Can a person be gay\bi and be a Christian?

[hayley2003]

I just finished watching the documentary "AKA Jane Doe", and there are religious people in the documentary that state emphatically that its impossible to be both. They suggest to be gay or bi is to be anti-christian.

[Natacha]

In Denmark gay couples are married in the church too.

[HeyCameron]

Yes. You can be a homosexual and believe in God and Jesus and accept Jesus as your personal savior. I do not think lines in the Bible condemning Roman behavior exclude homosexuals from Christianity.

[Pultost]

Absolutely. Those who claim that LGBT people can't be Christian as well are dead wrong.

[Sailor Mars]

Short answer: Yes
Long answer: Yes.

Religion and sexuality is not give and take. You can have one, or none, or both.

[SouthernDude]

I'm sure you can, though it can be thought of as selective belief in the Bible, which is greatly sinful in Christianity. I'm okay with people being gay/bi and being Christian, it's just some people think of it this way.

[knives]

Of course they can and I think marriage equality helps with it
If the sin is premarital sex and not gay sex, which isn’t actually forbidden, just misinterpreted as such - then marriage equality removes the sin through marriage

God wouldn’t make so many gay people if he didn’t want them

I'm sure you can, though it can be thought of as selective belief in the Bible, which is greatly sinful in Christianity. I'm okay with people being gay/bi and being Christian, it's just some people think of it this way.

Which is why marriage equality is so important! If gay people are married, their having sex isn’t a sin

Posts merged. Use the edit button next time ~Mars

[Oscar-V3.0]

I just finished watching the documentary "AKA Jane Doe", and there are religious people in the documentary that state emphatically that its impossible to be both. They suggest to be gay or bi is to be anti-christian.

First if God didn't want us to be gay, I guess he just wouldn't enable us to be

I'm catholic and I used to date girls. Now I'm in love with another boy, it didn't change that I still believe in God the same way and go to church (well I mean when they reopen :P )

[scotthouse]

I just finished watching the documentary "AKA Jane Doe", and there are religious people in the documentary that state emphatically that its impossible to be both. They suggest to be gay or bi is to be anti-christian.They are brainwashed by the bible/religion..... There is nothing wrong with being Gay..... The bible is made up and doesnt mean anything!! (Religion is just for control)

God is who is important and I doubt he cares if someone is Gay or not...

[hayley2003]

They are brainwashed by the bible/religion..... There is nothing wrong with being Gay..... The bible is made up and doeasnt mean anything!! (Religion is just for control)

God is who is important and I doubt he cares if someone is Gay or not...

In the documentary the religious people are so obsessed that is starts to become funny. Its kinda like they would be just as obsessed if they believed God only accepted right handed people, and they felt they needed to pass laws to make it illegal to be lefted handed because being left handed was immoral.

Seems more logical from their perspective to make "affairs" immoral and illegal, but they accept those as being OK, or at least not too bad.

[jamie_n5]

Of course you can be any sexual orientation and be Christian. Your belief in Jesus Christ as your Savior is what makes you a Christian. He who believes and is baptized is saved by the cross and your faith in the Triune God. Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

[Oscar-V3.0]

In the documentary the religious people are so obsessed that is starts to become funny

It would be funny if it was only them. The issue is that they have influence and many people buy every bit of it, and that's why gays are rejected by so many people.
So I wouldn't call it funny :s

[PlasmaHam]

Yes they can, however it does not make gay relationships therefore moral. Adulterers, liars, drunkards, and racists can be Christian too. All people are loved, but not their sin.

Of course they can and I think marriage equality helps with it
If the sin is premarital sex and not gay sex, which isn’t actually forbidden, just misinterpreted as such - then marriage equality removes the sin through marriage

God wouldn’t make so many gay people if he didn’t want them

Which is why marriage equality is so important! If gay people are married, their having sex isn’t a sin]
Your crux of that argument is the idea that man is the definer of marriage and not God. The government could legalize marriage between men and penguins, that doesn't mean that God condones it. The law is not the arbitrator of morality.

First if God didn't want us to be gay, I guess he just wouldn't enable us to be

I'm catholic and I used to date girls. Now I'm in love with another boy, it didn't change that I still believe in God the same way and go to church (well I mean when they reopen :P )"If God didn't want us to murder he wouldn't have created murderers".
"If God didn't want us to steal he wouldn't have created thiefs."
"If God didn't want us to lie he wouldn't have created liars."
"If God didn't want us to sexually exploit children he wouldn't have created pedophiles".

[Sailor Mars]

Yes they can, however it does not make gay relationships therefore moral. Adulterers, liars, drunkards, and racists can be Christian too. All people are loved, but not their sin.

Your crux of that argument is the idea that man is the definer of marriage and not God. The government could legalize marriage between men and penguins, that doesn't mean that God condones it. The law is not the arbitrator of morality.

"If God didn't want us to murder he wouldn't have created murderers".
"If God didn't want us to steal he wouldn't have created thiefs."
"If God didn't want us to lie he wouldn't have created liars."
"If God didn't want us to sexually exploit children he wouldn't have created pedophiles".
I can’t tell if you’re comparing pedophiles and murderers to gay people or...?

I think the best part and defining part about being human (besides usage of tools and fire) is having a conscious and being able to be above basic, primitive instinct and emotion. We’re able to control how we feel and think about things, and that can be seen so much in the perception of religion. We are able to change and control what we believe, yet I find so many people incapacitated and held back by religious ideologies. I’m not trying to rag on people who are religious, but God allowed us to be free thinkers, not to just follow rules and a book that is thousands of years old.

I’m also confused as to why people perceive homosexuality as immoral? Is it just because of things that were said in the Bible that it’s seen as unnatural or wrong? There are thousands of species that homosexuality can be seen in, not just humans, and animals don’t have morals so... idk, if you could expand upon that for me? that would be neat

[knives]

Yes they can, however it does not make gay relationships therefore moral. Adulterers, liars, drunkards, and racists can be Christian too. All people are loved, but not their sin.


Your crux of that argument is the idea that man is the definer of marriage and not God. The government could legalize marriage between men and penguins, that doesn't mean that God condones it. The law is not the arbitrator of morality.

"If God didn't want us to murder he wouldn't have created murderers".
"If God didn't want us to steal he wouldn't have created thiefs."
"If God didn't want us to lie he wouldn't have created liars."
"If God didn't want us to sexually exploit children he wouldn't have created pedophiles".

The bible doesn’t forbid it

[PlasmaHam]

I can’t tell if you’re comparing pedophiles and murderers to gay people or...? Have you ever lied? Have you ever stolen? Have you ever had a lustful thought, or had envied the belongings of another? Have you ever implied that someone in this forum thinks gay people are disgusting criminals? Or that they are ignorant for having an opinion you don't like? In the eyes of God, you are no better than the pedophile or the murderer. So yes, I'm comparing gay people to murderers and pedophiles, as well as you and me.

[Sailor Mars]

Have you ever lied? Have you ever stolen? Have you ever had a lustful thought, or had envied the belongings of another? Have you ever implied that someone in this forum thinks gay people are disgusting criminals? Or that they are ignorant for having an opinion you don't like? In the eyes of God, you are no better than the pedophile or the murderer. So yes, I'm comparing gay people to murderers and pedophiles, as well as you and me.

That’s an interesting take

[Oscar-V3.0]

In the eyes of God, you are no better than the pedophile or the murderer. So yes, I'm comparing gay people to murderers and pedophiles, as well as you and me.

Killing people or raping a child is not exactly the same as being attracted to a person of the same gender. Comparing the 2 is ridiculous, and what is the point with the original question ?

[Bostonian]

Killing people or raping a child is not exactly the same as being attracted to a person of the same gender. Comparing the 2 is ridiculous, and what is the point with the original question ?

First off, agree completely, you're quite right to raise that point, however, I believe that the comparison was made in order to say that homosexual attraction is very low on the scale of "bad" things you can do biblically.

Maybe I'm reading into this wrong.

[Falcons_11]

I don't believe that God really cares what your sexual orientation is. If you live a good and decent life and don't do harm or hurt your fellow man or woman, you can be with him in heaven. I don't think there is an discrimination as to race, gender and sexual orientation in God's house.

[Xxx_Lilly_xxX]

Absolutely. Those who claim that LGBT people can't be Christian as well are dead wrong.

i agree with you * give yo ua cookie*

[Jacobaa]

I am bisexual I think and i am a christian and both of my dads are Christian. I think it depends on who you ask and i suppose we will find out eventually haha

[scotthouse]

I believe God doesnt care what someone is....... Dont listen to made up religons trying to control people...... God is the important one :)

[West Coast Sheriff]

AS IF IT IS A CHOICE

I am bi pan Or Not completely heterosexual (str8 leaning. But I’m definitely something

I can’t help how I feel about some guys.

I am attracted to non binary and gfluid on occasion
I really like girls and if it were up to me that’s all I’d like. But it’s not up to me
And my sexuality is what it is

I believe in Christ I believe in good in part because I believe in evil
THE DEVIL, bad decisions brain malfunctions lies deceit and bad habits. Trickery and manipulative. Sloth and self indulgence.

I was raised Catholic
I need Christ. I need Jesus. I need his mother Mary’s saving grace. They guide me toWards love.

Neither are choices for me
But that’s kinda not true because the element of acceptance imPlies choosing to accept myself as I am

[thewilddog]

Chapters 18 and 20 of Leviticus form part of the Holiness code and list prohibited forms of intercourse, including the following verses:

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination." Chapter 18 verse 22[1]
"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them." Chapter 20 verse 13[2]
In Matthew 19 (and parallel in Mark 10), Jesus is asked if a man can divorce his wife. In that context, Jesus replies:,

He answered, 'Have you not read that the one who made them at the beginning "made them male and female" [note 1], and said, "For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh" [note 2]? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.'

— Matthew 19:4–6 (NRSV)[52]
Take what you will with these verses, but God designed Marriage. Did he design marriage for two men, or women...? No he designed it for a man and a woman. God also designed the world without lists or theirs, does that mean there aren't any..? God wanted the best for everyone. You and me, and he knew what was right and what was wrong.
Take what you will.

[scotthouse]

But thats just from a made up bible,it means nothing really,....

[Oscar-V3.0]

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death;
What about the "You shall not kill " ?

Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.'
Nice. So we should live with someone you dont love any more or that you have big problems living with, rather than divorce ?

[Stamford]

The vicar of a nearby church to me is openly gay. He is quite rightly accepted by just about everyone apart from 1 or 2 bigots that you will get anywhere.

[KatieCO2003]

Remember, the Bible also tells us how to treat our slaves, and that Lot had sex with his own daughters.
I've always had issue with people that take the current bible as the literal exact word of God. When we all know full well that THE BIBLE as we know it today, and as they often quote, is the King James version. Yeah... version. Which means, there are other versions like the current Catholic Bible. And, if you've really studied to bible, you know it is a collection of books and letters and songs. It didn't start as one single thing. And what got included and left out has been the subject of great councils, and centuries-long debates, and even wars.
So with all that, why is there so much focus on one or two phrases from the Old Testament?

Because people are scared of anything that is different.

[thewilddog]

What about the "You shall kill " ?


Nice. So we should live with someone you dont love any more or that you have big problems living with, rather than divorce ?

With divorce, from my personal view, the eople never "fitted together" to start with, they weren't fully 1 they were still 2. This is why we before marriage is bad, itgoes against god's plan, like killing, stealing and lying. And about Lot: God never said marry your sister, it's like saying because that person stole in the Bible it's right, well no stealing is not right. And one more thing to think about: if the Bible is untrue, who sets the standard of what is right or wrong...? Who says that, if gay marriage is right, then why isnt raping someone right...? DISCLAIMER I am not comparing gay people, to rapists.

Tell me what you think!

[Oscar-V3.0]

With divorce, from my personal view, the eople never "fitted together" to start with
The problem is they thought they did. And in the end they realize they dont, or they dont anymore. So what should people do ? Live together for like 20 years to be sure they fit and then get married after like 20 years ?

Who says that, if gay marriage is right, then why isnt raping someone right...?
Maybe just because 2 guys getting married dont cause harm to anyone whereas a rapist does ?

[MentallyChaotic]

In the documentary the religious people are so obsessed that is starts to become funny. Its kinda like they would be just as obsessed if they believed God only accepted right handed people, and they felt they needed to pass laws to make it illegal to be lefted handed because being left handed was immoral.

Seems more logical from their perspective to make "affairs" immoral and illegal, but they accept those as being OK, or at least not too bad.

I loved this comparison... because there was a time when Catholicism believed that left-handed people were born evil, and could not get into heaven. So church schools tried to teach them to be right handed.

I think one needs to be careful to differentiate the bible as two books: the old testament is a history of the hebrews/romans. The new testament is the beginning of christianity (first, as a Jewish sect, then as a separate movement, then as a religion) and the teachings of the two books are very different. The new testament is really the only one of the two that deals with christianity, and it is also more into love and acceptance and tolerance.

[FirstMate]

I'm catholic and gay. I don't think my sexuality is in conflict with my religious beliefs.

[Fritz]

Barring the cherry-picking of the Bible, God loves all, especially if God was the one who made you the way you are in his image, why would he exclude or hate people who are gay/bi? So, yes you can be both

[Berlin]

I know different churches set their own rules. It’s all up to you in the end. Churches are just people deciding what to believe.

[Oscar-V3.0]

I know different churches set their own rules. It’s all up to you in the end. Churches are just people deciding what to believe.

Kindof but not exactly. You can go to church and also think by yourself and not agree with all they say ;)

[Berlin]

Kindof but not exactly. You can go to church and also think by yourself and not agree with all they say ;)

Yeah but if you’re LGBT you probably won’t go to a church that’s very anti LGBT

[Leilani22]

I know different churches set their own rules. It’s all up to you in the end. Churches are just people deciding what to believe.

I agree. Religious ppl just choose what they wanna believe.

[Bluebyrd]

I agree. Religious ppl just choose what they wanna believe.

Everyone chooses what they want to believe.

[Zika]

Kindof but not exactly. You can go to church and also think by yourself and not agree with all they say ;)

Everyone chooses what they want to believe.

I don't agree.
Some people are indoctrinated from birth to believe in a religion. Depending on which religion, there may not be much room to choose what to believe.
In fact, I don't think any religions give you the choice of what to believe in in certain matters, although religions may differ in how much emphasis they put on a given matter.

So if you don't agree with what they say and don't follow it, then to that extent, you're not following that religion.
The religion doesn't give you the choice. You choose to reject parts of the religion you don't agree with, but that means you're not truly practicing that religion.

One may call themselves Catholic, but if they believe abortion is ok, they are not aligning themselves with Catholicism.

[Oscar-V3.0]

I don't agree.
Some people are indoctrinated from birth to believe in a religion. Depending on which religion, there may not be much room to choose what to believe.
In fact, I don't think any religions give you the choice of what to believe in in certain matters, although religions may differ in how much emphasis they put on a given matter.

So if you don't agree with what they say and don't follow it, then to that extent, you're not following that religion.
The religion doesn't give you the choice. You choose to reject parts of the religion you don't agree with, but that means you're not truly practicing that religion.

One may call themselves Catholic, but if they believe abortion is ok, they are not aligning themselves with Catholicism.

I think jacking off is not a sin, that being gay is not a sin, and that gay people should be allowed to get married.
the church is against all that, if you think makes me not catholic then screw you

[Zika]

I think jacking off is not a sin, that being gay is not a sin, and that gay people should be allowed to get married.
the church is against all that, if you think makes me not catholic then screw you

Well, you sure show a lot of maturity:rolleyes:. Not much improvement during the time we enjoyed your absence from this site.

Here, let me repost he relevant part of what I said:

So if you don't agree with what they say and don't follow it, then to that extent, you're not following that religion.
The religion doesn't give you the choice. You choose to reject parts of the religion you don't agree with, but that means you're not truly practicing that religion.

It doesn't mean you can't say you're not that religion. But you're rejecting part of the religion in doing so.

I happen to agree with you about masturbation and homosexuality.

But, you having sex with your 12 year old bf is not consistent with Catholic doctrine (although I believe the Pope has opened the door to homosexuality). To that extent, you are not practicing Catholicism....that part of it. Nothing in Catholicism gives you the choice to engage in homosexuality (for the sake of this conversation, let's say that door is not open). So if you are doing so, it is contrary to the teachings of the church.

Everyone violates some religious doctrine some of the time. But your religion doesn't give you the choice. You choose not to practice that part of the religion.

It's great that you feel fine picking and choosing what you want to practice and ignore. Others may feel they don't have a choice to ignore parts of their religion.

It's about being open minded.

yeah, screw me haha. You'd love to, I'm sure.

[Oscar-V3.0]

You choose to reject parts of the religion you don't agree with, but that means you're not truly practicing that religion.

It doesn't mean you can't say you're not that religion. But you're rejecting part of the religion in doing so.

Religion preaches tolerance.
Rejecting people because they're gay is not really showing tolerance, is it ?

[Zika]

Religion preaches tolerance.
Rejecting people because they're gay is not really showing tolerance, is it ?

Excellent example of a red herring.

Reread what I wrote and when you have figured it out (it's not that difficult), then respond with a relevant post. I'm not sure you can do it, but it'll be good for you to try.

You're very good with these fallacies.

[Oscar-V3.0]

Excellent example of a red herring.

Reread what I wrote and when you have figured it out (it's not that difficult), then respond with a relevant post. I'm not sure you can do it, but it'll be good for you to try.

You're very good with these fallacies.

Or just let me follow my religion as I see fit, and stop trolling me ?

[Zika]

Or just let me follow my religion as I see fit, and stop trolling me ?

Another red herring. That should be your screenname.

Can you show me where I told you how you should follow your religion?
Go ahead, show me.

You engage in a debate thread and then claim someone is 'trolling' when they express an opinion other than yours. That doesn't sound like trolling to me; it sounds like narrow-mindedness.

I'm 'trolling' you lol.
You do like to play the victim, don't you? Replaying your past MO.

[HeyCameron]

that means you're not truly practicing that religion.

This is the part of your argument that I take issue with. We're getting into No True Scotsman territory here, i.e. A: No Catholic supports homosexuality. B: I'm Catholic and I support homosexuality. A: No true Catholic supports homosexuality.

This is fine if you define truly practicing a religion as following every bit of doctrine to the letter. Most religious people will insist that there are core principles that followers adhere to that define who is practicing and who is not. In Catholicism, that is: affirming baptism for the forgiveness of sins, acknowledging the resurrection of Jesus Christ, recognizing the transubstantiation of the bread and wine into the body of blood of Jesus, recognizing Mary as the "Mother of God", etc. If you call yourself Catholic but don't believe the bread and wine is the actual body and blood of Jesus, that's a problem as you're rejecting one of the core tenets of Catholicism that differentiates it from other Christian denominations.

Believing that homosexuality is not a sin...now we're getting into the gray. I acknowledge a problem with those claim it is a sin and then say "it's okay, we all sin" since Jesus says "sin no more". But I also have a problem with the claim that a Catholic who believes homosexuality to not be sinful is not a true practitioner of the faith. Practice of faith is a sum total of beliefs and actions, it's prayer and devotion and belief in the core principles of the religion. It's not making certain that you oppose birth control and other man-made rules that are subject to change anyhow and have changed through councils and different leadership.

[Zika]

This is the part of your argument that I take issue with. We're getting into No True Scotsman territory here, i.e. A: No Catholic supports homosexuality. B: I'm Catholic and I support homosexuality. A: No true Catholic supports homosexuality.


Oskarr has twisted what I said and I think his twisted version is what you're referring to.

I think post 42 explains what I'm saying clearly.

I'm not saying people who make decisions contrary to their religion's teachings cannot claim to belong to that religion. I'm saying, in general, religions don't give its members the ability to choose whether or not to observe the Sabbath, have abortions or engage in homosexuality.

Part of my response was to the following exchange:

Originally Posted by Berlin View Post:
I know different churches set their own rules. It’s all up to you in the end. Churches are just people deciding what to believe.

Oskarr's response:
Kindof but not exactly. You can go to church and also think by yourself and not agree with all they say

Berlin is basically right; the religion decides what it's member's are to believe.

Oskarr is correct that people can choose to ignore what their religion tells them to believe, but to that extent, those particular actions, are not part of the religious teachings. You don't have to agree with what the religion says, but to the extent you don't, you're not following that religion.

In other words, religion tells you what to believe. For the most part, they do not give you the choice of what to believe. You may choose to ignore their teachings and reject that part of the religion. But that doesn't mean you're not a member of that religion.

I don't believe this is a "no true Scotman" example.

[HeyCameron]

In other words, religion tells you what to believe. For the most part, they do not give you the choice of what to believe. You may choose to ignore their teachings and reject that part of the religion. But that doesn't mean you're not a member of that religion..

Fair enough. That is true. Religions generally do not include "leeway" in regard to their teachings. And you can accurately say that people who choose to ignore some teachings are not following the entire doctrine, even if they are still members and practitioners of the faith.

[Rday05]

I still don’t get why you can’t be gay and Christian . I thought God loves all

[Oitamara]

I always think you can be gay if you’re Christian or Jewish. It’s harder if you’re muslim because other people will not like it. I think it should be your free choice.

[Thomas52]

You can find all the answers in Catechism of the Catholic Church:

Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

[BeanieM]

I firmly believe religion should have nothing to do with your sexual preferences!

[tokec25131]

The diplomatic answer to this question is: it depends.

[Blueisthecolour1]

I guess it depends on what you believe in there’s probably religious people who aren’t gay or bi but are bad people

[HighVamp913]

Actually figuring this out myself. I don't think the two can coexist well together. Especially with most priests believe in heterosexual relationships, anything else is the "devil's work". Well what did you expect from me pastor.

[Char03]

Well I have been brought up Catholic but am also bisexual. I have been brought up to believe same sex relationships are wrong but I have known for 4-5 years I am as attracted to girls as I am to boys and I don't feel I can help that. There's lots to being a good Christian, kindness, being neighbourly, being charitable. My church gets so hung up on sex and sexuality but I am pretty certain most of it comes from the Church rather than being based on Christian teaching. It was a way for the Church to control people's behaviour sexually. I think I am a good Christian, but I am also bisexual.

[Hedda]

Of course; there are many gay christians
With marriage equality the adultery sin is gone

[Max the Disenchanter]

all sins are equal before the judeo-christian god. lying is recognized as a sin, but people do it all the time and often justify it. no one believes grandma is going to hell or can't be a christian because she tells white lies to her grandchildren.

that said, lying isn't core to grandma's sense of self like same-sex attraction is to lgbtq+. so while grandma would ask to be forgiven for lying, no self-respecting gay guy would seek forgiveness after a lifetime of sex with their partner lol.

so, i would say that christianity and homosexuality are not compatible with each other. but who cares. it's a pretty dumb religion when you think about it for less than a minute.

[Maarten-Victorian]

Actually figuring this out myself. I don't think the two can coexist well together. Especially with most priests believe in heterosexual relationships, anything else is the "devil's work". Well what did you expect from me pastor.

Well I have been brought up Catholic but am also bisexual. I have been brought up to believe same sex relationships are wrong but I have known for 4-5 years I am as attracted to girls as I am to boys and I don't feel I can help that. There's lots to being a good Christian, kindness, being neighbourly, being charitable. My church gets so hung up on sex and sexuality but I am pretty certain most of it comes from the Church rather than being based on Christian teaching. It was a way for the Church to control people's behaviour sexually. I think I am a good Christian, but I am also bisexual.

Firstly, Religions prones tolerance and that god loves everyone
Then, If you are not hurting anyone, and dont force anyone, why would it be wrong ?

[HighVamp913]

Firstly, Religions prones tolerance and that god loves everyone
Then, If you are not hurting anyone, and dont force anyone, why would it be wrong ?

That's what I'm saying. If they are going to call my sexuality a sin and say I am going to hell. They better not sin in any way cause a sin is a sin. NO IF AND OR BUTS

[Maarten-Victorian]

That's what I'm saying. If they are going to call my sexuality a sin and say I am going to hell. They better not sin in any way cause a sin is a sin. NO IF AND OR BUTS

Do you believe in heaven and hell ?

[HighVamp913]

Do you believe in heaven and hell ?

I really don't know what to believe anymore. If I'm going to a so called "hell" for liking girls so be at:mad::)I'm gonna see a lot of the so called "saints" there. Lets see how they do when they realise a sin is a sin:lol:

[Maarten-Victorian]

I really don't know what to believe anymore. If I'm going to a so called "hell" for liking girls so be at:mad::)I'm gonna see a lot of the so called "saints" there. Lets see how they do when they realise a sin is a sin:lol:

I dont think you will go to hell just because you loved someone special (unless it is "your neighbor's wife")

[HighVamp913]

I dont think you will go to hell just because you loved someone special (unless it is "your neighbor's wife")
I agree.
I really just given up in trying to change peoples views. They don't see what i see.

[Gazebo]

I have never understood why homosexuality has been so villainized by numerous Christian sects. You can’t say that God has a plan for everyone, and loves everybody unconditionally, but yet also say that people who simply love someone of their own gender are sinful and hellbound. This is a classic example of man bastardizing and corrupting the Church, making it into an institution used for political gain and not actually to uphold the word of God. What I say is this: God loves everyone no matter what or who they are, and to say otherwise is false. Therefore, anyone can be a Christian if they desire to be, and if the Church wants to fight against this notion then perhaps it isn’t as infallible as it once was.

[HighVamp913]

I have never understood why homosexuality has been so villainized by numerous Christian sects. You can’t say that God has a plan for everyone, and loves everybody unconditionally, but yet also say that people who simply love someone of their own gender are sinful and hellbound. This is a classic example of man bastardizing and corrupting the Church, making it into an institution used for political gain and not actually to uphold the word of God. What I say is this: God loves everyone no matter what or who they are, and to say otherwise is false. Therefore, anyone can be a Christian if they desire to be, and if the Church wants to fight against this notion then perhaps it isn’t as infallible as it once was.

PREACH :worthy: Gazebo

[HeyCameron]

I think homosexuality is an easy target because sex is taboo and nothing gets people's attention like sexual immorality. It's also a scapegoat for other societal problems. The divorce rate among heterosexual marriages continues to rise, more children are raised by a single parent, yet somehow it's homosexuality that's an "attack on the family".

[Maarten-Victorian]

I have never understood why homosexuality has been so villainized by numerous Christian sects. You can’t say that God has a plan for everyone, and loves everybody unconditionally, but yet also say that people who simply love someone of their own gender are sinful and hellbound. This is a classic example of man bastardizing and corrupting the Church, making it into an institution used for political gain and not actually to uphold the word of God. What I say is this: God loves everyone no matter what or who they are, and to say otherwise is false. Therefore, anyone can be a Christian if they desire to be, and if the Church wants to fight against this notion then perhaps it isn’t as infallible as it once was.

AMEN to that ;)