what if what if? you keep presenting these bs hypothetical situations. what if you were pinned for a murder that you didnt commit? then THAT WOULD FUCKING SUCK wouldnt it?"I mean.. That's not even a good reply.. In fact, it's like he's saying, 'if you're pinned for a muder you didn't do, die :D! '

"I'll admit, I might've seemed hostile a couple times, but that's only because I felt like you guys were dismissing everything I say with sometimes not even valid points.."
you just sound like a sore loser to me

Maybe it's because I'm getting ganged up on by a bunch of people that have been going to these forums for ages so they think I can't be right... I mean, I'm not saying I am. Both sides have their hits and misses, but like you just said regardless, they feel they've won..

[nwshc]

Rowan, are you that idiotic that you have to drag this on, and on, and on? Are you the all mighty feurer of VT? No. You do not barge in here an bitch and complain that this is not a debate. It's not your call.
And I STRONGLY advise that you do not cross Cody's path, and contredict him.
Welcome back Cody ;)

[kolte]

I'm just going to make a cuple "vallid points".

First off, the topic in this topic is the Death Penelty. At its start, I decided to spring it open by making a comment about if pepople think the death penelty is good, or bad. The crowd spoke.

We began to talk about violence.

Bowling for columbine is a movie about the Violence Of America, which plays into the whole convict thing.

And now its come to and unessessary hault because you don't think that the chart above is on topic, which is because it is showing how many convicts were exicuted in americas reaigons.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

ya i know hes full of shit because this topic was as on topic As ANY TOPIC EVER COULD BE, and now look where its gone and its all his fault. from now on im ignoring him in here. what do you guys feel should be done to the prison system? i think they give too much money to it

[kolte]

eh, i think that the people in prision are scared enough. I know allot of people who are freaked out about it. But I'm not sure how much the US spends on is prision budget.

[<-Dying_to_Live->]

i think each prisoner gets like 60 grand a year supporting them or some high number like that

[Whisper]

What?! He clearly said, "i think your ludicrous for not knowing whta your talking about mr i only have 65 posts and think i know everything"Meaning he was taking a jab at how I have a low post count, he didn't say anything about being new.. In lamen terms in that post he was saying that I don't have the right to stand up to him because I have 65 posts. I don't think I know everything! I think I know that if there's a topic, that's what it's there for so you CAN STAY ON IT!

NO he did not i've known matt for months, I talk to him on msn, my cell, teamspeak, etc.... I was here befor him so i've read all of his posts. I think i'm a better judge then you at what my buddy matt is trying to say.
You've been here for like 4 days and you're starting fights, accusing members and just acting like a jerk thats what has matt mad, as far as having 65+ posts in the time you've been here :shock: nobody is accusing you of having a low post count if anything its extremly high which would make you a spammer but I havent seen any spam posts YET so right now I just think your an enthusiastic poster, theres nothing worng with that.

he said you have no idea how VT works
I agree with him!

Well, I just figured it worked like every other forum.. You know, those ones that have topics for a reason

Your new who cares but stop acting like a know it all and leave the fourm moderating to the mods (James dosent need your help)

Good for James.. He's probably a good guy, I'm just saying that this topic's getting out of hand. If you want to talk about random thing, I thought maybe it should be done in the spam forum?
James is not a good guy, James is a GREAT guy, him combined with awesome admins and the sweetest global mod this site has ever seen, all of which have been on VT for a very long time mean that your help is not required.


Maybe it's because I'm getting ganged up on by a bunch of people that have been going to these forums for ages so they think I can't be right... I mean, I'm not saying I am. Both sides have their hits and misses, but like you just said regardless, they feel they've won..
You're not getting ganged up on
honestly your not
we just don't like your ego
and for someone who was pissed this was off topic you single handedly threw it waaaaaaaaaaay off topic......cheers

I'm not gonna post here again you have a prob with me fine PM me


Back on topic....

[Anonymous]

ahh this sucks, That shows the quick accusations made by georgians..

[Rowan1011]

Ok so wait.. By saying the south kills a lot of people is somehow furthering a debate on if the Death Penalty should be supported? I mean.. Sure, they kill 'lots of murderers, good for them.. But that doesn't pursuade anything. Sure it's almost what the topic's about.. But it's like making a topic about Milk then they start talking about cheese or yogurt or something. It's almost like the topic but not quite.

NO he did not i've known matt for months, I talk to him on msn, my cell, teamspeak, etc.... I was here befor him so i've read all of his posts. I think i'm a better judge then you at what my buddy matt is trying to say.
You've been here for like 4 days and you're starting fights, accusing members and just acting like a jerk thats what has matt mad, as far as having 65+ posts in the time you've been here Shocked nobody is accusing you of having a low post count if anything its extremly high which would make you a spammer but I havent seen any spam posts YET so right now I just thimk your an enthusiastic poster, theres nothing worng with that.
I only said it was ludicrous that we were talking about michael moore in a debate whether murdering murderers is good... Then he says something ignorant like "Well it sucks for them doesn't it?!" so I started getting a little angry.. Then he says "i think your ludicrous for not knowing whta your talking about mr i only have 65 posts and think i know everything" so I'm pretty pissed off then so I make an angry post.. Big deal, I'm only human.

As for my ego, the only reason it'd seem like I have an ego is because I got angry when cosmos and othello got sarcastic with me once I said this topic is "ludicrous" meaning, funny...


Anyways, back on topic.. I don't think there's any murderers that really enjoy being in prison even if the budget's 60grand a year XD..

[kolte]

Jesus, thats allot. But I'm sure allot of that goes into running such a large building.

[Nexdeus]

:twisted: :twisted: the death penalty is used to scare people into not killing but there are still idiots out there :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: bring the electic chair back :twisted: :twisted:

[kolte]

do i even have to say anything?